Guild Wars 2

Now, I tried that beta thingy for the people complaining about FoV, and I didn’t like it mostly because of the zoom in and zoom out settings, which I didn’t care much for before, but it was livable.

Now it’s working like I have the enabled. Is there a way to set it back?

It used to be when I was zoomed all the way in, it’s where it is now. When I’d zoom out one click (shortest human), I’d be just under my feet, roughly. Now It’s a bit further.

I really hate stuff like this.

Just remove the line you added to shortcut.

Haishao.6851:

Just remove the line you added to shortcut.

I removed it about 10 minutes after I tried it 2 weeks ago.

Did they add it back in?

See, no switch

Maybe they fully added it in then. I had mine set ever since so I don’t know
They should really add an option for different FoV.

Haishao.6851:

Maybe they fully added it in then. I had mine set ever since so I don’t know
They should really add an option for different FoV.

I’d be happy with a “-noFoV” to put it back to the way it was.

What we should really get is a UI setting in options.

I’m a bit flabbergasted that something like this was just forced on us.

Is there any chance of just getting that added as a UI option from within the game?

Martin Kerstein.3071:

You can use the toggle -useOldFov to use the old FoV.

THANK YOU!

Going to go test it, if this works, donuts for you!

Martin Kerstein.3071:

You can use the toggle -useOldFov to use the old FoV.

Confirmed…thank you!

Donuts

Martin Kerstein.3071:

I can pass that suggestion on.

While you’re at it, how about a UI feature that locks the camera view behind the player char, so that we’re always looking the same direction as our char is. Thanks!

I tried hard to like the new FoV when it was being beta tested the past few weeks and just couldn’t. Glad we can still switch back; hope it remains supported.

Edge.4180:

I tried hard to like the new FoV when it was being beta tested the past few weeks and just couldn’t. Glad we can still switch back; hope it remains supported.

Well that’s 2 of us. I was freaking out because I thought I was the only person. How could that be? 1 person out of all these people that noticed it?

I posted the switch in LA if anyone was interested (Emhry Bay). After I explained what that was for, the few people that talked about it didn’t seem interested.

At any rate, if this was all about zooming, I don’t understand why we just didn’t get a few more ‘notches’ in the zooms? Even at the old setting, I’d honestly still like a setting ‘between’ totally zoomed in and one notch back. Or lots of finer clicks.

There are lots of examples in other games. TSW stands out in my mind. Each click is a very ‘small’ movement, so you can really fine tune where you want that camera. Here, there are only 6 notches out from totally zoomed in. That’s it. Each one takes you out a hefty chunk.

Oh well, I digress. Beggars and choosers and all that. I’m ‘really’ happy to get such a quick solution to the problem!

Yes, the loss of smaller increments when zooming in and out with the mouse wheel is one of the larger things I dislike about the change. As you described in the first post, zooming all the way in and then pulling back one notch is just too drastic of a jump for my tastes.

Edge.4180:

Yes, the loss of smaller increments when zooming in and out with the mouse wheel is one of the larger things I dislike about the change. As you described in the first post, zooming all the way in and then pulling back one notch is just too drastic of a jump for my tastes.

Did you try that -useOldFoV switch? It changes it back.

Ty for this info.
U can also add it to your original post :

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/FOV-Field-of-View-Changes-Beta-Test/first#post551634

Regards

Oh, performance hits. The whole FOV thing makes a little more sense now.

Now THIS is the kind of post I like to see from the developers

Bullfrog.1324:

Now THIS is the kind of post I like to see from the developers

I didn’t understand most of what he said, but totally agree with the level of detail and explanation by this developer is much appreciated. Now, if they can only do something about that other little 10,000 post thread;)

Thanks for the post Jason, i have to ask though.

At some point, will you program in a way to make the vertical character position so the characters aren’t so towards the middle of the screen? – perhaps in a similar way in which we can adjust the horizontal position now.

I ask, as apart from the FOV (which for me is now fine) this is perhaps my biggest issue with the camera, on Asura (my chosen race) we are just to high up in the screen area.

Sadly, that all doesn’t mean too much to me. All I really care about when playing a third person game is being able to have as much control as possible of how close or far the camera is from my character. In your game, there are only 6 click positions back from as far as you can zoom in. All the way in is too close (on the shortest human) for most anything, but useful for some screenshot portraits. The first notch back was fine, though I had suggested many times to wanting more “fine” clicks so each zoom was just a little.

Instead, your change to help the FoV issues (which I understood some people had an issue with, but it never affected me playing about 5 ft from a 46" tv), without adding and more zoom clicks, or fine tuned, smaller zooms, left us with the first click back being just too far.

So I “dearly” hope you never remove the “-useOldFoV” setting, without addressing the need for:

1. Smaller movements in zoom “clicks” of the mouse wheel.
2. As a consequence to 1, far more positions than 6, to ensure the furthest distance everyone wants is covered, and those of us who want to manage finely exactly how close the camera is, can.

Personally, I’d like to see one more click between fully zoomed in and the first zoom out, but ideally I’d like as fine of control as you’d see in something like TSW.

As an Eyefinity user, I love the new FoV on my triple monitor setup. Curious, is there any command like “-useOldFoV” to force the ui/map/cut scenes to render on the center monitor (like it does with nVidia multi-monitor solution)?

I’m confused, did anything pertaining to FOV change with this latest update? I’m currently using the FOV beta. Has the beta become final now? Can I delete my altered shortcut and play with the original now?

Thank you for the detailed explanation. Really cleared things up for me! Please keep on posting in this manner Anet-staff

BroScientist.9875:

I’m confused, did anything pertaining to FOV change with this latest update? I’m currently using the FOV beta. Has the beta become final now? Can I delete my altered shortcut and play with the original now?

I believe this is true, that the default is now what the test switch (from the sticky in tech support) was providing.

For those of us who don’t like the change, whether overall or in conjunction with not having enough fine tuned character zooming options, we can add “-useOldFoV” as our switch.

And cross our fingers that if they ever get rid of it, it coincides with (or comes after) implementing far more finely tuned camera zooming controls and options.

Thankyou for that very detailed info
Just tried it – and it looks glorious +1 to you
Really low spec computer (my integrated graphics wasnt even on the list as being able to run the game) and notice an avg increase in fps .. it was >20 without any fov, <20 with the old fov and now im back up >20 with the new fov . . . good job
EDIT : i’m even getting >40 fps never had that before (ok so i am looking at a wall )
Ps could you fix the invulnerability bug ? pleeeease

BurnWeed.5902:

Thankyou for that very detailed info
Just tried it – and it looks glorious +1 to you
Really low spec computer (my integrated graphics wasnt even on the list as being able to run the game) and notice an avg increase in fps .. it was >20 without any fov, <20 with the old fov and now im back up >20 with the new fov . . . good job
EDIT : i’m even getting >40 fps never had that before (ok so i am looking at a wall )
Ps could you fix the invulnerability bug ? pleeeease

Any performance improvement you’re seeing would be unrelated to the field of view changes. If anything, the FoV change is having a negative impact on your performance (particularly on lower end hardware). The reason being that when you increase the field of view, you’re displaying more of the game-world at any given moment, meaning you’re GPU/CPU is having to render more scenery, process more animations, etc.

I think they’re always tinkering with performance, so any gains would likely come from that (or that less happened to be going on around you during your tests).

Edge.4180:

Yes, the loss of smaller increments when zooming in and out with the mouse wheel is one of the larger things I dislike about the change. As you described in the first post, zooming all the way in and then pulling back one notch is just too drastic of a jump for my tastes.

Simply This

I’m one of those who suffer from the new change as well, as the new FOV simply makes me dizzy.. The characters are now either too close, or too far.. Full Zoomed in, your character looks terrible.. You zoom out once, your character becomes an Asura! I believe an “in-between” will save the situation, if that’s of course possible..

I know i’m probably one of the minority in this, but it would’ve been a shame to simply been forced to quit the game simply due to a FOV change, which renders it unplayable for me.. It’s simply absurd considering how much i’ve spent on it..

Performance wise, i see no changes whatsoever..

I do hope the -useOldFOV will stay there and eventually become an option in the UI as people suggest in this thread, or see more zooming options in the very near future..

Hi. Why is there a need for
-useOldFov
when we can just remove
-testVerticalFov
from the shortcut as stated on this page:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/FOV-Field-of-View-Changes-Beta-Test
?
Thanks.

notebene.3190:

Edge.4180:

I tried hard to like the new FoV when it was being beta tested the past few weeks and just couldn’t. Glad we can still switch back; hope it remains supported.

Well that’s 2 of us. I was freaking out because I thought I was the only person. How could that be? 1 person out of all these people that noticed it?

I posted the switch in LA if anyone was interested (Emhry Bay). After I explained what that was for, the few people that talked about it didn’t seem interested.

At any rate, if this was all about zooming, I don’t understand why we just didn’t get a few more ‘notches’ in the zooms? Even at the old setting, I’d honestly still like a setting ‘between’ totally zoomed in and one notch back. Or lots of finer clicks.

There are lots of examples in other games. TSW stands out in my mind. Each click is a very ‘small’ movement, so you can really fine tune where you want that camera. Here, there are only 6 notches out from totally zoomed in. That’s it. Each one takes you out a hefty chunk.

Oh well, I digress. Beggars and choosers and all that. I’m ‘really’ happy to get such a quick solution to the problem!

FoV has nothing to do with zooming.

pooiyx.7860:

Hi. Why is there a need for
-useOldFov
when we can just remove
-testVerticalFov
from the shortcut as stated on this page:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/FOV-Field-of-View-Changes-Beta-Test
?
Thanks.

Vertical FOV is the default now. You’d use the -UseOldFov now if you wanted the old FOV back due to performance issues.

pooiyx.7860:

Hi. Why is there a need for
-useOldFov
when we can just remove
-testVerticalFov
from the shortcut as stated on this page:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/FOV-Field-of-View-Changes-Beta-Test
?
Thanks.

Here’s what changed (and I noticed this immediately):

Before Patch
Pre-Patch FoV: gw2.exe
Beta FoV: gw2.exe -testVerticalFoV

After Patch
New FoV: gw2.exe
Return to Pre-Patch FoV: gw2.exe -useOldFoV

They changed the default to the ‘new’ FoV, which was in test before. So now, you don’t need the -testVerticalFoV to experience the new FoV changes. Having it there does nothing.

However, for those of us who either don’t like the new FoV (or in my case, don’t really ‘care’ one way or the other about the FoV changes, but have lost ‘more’ of the ability to make ‘small’ camera zoom movements, which were lacking to begin with, having only 6 positions, and those positions just got stretched out with the new changes), ‘must’ put the -useOldFoV switch on the end to put it back to the way it was.

Which works brilliantly, and I appreciate the few CMs who came out as quickly as they did to tell us the work around. And of course, the developer who took the time to post ‘why’ they decided to make the change, and hopefully he walked away with some of the other issues that are affected by that change.

Crossing my fingers that it stays and/or we get much smaller incremental camera moves (as well as someone else’s desire to see the ability to raise and lower the camera, that would also be great, but I’d honestly just be happy with more finely tuned zooming).

VOLKON.1290:

pooiyx.7860:

Hi. Why is there a need for
-useOldFov
when we can just remove
-testVerticalFov
from the shortcut as stated on this page:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/FOV-Field-of-View-Changes-Beta-Test
?
Thanks.

Vertical FOV is the default now. You’d use the -UseOldFov now if you wanted the old FOV back due to performance issues.

Or we just don’t like it, for whatever reason.

Jason, thank you for taking the time to write this out.

I really appreciate this type of communication from the devs, and it is lightyears better than the original Anet explanation about FoV. I hope you guys keep it up!

I still want to know when they plan on fixing the camera and it’s freak out everytime and object is near me. I see a ton of posts about FoV, but to be blunt, it’s the camera jankiness that annoys me more than anything else in the game.

Can we now zoom to 1st person view now? God how I hate that I cant do this now and everything is blocked. Can we also have an option to target ourselves?

Cool to see that level of detail from a programmer. I’ll have to read it a few times to figure it out lol

Can we now zoom to 1st person view now? God how I hate that I cant do this now and everything is blocked. Can we also have an option to target ourselves?

First Person View. Yes, please.

A personal shoutout from a dev; nifty!

Anyway, a couple of days after I posted that thread I did manually compute the diagonal FOV from the horizontal and vertical estimates from my program. (No need to change the program.) I can confirm that I got 74 point something which is reasonably close given the approximations involved. I’d never heard of anyone actually measuring FOV diagonally, though, so I figured a simple bug was the more likely explanation. The move to Hor+ style scaling is welcome news.