Pay to play each map?? Really??
1 2
Even though I already have S3 unlocked I would LOVE to see them open up those zones to everyone at some point after they have been in the game (maybe when S4 releases say). If you want to do the story you still will have to pay but it will keep the zones active and some of the people that it brings it will buy the story because they like the zone. Meanwhile people who previously unlocked it will have gotten their enjoyment from it and moved on to the current content.
Saying it is part of HOT is a cop-out. LS stuff should be treated like silverwastes and drytop and made core regions as far as access.
Oh so i should have been able to play sylverwastes and drytop without buying the base game when it was still p2p. Thats what you are saying no?
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
Meanwhile ff14 is an mmo with a sub fee and a cashshop. Also Morrowind says hi to your least content expac arguement.
EDIT: Why shouldnt gw2 do it? Lock content/ story behind paywalls? WoW does it Ff14 does it Eso doe it.
People should take the 5 or so minutes to log into the game periodically and claim the LS while it’s free. It’s not that difficult, and if you can’t be bothered with taking 5 mins (regardless of excuse) to do so then literally pay for it later. GW2 is on all social media so there is no excuse if you own the game not to do so before time runs out, they do give notice.
Noble Dragons (NOBL) rocking GW’s since 2005 now rocking the Sorrow’s Furnace Server!
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
I would be surprised if micro transactions cover every expense, especially given that since HoT we have had a steady and constant stream of content and that looks to be continuing. I’m not a big fan of the LS model as I find it inhibits recommending to friends who would mostly only play for story, but I’m also uncertain of a better solution, given that fully free is not one of those and you can buy with in game currency (gold-gems).
As for the size of HoT, yes content wise it was smaller than hoped, but it nowhere near comes close to bottom of the pile. I’ve seen vastly smaller ones in other MMO’s like Lotro and some Funcom games. Sure it doesn’t match the big ones I imagine WoW, FF14 and prob TESO put out, but it did have a strong replay value, given 2 years on those maps are well sustained.
If you want to do the story you still will have to pay but it will keep the zones active and some of the people that it brings it will buy the story because they like the zone. Meanwhile people who previously unlocked it will have gotten their enjoyment from it and moved on to the current content.
With the exceptions of Bitterfrost Frontier and Lake Doric all the other maps do not have any kind of zone border with existing zones. How exactly are they gonna give access to those zones without having access to the story that leads you there?
And please don’t say “teleport to a friend”
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
I would be surprised if micro transactions cover every expense, especially given that since HoT we have had a steady and constant stream of content and that looks to be continuing. I’m not a big fan of the LS model as I find it inhibits recommending to friends who would mostly only play for story, but I’m also uncertain of a better solution, given that fully free is not one of those and you can buy with in game currency (gold-gems).
As for the size of HoT, yes content wise it was smaller than hoped, but it nowhere near comes close to bottom of the pile. I’ve seen vastly smaller ones in other MMO’s like Lotro and some Funcom games. Sure it doesn’t match the big ones I imagine WoW, FF14 and prob TESO put out, but it did have a strong replay value, given 2 years on those maps are well sustained.
Hot was as big uf not bigger than Morrowind.
Even though I already have S3 unlocked I would LOVE to see them open up those zones to everyone at some point after they have been in the game (maybe when S4 releases say). If you want to do the story you still will have to pay but it will keep the zones active and some of the people that it brings it will buy the story because they like the zone. Meanwhile people who previously unlocked it will have gotten their enjoyment from it and moved on to the current content.
Saying it is part of HOT is a cop-out. LS stuff should be treated like silverwastes and drytop and made core regions as far as access.
Oh so i should have been able to play sylverwastes and drytop without buying the base game when it was still p2p. Thats what you are saying no?
Actually, I started playing late in S3 and only later went back to buy the first episodes. Even though the episodes that introduced drytop were not unlocked for me I still was able to roam around it (and SW before I went there in the story).
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
I would be surprised if micro transactions cover every expense, especially given that since HoT we have had a steady and constant stream of content and that looks to be continuing. I’m not a big fan of the LS model as I find it inhibits recommending to friends who would mostly only play for story, but I’m also uncertain of a better solution, given that fully free is not one of those and you can buy with in game currency (gold-gems).
As for the size of HoT, yes content wise it was smaller than hoped, but it nowhere near comes close to bottom of the pile. I’ve seen vastly smaller ones in other MMO’s like Lotro and some Funcom games. Sure it doesn’t match the big ones I imagine WoW, FF14 and prob TESO put out, but it did have a strong replay value, given 2 years on those maps are well sustained.
Hot was as big uf not bigger than Morrowind.
Noted. I was never 100% on ESO expac sizes having not really seen them – I just didn’t have the time to invest in the game despite liking the franchise
If you want to do the story you still will have to pay but it will keep the zones active and some of the people that it brings it will buy the story because they like the zone. Meanwhile people who previously unlocked it will have gotten their enjoyment from it and moved on to the current content.
With the exceptions of Bitterfrost Frontier and Lake Doric all the other maps do not have any kind of zone border with existing zones. How exactly are they gonna give access to those zones without having access to the story that leads you there?
And please don’t say “teleport to a friend”
Some of them are reachable via rata novus. You can also sell their teleport scrolls on the marketplace for less than the cost of the season.
Some of them are reachable via rata novus. You can also sell their teleport scrolls on the marketplace for less than the cost of the season.
Instanced Rata Novus (part of the story) not -actual- Rata Novus.
As for the teleport scrolls I think the problem as seen in this thread and others is the extra gem cost of the episodes, so if those scrolls also have a gem cost, it wouldn’t help.
They could probably make the episodes cheaper the older they get. At some point, the content has been payed for, and charging the same money for them as on day one doesn’t look attractive. GW2 doesn’t cost as much as when released either.
Herleve – Ruins of Surmia
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
Meanwhile ff14 is an mmo with a sub fee and a cashshop. Also Morrowind says hi to your least content expac arguement.
EDIT: Why shouldnt gw2 do it? Lock content/ story behind paywalls? WoW does it Ff14 does it Eso doe it.
Discluding expansions (Which we are talking about content outside of expans), FF14 didn’t lock any content behind a paywall as far as I’m aware, could be wrong. And I know for a fact WoW doesn’t.
ESO I played for about a week, so I can’t say anything. Also, of course Morrowind was crap. Did everyone forget about ESO’s launch, or what? The company is sleazy.
Also, it’s a fact that Microtransactions make more money than subs. Hence why so many more companies are going that route. Just look around, and see all the cash bought items. How many unbound tools alone I see. How much are those? Around $40 USD? That alone is an expansion price.
Let alone all the outfits, bag slots, character slots, dyes, minis, makeup kits, etc that people dump loads on.
I’m not saying its wrong, just saying. They aren’t exactly poor.
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
Nope, games with subs are making bank. This game, a whole $90 per person. Not bank, even with the cash shop.
$15 a month for 4 million players means WoW is making 60 million dollars a month. That’s making bank.
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
Nope, games with subs are making bank. This game, a whole $90 per person. Not bank, even with the cash shop.
$15 a month for 4 million players means WoW is making 60 million dollars a month. That’s making bank.
You think more and more MMO’s are going towards F2P because….it makes them less money?
Also WoW is the most popular MMO to date. It can do whatever it wants, and make a ton of money.
(edited by Fractured.3928)
Honestly I kinda agree with OP. Maps and story shouldn’t be locked behind a paywall like that. Even more so, that they are locked behind ANOTHER paywall (HoT).
Arenanet is making bank off of microtransactions too, so the whole “They need money to make content”. They are making plenty of money, they just want to make more. Not only that, but for a full priced Expansion, HoT probably had the least content out of any MMO expansion I’ve seen, by a lot.
However, since if you’re actively playing when the story releases, it is free. I can’t really get up on a soap box and complain about it.
Meanwhile ff14 is an mmo with a sub fee and a cashshop. Also Morrowind says hi to your least content expac arguement.
EDIT: Why shouldnt gw2 do it? Lock content/ story behind paywalls? WoW does it Ff14 does it Eso doe it.
Discluding expansions (Which we are talking about content outside of expans), FF14 didn’t lock any content behind a paywall as far as I’m aware, could be wrong. And I know for a fact WoW doesn’t.
ESO I played for about a week, so I can’t say anything. Also, of course Morrowind was crap. Did everyone forget about ESO’s launch, or what? The company is sleazy.
Also, it’s a fact that Microtransactions make more money than subs. Hence why so many more companies are going that route. Just look around, and see all the cash bought items. How many unbound tools alone I see. How much are those? Around $40 USD? That alone is an expansion price.
Let alone all the outfits, bag slots, character slots, dyes, minis, makeup kits, etc that people dump loads on.
I’m not saying its wrong, just saying. They aren’t exactly poor.
Mircotransactions dont always make more money. Also, how isnt wow content locked behind a pay wall? I bouth legion 2 months ago and now im trying to log in and play the new stuff but it wont let me. Say i need to renew my subscription.
IMO every1 should pay for lws1,2 and3. More money to anet, More content faster ^^
The idea is that people come back to play the episode. They want to keep people active because that’s where they make most of their money, through the gem store. Season 3 started too late to catch the launch wave, so season 4 will be a retry. If numbers don’t improve, I wouldn’t be surprised if do make it paid content, by packaging it as an expansion.
The Living Story is DLC, just under a different name. And just like DLC in any game you have to buy it if you want to play it.
I can see the sense in Anet offering some kind of bundle where you can buy HoT+PoF+LS 2&3 all together, but it’s highly unlikely they’re going to just give it away to everyone. I think we’re lucky they make it free for the first few months, I don’t know of any other game that does that.
I don’t frankly understand why Anet didn’t include S2 &3 into bundles with the expansions. Why aren’t they promoting the living story content outside the game? It’s good content and it should be out there on offer and not just in the game.
I really think Anet should offer another couple of bundles, one for HoT with both S2 & S3, (giving appropriately reduced price for those players who already own any of the chapters to date) and another bundle with the lot, as well as the current ones they have on offer. I think that would give people a lot more choices and also clarity what content is available for purchase. Those who choose not to get those bundles can always get S2 & S3 in game as they currently can, but they would at least be aware that content exists and they have an option to purchase it.
As it stands, I doubt many new players would even know that S2 & S3 exists until they enter the game or even what those are and when they find out in game, this is the kind of threads we get. Even with those bundles, they still may not know exactly what S2 &3 means, but that would at least prompt them to check it online and get an idea.
In fact, I think it would be a good marketing for the game imo to show new comers and those returning players absent from the game for a long time, that there’s a lot more content in the game than just the 2 expansions. Not sure if it’s too late to include these bundles now before PoF launches but I don’t see why the can’t add them a bit later, but the sooner the better. I’m sure PoF in it’s early days will still be a popular purchase and they could add that in soon after launch. If not, then maybe with the announcement of Season 4 would be a good time, not as good as above, but still pretty good I would wager.
1 2