Guild Wars 2

I’ve been reading this forum for a couple days now and I have noticed when a person wants to voice his opinion on the game, he gets told that he didn’t read about the game before purchasing it therefore its his fault for not liking it. Here is a quote that caught my eye on a topic that was posted recently -

But you know what? That’s your own fault. Not ArenaNet’s. Not NCSoft’s. Yours. It’s your fault for ignoring the advertising and publicity that was so lovingly crafted to showcase this game.

What I don’t get is how its the buyers fault for not reading up about the game before buying it. Have you ever considered the amount of people who have bought this game without any knowledge about it? Somebody might of wanted to keep it as a surprise (like me) or some people could of wandered into a shop and seen it on a shelf and thought “This game looks good, I’m going to buy this” .. the answer is no, no you didn’t. Just because some haven’t read up on a game doesn’t mean they cant voice their opinion about it.

They are allowed to voice their opinions, but it is incredibly stupid to argue that a game you admittedly knew almost nothing about did not meet your expectations. Complaining that “I thought game was going to be X” is pointless because you could easily have found out if the game had X before you purchased it. It is your responsibility as a consumer to make informed purchases.

Generally when you see that someone says they have a problem with XYZ being missing or not meeting their expectations, but XYZ was never intended to be included or function the way they indicate.

So while they can voice their opinion it is on them as they didn’t bother to understand the design intent of the game.

Buyer beware, uninformed buyer be warned.

I agree they can voice their opinion, but come on. Buyer beware if you purchase something with no knowledge of it and don’t like it, who can you really blame.

As a consumer it is your job to research a product before you buy it.

If you’re buying something blind then there is nobody to blame but yourself if you dislike the product.

Let’s be honest though, informing yourself of a product before you buy it…is sort of, well, common sense, isn’t it? What if I went out and purchased a standard Xbox 360 and complained when I found out it didn’t have gameplay similar to a Wii? Would I have a credible complaint?

The game is great overall. There are things I’d def like change like more robust loot and harder bosses better AI etc but I can post about that in a constructive way and most people will respond in a constructive way. Even if you aren’t completely satisfied with the game if you have 50+ hours in it you got more than your moneys worth. The game is mostly what it was advertised to be. You can’t force someone to adopt your vision for the game.

I think the key-word here is complaining versus voicing and opinion. You have the right to say what think of the game which would be you voicing your opinion, however if you start to compare the game to illusionary expectation then you are complaining.

I understand that you didn’t want to see any spoilers about the game but that doesn’t stop you from reading the basic game features, so I have to side with the others even though many of them are too harsh.

I do not think a person has the right to complain about imaginary expectation they placed in a game just because they never bothered to look it up, the information is not hidden and anyone would get a feel for it just by watching/reading a review or an interview.

A simple analogy would be buying red colored car from ebay and automatically assuming it was white colored because he did not look at the picture or read its specs, then complaining because it wasn’t white.

The fact is that in life anything you buy without knowledge is a risk, whether you take that risk or not its your personal choice.
If it was something of a high monetary value like a house or a car people would scrutinize every detail of it before committing to it because they had a lot to lose, but since its just a game they do not care much enough to research it but in the end they complain nonetheless.

Actually, I did watch the videos, closed beta stuff, read reviews etc.

And what got delivered is ALMOST what was promised. It’s the parts that didn’t quite make it that sold me on this game.

No grind.
Awesome crafting.
Easy travel with a minimal cost.
Player skill required but not a true twitchfest.
Truly skill dependent pvp.
No !‘s over npc’s heads to get quests.
No mindless “kill x, to get y of z” style quests.
An epic personal story.
Truly dynamic world.

Each of these things, as delivered, is almost true.

There’s no grind for gear while you level. Gear that’s “good enough” forms out of thin air. After you reach the cap: be prepared to invest enough hours to get a college degree in gearing up your character.

Crafting is an xp reward you get for gathering while you explore. The crafted items are completely useless until 400.

Travel is easy, but what happened to minimal cost? Travel costs are HORRIFIC money sinks. It’s a totally unsatisfying experience, and may be the thing I hate the most about the difference between what was advertised and what was delivered.

Player skill, not just “I’m swinging a sword, I’m swinging a sword”… really? I’m swinging a sword then hitting my dodge button endlessly. I wanted actual tactics, puzzles, riddles, fights, true skill. In the outside world, non-existent. In dungeons it’s a little better, but they’re so poorly tuned, and it’s so hard to know what the player skill interactions actually DO that it essentially stays a button mashing festival.

sPvP actually seems pretty balanced, although poor camera control and horrid attack/evade animations and the overall zerg-to-win mentality of the randomly constructed teams just makes it… meh. I have no desire to even try after about 50 instances. wvwvw is… pitiful. More zerg to win. No chance at stealth raids, assasination, actual battle lines, guerilla warfare… nothing that makes me feel like I’m actually contributing. Be a warm body in a zerg. That’s your contribution.

There are no quests AT ALL in this game, and that’s a problem. So yes, they got rid of the !, but they also got rid of any sense of accomplishment of short term goals that some (very few, but some) of those ! quests supplied. And it’s still “kill x, to get y of z”. It’s this exactly. Or “go pick up x of y and give them to z”. Or “escort x to y”. It’s not even a good copy of the system. It’s even worse because at least if I’m kill buzzards to get gizzards in some other game, I know how many I have to get to get the freaking quest OVER WITH. Here it’s just a bar, slowly filling itself for a while. Then it’s done.

Epic personal story, where you (after being the “hero” for 60 levels) start playing second fiddle to a talking turnip.

Dynamic world. I’ve seen NOTHING change in this game in any of the zones I’ve played in. 50% map coverage and everywhere I go, everything is exactly the same as it was the first time I saw it. Dynamic mykitten And this was the BIGGEST thing I was looking forward to. I mean, I can actually CHANGE the game world through my actions? How freaking awesome is that!!!!

Fail.

So tl;dr: I did “study” and didn’t get what I was lead to believe I was paying for.

Having said that, I’m not rage-quitting or anything. I’m going to be patient and let them polish this because I still think they truly wanted to deliver all these things, they just didn’t know how until they had enough people in the game to tune it.

So we’ll see how it works out.

I always research before i buy anything. Depending on the product I will research for weeks to see if it will meet my expectations. People should stop being lazy. Okay you walk into a store, maybe a game store, and you see Guild Wars 2. Ask the store clerk about it (Yeah bad idea, they normally don’t know anything), check on your smart-phone (almost everyone has one), or go back home and look it up (youtube has had masses of gameplays).

When it comes down too it, if a game doesn’t reach a persons expectations for any reason it is their fault. They could have passed on a purchase if they did a little work.

The issue isn’t about criticism, it is about demanding this game should be a clone of another game instead of its own design.

Some of us like different games to be different. Is GW2 perfect? Nope. Does that mean it should contain the same formula for advancement (gear grind, farming and mindless raids)? No.

Craven.5468:

The issue isn’t about criticism, it is about demanding this game should be a clone of another game instead of its own design.

Some of us like different games to be different. Is GW2 perfect? Nope. Does that mean it should contain the same formula for advancement (gear grind, farming and mindless raids)? No.

The problem is that it has no formula for advancement at all.

Elydian.1763:

Apparently this is a special ‘right’ Guild Wars 2 has over other games: to be immune to criticism, because it’s just “not the game for you”.

There’s a difference between constructive criticism and whining that the game doesn’t fit your pre-conceived expectations. 90% of people are just complaining for the sake of complaining. Very few can give legitimate reasons as to why they are complaining, and even fewer can debate their position on the game without spouting off the same circular logic every post.

Elydian.1763:

Craven.5468:

The issue isn’t about criticism, it is about demanding this game should be a clone of another game instead of its own design.

Some of us like different games to be different. Is GW2 perfect? Nope. Does that mean it should contain the same formula for advancement (gear grind, farming and mindless raids)? No.

The problem is that it has no formula for advancement at all.

1-80 is your advancement. 80 is not when the game starts—that is how WoW works. This is precisely my point.

PixelPredator.6987:

What I don’t get is how its the buyers fault for not reading up about the game before buying it. Have you ever considered the amount of people who have bought this game without any knowledge about it? Somebody might of wanted to keep it as a surprise (like me) or some people could of wandered into a shop and seen it on a shelf and thought “This game looks good, I’m going to buy this” .. the answer is no, no you didn’t. Just because some haven’t read up on a game doesn’t mean they cant voice their opinion about it.

This is like going to a shoe store to complain that the pair of shoes you bought there is not a shower. If you choose to ignore what you’re buying, the company is not to blame for it.

OP,
Are you suggesting that most people will throw upwards of $50 at just anything? Who doesn’t do at least a cursory look-over of something they’re buying? I’d hate to think there’s support fot that kind of oblivious consumerism out there.

MSevenR.4081:

There’s a difference between constructive criticism and whining that the game doesn’t fit your pre-conceived expectations. 90% of people are just complaining for the sake of complaining. Very few can give legitimate reasons as to why they are complaining, and even fewer can debate their position on the game without spouting off the same circular logic every post.

I’ve been reading these forums a lot over the last few days and a lot of the criticisms are not like that at all; they’re well written and do have very good reason. There are many similar threads on similar subjects, but I feel that’s a good thing. There are grave problems with endgame and it needs to be visible to ArenaNet that a lot of people are not happy about it.

Eochaidh.4106:

PixelPredator.6987:

What I don’t get is how its the buyers fault for not reading up about the game before buying it. Have you ever considered the amount of people who have bought this game without any knowledge about it? Somebody might of wanted to keep it as a surprise (like me) or some people could of wandered into a shop and seen it on a shelf and thought “This game looks good, I’m going to buy this” .. the answer is no, no you didn’t. Just because some haven’t read up on a game doesn’t mean they cant voice their opinion about it.

This is like going to a shoe store to complain that the pair of shoes you bought there is not a shower. If you choose to ignore what you’re buying, the company is not to blame for it.

I played GW right up to the release of GW2, I wanted GW2 to be totally new and exciting so read next to nothing about it so that I’d be completely in the dark when I started. I know others did too.

Eochaidh.4106:

PixelPredator.6987:

What I don’t get is how its the buyers fault for not reading up about the game before buying it. Have you ever considered the amount of people who have bought this game without any knowledge about it? Somebody might of wanted to keep it as a surprise (like me) or some people could of wandered into a shop and seen it on a shelf and thought “This game looks good, I’m going to buy this” .. the answer is no, no you didn’t. Just because some haven’t read up on a game doesn’t mean they cant voice their opinion about it.

This is like going to a shoe store to complain that the pair of shoes you bought there is not a shower. If you choose to ignore what you’re buying, the company is not to blame for it.

That is a stupid example. Their is a difference between buying something that you don’t know what its like and buying something and not knowing that the heck it even is.

Really, OP? So I should be able to go to Best Buy, pick any game off the shelf, then be angry and demand satisfaction because the game isn’t Madden 2013? I should be able to get everything I’ve ever wanted out of a game, without having to see if the game has what I want?

What a horrible mindset.

PixelPredator.6987:

I’ve been reading this forum for a couple days now and I have noticed when a person wants to voice his opinion on the game, he gets told that he didn’t read about the game before purchasing it therefore its his fault for not liking it. Here is a quote that caught my eye on a topic that was posted recently -

But you know what? That’s your own fault. Not ArenaNet’s. Not NCSoft’s. Yours. It’s your fault for ignoring the advertising and publicity that was so lovingly crafted to showcase this game.

What I don’t get is how its the buyers fault for not reading up about the game before buying it. Have you ever considered the amount of people who have bought this game without any knowledge about it? Somebody might of wanted to keep it as a surprise (like me) or some people could of wandered into a shop and seen it on a shelf and thought “This game looks good, I’m going to buy this” .. the answer is no, no you didn’t. Just because some haven’t read up on a game doesn’t mean they cant voice their opinion about it.

I rememthat that answer.. but what was the thing the OP said? Some people come here to say : “I want to raid/In WoW you can xxxx”… thats absurd. This game is not Wow. If people come here to Transform the game in something “More wow”… they will get that answer.

But you know? You have a GOLDEN oportunity here… this game have a Suggestion Forums. I don’t remember any game with that. And Arenanet listen. Why you just prepare a list of thing you want to “improve” to make this game much betten than it is.

A perfect example of what i’m saying:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Lack-of-end-game

Already more than 100 post with that title..

“In other MMO’s you have dungeons that drop meaningful gear upgrades – progression
You also have raids – which you need the dungeon gear to get into – meaningful progression.”

Edited by moderator: I deleted the quotes since the original message is not longer existing

So you’re telling me you have never been into the town and bought something without reading up about it? You are implying that everybody who buys a product without reading up about it is a idiot, which is everyone.

Craven.5468:

The game will persist, with or without you; plenty long enough for me to get my $55 worth. In fact, it already has. I could quit playing today and be happy, as it was entertainment money well spent.

Are you somehow paying a subscription for this game?

No, but as a persistent world MMO, I expect it to persist. That is, I expect the world to continue to matter when I’m logged off. With no long term playability it ceases to matter. If I wanted to play a game like that I would have played a cooperative game.

The MMO genre symbolises more than that, subscription or not. Lifting the burden of a subscription is not an excuse to make a shallow game. Many people would rather pay ArenaNet a subscription if it meant that the game could add a deeper experience with continuing progression.

The understanding, and shall we say, unspoken agreement between ArenaNet and the players, was that Guild Wars 2 would cast off the shackles of the original Guild Wars and be a fully persistent world MMO, where a cash shop would be used to replace the income of a subscription, enabling them to create a lastable experience.

Elydian.1763:

MSevenR.4081:

There’s a difference between constructive criticism and whining that the game doesn’t fit your pre-conceived expectations. 90% of people are just complaining for the sake of complaining. Very few can give legitimate reasons as to why they are complaining, and even fewer can debate their position on the game without spouting off the same circular logic every post.

I’ve been reading these forums a lot over the last few days and a lot of the criticisms are not like that at all; they’re well written and do have very good reason. There are many similar threads on similar subjects, but I feel that’s a good thing. There are grave problems with endgame and it needs to be visible to ArenaNet that a lot of people are not happy about it.

Most, if not all of the criticisms are that GW2 is not like the other MMOs on the market. I don’t know what you’ve been reading but that’s all I’ve been reading.

Wahh I don’t want to grind.
Wahh there’s no endgame.
Wahh I played for 4 weeks non stop did everything now I’m bored.

Everyone has this predisposition in their minds that to obtain anything they have to do it now, or it will somehow forever be out of their reach. The only thing I’ve ever had to grind in this game so far is crafting mats, and even then it was only in stretches of 30 minutes to an hour.

You’re right there’s no endgame. The whole game is the endgame. So what if there isn’t stat progression. The game was’t made for that type of play. You can make an 80 as soon as you get a character to level 2 which takes all of 15-20 minutes. Name me another game that lets you do that.

If you’ve done everything in this game by now then I’m sorry you played it wrong in my opinion. Do people buy cars to drive them as fast as they can wherever they go to see if they can get it out of warranty faster than Joe Bob that bought his the same time? No! It’s a waste! There’s no time to drive around with the windows down and enjoy the road.

I’ve said it many times already. People need to stop rushing and just play. GW is not like other MMOs. Well it can be, but people will complain that it is, which leads to topics like you’re talking about. Once people sit back and realize that you shouldn’t play this like other MMOs, then and only then will they start enjoying the game for what it’s worth.

Derpinator.2894:

Player skill, not just “I’m swinging a sword, I’m swinging a sword”… really? I’m swinging a sword then hitting my dodge button endlessly. I wanted actual tactics, puzzles, riddles, fights, true skill. In the outside world, non-existent. In dungeons it’s a little better, but they’re so poorly tuned, and it’s so hard to know what the player skill interactions actually DO that it essentially stays a button mashing festival.

This has not been my experience with combat, as I am generally using my abilities when appropriate to get the maximum effect with minimal risk/damage. Sure I dodge when I have to but as a properly played Warrior I have tons of ways to avoid damage. So I would say your personal experience is the problem not the game (not to indicate your a bad player, you just have yet to experience combat as they intended).

There are no quests AT ALL in this game, and that’s a problem. So yes, they got rid of the !, but they also got rid of any sense of accomplishment of short term goals that some (very few, but some) of those ! quests supplied. And it’s still “kill x, to get y of z”. It’s this exactly. Or “go pick up x of y and give them to z”. Or “escort x to y”. It’s not even a good copy of the system. It’s even worse because at least if I’m kill buzzards to get gizzards in some other game, I know how many I have to get to get the freaking quest OVER WITH. Here it’s just a bar, slowly filling itself for a while. Then it’s done.

The beauty of the Renown Hearts is that they can be accomplished anywhere from 3-5 ways. This mean freedom in questing. The story quest does tend to have your standard kill X, fetch Y, or escort/defend quest structure but that is to allow familiarity to give way to feeling like you are playing your story. I can see if you were looking for more, but honestly I look at it the same way as the guy who invented !? questing, is evolution not revolution and I say bring it on and continue to evolve.

Dynamic world. I’ve seen NOTHING change in this game in any of the zones I’ve played in. 50% map coverage and everywhere I go, everything is exactly the same as it was the first time I saw it. Dynamic mykitten And this was the BIGGEST thing I was looking forward to. I mean, I can actually CHANGE the game world through my actions? How freaking awesome is that!!!!

This will be fixed by player population. Right now there are too many people in the zones, so anything that starts a chain DE gets done at the first step so there is never the follow up. I would say they can also tune these so there is a greater chance for failure, or add more chains where victory not defeat leads to something.

I’ll also note I actually did find a DE that changed the zone.

Dreadnaught Clefts, there is a outpost that gets attacked by a Champion level Jotun that unless killed, will kill all the NPC’s in the area. This is a problem as it is the only central location for repairs and has a nice centrally located Waypoint.

In the same zone there is a DE right at the entrance from Hoelbrek with a veteran mob that if defeated will run to a Svanir encampment and start a DE with a veteran Shaman there. I don’t know what happens after that one, as I have never failed to kill him.

Paul.4081:

Eochaidh.4106:

PixelPredator.6987:

What I don’t get is how its the buyers fault for not reading up about the game before buying it. Have you ever considered the amount of people who have bought this game without any knowledge about it? Somebody might of wanted to keep it as a surprise (like me) or some people could of wandered into a shop and seen it on a shelf and thought “This game looks good, I’m going to buy this” .. the answer is no, no you didn’t. Just because some haven’t read up on a game doesn’t mean they cant voice their opinion about it.

This is like going to a shoe store to complain that the pair of shoes you bought there is not a shower. If you choose to ignore what you’re buying, the company is not to blame for it.

I played GW right up to the release of GW2, I wanted GW2 to be totally new and exciting so read next to nothing about it so that I’d be completely in the dark when I started. I know others did too.

Same position here………………….only I’m back to playing GW1 now as GW2 just doesn’t hold my interest

That’s only a personal view – and I’m glad others love it. But it’s not the game for me – I was hoping GW2 would build on what was fun in GW1 – but other than the title and the races available, it has little in common with the original.

I find it perfectly fine to criticise GW2 – it does have failings, although I find many of those to be highly subjective.

However, to criticise a game for including (or lacking) features whose existence (or lack thereof) in the game has long been advertised…well. That indeed IS the criticisers’ problem. No one forces you to read up on the features of any given product before buying – but if you are careful about what you spend your money on, it appears sensible to make informed purchases. If not, well, you probably wouldn’t get so angry if a product didn’t meet your expectations

Concerning invested money, GW2 can be treated much like any offline game – either you like it, good, continue playing; or you don’t like it. In that case, well, put it away and play something else. Maybe try to re-sell it, although I believe that can be quite difficult with online games. Or give it to a friend – maybe he/she will enjoy it more than you did.

Edited to add: I must admit, when I first encountered the famous DEs, I was a little disappointed, too. If broken down to the basics, they use exactly the same mechanics we have known for years – and there is basically just a rotation of probably 5 mechanics at most. However, I have since come to appreciate the underlying mechanic: Wherever you go, there is always something going on. And it won’t always be the same, or end the same way!
Of course, if you keep “farming” the same areas over and over again, this is bound to get old. This, however, is a player decision, as the world really is quite big.

Strongly disagree. I’ll tell you why.

We live now in an age where the tools are widely available to make informed purchases or decisions on some things. We have the internet, we have smart phones…there is just no reason any logical or sensible human being shouldn’t have any knowledge or idea of what they are spending their hard earned money on.

If you bought something and were displeased even though there were plenty of means to find that it wasn’t going to be your cup of tea after the fact…it is most certainly your bad.

GW2 is not immune to criticism or opinion. The fans try to direct bluntly negative opinions into constructive means, and for this they are derided. Feeling jilted because the game does not meet your expectations (buyer beware) does not mean it’s time to endlessly complain that it didn’t work out the way you wanted it to. Then demand that things need to change. When the COMMUNITY speaks up in it’s defense they are derided again.

Just ask for a refund if it’s all that bad.

PixelPredator.6987:

What I don’t get is how its the buyers fault for not reading up about the game before buying it. Have you ever considered the amount of people who have bought this game without any knowledge about it?

No. I don’t think we should consider those people. It’s so easy to be informed. And kind of silly to just buy something on a whim (especially if you’re going to complain about it after).

Although I agree that people have a right to complain, and that these forums are a useful tool for communicating those concerns to ArenaNet, your argument is extremely flawed (OP).

It is absolutely a customers responsibility to research a product before making the purchase. Ignorant consumerism is a choice.

If you want to purchase something with no knowledge of the game, when the company released many statements/articles etc regarding the game, that is your choice. At that point, you cannot get mad at the company for not telling you what you were getting into.

As for all of the people telling others ‘this isn’t the game for you.’ or ‘you should have read up on this beforehand.’ Well, they are saying that because the points being complained about are not bugs, but are intended attributes of the game. Attributes which many costumers read about and were/are excited for about this game.

I hope arenanet listens and finds some fun ‘end-game’ for those complaining, but I gotta say that thus far I entirely disagree with this. End-game in WoW is horrendous. I am not sure who likes it or why? I got 85 and quit like a week later. Out-equipped all dungeons and Raids are the most boring thing of life. There is absolutely no challenge in the game anymore and the only reason to play is to get even better equipment – further reducing the challenge. As for GW2, I’ve only been 80 for a few days, but I am not coming anywhere close to exhausting all of the game their is to offer and have not felt any sense of grind. I know once I am done with this character, I can make another and play an entirely different story.

TLDR – Consumers should research products. Players should give feedback, ANet listens. WoW is definitely not the game for me, GW2 is. Thanks ANet!

The majority of you are taking this scenario to another level. If you are buying a car which costs around £5k+ .. of course you are going to read up about it, It would be stupid not to. There is a massive difference between buying a car, oblivious to what its like, and buying a petty £35 for the PC.

I will no longer post and read on this subject because it was stupid of me to post such a topic that is directed towards the majority of the people that post here.

And to the guy who said he disagrees due to the reason we have access to the internet, that is the stupidest reason I have seen on this topic. I know a few people who very rarely/never go on the internet. According to your logic, everybody should know in detail about every product that are purchasing because we have access to tools like the internet.

Buying a video game without knowing anything about it is just as stupid as buying a microwave and then complaining that it doesn’t play DVDs. If you’re not informed about a product you shouldn’t be spending money on it.

A fool and his money are soon parted. In this case, there were apparently a lot of foolish consumers.

Buying a £35 game without knowing anything about it is exactly the same principal as buying a £5k car without knowing anything about it. It’s just the degree of risk that’s changed.

If £35 is “petty” to you and the risk of wasting it doesn’t bother you then that’s fine. To other people it can be a lot of money. It takes me about 5 hours to earn that and I don’t want to throw it away. I’m sure there’s people in the world who are at the other end of the scale and would think nothing of spending a “petty” £5k on an impulse purchase they know nothing about, then shrug it off if they don’t like it.

But the point is regardless of what it costs or what it is if you buy an item you know absolutely nothing about you can’t then complain when it doesn’t meet your expectations. Especially if you had every oppertunity to find out whether that was the case before buying and chose not to.

The majority of you are taking this scenario to another level. If you are buying a car which costs around £5k+ .. of course you are going to read up about it, It would be stupid not to. There is a massive difference between buying a car, oblivious to what its like, and buying a petty £35 for the PC.
I will no longer post and read on this subject because it was stupid of me to post such a topic that is directed towards the majority of the people that post here.
And to the guy who said he disagrees due to the reason we have access to the internet, that is the stupidest reason I have seen on this topic. I know a few people who very rarely/never go on the internet. According to your logic, everybody should know in detail about every product that are purchasing because we have access to tools like the internet.

I think that is that person’s point. Due to smartphones and the internet, you can actually know about any product you purchase. It is incredibly easy to get this information and there is no excuse to not accessing this information, except for the lack of will to do so. If you lack to will to do so, then you shouldn’t complain about it.

As for your note about the car vs PC game. I agree, they are different. However, if 35 pounds is nothing to you, then why complain about your purchase? If it is throw away money and you aren’t having fun, move on?

Jemmi.6058:

However, if 35 pounds is nothing to you, then why complain about your purchase? If it is throw away money and you aren’t having fun, move on?

Oh, snap. An excellent point here.

I kinda wish a lot of people would do this, especially considering those people who think a $60 setback isn’t worth researching the product, but they’re perfectly fine paying a bunch of shareholders $180 a year to be in the cool panda club.

The only exception to this rule is Thai strippers in the bad parts of town. Now that’s a disappointment waiting to happen and really no fault of the customer.

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ps. ok maybe it’s partly the customer’s fault thanks to pop culture.

This thread is not game discussion. Please stay on topic and use this sub-forum to discuss the game, not other players’ purchasing/pre-purchase research habits.