Guild Wars 2

they should at least increase the number of people to kick. 3 or 4.

if 4 random people that don’t know each other want to kick you, and you are the party leader, you probably deserve it.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

The Party Leader needs to be in absolute control of the instance.
Whenever a Kick Vote is requested, it should fall onto the leader to decide whether it goes or not. It might be abusable, but it is better than getting kicked from your own groups at the end of the run by random ill-intentioned people.

There needs to be control.

EXACTLY!

laokoko.7403:

they should at least increase the number of people to kick. 3 or 4.

if 4 random people that don’t know each other want to kick you, and you are the party leader, you probably deserve it.

i dont aggree its still your party and they are guests in it, they can get out

laokoko.7403:

they should at least increase the number of people to kick. 3 or 4.

if 4 random people that don’t know each other want to kick you, and you are the party leader, you probably deserve it.

Who are they to decide what should happen to you?

When do you ’’deserve’’ it?

I mean, I understand what you’re saying but it’s just a really poor situation people will get into now. And the issue here is that there’s no way to prevent it at all.

I don’t really agree that the number of votes needed should be increased beyond 2.

Actually a much better solution would be this:

If a player has not been inside the instance from the start, he/she is not allowed to vote kick. That way, no random last minute replacement can steal your instance.

laokoko.7403:

they should at least increase the number of people to kick. 3 or 4.

if 4 random people that don’t know each other want to kick you, and you are the party leader, you probably deserve it.

I made a post of ending up in a party with 4 of the one guild.
It was a terrible run. (no proper coordination between players.) If I wasn’t opener they would’ve kicked me.
because hey, can’t kick guildies and someone’s gotta be to blame.

Another time I had to afk for 5 minutes.(literally 5mins.). I come back to them talking about if they can kick me, but oh can’t because I was opener.

so god forbid you need break in the middle of a dungeon/get a call or whatever.

I’m not saying the majority of players are like this, but they’re not a minority either. There’s enough of them, that it’s a real problem.
Also by having kick immunity, if I felt someone in party was kicked unfairly or I could re-invite them to the party. This will no longer be the case.

Kick abuse is a real issue, and happens too often for anet to implement this without something in place.

IceVyper.6810:

I don’t really agree that the number of votes needed should be increased beyond 2.

Actually a much better solution would be this:

If a player has not been inside the instance from the start, he/she is not allowed to vote kick. That way, no random last minute replacement can steal your instance.

this does not adequatly protect dungeon owners from being kicked from the party THEY MADE, the maker sets the rules no exceptions

This is terrible and i’ll tell you why. Why should a party leader be immune? With this system you’re promoting an environment that allows the larty leader to do whatever the kitten they want and get away with it. I guess now i can just afk and laugh while the others do the dungeon for me because they can’t kick me anymore right?

There is zero logical reason that a party “leader” should be immune to punishment. It is completely and utterly illogical.

What’s really going on here is people want to keep what little insurance they had in the old system, whereby if the leader was kicked everyone else also was, making the leader feel better about being kicked.

I am saddened by the complete lack of any reasoning skills here. All they need to do is add a 3/5 man vote to kick system and be done with it. that requires 3 open slots to clear a party and that almost NEVER happens in groups that are not trying to sell instances.

vespers.1759:

This is terrible and i’ll tell you why. Why should a party leader be immune? With this system you’re promoting an environment that allows the larty leader to do whatever the kitten they want and get away with it. I guess now i can just afk and laugh while the others do the dungeon for me because they can’t kick me anymore right?

There is zero logical reason that a party “leader” should be immune to punishment. It is completely and utterly illogical.

What’s really going on here is people want to keep what little insurance they had in the old system, whereby if the leader was kicked everyone else also was, making the leader feel better about being kicked.

I am saddened by the complete lack of any reasoning skills here. All they need to do is add a 3/5 man vote to kick system and be done with it. that requires 3 open slots to clear a party and that almost NEVER happens in groups that are not trying to sell instances.

it is exactly the same as the system we have now EXCEPT if the party leader leaves the instance does not close, which is the ONLY complaint people had.

if i make the instance, if i start the party, i set the rules, it is my party .

Duke Nukem.6783:

vespers.1759:

This is terrible and i’ll tell you why. Why should a party leader be immune? With this system you’re promoting an environment that allows the larty leader to do whatever the kitten they want and get away with it. I guess now i can just afk and laugh while the others do the dungeon for me because they can’t kick me anymore right?

There is zero logical reason that a party “leader” should be immune to punishment. It is completely and utterly illogical.

What’s really going on here is people want to keep what little insurance they had in the old system, whereby if the leader was kicked everyone else also was, making the leader feel better about being kicked.

I am saddened by the complete lack of any reasoning skills here. All they need to do is add a 3/5 man vote to kick system and be done with it. that requires 3 open slots to clear a party and that almost NEVER happens in groups that are not trying to sell instances.

it is exactly the same as the system we have now EXCEPT if the party leader leaves the instance does not close, which is the ONLY complaint people had.

if i make the instance, if i start the party, i set the rules, it is my party .

No the party is not yours only the instance.Why opening the instance makes you imune to kicks?None other MMO has such nonsense.
I agree that there must be Party leader.What had to go is the instance owner.

Morsus.5106:

Kicking someone should require 50% or more people. In a group of 5, 3 votes would be required. In a group of 4, 2 votes would be required. In a group of 3, 2 votes would be required, in a party of 2, you can just leave the party.

This. The new incoming system, PLUS this change to the vote:kick system.

Even better is the suggestion further up this thread that it would take unanimous consent – that is, everyone except the person being kicked – to kick someone.

For those who don’t deal with english to well:

Require 4 out of 5 votes to kick to remove someone. (Or 3 out of 4, 2 out of 3).

moiraine.2753:

Duke Nukem.6783:

vespers.1759:

This is terrible and i’ll tell you why. Why should a party leader be immune? With this system you’re promoting an environment that allows the larty leader to do whatever the kitten they want and get away with it. I guess now i can just afk and laugh while the others do the dungeon for me because they can’t kick me anymore right?

There is zero logical reason that a party “leader” should be immune to punishment. It is completely and utterly illogical.

What’s really going on here is people want to keep what little insurance they had in the old system, whereby if the leader was kicked everyone else also was, making the leader feel better about being kicked.

I am saddened by the complete lack of any reasoning skills here. All they need to do is add a 3/5 man vote to kick system and be done with it. that requires 3 open slots to clear a party and that almost NEVER happens in groups that are not trying to sell instances.

it is exactly the same as the system we have now EXCEPT if the party leader leaves the instance does not close, which is the ONLY complaint people had.

if i make the instance, if i start the party, i set the rules, it is my party .

No the party is not yours only the instance.Why opening the instance makes you imune to kicks?None other MMO has such nonsense.
I agree that there must be Party leader.What had to go is the instance owner.

thats fine, aslong as the person who created the party cannot be kicked

stale.9785:

Morsus.5106:

Kicking someone should require 50% or more people. In a group of 5, 3 votes would be required. In a group of 4, 2 votes would be required. In a group of 3, 2 votes would be required, in a party of 2, you can just leave the party.

This. The new incoming system, PLUS this change to the vote:kick system.

Even better is the suggestion further up this thread that it would take unanimous consent – that is, everyone except the person being kicked – to kick someone.

For those who don’t deal with english to well:

Require 4 out of 5 votes to kick to remove someone. (Or 3 out of 4, 2 out of 3).

what if 4 ppl come into MY party and try to tell me how i am going to play? unacceptable

The kick system will never be healed in any MMO.

I got kicked from a COE p1 run the other night… there was 1 member in our group that was afk… he then even left the instance a while. So I voted to kick him. Someone else agreed…. but then the other 2 people in the party kicked me out because I kicked their friend out.

Lodius.5392:

The kick system will never be healed in any MMO.

I got kicked from a COE p1 run the other night… there was 1 member in our group that was afk… he then even left the instance a while. So I voted to kick him. Someone else agreed…. but then the other 2 people in the party kicked me out because I kicked their friend out.

if u were the party leader u would have been safe, this kind of irrational behavior is why we need CONTROL to keep people in line, parties need a leader!

Duke Nukem.6783:

stale.9785:

Morsus.5106:

Kicking someone should require 50% or more people. In a group of 5, 3 votes would be required. In a group of 4, 2 votes would be required. In a group of 3, 2 votes would be required, in a party of 2, you can just leave the party.

This. The new incoming system, PLUS this change to the vote:kick system.

Even better is the suggestion further up this thread that it would take unanimous consent – that is, everyone except the person being kicked – to kick someone.

For those who don’t deal with english to well:

Require 4 out of 5 votes to kick to remove someone. (Or 3 out of 4, 2 out of 3).

what if 4 ppl come into MY party and try to tell me how i am going to play? unacceptable

Also for example if your group is stuck at say lupicus in Arah, new people join, you wipe early, group manages to beat the boss but they kick you out after because you died and according to them you did not pull your weight.

rojak.1894:

Duke Nukem.6783:

stale.9785:

Morsus.5106:

Kicking someone should require 50% or more people. In a group of 5, 3 votes would be required. In a group of 4, 2 votes would be required. In a group of 3, 2 votes would be required, in a party of 2, you can just leave the party.

This. The new incoming system, PLUS this change to the vote:kick system.

Even better is the suggestion further up this thread that it would take unanimous consent – that is, everyone except the person being kicked – to kick someone.

For those who don’t deal with english to well:

Require 4 out of 5 votes to kick to remove someone. (Or 3 out of 4, 2 out of 3).

what if 4 ppl come into MY party and try to tell me how i am going to play? unacceptable

Also for example if your group is stuck at say lupicus in Arah, new people join, you wipe early, group manages to beat the boss but they kick you out after because you died and according to them you did not pull your weight.

thats another tragic and infurating situation and we need protection from it

in my opinion there is no justice when giving more power to some party members. having a majority vote in all cases makes the most sense. it is not only in an mmo that you have to manage your stay in a group.
if one has a lot of problems with being kicked from parties then maybe one should look into refining oneself first.

Yes they need a party leader system. This way it will work with the new change and ppl wont QQBBQ on the forums for being trolled or joining a party of trolls then getting kicked after they are done using you.

ulcimql.2516:

in my opinion there is no justice when giving more power to some party members. having a majority vote in all cases makes the most sense. it is not only in an mmo that you have to manage your stay in a group.
if one has a lot of problems with being kicked from parties then maybe one should look into refining oneself first.

I agree that there should not be a party leader and there should be a majority vote to kick people.

I do believe that 2 people is not enough to kick someone though, because then you get situations where 2 people can kick everyone else right at the very end of a dungeon, which has happened to me multiple times, so changing the system to all other party members have to agree to kick someone else can at least make it so EVERYONE else has to want you out right at the end which will happen much more rarely

Mosharn.8357:

Yes they need a party leader system. This way it will work with the new change and ppl wont QQBBQ on the forums for being trolled or joining a party of trolls then getting kicked after they are done using you.

right, we ask for such a simple immunity and a reasonable degree of control so we can have order and avoid not just intentional trolling (which is not common) but the worst kind of narrow minded parties that will kick u just for not playing stacky stack properly

ulcimql.2516:

in my opinion there is no justice when giving more power to some party members. having a majority vote in all cases makes the most sense. it is not only in an mmo that you have to manage your stay in a group.
if one has a lot of problems with being kicked from parties then maybe one should look into refining oneself first.

you get to come into my house and have a majority vote on weather or not you like my carpet? and kick me out of my own house if you dont?

Simple solution. Get rid of PuGging. Want to group? You can only do so with people from your guild or friend’s list. Return socializing to MMO’s. I sincerely hope ANet does not listen to the requests of people who think they own grouping through a convenience tool.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Simple solution. Get rid of PuGging. Want to group? You can only do so with people from your guild or friend’s list. Return socializing to MMO’s. I sincerely hope ANet does not listen to the requests of people who think they own grouping through a convenience tool.

you create a bigger problem than you solve, people will always find a way to pug and you taking away the convenience will not stop them, the ONLY solution is to prevent the leader from being kicked, but the leader changes if the leader logs out or leaves dungeon

Duke Nukem.6783:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Simple solution. Get rid of PuGging. Want to group? You can only do so with people from your guild or friend’s list. Return socializing to MMO’s. I sincerely hope ANet does not listen to the requests of people who think they own grouping through a convenience tool.

you create a bigger problem than you solve, people will always find a way to pug and you taking away the convenience will not stop them, the ONLY solution is to prevent the leader from being kicked, but the leader changes if the leader logs out or leaves dungeon

No, the solution is to revise or remove the kicking system. The system should never have been implemented as is anyway.

Can this be closed already? I mean seriously. The instance owner thing was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in an MMO and ArenaNet is going back on that design (about time if you ask me) for good reasons.

4 people should not get removed from an instance just because the person who walked in decided to leave, get kicked, or get disconnected. Not to mention that the party leader wasn’t always the “instance owner” so all you people arguing over how the party leader should have complete control don’t even understand how the system works in the first place.

The devs said that in time we will get an increase from 2-3 votes required to kick. Be patient until then. Until then, at least now we don’t have to worry about someone getting disconnected or leaving and wiping out the entire dungeon party.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Duke Nukem.6783:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Simple solution. Get rid of PuGging. Want to group? You can only do so with people from your guild or friend’s list. Return socializing to MMO’s. I sincerely hope ANet does not listen to the requests of people who think they own grouping through a convenience tool.

you create a bigger problem than you solve, people will always find a way to pug and you taking away the convenience will not stop them, the ONLY solution is to prevent the leader from being kicked, but the leader changes if the leader logs out or leaves dungeon

No, the solution is to revise or remove the kicking system. The system should never have been implemented as is anyway.

….ya i just sugested we revise the kicking system……thats what this whole thing has been about, we revise it so that the leader cant be kicked BUT if the leader leaves the party they or leaves the instance they are no longer the leader

TehPwnerer.7215:

Can this be closed already? I mean seriously. The instance owner thing was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen in an MMO and ArenaNet is going back on that design (about time if you ask me) for good reasons.

4 people should not get removed from an instance just because the person who walked in decided to leave, get kicked, or get disconnected. Not to mention that the party leader wasn’t always the “instance owner” so all you people arguing over how the party leader should have complete control don’t even understand how the system works in the first place.

The devs said that in time we will get an increase from 2-3 votes required to kick. Be patient until then. Until then, at least now we don’t have to worry about someone getting disconnected or leaving and wiping out the entire dungeon party.

u dont get to decide what is dumb and the fact that 5 posts on the front page are about htis same topic with dozens of people saying this is important tells you this is not dumb, if you feel it is dumb then you are the kind of narrow minded person we are trying to protect ourselves from.

and dont try to make anet sound like a closed book, they already said they are reconsidering this

also if the only thing your worried about is getting booted if opener leaves then RELAX i have already offered a suggestion to fix that in my thread, make the party leader unkickable but make them lose their party leader status if they log off, that way they still cant be kicked but the instance thing can stay this new way

eekzie.5640:

Asmodeus.5782:

No further ideas beyond increasing votes to 3 and other stuff you mentioned, but I just wanted to approve this topic.

I’m personally super in favor of adding a ‘’party leader’’ function, where he is the one who can decide on these things a lot more. This gives people a lot more protection to being kicked for no reason.

No. Having a party leader is a terrible idea because it just makes it so the leader can have total freedom to kick anyone “for no reason”.

DeathPanel.8362:

eekzie.5640:

Asmodeus.5782:

No further ideas beyond increasing votes to 3 and other stuff you mentioned, but I just wanted to approve this topic.

I’m personally super in favor of adding a ‘’party leader’’ function, where he is the one who can decide on these things a lot more. This gives people a lot more protection to being kicked for no reason.

No. Having a party leader is a terrible idea because it just makes it so the leader can have total freedom to kick anyone “for no reason”.

at no point in this thread did we suggest the party leader would have additional kicking powers, why r u making things up?

DeathPanel.8362:

eekzie.5640:

Asmodeus.5782:

No further ideas beyond increasing votes to 3 and other stuff you mentioned, but I just wanted to approve this topic.

I’m personally super in favor of adding a ‘’party leader’’ function, where he is the one who can decide on these things a lot more. This gives people a lot more protection to being kicked for no reason.

No. Having a party leader is a terrible idea because it just makes it so the leader can have total freedom to kick anyone “for no reason”.

actually what it suggested is that the party leader would have the “deciding vote”, big difference from a one vote kick. But any kick will require the party leader agreeing to it.
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@ Duke, you mentioned anet saying they are reconsidering this…do you have any links to this?
I’ve been keeping an eye on the posts, and have not seen anet say any such thing.

Duke Nukem.6783:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Duke Nukem.6783:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Simple solution. Get rid of PuGging. Want to group? You can only do so with people from your guild or friend’s list. Return socializing to MMO’s. I sincerely hope ANet does not listen to the requests of people who think they own grouping through a convenience tool.

you create a bigger problem than you solve, people will always find a way to pug and you taking away the convenience will not stop them, the ONLY solution is to prevent the leader from being kicked, but the leader changes if the leader logs out or leaves dungeon

No, the solution is to revise or remove the kicking system. The system should never have been implemented as is anyway.

….ya i just sugested we revise the kicking system……thats what this whole thing has been about, we revise it so that the leader cant be kicked BUT if the leader leaves the party they or leaves the instance they are no longer the leader

Sorry, I am not going to support a revision that protects 20% of the user base.

This could be really bad for pugs and casual groups. The overall dungeon population will decline because people really have no way to discourage griefing. Anet will see the population decline and realize no new dungeons are needed since nobody uses the ones we have. Its the end of hope for new dungeon content.

Party leader can only be kicked if is offline.
kick someone needs 3 votes.
Party leader have a icon that identify him.

DeathPanel.8362:

eekzie.5640:

Asmodeus.5782:

No further ideas beyond increasing votes to 3 and other stuff you mentioned, but I just wanted to approve this topic.

I’m personally super in favor of adding a ‘’party leader’’ function, where he is the one who can decide on these things a lot more. This gives people a lot more protection to being kicked for no reason.

No. Having a party leader is a terrible idea because it just makes it so the leader can have total freedom to kick anyone “for no reason”.

No, it would still require 2-3 votes.
Right now everyone can get kicked for no reason.

I updated the original post to include some more realistic restrictions.

yoyi.3469:

Party leader can only be kicked if is offline.
kick someone needs 3 votes.
Party leader have a icon that identify him.

this is a fine option

yoyi.3469:

Party leader can only be kicked if is offline.
kick someone needs 3 votes.
Party leader have a icon that identify him.

This is what it ought to be. Can we drag a dev in here?