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Posted by: cerberus.1386

cerberus.1386

Wow people! Where is the compassion? It must really suck to have to miss out on stuff that other people take for granted that they can enjoy.

OP was probably a bit shaken and wanted to warn others.

It would be nice to hear from Anet about any settings tips that might be helpful to reduce visual “noise”.

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

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It would be nice to hear from Anet about any settings tips that might be helpful to reduce visual “noise”.

I can get behind that.

I’m also severely epileptic. Many of the restrictions listed by Pax I must follow, too. Unlike Pax, I do have medication that’s effective to suppress my seizures (otherwise I’d probably be dead by now). But, that doesn’t mean there still aren’t problems… and even decently suppressed I still have a few Grand Mals a year.

Even on working meds giant zerg battles like at Teq give me headaches. Too many players creating so many flashing lights. I enjoy Teq, so I try not to be too much a part of the zerg, otherwise I can mostly only AA and look away from the screen. Turrets, hills, and ranged combat are my solutions.

But, that’s my choice to play Teq. To those that say, “don’t play,” ummm… no. Many times there are means to reduce the risks/effects, and when that’s possible to figure out I see no reason why I should abstain from the game. I also really respect the OP for reaching out and finding suggestions from the community.

OP, I wish I had more advice for you than what’s already been given. You do have my sympathy and I hope you can find a way to enjoy the content you want to play.

Good luck and good hunting to you,

~EW

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Posted by: Arahzor.1832

Arahzor.1832

TY for the advise to changing every thing to low in those parts to the game it is helping

Did you manage to get past the missions that troubled you? If not I can help carrying you through them. Just add me in-game or PM me if you need help.

Arahor Aure [DVDF]

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I don’t get why you play games that might cause danger to your health. Just delete it. Forget it. There is milion other games to play.

I don’t get why people drive which might cause danger to their health.. Everything has risks and there’s no reason for someone to avoid something because it may pose a risk.

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Posted by: FunnyCide.5426

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I don’t have seizures to my knowledge but I do suffer from photosensitivity. I was diagnosed with partial albinism when I was a kid. This makes things like Bitter Harvest and Migraine, heh, even the Herald’so psychedelic bathmat be triggers for migraines. Pulsing light patterns just cause that. The Herald thing really irritates me because I can’t have my rev use the specialization and it’s not worth using if you don’t use Glint.

I do my best to limit situationso that are known migraine triggers but it’s difficult to stay away from all of them. One way I help prevent things is having the post processing effects off since that helps take away some of the extra glittery effects. I also don’t play certain classes because of their bright flashy tendencies as well. Staying mostly at range also helps me since then everything isn’t going off in my face.

I do wish Anet would give us more graphic options though to tone things down a bit more. Even their new effect limiter doesn’t limit enough. There are days where I don’t log in because I know that even just moving my character (I do third person since first person makes me motion sick) could cause motion sickens so. Or even a particular effect might trigger something.

Why do I still Play? I enjoy how the game play is for the most part, my husband plays so it is something good for us to do together, I love my female charr reaper, and I love the lore of Tyria.

I just try to stay away from the trigger situations but I still wish Anet would realize that not everyone can take the bright strobing effects that they seem to be using more and more. If it gets too bad I will have to move on but I would much prefer not to.

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Posted by: Ceridwen.6703

Ceridwen.6703

I don’t get why you play games that might cause danger to your health. Just delete it. Forget it. There is milion other games to play.

I don’t get why people drive which might cause danger to their health.. Everything has risks and there’s no reason for someone to avoid something because it may pose a risk.

Funny you mention it, but driving is one of the things I don’t do. It would potentially get very messy if I did – nasty bright sun on some days out to get me, or bright headlights from other vehicles at night. Ouch. At least I won’t kill anyone else by playing a game, that’s for sure. Plus, I get a moral high ground in public transportation. XD

But you are right: if everyone went on that rationale of don’t do stuff cos it’s dangerous, we’d never do anything! Life’s for living, so let us decide, naysayers, what we can do and what we can’t. Sharing information about what has been an issue in-game for us is no bad thing, nor is trying to come up with solutions to make it a little more friendly for our usage.

“Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Steve R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn.”

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Posted by: Frediosz.2718

Frediosz.2718

I don’t get why you play games that might cause danger to your health. Just delete it. Forget it. There is milion other games to play.

I don’t get why people drive which might cause danger to their health.. Everything has risks and there’s no reason for someone to avoid something because it may pose a risk.

Driving a car while having health problems like OP says may result in driving into a bus stop full of people, killing them and is mostly forbidden by law and if not then your common sense should tell you not to…

Also cars are real things that let you have a job, transport things and people – they make your life, job and living easier. That’s a great payoff as for the risk that is taken while driving a car.

Game get you what ? Job? Food? Help you move from one flat to another? Go and get you familiy from airport? No. There is no payoff as for risking seizure and damage it may cause

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Posted by: Ashen.2907

Ashen.2907

I don’t get why you play games that might cause danger to your health. Just delete it. Forget it. There is milion other games to play.

I don’t get why people drive which might cause danger to their health.. Everything has risks and there’s no reason for someone to avoid something because it may pose a risk.

There is a huge difference between driving, perhaps to work in order to afford to feed one’s family, and a pass-time, one game among thousands.

I mean, Russian roulette is just a game with associated risks, right?

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

I don’t get why you play games that might cause danger to your health. Just delete it. Forget it. There is milion other games to play.

I don’t get why people drive which might cause danger to their health.. Everything has risks and there’s no reason for someone to avoid something because it may pose a risk.

Driving a car while having health problems like OP says may result in driving into a bus stop full of people, killing them and is mostly forbidden by law and if not then your common sense should tell you not to…

Also cars are real things that let you have a job, transport things and people – they make your life, job and living easier. That’s a great payoff as for the risk that is taken while driving a car.

Game get you what ? Job? Food? Help you move from one flat to another? Go and get you familiy from airport? No. There is no payoff as for risking seizure and damage it may cause

I don’t get why you play games that might cause danger to your health. Just delete it. Forget it. There is milion other games to play.

I don’t get why people drive which might cause danger to their health.. Everything has risks and there’s no reason for someone to avoid something because it may pose a risk.

There is a huge difference between driving, perhaps to work in order to afford to feed one’s family, and a pass-time, one game among thousands.

I mean, Russian roulette is just a game with associated risks, right?

You both are going too far into the specifics of the example rather than the point I was making. I was comparing two things that have risk. Do they have the same risk? No but that doesn’t matter as it wasn’t part of the point I was making.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

Video games are generally something you shouldn’t be doing at all if you have any form of epilepsy, as far as I’m aware. Hell, simply staring at a screen is discouraged and I doubt you didn’t know that. When you willingly do something that can trigger your condition, then that’s on you unfortunately

As another epileptic in this thread, this just simply isn’t true. Epileptics need to avoid their triggers, whatever they may be, but there’s no real linking video games themselves to epilepsy. There are tons of different triggers, and these are really hard to diagnose. For all we know, it’s a very specific sense of disorientation that causes the OP’s. Some people get them based on certain combinations of specific frequencies of sounds, which can be very unexpected in most forms of media. I recall a past neurologist of mine saying he had a client whose trigger was his mother saying a certain and sparsely-used word, just because of the very specific sound she produced. He needed no medication and went 18 years seizure-free after she stopped saying it in front of him. Avoiding triggers like these, especially, say, if they come from a certain vehicle engine noise or something, is hard to do and very unreasonable.

People often confuse seizures caused from flashing bright lights with epilepsy, when in reality, epilepsy is the diagnosis of having two unprovoked seizures caused by literally anything.

For example, my seizures have no known trigger. I’m one of those candidates for the computer-in-the-brain surgery because the docs have given up trying to diagnose what’s causing them. They’re controlled perfectly on medication (albeit way more than what’s healthy for my body such that I’m likely to see kidney and liver failure earlier than normal, but needs are needs), but it doesn’t matter what I’m doing; if not on meds, I will have them at some point, even in the middle of the night while fast asleep if I forget a dose. I’ve gone into the hospital numerous times on no medication, had strobe lights put to my face, EEG’s, sleep deprivation, fasting, physical exhaustion… everything, just to even figure out where they start, and I’ve never been able to produce one (week-long sessions of monitoring for a perfect diagnosis are sadly not possible in the adult world, and in my case, carry significant risks). On the converse, I’ve had them only a matter of a few hours after missing a pill and just sleeping in late. Of many seizures I’ve had since diagnosed, only one ever occurred while playing a game or near the time of playing a game, and all I was doing was walking into a zone that I’d visited thousands of times before for hundreds of hours. Triggers are kitten ed hard to predict in some cases, such that many epileptics don’t know what triggers theirs.

A lot of people seem to be getting offended at the OP’s post. Stop being stupid. Yes, those being rude, you’re actually being stupid. Research before you talk. The OP was just warning people with epilepsy to be careful. A change wasn’t even initially requested, because yea, it’s a lot to ask for especially since epilepsy comes in so many forms with an infinite number of triggers. It was just a warning to help people who might have the same problems.

As far as driving goes, this is up to state/national law. How much is really too much to drink? Again, epileptics have different kinds of seizures. Some are so mild that they themselves typically aren’t much aware they’re having one. You can’t be stupid about the decisions you make, but people with epilepsy need to be people. I have a job as a software engineer and I need to go to work every day. I’ve passed the legal requirements, and have a perfect driving record. The accident rate among epileptic drivers is way lower than of just people who drink at all – which is most people – indicating that if the person has the clearance to drive, they’re probably actually safer drivers than most on a given Friday night.

The people playing haven’t had substantial issues thus far, and, are in fact people. We need to have fun in some way, and having maybe a seizure or two playing a video game due to a very odd case of the content being designed in such a way is better than going swimming at a barbecue and risking dying in the pool.

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