Guild Wars 2

Hi community

Without too much introduction I present solution-focused approach to upcoming gear imbalance in WvW PvP.

Enforce PvP Gear in WvW PvP also.
In this way we can use max level PvP gear in all PvP.
This would make also levelling new alts more interesting in WvW and get more
PvP players into game when they could just enjoy from PvP and also level their toons.

Thanks.

Tamaskil.9841:

Enforce PvP Gear in WvW PvP also.

No thanks.

I don’t know what “imbalance” your talking about. WvW was never meant to be as finely balanced as sPvP. It is where you take the progression of your PvE char for large scale PvP.

Some people will be happy to get a gear advantage. Don’t expect them to give it up without a fight.

In WvW we don’t have agony condition right? then adjust the ascended gear stat lv is a solution…. but i don’t care, i go WvW with lv55 mesmer and i killed somebody, how the hell i knew the player is actually lv1 or lv80 and who get the gear advantages? Who actually knows?

PvP is separate from PvE and WvW right? Everyone should be able to get equal gear so i don’t see a reason ascended gear will be any advantage…

This would make all pvp balanced I doubt anyone could justify gear imbalance.
I think it would be wise decision to seperate pvp from pve gaming.

No. I like bashing lower levels. WvW is not sPvP, get your hands away from it!

I’m thinking this Ascended gear shouldn’t be usable in WvW. But I’m pretty sure the dungeon grinders would just be sad pandas if they weren’t rewarded for their grinding efforts.

Terkov.4138:

No. I like bashing lower levels. WvW is not sPvP, get your hands away from it!

This way you could still bash them, since they would not have all the skills. Instead they would have equal gear with you. Good player would always win 1 vs 1 against lower level toon.

Hmm… I got full exotic from playing WvW (karma + badges). Most probably asc gear won’t be any harder, so where do you see dungeons farmers?

No way. If I have an advantage with gear and rofl stomp people because of anets gear grind I expect to use it.
I will have earned that edge with the legendary and ascend gear stat boost so I can kick ur butt and plan to stomp all the badies away thank you very much.
Cant grind like me too bad maybe you can buy it in the store.

WvWvW is currently imbalanced, if some obtains ascended items this will not change this. Currently those wielding legendary weapons are also imbalancing wvwvw but you don’t hear anyone complaining about them.

Terkov.4138:

Hmm… I got full exotic from playing WvW (karma + badges). Most probably asc gear won’t be any harder, so where do you see dungeons farmers?

No you need to grind dungeons to get ascendend arrmor and in future there will be even stronger new items. Let Pve players have them and let pvp:ers just focus on killing each others with equal gear.

Funny how some people think that Legendaries have better stats than exotics… O_o

Loumy.7841:

Funny how some people think that Legendaries have better stats than exotics… O_o

Currently they have same stats as excotics but ater next patch all legendaries will get buffed.

My opinion is, keep ascendant gear stats the same as exotic, include all current stat combos (rabid, valkyrie, carrion, zerker etc.). Have the infusions give dungeon specific bonuses only (which they probably will already). Add a nice extra MF bonus onto ascendant gear.

Something like.

exotic level stat a
exotic level stat b
exotic level stat c
x% MF
Infusion slot

This would have no impact on WvW, but would be a huge bonus while farming aswell as in specific dungeons.

Why havent Anet done this? Its the easiest solution to not have PvE impact on PvP and PvE players would get progress.

This way they could increase the quality of infusions when they like and possibly add new gear with more infusion slots for the PvE crowd to obtain. This would make gear stronger for PvE and have zero effect on PvP.

Or if the current ascendant gear only comes with pow, pres and MF I’m fine with it. Since its far from optimal gear to PvP in. I rather use exotics with stats I do want in that case.

Narkosys.5173:

No way. If I have an advantage with gear and rofl stomp people because of anets gear grind I expect to use it.
I will have earned that edge with the legendary and ascend gear stat boost so I can kick ur butt and plan to stomp all the badies away thank you very much.
Cant grind like me too bad maybe you can buy it in the store.

LOL, you are not a PvPer you are someone who wants to bring a bazooka to a knife fight.

PvP should be primarily about skill. You are not more skilled than someone because you have more time to play a GAME, you are more skilled because you are a player with deep understanding of class mechanics and situational play.

Gear treadmills have no place balanced PvP. I’m happy to be beaten by a more skilled player, not one with a 10% stat and damage advantage.

Time in game does not equal skill or entitlement, just that you have more free time then others.

SneakyErvin.3056:

My opinion is, keep ascendant gear stats the same as exotic, include all current stat combos (rabid, valkyrie, carrion, zerker etc.). Have the infusions give dungeon specific bonuses only (which they probably will already). Add a nice extra MF bonus onto ascendant gear.

Something like.

exotic level stat a
exotic level stat b
exotic level stat c
x% MF
Infusion slot

This would have no impact on WvW, but would be a huge bonus while farming aswell as in specific dungeons.

Why havent Anet done this? Its the easiest solution to not have PvE impact on PvP and PvE players would get progress.

This way they could increase the quality of infusions when they like and possibly add new gear with more infusion slots for the PvE crowd to obtain. This would make gear stronger for PvE and have zero effect on PvP.

Or if the current ascendant gear only comes with pow, pres and MF I’m fine with it. Since its far from optimal gear to PvP in. I rather use exotics with stats I do want in that case.

I like this and I am sure it would work. Problem is that devs want to add progressive gear progression, in future there will be more powerful items. This is why I think we are in crossroads and need to seperate all PVE from PvP. Let PVe players have their goodies and also let PvP players have our little sandbox.

Have you actually done WvW before?

Seriously nothing in that place is related to skill.

Whoever has the bigger zerg, better siege or finer organization/coverage pretty much win. I’ve killed tons of people wearing nothing but lvl 30 blue (and no jewel), and i didn’t even have master traits.

Gear is the last thing that mattered in wvw, and it only matters if you’re a free roamer that happens to run into one or two people when you’re doing your vistas.

Tamaskil.9841:

Problem is that devs want to add progressive gear progression, in future there will be more powerful items. This is why I think we are in crossroads and need to seperate all PVE from PvP. Let PVe players have their goodies and also let PvP players have our little sandbox.

I agree

showatt.9413:

Have you actually done WvW before?

Seriously nothing in that place is related to skill.

Whoever has the bigger zerg, better siege or finer organization/coverage pretty much win. I’ve killed tons of people wearing nothing but lvl 30 blue (and no jewel), and i didn’t even have master traits.

Gear is the last thing that mattered in wvw, and it only matters if you’re a free roamer that happens to run into one or two people when you’re doing your vistas.

Actually some of us enjoy roaming in the edge or just outside of the zerg, getting smaller more exciting fights.

Loumy.7841:

showatt.9413:

Have you actually done WvW before?

Seriously nothing in that place is related to skill.

Whoever has the bigger zerg, better siege or finer organization/coverage pretty much win. I’ve killed tons of people wearing nothing but lvl 30 blue (and no jewel), and i didn’t even have master traits.

Gear is the last thing that mattered in wvw, and it only matters if you’re a free roamer that happens to run into one or two people when you’re doing your vistas.

Actually some of us enjoy roaming in the edge of the zerg, getting smaller more exciting fights.

And having better gear will help you with that, will it not?

If not, then spvp.

ljaphillips.3497:

Narkosys.5173:

No way. If I have an advantage with gear and rofl stomp people because of anets gear grind I expect to use it.
I will have earned that edge with the legendary and ascend gear stat boost so I can kick ur butt and plan to stomp all the badies away thank you very much.
Cant grind like me too bad maybe you can buy it in the store.

LOL, you are not a PvPer you are someone who wants to bring a bazooka to a knife fight.

PvP should be primarily about skill. You are not more skilled than someone because you have more time to play a GAME, you are more skilled because you are a player with deep understanding of class mechanics and situational play.

Gear treadmills have no place balanced PvP. I’m happy to be beaten by a more skilled player, not one with a 10% stat and damage advantage.

Time in game does not equal skill or entitlement, just that you have more free time then others.

I’m a noob who has a lot time to play (whole weekends \o/ ), and I like to beat weaker, coz my kitten is too small. This is what you want to hear? If you want skill, then go sPvP, leave something for ppl who like to farm gear and use it against others.

Please lets try to avoid flame war in this topic and try to discuss about proper solution.
—→ Same level gear for all PvP.
Imagine just go to Mists, fit your toon, enter portal and go to WvW and have fun. Or go to spvp with same toon. This would be dream for me.
I could join structured or world scale pvp with same toon, with equal gear.
Also testing different builds in WvW would be more easy this way.

I want to play PvP in an open world, like WvWvW. And to those of you who say go play structured PvP, I can say the same to you – go play another game were you can farm gear all day everyday.

Tamaskil.9841:

Please lets try to avoid flame war in this topic and try to discuss about proper solution.
—-> Same level gear for all PvP.
Imagine just go to Mists, fit your toon, enter portal and go to WvW and have fun. Or go to spvp with same toon. This would be dream for me.
I could join structured or world scale pvp with same toon, with equal gear.
Also testing different builds in WvW would be more easy this way.

Just as I wrote above: some ppl like to use gear they earned, to fight other players. In name of “balance” (there never will be real balance is WvW, as you never fight against only lvl 80s and against same number of enemies) you want to take it away from them.

I already have too much gear advantage over many opponents in WvW. I’d like to see all lowbies scaled to specific stat amounts instead of based on their (often very weak) gear. Against other lvl 80s I can sometimes feel their bad gear but at least I feel they will reasonably achieve exotics.

Before someone suggests it, I will not reduce my own gear “for the challenge” since it just creates a disadvantage against the people who do have exotics.

Saying this, I should want the spvp item system right? No, because I’m enjoying the fine grained control over stat customization I currently have. I’d also like to keep the consumables (more customization and expression of personal preferences) although some of them are too strong and should be nerfed due to WvW balance. Yes it exists.

Terkov.4138:

Tamaskil.9841:

Please lets try to avoid flame war in this topic and try to discuss about proper solution.
—-> Same level gear for all PvP.
Imagine just go to Mists, fit your toon, enter portal and go to WvW and have fun. Or go to spvp with same toon. This would be dream for me.
I could join structured or world scale pvp with same toon, with equal gear.
Also testing different builds in WvW would be more easy this way.

Just as I wrote above: some ppl like to use gear they earned, to fight other players. In name of “balance” (there never will be real balance is WvW, as you never fight against only lvl 80s and against same number of enemies) you want to take it away from them.

Agreed there will never be perfect balance in WvW but things are more fun if the gap is smaller. Gear is one factor that can be easily adjusted in my solution.

Endgame in this game is so boring. You hit 80 and haven’t nothing to do. No new gear, no challenge. WvW need of gear urgently.

I don’t think gear is a super big problem right now but I would prefer this. Make the fights more about skill and would let us be more free to try new builds as well.

Loumy.7841:

showatt.9413:

Have you actually done WvW before?

Seriously nothing in that place is related to skill.

Whoever has the bigger zerg, better siege or finer organization/coverage pretty much win. I’ve killed tons of people wearing nothing but lvl 30 blue (and no jewel), and i didn’t even have master traits.

Gear is the last thing that mattered in wvw, and it only matters if you’re a free roamer that happens to run into one or two people when you’re doing your vistas.

Actually some of us enjoy roaming in the edge or just outside of the zerg, getting smaller more exciting fights.

Yeah, we call you guys baddies. You basically don’t have the skills for spvp/tpvp so you guys go to WvW and get your rocks off by winning against people who are species for larger group fights vice small coordinated strike teams. And if you get rolled by a Zerg just lol on VoIP and shrug it off and tell yourselves you only lost cause of numbers.

Real PvP players are in spvp where they absolutely have no worries about gear. WvW is about people placement then skill, this is the middle ground between PvE and PvP, where large guilds compete not only skill but resource management. If you want one end of the extreme then go to that end, don’t try to change this middleground for everyone.

Wow…

I know on these forum, wanting progression is the evil and all, but I’m not affraid to say it. I play for progression. That’s what I like. I love starting weak, getting stomped, then getting better and better.

That’s Why I play MMORPG, and not FPS. I get bored really quick without nothing to aim for.

I understand that some people prefer static stats and all the same thing. That’s good. Anet said sPvp would be static, so I don’t play it.

The only reason I bought GW2, was because I knew they were PvP focus and they kept the progression side in WvW. If they remove it, I’m not a PvE fan or a visual grinding fan, so it will be the end for me. And it would be a shame since I love this game.

You are free to think that I only want progression to stomp ungeared people. Truth is, I’m not a hardcore gamer. I don’t play that much, and I don’t like farming in pve so my progression is slow.

I got stomped a lot by exotic people in WvW, and I don’t care. It will just make me try harder to kill them, make me want to farm so I might be even with them, or better.

TL;DR : I respect non progression player, but since WvW has been made over progression, please don’t change it. That’s the only reason I’m here.

P.S : Progression is evil.

There is no imbalance. Only imbalance there is in WvW is the time zone coverage of a server.

Even one stat point advantage is too much.

styx.7294:

I don’t think gear is a super big problem right now but I would prefer this. Make the fights more about skill and would let us be more free to try new builds as well.

With downed state? Impossible. Downed state, of the way it is, the game will broken. Its a pathetic mechanism. See my suggestion and think about it: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Downed-state-and-others-suggestions/first#post815467

Kardiamond.6952:

The only reason I bought GW2, was because I knew they were PvP focus and they kept the progression side in WvW. If they remove it, I’m not a PvE fan or a visual grinding fan, so it will be the end for me. And it would be a shame since I love this game.

I am sorry but if you bought the game because you wanted progression, you didn’t read much about the game and how they planned/designed it. That is why so many people are annoyed, they bought the game because they were promised that there would be no progression in gear or stats.

There is nothing wrong with liking gear progression but it has no place in GW2. Personally I really miss the trinity and the element it adds to WvW but I would completely understand outrage and even support that outrage if they decided to add a trinity because that is not the design or goal of GW2 or the way the game was marketed.

Narkosys.5173:

No way. If I have an advantage with gear and rofl stomp people because of anets gear grind I expect to use it.
I will have earned that edge with the legendary and ascend gear stat boost so I can kick ur butt and plan to stomp all the badies away thank you very much.
Cant grind like me too bad maybe you can buy it in the store.

You should earn an edge by learning about your class and how to counter other classes, by outplaying or out-thinkining your opponent. If you need a stat buff to beat an opponent, you are being out-played by these “badies.”

Kardiamond.6952:

Wow…

I know on these forum, wanting progression is the evil and all, but I’m not affraid to say it. I play for progression. That’s what I like. I love starting weak, getting stomped, then getting better and better.

But you’re not getting better and better. You still suck, it’s just your gear gets better and betters.

I like progression too, but progression in skill.

@Ianervan

I like building a character. I can increase my skill in a FPS, I can become the best player in the world. Headshotting everyone without ever dying. But I won’t have fun.

I want items progressions, that’s what I like. As soon as I hit the cap, I don’t even use it to kill people. I leave it and make an Alt.

@purpleskies

They told they would use gear in WvW. Exotic was already progression, but people didn’t cry about it. And it’s a lot better then Rare.

They said they didn’t want gear grinding, not sure it mean no progression at all. As long as they put progression in PvE, I think it should follow in WvW. If they stop it, then so be it.

ArenaNet has explicitly stated time and time again since pre-launch that WvW is meant to be imbalanced. That includes numbers, gear, and whatever else you can think of.

/thread

i think most people are just looking at the ascend gear, and are like well its not much of an increase. but what about the the next set or the one after that and then a 5th and a 6th and so on. it will get to the point were siege weapons for def will be pointless as a point blank balista shot to the face will not even be noticed. which means soon they would have to rework siege weapons to do more damage then that would force them to rework keep doors and walls. eventually becoming a never ending cycle.

they already have a scaling system in this game. i say fine tune it and use it. exotic gear seems about right for pvp. i would like to see better scaling for the low lvl guys. they could also put in a system that down scales all gear to exotic versions of said gear. this would allow them to put as many tiers of gear in the game for pve, bring out as many new harder dungens as they like and not worry about throwing WvWvW all out of wack. i mean sure it would be funny to 1 shot some poor lvled up new guy with auto attack but would get old pretty fast. which in the long run is what it will come down to.

Yes i know people say WvW is already imbalanced with time zones, zergs and what not so it doesn’t matter. imo that is just bad logic. why add another imbalance?

showatt.9413:

Have you actually done WvW before?

Seriously nothing in that place is related to skill.

Whoever has the bigger zerg, better siege or finer organization/coverage pretty much win. I’ve killed tons of people wearing nothing but lvl 30 blue (and no jewel), and i didn’t even have master traits.

Gear is the last thing that mattered in wvw, and it only matters if you’re a free roamer that happens to run into one or two people when you’re doing your vistas.

Simply lol, among all the trolls in this thread… U’r the best!
U play in t29 or something!?

MoonSpell.4512:

showatt.9413:

Have you actually done WvW before?

Seriously nothing in that place is related to skill.

Whoever has the bigger zerg, better siege or finer organization/coverage pretty much win. I’ve killed tons of people wearing nothing but lvl 30 blue (and no jewel), and i didn’t even have master traits.

Gear is the last thing that mattered in wvw, and it only matters if you’re a free roamer that happens to run into one or two people when you’re doing your vistas.

Simply lol, among all the trolls in this thread… U’r the best!
U play in t29 or something!?

I´m not really sad to dissapoint you, but he´s not trolling, nor is he wrong. 3x lowbies, with ballistas at a lvl 4 camp can indeed wipe out a mindless 15man Zerg .. if a 20man zerg, that with one player agrooes NPCs away .. is against the same setup, but with a 80lvl Bunker – the Zerg will wipe out without a chance of retreat.
If you don´t have experience in WvW tactics, don´t push your ignorant “thoughts” upon other people, nor insult them. Your ignorance is your bliss & fall .. or in other words, “shush kiddo, this is not your place to talk”.

To you “Tamaskil.9841” .. gear, lvl, traits & numbers – do NOT matter in WvW. Tactics actually win wars .. and supplies. And to, what you posted, it´s a suggestion, not a solution. Afterall, if you would have spent at least a week in Structured, then you would know why .. altou it´s not a bad idea, on the contrary, it would prove to be quite an interesting experience, but I think, larger battles for sPvP have already been promised, so you might finally try that out.

That would be the day i’d re-buy the game. But trust me, they will push Pay 2 win on WvW, guys. It will be cash shoppers vs grinders. No room for real gamers in the near future, i’m afraid. I wouldn’t wait to see. i’d jump the boat and get a refund while you can. This game is a goner. If a miracle happens you can always buy it again.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

ArenaNet has explicitly stated time and time again since pre-launch that WvW is meant to be imbalanced. That includes numbers, gear, and whatever else you can think of.

/thread

Where exactly did they state that end game WvWvW gear is supposed to be imbalanced? Show us all!

WvW gear should be whatever gear you have. The only problem I have is that the best gear is not attainable through WvW only via dungeons. There should be equally awesome gear attainable through WvW.

Tamaskil.9841:

Hi community

Without too much introduction I present solution-focused approach to upcoming gear imbalance in WvW PvP.

Enforce PvP Gear in WvW PvP also.
In this way we can use max level PvP gear in all PvP.
This would make also levelling new alts more interesting in WvW and get more
PvP players into game when they could just enjoy from PvP and also level their toons.

Thanks.

Would be great, but it won’t happen. Anet has pretty much made it clear they are headed away from the ideas of GW1.

Keiel.7489:

Real PvP players are in spvp

I LoLed at that….

It’s been mentioned that there will be ways to attain ascended gear through WvW as well eventually.

arKRazor.8654:

It’s been mentioned that there will be ways to attain ascended gear through WvW as well eventually.

I think that’s the best solution anyway.

arKRazor.8654:

It’s been mentioned that there will be ways to attain ascended gear through WvW as well eventually.

Is that anything like Soon™? And by that time, there will be a newer better version of gear because this is the beginning of the never ending vertical gear progression.

moirweyn.9872:

arKRazor.8654:

It’s been mentioned that there will be ways to attain ascended gear through WvW as well eventually.

Is that anything like Soon™?

When it comes to WvW, that’s the standard.