Guild Wars 2

lordkrall.7241:

Vol.5241:

Nice, early patch, though I wonder if we’ll see another at the end of the month (if we don’t that’s fine)

We most likely will, especially after Colins comment yesterday about information about the FIRST patch will be available soon (and now it is^^)

I don’t think we will see another one (at least for the Living Story) until June.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-living-world-in-guild-wars-2-beyond-flame-and-frost/
He talks about going from may into June with a new story, telling us June is the next story update.

Colins may mean the first patch in a series, like the last series was 4 months long.

I think 4 months is a bit too long to keep the same story going.

Midnight Gypsy.9360:

I don’t think we will see another one (at least for the Living Story) until June.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-living-world-in-guild-wars-2-beyond-flame-and-frost/
He talks about going from may into June with a new story, telling us June is the next story update.

Colins may mean the first patch in a series, like the last series was 4 months long.

I think 4 months is a bit too long to keep the same story going.

No, he specifically said the first patch in MAY.

For the more immediate details, we’ll be releasing more info about our first May update here shortly

marnick.4305:

Parisalchuk.9230:

So this update is a total of a small PvE questline that will likely take 30 mins like Flame and Frost and EB JP being an instance. Thats it?

Sad…

If you call free stuff sad … you must really have a very, very sad life. I can’t imagine how sad paid content would make you.

Except its not really ‘free’. When the game was released it was promised that we would get these great content updates as long as you purchased the game. That means they were intended to be developed and included with the price of the game.

That is the exact logic of someone buying a game that was supposed to be this great game only to find out the game itself at release was half done. While they delivered on what they promised, they didnt deliver to the quality that you expected when you purchased the game.

@ Parisalchuk.9230:

I disagree with you completely. A-net can easily not update the game at all. They already have your money, why gives a crap? They are continuously updating the game, adding events, etc, and you are sitting there complaining? Go mop the floor or do something productive, you hobo. If you think it was “half complete”, you’d be surprise how many hours people got out of this $60 game. Name a game that kept them playing that long, and I am saying “them” because I think you’re some sort of lvl 10 noob. And if it is sad, don’t play it. Go back to WoW or go play LoL. LoL is a really good game btw.

Parisalchuk.9230:

marnick.4305:

Parisalchuk.9230:

So this update is a total of a small PvE questline that will likely take 30 mins like Flame and Frost and EB JP being an instance. Thats it?

Sad…

If you call free stuff sad … you must really have a very, very sad life. I can’t imagine how sad paid content would make you.

Except its not really ‘free’. When the game was released it was promised that we would get these great content updates as long as you purchased the game. That means they were intended to be developed and included with the price of the game.

That is the exact logic of someone buying a game that was supposed to be this great game only to find out the game itself at release was half done. While they delivered on what they promised, they didnt deliver to the quality that you expected when you purchased the game.

Except that they didn’t say that everything would be free. They said they had a business model that included a cash shop. That is to say, the content would be funded by something.

No company can sell you a game and continue to give you free content forever. However, not everyone will spend money in the cash shop. Those that do fund the new content. It’s called a business plan.

Logically, if you buy a game like Tombraider for $60, you get under 20 hours of time out of it. If you buy Guild Wars 2 for $60, you can’t expect to get thousands of hours of content…not for that same price.

Of course, those that don’t spend money in the cash shop still get the content…but it’s naive to believe that any company can keep producing content for free, just based on box sales.

Anet has a different business model than a subscription game, but it still depends on money coming in.

@ Vayne

Don’t you ever get bored of running around forum, dude? -_- Anyways, well said.

Simon.3106:

@ Vayne

Don’t you ever get bored of running around forum, dude? -_- Anyways, well said.

Hey…I’m retired. This keeps me mentally active. Anyway, it’s like PvP, you know. lol

Only one thing I`m curious about.

Does this mean yet more UI crap top right or are you lot (Anet) going to finally give us options to turn this crap off?

Vayne.8563:

Parisalchuk.9230:

marnick.4305:

Parisalchuk.9230:

So this update is a total of a small PvE questline that will likely take 30 mins like Flame and Frost and EB JP being an instance. Thats it?

Sad…

If you call free stuff sad … you must really have a very, very sad life. I can’t imagine how sad paid content would make you.

Except its not really ‘free’. When the game was released it was promised that we would get these great content updates as long as you purchased the game. That means they were intended to be developed and included with the price of the game.

That is the exact logic of someone buying a game that was supposed to be this great game only to find out the game itself at release was half done. While they delivered on what they promised, they didnt deliver to the quality that you expected when you purchased the game.

Except that they didn’t say that everything would be free. They said they had a business model that included a cash shop. That is to say, the content would be funded by something.

No company can sell you a game and continue to give you free content forever. However, not everyone will spend money in the cash shop. Those that do fund the new content. It’s called a business plan.

Logically, if you buy a game like Tombraider for $60, you get under 20 hours of time out of it. If you buy Guild Wars 2 for $60, you can’t expect to get thousands of hours of content…not for that same price.

Of course, those that don’t spend money in the cash shop still get the content…but it’s naive to believe that any company can keep producing content for free, just based on box sales.

Anet has a different business model than a subscription game, but it still depends on money coming in.

That is not the point at all of my argument…

My point is that the quality of monthly updates that was advertised before game as advertisement to draw more sales before release does not match that of the actual product being delivered. They break no ‘promises’ because they still deliver but I am well within my rights to be upset that these updates dont really ‘have lasting effects on the world’ or any other of their buzz phrases they use. Am I upset at each individual update? No, there have been some months of enjoyment where content matches what was expected. Holiday events for example. But look at January. We got ‘Living Story’ that added content that was easily completed within 20 minutes with no rushing through it. That content does not live up to their prerelease hype.

Business model has no effect here. I have no problem with them trying to use the gem store to make money, that is and has always been their business model. A model which they decided would sustain the company allowing them to release large content updates. It is my opinion that these updates do not match what they hyped they would be.

Parisalchuk.9230:

It is my opinion that these updates do not match what they hyped they would be.

I have no idea what you were expecting Parisalchuck. Updates since January alone includes -

Jan
New achievement category Living Story, which tracks the progress of the narrative
Temple of the Silent Storm: Week long event then added to regular rotation
Improved achievement system with daily/monthly tracker UI.
A new currency: Laurels
Guesting
New infusion equipment: Ascended amulets and utility infusions
Tweaks to World versus World
New Gem Store items available for purchase
Changes to Orr to improve events, rewards, and general playability.
Improvements to Fractals of the Mists, including new daily bonus chests.

Feb
Continuation of the Flame and Frost narrative
New achievements for Living Story
Guild missions
New currencies: Guild Merits and Guild Commendations
New Ascended accessories and stat combinations for existing rings and amulets
New structured PvP map: Spirit Watch
Two team rated play in PvP
Selectable daily achievement system
Preview items in the Trading Post
Revamped Ascalon Catacombs Explorable encounters

March
Continuation of the Flame and Frost narrative
Two new NPCs: Braham and Rox
New storyline instances with repeatable rewards
7 new Living Story achievements
New fused weapons in the Black Lion Chests
World versus World extended progression
Removal of culling, with new player options
World XP and World Ranks granting visible titles and new passive abilities
New WvW achievements
New scoreboard UI for WvW
New gear on Badge of Honor vendors with expanded skin and stat options.
Additional Guild mission content
Three new Guild Bounty Hunt Targets
New Guild Bounty Training missions for new and small guilds
New Guild weapons available at the Guild Commendation Trader
Leaderboards covering WvW and PvP rankings as well as achievement rankings.
New April Fools’ dungeon: Super Adventure Box
New items in the Gem Store: Name Change Contract and Communal Boost Bonfire

April
Living Story
Conclusion of the Flame and Frost narrative
New Living Story dungeon: Molten Facility
New Living Story achievements with a new title and a special reward: Fused Gauntlet
sPvP updates
Custom PvP Arenas
Spectator Mode
sPvP Browser update
WvW updates
New World Experience upgrades: Arrow Cart Mastery and additional Guard Killer ranks.
Guild siege weapons
Guild mission updates
30 new Guild Trek locations
New Quaggan-themed Guild Rush
Influence rewards from Guild Treks
New back banners on the Guild Commendation Trader
New attribute prefix: Sentinel’s
New gemstones: Azurite Crystal/Azurite Orb
New Gem Store items: miniatures, Braham and Rox weapon skins, and Sonic Tunneling Tool.

You’re upset that a story telling method (living story) that’s going to be unfolding over an extended amount of time hasn’t yet significantly changed the world? It just started! That’s like dissing a book 30 pages in for having no conflict or real ending. Give it some time, geez

“Any chance to place a big glade somewhere in the new map, aside from main route to JP, just to allow unofficial duelling between people from the servers? Or even something like an arena/collosseum. Just a place, without any additional mechanics involved.”

“PvP has arenas…. go there.”

Besides what other people have said, the gear choices are very limited in sPvP

ColinJohanson.2394:

Vol.5241:

Quick question Colin – are we still able to kill people doing the puzzle? Or is this gonna be a pve area?

Kill away! It’s still very much a WvW map, just its own map now. It’s all growsed up.

Was this just a promotion of trolling from the development team? Didn’t they already state they want to reduce the amount of trolling that goes on in the game? or something to that affect.

The trap idea sounds cool, but after thinking about it for 2 minutes now just sounds like an inconvenience. I just see one guy, probably the commander, cause they’re always in the lead, just running around a gate and triggering all the traps. Everyone else has supply. No big deal.

Parisalchuk.9230:

So this update is a total of a small PvE questline that will likely take 30 mins like Flame and Frost and EB JP being an instance. Thats it?

Sad…

So if you take F&F and add in this one, and the one they’ve said is coming in June – those three together is about half the content size of a WoW expansion. But in a 6 month period. Whereas the ‘competition’ has often made us pay for it, and given just that for a period of 2-3 years per stretch, plus 1 new dungeon per year…

Its coming in smaller doses so it seems small, but its coming fast, and in total it is a LOT.

Karizee.8076:

Parisalchuk.9230:

It is my opinion that these updates do not match what they hyped they would be.

I have no idea what you were expecting Parisalchuck. Updates since January alone includes -~

They have a lot of updates, most ppl just brush off what doesn’t apply to them and say they did nothing.. Currently the updates since launch are around 87 pages and almost 50,000 words.

Parisalchuk.9230:

Vayne.8563:

Parisalchuk.9230:

marnick.4305:

Parisalchuk.9230:

So this update is a total of a small PvE questline that will likely take 30 mins like Flame and Frost and EB JP being an instance. Thats it?

Sad…

If you call free stuff sad … you must really have a very, very sad life. I can’t imagine how sad paid content would make you.

Except its not really ‘free’. When the game was released it was promised that we would get these great content updates as long as you purchased the game. That means they were intended to be developed and included with the price of the game.

That is the exact logic of someone buying a game that was supposed to be this great game only to find out the game itself at release was half done. While they delivered on what they promised, they didnt deliver to the quality that you expected when you purchased the game.

Except that they didn’t say that everything would be free. They said they had a business model that included a cash shop. That is to say, the content would be funded by something.

No company can sell you a game and continue to give you free content forever. However, not everyone will spend money in the cash shop. Those that do fund the new content. It’s called a business plan.

Logically, if you buy a game like Tombraider for $60, you get under 20 hours of time out of it. If you buy Guild Wars 2 for $60, you can’t expect to get thousands of hours of content…not for that same price.

Of course, those that don’t spend money in the cash shop still get the content…but it’s naive to believe that any company can keep producing content for free, just based on box sales.

Anet has a different business model than a subscription game, but it still depends on money coming in.

That is not the point at all of my argument…

My point is that the quality of monthly updates that was advertised before game as advertisement to draw more sales before release does not match that of the actual product being delivered. They break no ‘promises’ because they still deliver but I am well within my rights to be upset that these updates dont really ‘have lasting effects on the world’ or any other of their buzz phrases they use. Am I upset at each individual update? No, there have been some months of enjoyment where content matches what was expected. Holiday events for example. But look at January. We got ‘Living Story’ that added content that was easily completed within 20 minutes with no rushing through it. That content does not live up to their prerelease hype.

Business model has no effect here. I have no problem with them trying to use the gem store to make money, that is and has always been their business model. A model which they decided would sustain the company allowing them to release large content updates. It is my opinion that these updates do not match what they hyped they would be.

They never advertised this game where they said every month would change the world. The only time I can remember them saying will change the world forever, was the karka event, which did in fact change the world by adding a new zone if nothing else. Now they’re getting ready to use that zone.

I don’t remember any advertisment for the game saying the game would change each and every month permanently.

Some people thought dymanic events would make permanent changes, but even there, Anet was massively clear, well before launch that dynamic events were persistent but not permanent, which is true. Furthermore they explained dynamic events in great detail and issued examples.

So sure, you can be kitten off. But I’m still not 100% sure what you’re kitten off about.

Great update to WvW. My playstyle is defensive. i make dollys run i fix all , i protect and guard and WvW eats all my money and my rank stays low. Thanx Anet for taking notice defensive playstyle! This is very important for tier 8-9 guilds. When battle “jamms” to situation wheree u need to hold stuff PVE oriented ppl leave coz they get nothing out of it. Good call!