Guild Wars 2

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Jordo.5913:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Let me use a real world example of this. Say you purchased the Collector’s Edition because you really liked that Rytlock statue. Then a week later, Anet says that all players will get a Rytlock statue, and Collector’s Edition players will get 2. What do I do with the extra statue, since I only really needed one.

Ebay? Sell it to a friend?

Unfortunately, I can’t sell or even gift my extra character slot to someone else.

My ebay reponse wasn’t to solve your extra character slot dilemma, I used it to solve ur real life situation.

Your extra chr slot is completely free without paying more.

You bought the ultimate because you liked the gems, slot, mini, and other stuff, so you would still have had to pay 100.00 if this slot was given BEFORE the bundles were even announced.

If you bought the ultimate edition just for the chr slot, ask for a refund and get the standard now instead.

If you want to keep the ultimate set at 100.00, then you obviously think the extra goodies are valuable enough to you to pay 100.00

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Let me use a real world example of this. Say you purchased the Collector’s Edition because you really liked that Rytlock statue. Then a week later, Anet says that all players will get a Rytlock statue, and Collector’s Edition players will get 2. What do I do with the extra statue, since I only really needed one.

That’s not a valid analogy.

Two character slots can be used for very different things (i.e. two different characters), whereas one would only feasibly need one of a statue if they were looking to collect it. That is to say, a second character slot has, in and of itself, inherent value despite the presence of other character slots, whereas a statue is less likely to add value to a collection due to the presence of a duplicate. It may not to you personally, but I am speaking generally.

Not only that, but I question as to why you didn’t just buy the base HoT package and an additional character slot if that’s all you wanted instead of also buying into the extra goodies in the deluxe and ultimate editions.

In your case, if you wanted your deluxe/ultimate package character slot refunded, I believe it would also be fair that you lose the extra goodies and bonus gems that may have also come with the purchase. If you did not want those things, then it doesn’t make sense that you would’ve purchased them, especially considering the base game plus a single character slot was cheaper than the deluxe edition.

If nothing else, just file a case with support and see what they say.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Jordo.5913:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Let me use a real world example of this. Say you purchased the Collector’s Edition because you really liked that Rytlock statue. Then a week later, Anet says that all players will get a Rytlock statue, and Collector’s Edition players will get 2. What do I do with the extra statue, since I only really needed one.

Ebay? Sell it to a friend?

Unfortunately, I can’t sell or even gift my extra character slot to someone else.

Then, Smooth Penguin, you used an awful example to try and prove your point

In fact, that just proved my point. You can’t do much with a physical statue other than admire it. Or play with it. Whatever floats your boat. But you can give it to someone, or sell it.

The extra character slot cannot be given away, cannot be sold, no one but you has access to it. It’s 100% completely free, it didn’t cost you anything. And, if you ever decide to make an additional character for whatever reason, you don’t have to spend another $10 in the future. Stop complaining, be happy.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

There’s a lot of “anger” from a small portion of the community over the pricing of HoT. Some of it is from the misconception that Anet should price the game at a price that’s favorable to the individual player. However, this suggestion isn’t about them. It’s for those of us who can see through the false clouds of negativity, and understand that the Ultimate package is the best deal in town……
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Ahhhhh. How fast the tune changes when it’s no longer the best deal in town, for them.

Lol.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

There’s a lot of “anger” from a small portion of the community over the pricing of HoT. Some of it is from the misconception that Anet should price the game at a price that’s favorable to the individual player. However, this suggestion isn’t about them. It’s for those of us who can see through the false clouds of negativity, and understand that the Ultimate package is the best deal in town……
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Ahhhhh. How fast the tune changes when it’s no longer the best deal in town, for them.

Lol.

lololol

too good.

Well I’m going to bow out this thread. I was trying to keep it a constructive conversation for those that are affected by this. I’ll just leave it by saying I’m a bit displeased. I’m not angry and I don’t feel slapped in the face or anything like that. I’m sure I will survive.

Jordo.5913:

My ebay reponse wasn’t to solve your extra character slot dilemma, I used it to solve ur real life situation.

Your extra chr slot is completely free without paying more.

You bought the ultimate because you liked the gems, slot, mini, and other stuff, so you would still have had to pay 100.00 if this slot was given BEFORE the bundles were even announced.

If you bought the ultimate edition just for the chr slot, ask for a refund and get the standard now instead.

If you want to keep the ultimate set at 100.00, then you obviously think the extra goodies are valuable enough to you to pay 100.00

You really should read my OP. The Ultimate edition was perfect. It had everything that I wanted. 1 slot, fluff, and 4k Gems. I got what I paid for.

But now I’m getting 2 slots. I don’t need 2 slots. That extra slot has no value to me. I’m suggesting a way for Anet to exchange that free slot for Gems instead.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Ahhhhh. How fast the tune changes when it’s no longer the best deal in town, for them.

Lol.

So now we have confirmation that we Deluxe and Ultimate pre-order players lost value in our purchase. It’s only fair that Anet offer us options so we’re not left out in the cold.

I give it a week or so to see if they spice up ultimate and especially delux versions due to this back track. If not, I will be asking CS to be downgraded to basic and get a refund. I don’t want to do this but I may very well have to.

GuzziHero.2467:

Um no.

I dont want or need an extra character slot. I deleted toons because Anet screwed us over with Ascended, so I have loads spare. But I don’t agree with any ‘gem equivalent’.

People got what they asked for, leave it at that.

^ this. I bought the ultimate, I now have 3 unused slots + a beta. That’s fine. you’re all getting what you asked for.

Entenkommando.5208:

Talon Silverhawk.3574:

Umm yes, I made a decision to buy a package based on a slot that I could have got for free ,

You decided to pay 25$ more because of something you can buy for 10$ ?

You have no right to complain here.

I have every right to complain how and when I wish.

Did you buy the extra package, if yes then you can do what you wish, complain or not.

If you didn’t then really kitten all to do with you, move along nothing to see here.

K thx bye

Swanky McDanky.5214:

GuzziHero.2467:

Um no.

I dont want or need an extra character slot. I deleted toons because Anet screwed us over with Ascended, so I have loads spare. But I don’t agree with any ‘gem equivalent’.

People got what they asked for, leave it at that.

^ this. I bought the ultimate, I now have 3 unused slots + a beta. That’s fine. you’re all getting what you asked for.

How are you getting 3 extra slots? Each edition gets one additional slot, and the Deluxe and Ultimate editions already have a slot, so anyone who purchased the Deluxe or the Ultimate editions have 2 additional alots. (Unless you used the gems to buy yourself another slot or two.)

Jordo.5913:

You still would have had to pay 75.00 to get the other goodies.

This extra slot should be looked at as a FREE loyalty item.

Yep, not saying the slot isn’t a free loyalty item, but getting the free slot certainly does impact the value of the slot in the deluxe and ultimate editions.

As I’ve said before I bought my edition based on the expansion, the goodies, AND the slot. At the time of purchase I did NOT have a slot for the new class, now I do have a slot for it and I did NOT need the slot included in my edition.

The loyalty character slot does not effect the value of the expansion or the other goodies, just the value of the character slot in the edition.

Would it be just as cool if A-net had said all the deluxe edition items were now included with the standard edition, but if you bought the deluxe don’t worry you will get two?

piano man.1672:

Swanky McDanky.5214:

GuzziHero.2467:

Um no.

I dont want or need an extra character slot. I deleted toons because Anet screwed us over with Ascended, so I have loads spare. But I don’t agree with any ‘gem equivalent’.

People got what they asked for, leave it at that.

^ this. I bought the ultimate, I now have 3 unused slots + a beta. That’s fine. you’re all getting what you asked for.

How are you getting 3 extra slots? Each edition gets one additional slot, and the Deluxe and Ultimate editions already have a slot, so anyone who purchased the Deluxe or the Ultimate editions have 2 additional alots. (Unless you used the gems to buy yourself another slot or two.)

He deleted a toon previously (1 slot unused), then bought Ultimate (1 slot), and now we’re all getting an extra slot (1 slot). So now he’ll have 3 unused slots.

Talon Silverhawk.3574:

Entenkommando.5208:

Talon Silverhawk.3574:

Umm yes, I made a decision to buy a package based on a slot that I could have got for free ,

You decided to pay 25$ more because of something you can buy for 10$ ?

You have no right to complain here.

I have every right to complain how and when I wish.

Did you buy the extra package, if yes then you can do what you wish, complain or not.

If you didn’t then really kitten all to do with you, move along nothing to see here.

K thx bye

No one is arguing about whether or not you have the right to complain about something. Everyone has the right to complain. In fact, the whole community did in a very toxic way. People are questioning the content that you are complaining about.

1. You stated that you purchased a package based solely on the character slot.
2. For example, the Deluxe is $75 and comes with a character slot.
3. Character slots are $10 each. If you wanted to purchase the Deluxe just because of the character slot, why not pay $50 for the Standard edition and pay $10 for the character slot?

We’re basically saying you shouldn’t complain about something because:
1. If you purchased any package just because of the added character slot, you made a poor purchase decision and lost money.
2. If you purchased any package for the character slot and the goodies, then there’s no need to complain if you wanted the character slot and the goodies.

You might be able to get a refund and downgrade to the Standard edition if you contact support. No guarantee, but it’s a possibility.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Anet just announces some changes that will make many players happy. Offering to refund core game purchases from the past 6 months is pretty nice of them. Even offering an additional character slot for existing accounts who pre-ordered is a great boon for veteran players.

However, the issue with the pre-order for Deluxe and Ultimate puts me in a bind. I was one of the first to pick up the Ultimate edition. My laptop screen nearly cracked after I started tossing my wallet at it last week. The one additional slot that was originally offered was perfect. Now we’re getting 2. I don’t need 2 extra character slots.

I’d like to ask that we players who purchased the Deluxe or Ultimate editions to have an option to get the Gem equivalent of the extra character slot.

You made it abundantly clear previously that you felt that your purchase was well worth what you paid. Now you get more than what you paid for previously. How does getting more than what you thought you were paying for justify any form of consideration ?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

piano man.1672:

Swanky McDanky.5214:

GuzziHero.2467:

Um no.

I dont want or need an extra character slot. I deleted toons because Anet screwed us over with Ascended, so I have loads spare. But I don’t agree with any ‘gem equivalent’.

People got what they asked for, leave it at that.

^ this. I bought the ultimate, I now have 3 unused slots + a beta. That’s fine. you’re all getting what you asked for.

How are you getting 3 extra slots? Each edition gets one additional slot, and the Deluxe and Ultimate editions already have a slot, so anyone who purchased the Deluxe or the Ultimate editions have 2 additional alots. (Unless you used the gems to buy yourself another slot or two.)

He deleted a toon previously (1 slot unused), then bought Ultimate (1 slot), and now we’re all getting an extra slot (1 slot). So now he’ll have 3 unused slots.

I couldn’t find the post in this thread where he said he deleted a toon, unless he was saying what Guzzi did is what he did as well. Just curious to see where he pulled 3 slots from.

piano man.1672:

Talon Silverhawk.3574:

Entenkommando.5208:

Talon Silverhawk.3574:

Umm yes, I made a decision to buy a package based on a slot that I could have got for free ,

You decided to pay 25$ more because of something you can buy for 10$ ?

You have no right to complain here.

I have every right to complain how and when I wish.

Did you buy the extra package, if yes then you can do what you wish, complain or not.

If you didn’t then really kitten all to do with you, move along nothing to see here.

K thx bye

No one is arguing about whether or not you have the right to complain about something. Everyone has the right to complain. In fact, the whole community did in a very toxic way. People are questioning the content that you are complaining about.

1. You stated that you purchased a package based solely on the character slot.
2. For example, the Deluxe is $75 and comes with a character slot.
3. Character slots are $10 each. If you wanted to purchase the Deluxe just because of the character slot, why not pay $50 for the Standard edition and pay $10 for the character slot?

We’re basically saying you shouldn’t complain about something because:
1. If you purchased any package just because of the added character slot, you made a poor purchase decision and lost money.
2. If you purchased any package for the character slot and the goodies, then there’s no need to complain if you wanted the character slot and the goodies.

You might be able to get a refund and downgrade to the Standard edition if you contact support. No guarantee, but it’s a possibility.

I’m arguing because ppl made a decision based on facts at the time, what ever the values are on how they cost, then a week later, not a year they changed those facts, which “may” have changed/swayed the decision taken.

I am checking the options with support, and yes as ppl have said maybe a bit quick to purchase, but hey I’m impulsive and like the game.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You got an extra character slot worth $10 free, unexpectedly. That’s hardly losing value, unless you’re the sort that complains whenever you get free items after you purchase something. (I bet this character trait makes birthdays and Christmas interesting at your house).

I’ll ignore the rest of your post, as you clearly are assuming way too much of my posts.

As I stated previously, I don’t need 2 extra slots. I only needed the single one that the Ultimate offered. Going off of this, that’s why I suggested that we (who purchased Deluxe or Ultimate before today) get an option for the Gem equivalent instead of the extra slot. I even said I’d settle for 1/2 the Gem value of an extra slot. Then we’ll still have the 1 extra slot, and the added value of the extra Gems to make our purchases worth investing much more than the $50 standard price.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You got an extra character slot worth $10 free, unexpectedly. That’s hardly losing value, unless you’re the sort that complains whenever you get free items after you purchase something. (I bet this character trait makes birthdays and Christmas interesting at your house).

However this thread confirms me in my opinion that the OP deliberately makes threads because they are controversial, not because he actually believes what he is saying.

I bestow upon Smooth Penguin the forum title, More Heat Than Light, in his tireless efforts to make fluff threads with a high controversy to low content ratio.

OP has stated repeatedly that he did not ask for that slot and that him, like some others only bought ultimate FOR that slot + gems. You all seem to think we are hating on basic getting the slot…NO we are not, we are extremely happy you are getting a great deal now but what about delux/ultimate. Take that 2nd free slot and give me 800 gems instead thanks.

I didn’t purchase anything since I thought ANet might change some things, but I have to say I agree with Smooth Penguin.

If you purchased Deluxe/Ultimate you were likely influenced by that free character slot. Now that a free slot comes with the basic package, you might have made a different decision. Character slots have different ‘values’ to everyone based on how many alts they like to play, what classes they have, how many current slots they have available and their intention to play the new Revenant.

A gift of 800 gems for Deluxe/Ultimate would have been a more flexible (and in my opinion, better) option. Then people can purchase what has value -to them-.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You got an extra character slot worth $10 free, unexpectedly. That’s hardly losing value, unless you’re the sort that complains whenever you get free items after you purchase something. (I bet this character trait makes birthdays and Christmas interesting at your house).

I’ll ignore the rest of your post, as you clearly are assuming way too much of my posts.

As I stated previously, I don’t need 2 extra slots. I only needed the single one that the Ultimate offered. Going off of this, that’s why I suggested that we (who purchased Deluxe or Ultimate before today) get an option for the Gem equivalent instead of the extra slot. I even said I’d settle for 1/2 the Gem value of an extra slot. Then we’ll still have the 1 extra slot, and the added value of the extra Gems to make our purchases worth investing much more than the $50 standard price.

Then are you claiming that, had they offered the free character slot initially, that you would not have purchased the deluxe or ultimate editions?

I was intending to purchase the Ultimate, now i might go with Standard because of this change. The “fluff” is not the type of fluff I’m into. I find it very lackluster. Discount gems is a cheap addon, again, nothing really exciting there.

So yes, to me, it makes a fifty-dollar USD difference in how much money I might spend on their product.

Edit: I’m having a hard time typing out dollar amount without it showing up as kitten?

Yamsandjams.3267:

Then are you claiming that, had they offered the free character slot initially, that you would not have purchased the deluxe or ultimate editions?

Yup, would have only bought basic/purchased 4k gems for 50 bucks instead if that was the case.

fixit.7189:

Yup, would have only bought basic/purchased 4k gems for 50 bucks instead if that was the case.

Well that doesn’t make sense since you’d be paying the same amount of money for less content (2 char slots, and the HoT fluff). I think it only makes sense if you wouldn’t intend to buy any thing extra.

Yamsandjams.3267:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You got an extra character slot worth $10 free, unexpectedly. That’s hardly losing value, unless you’re the sort that complains whenever you get free items after you purchase something. (I bet this character trait makes birthdays and Christmas interesting at your house).

I’ll ignore the rest of your post, as you clearly are assuming way too much of my posts.

As I stated previously, I don’t need 2 extra slots. I only needed the single one that the Ultimate offered. Going off of this, that’s why I suggested that we (who purchased Deluxe or Ultimate before today) get an option for the Gem equivalent instead of the extra slot. I even said I’d settle for 1/2 the Gem value of an extra slot. Then we’ll still have the 1 extra slot, and the added value of the extra Gems to make our purchases worth investing much more than the $50 standard price.

Then are you claiming that, had they offered the free character slot initially, that you would not have purchased the deluxe or ultimate editions?

Not at all. The original deal came with an additional slot already, thus the value of said deals were based on that slot. Had the slot not been offered, the price of Deluxe and Ultimate would probably have been 800 Gems different. Maybe we would have been offered 4800 Gems instead for $100.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Anet just announces some changes that will make many players happy. Offering to refund core game purchases from the past 6 months is pretty nice of them. Even offering an additional character slot for existing accounts who pre-ordered is a great boon for veteran players.

However, the issue with the pre-order for Deluxe and Ultimate puts me in a bind. I was one of the first to pick up the Ultimate edition. My laptop screen nearly cracked after I started tossing my wallet at it last week. The one additional slot that was originally offered was perfect. Now we’re getting 2. I don’t need 2 extra character slots.

I’d like to ask that we players who purchased the Deluxe or Ultimate editions to have an option to get the Gem equivalent of the extra character slot.

They are giving us an extra, said thanks instead -.- .

fixit.7189:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You got an extra character slot worth $10 free, unexpectedly. That’s hardly losing value, unless you’re the sort that complains whenever you get free items after you purchase something. (I bet this character trait makes birthdays and Christmas interesting at your house).

However this thread confirms me in my opinion that the OP deliberately makes threads because they are controversial, not because he actually believes what he is saying.

I bestow upon Smooth Penguin the forum title, More Heat Than Light, in his tireless efforts to make fluff threads with a high controversy to low content ratio.

OP has stated repeatedly that he did not ask for that slot and that him, like some others only bought ultimate FOR that slot + gems. You all seem to think we are hating on basic getting the slot…NO we are not, we are extremely happy you are getting a great deal now but what about delux/ultimate. Take that 2nd free slot and give me 800 gems instead thanks.

The claim by Smooth that his purchase has lost value when only a few days ago he was talking about how it was the best deal available makes me think he is not serious. He got something worth $10, unexpectedly. FOR FREE. And he says it makes what he has less valuable? That doesn’t make sense at all. Sure, you could wish that a company could give you a different gift than what you got, but declaring what you bought is worth less because you got more???

ANet fixed a marketing mistake. Now fixing it isn’t going to make everyone happy but it certainly doesn’t devalue what you got if you get more.

Lucius.2140:

They are giving us an extra, said thanks instead -.- .

They are giving us an extra after selling an edition with a slot as one of the major incentives.

If this had been announced BEFORE preorders had been sold, there would be literally no issue.

Geeze, I just realized this is a Smooth Penguin thread. Take notes, folks.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

fixit.7189:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You got an extra character slot worth $10 free, unexpectedly. That’s hardly losing value, unless you’re the sort that complains whenever you get free items after you purchase something. (I bet this character trait makes birthdays and Christmas interesting at your house).

However this thread confirms me in my opinion that the OP deliberately makes threads because they are controversial, not because he actually believes what he is saying.

I bestow upon Smooth Penguin the forum title, More Heat Than Light, in his tireless efforts to make fluff threads with a high controversy to low content ratio.

OP has stated repeatedly that he did not ask for that slot and that him, like some others only bought ultimate FOR that slot + gems. You all seem to think we are hating on basic getting the slot…NO we are not, we are extremely happy you are getting a great deal now but what about delux/ultimate. Take that 2nd free slot and give me 800 gems instead thanks.

The claim by Smooth that his purchase has lost value when only a few days ago he was talking about how it was the best deal available makes me think he is not serious. He got something worth $10, unexpectedly. FOR FREE. And he says it makes what he has less valuable? That doesn’t make sense at all. Sure, you could wish that a company could give you a different gift than what you got, but declaring what you bought is worth less because you got more???

ANet fixed a marketing mistake. Now fixing it isn’t going to make everyone happy but it certainly doesn’t devalue what you got if you get more.

I get a 2nd slot I did not ask for nor do I want so it has ZERO value to me. I only wanted one slot, that is WHY I got ultimate b/c basic did not HAVE it. Is it that hard to understand.

All get from you is “Hahaha, you got ripped off and I find that hilarious” vibe so I am done bothering. I will soak my loss and move on if I can’t get a refund.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Yamsandjams.3267:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

You got an extra character slot worth $10 free, unexpectedly. That’s hardly losing value, unless you’re the sort that complains whenever you get free items after you purchase something. (I bet this character trait makes birthdays and Christmas interesting at your house).

I’ll ignore the rest of your post, as you clearly are assuming way too much of my posts.

As I stated previously, I don’t need 2 extra slots. I only needed the single one that the Ultimate offered. Going off of this, that’s why I suggested that we (who purchased Deluxe or Ultimate before today) get an option for the Gem equivalent instead of the extra slot. I even said I’d settle for 1/2 the Gem value of an extra slot. Then we’ll still have the 1 extra slot, and the added value of the extra Gems to make our purchases worth investing much more than the $50 standard price.

Then are you claiming that, had they offered the free character slot initially, that you would not have purchased the deluxe or ultimate editions?

Not at all. The original deal came with an additional slot already, thus the value of said deals were based on that slot. Had the slot not been offered, the price of Deluxe and Ultimate would probably have been 800 Gems different. Maybe we would have been offered 4800 Gems instead for $100.

That doesn’t address my point.

If you are saying that you would still have purchased the deluxe/ultimate edition despite the fact that a free character slot was initially offered in the base game package as well as an extra one in the deluxe package, then I don’t think your request is valid. The reason is that ANet would not necessarily have changed the package deals (i.e. not removed the character slot from the deluxe package), and you get more than a single character slot from those packages. It does not make sense to purchase the deluxe edition for the simple presence of a character slot when you can get that for less by purchasing it directly alongside the HoT base package. One would look at your purchasing decisions and infer that you decided to buy the deluxe/ultimate editions due to the presence of the other items in those packages. The inclusion of a free character slot in the base package does not diminish the value of the deluxe/ultimate editions.

If you are saying that you would not have purchased the deluxe/ultimate edition if ANet had included the free character slot in the HoT base package, then I would again feel your request is invalid for more or less the same reason. You could have simply purchased an extra character slot alongside the base HoT package instead of buying the deluxe edition. It seems more likely to me that you purchased the deluxe/ultimate edition due to the value of the additional items in those packages.

If I am interpreting you correctly, I believe what you are really asking for is a way to purchase the additional items that come with the deluxe/ultimate edition (i.e. mini Rytlock, glider skin) without having to also purchase an additional character slot that you do not want to use.

However, the issue people have with your position here is that you were previously fine with having the character slot bundled into the deluxe/ultimate edition because you, personally, were able to make use of it just fine.

I think a better way to present your argument would be to advocate for a way whereby players can purchase the extra goodies from the deluxe/ultimate edition without simultaneously purchasing a character slot. That is, detaching the additional character slot from the deluxe/ultimate package. For instance, propose they implement a “mini-deluxe” version for $65 that contains the exact same contents as the deluxe edition, but without the character slot.

If you would have simply bought the base package and then $50 worth of gems for a total of $100, then I don’t see why you’re complaining about getting extra skins, minis, and a character slot that you did not value in the first place.

I don’t think it’s saying that the Ultimate lost value. It’s saying that in comparision it’s no longer as attractive. Previous to the update if you wanted a character slot you only had Deluxe or Ultimate. Ultimate was the clear winner in value since it has $50 of gems at a $25 price difference.

The problem is that now that the Basic version has a character slot and is an option, if you’re not interested in fluff/a second free slot/gems, then maybe you would have purchased differently.

Don’t want two character slots?

Contact support and downgrade to standard.

Want those extra goodies?

Keep what you have and get those goodies and ignore the 2nd extra chr slot.

GG

I think the OP has the right to express his/her displeasure with the news, just as a lot of people were expressing their displeasure last week. Anet did mess up and changing a product when you have purchased it is a little unfair. However I’m happy with my extra slot. No complaints here.

anx.7549:

I think the OP has the right to express his/her displeasure with the news, just as a lot of people were expressing their displeasure last week. Anet did mess up and changing a product when you have purchased it is a little unfair. However I’m happy with my extra slot. No complaints here.

Of course, they can express displeasure about whatever they want.

Whether that displeasure is reasonable is another matter. That’s the main basis of the discussion here.

JNetRocks.3652:

I don’t think it’s saying that the Ultimate lost value. It’s saying that in comparision it’s no longer as attractive. Previous to the update if you wanted a character slot you only had Deluxe or Ultimate. Ultimate was the clear winner in value since it has $50 of gems at a $25 price difference.

The problem is that now that the Basic version has a character slot and is an option, if you’re not interested in fluff/a second free slot/gems, then maybe you would have purchased differently.

What version of game are you playing? 50 bucks for basic + it costs 50 bucks in store for 4k gems which = 100 bucks. Which happens to be the cost of ultimate. So where exactly is this 50% savings on gems b/c I certainly am not seeing it. Explain.

fixit.7189:

JNetRocks.3652:

I don’t think it’s saying that the Ultimate lost value. It’s saying that in comparision it’s no longer as attractive. Previous to the update if you wanted a character slot you only had Deluxe or Ultimate. Ultimate was the clear winner in value since it has $50 of gems at a $25 price difference.

The problem is that now that the Basic version has a character slot and is an option, if you’re not interested in fluff/a second free slot/gems, then maybe you would have purchased differently.

What version of game are you playing? 50 bucks for basic + it costs 60 bucks in store for 4k gems which = 100 bucks. So where exactly is this 50% savings on gems b/c I certainly am not seeing it. Explain.

The 50% savings he’s talking about are the 4k gems included in the ultimate edition.

The deluxe edition was $75 and contained no gems.

The ultimate edition was exactly the same as the deluxe with the addition of 4k gems for $100.

As such, the 4k gems in the ultimate package, which are normally $50, where throw in for only $25. Thus, you could purchase those gems with a savings of 50%.

What he’s saying is that many people went for the ultimate edition because they wanted the gem savings and were going to get an additional character slot anyways, so it presented them with good value.

However, I believe the notion that said people now have a valid complaint due to the free character slot inclusion is not valid because they purchased what they did based on the value of the additional inclusions, no solely on the character slot. The poster seems to ignore the fact that you could simply buy a character slot for $10 alongside the base package for a $60 total, which is less than the deluxe or ultimate. Presumably, a purchaser who only wanted a character slot in addition to HoT and not any of the other goodies would have followed that route, rather than buying things that they had no value for.

Palindrome.8904:

Geeze, I just realized this is a Smooth Penguin thread. Take notes, folks.

Yamsandjams.3267:

anx.7549:

I think the OP has the right to express his/her displeasure with the news, just as a lot of people were expressing their displeasure last week. Anet did mess up and changing a product when you have purchased it is a little unfair. However I’m happy with my extra slot. No complaints here.

Of course, they can express displeasure about whatever they want.

Whether that displeasure is reasonable is another matter. That’s the main basis of the discussion here.

Actually I was referring to the post above that sounded a little like a dig at the OP, that was all. Apologies if I mis-read that.

Jordo.5913:

Keep what you have and get those goodies and ignore the 2nd extra chr slot.

GG

Not sure if you fully understand the thread. Why should I ignore the extra character slot that I had already gotten initially? Anet gave every Vet who pre-orders HoT an extra slot, thus we Deluxe and Ultimate get 2 extra now. That wasn’t the original deal, but they had to do something because a lot of people complained. Anet tried to make it fair for everyone who didn’t purchase the pre-order, and in doing so, made it unfair to those of us who bought the high tier editions.

All I know if I didn’t buy ultimate and waited….I could have bought basic…get that 1 slot I only wanted FREE, buy 4k in gems seperately, and essentially save 10 bucks.

Before it was a complaint from people who have not spent a cent yet/vets which was understandable and I agreed 100%…..but now it’s been changed and delux/ultimate players get the short end of the stick instead. Hilarious. 10/10. Would blow 130 bucks again on misleading advertising for sure! /not

fixit.7189:

All I know if I didn’t buy ultimate and waited….I could have bought basic…get that 1 slot I only wanted FREE, buy 4k in gems seperately, and essentially save 10 bucks.

Before it was a complaint from people who have not spent a cent yet/vets which was understandable and I aggreed…..now it’s been changed and delux/ultimate players get the middle finger instead. Hilarious.

You’re going to have to explain this more clearly.

If I’m reading this correctly, you’re saying that if ANet had included the free character slot initially, you would have only purchased the base package. Then you would’ve went on to buy 4k worth of gems on top of that.

So in total, you would’ve spent $50 for the base game, and $50 for the 4k gems, for $100.

Now, given that the ultimate edition is $100 and includes all the items you wanted plus more, I’m not seeing where the basis of your complaint is. You’re arguing that ANet has given you excess value for the same price, and you want less? I’m not sure where you’re getting the $10 savings from.

I think people need to understand something here. We Deluxe and Ultimate players are the ones whose opinion should matter more. We’re the ones who purchased the high tier editions without complaining, because we saw value in the deals offered. Now that we’ve already spent our money on the editions, and Anet went and offered more freebies to everyone else, it feels like we’re getting our deals nerfed.

What Anet did was a good compromise, no doubt about it. Vet players who purchased the standard version, or who will be purchasing the standard version, will get the extra slot free. It’s a fabulous deal for this. But we paid 50% to 100% more than the players who got/are getting the standard edition, and thus if you change the value of the original deal after the purchase was made, we should have the option to retain the value we saw in the original offer.

If Anet were to just refund me $10, I’ll go and buy $10 worth of Gems with it. But due to how banking works, it’ll cost a lot of money to process those refunds, so it’s more cost efficient just credit me with Gems and take away 1 of my 2 extra slots.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

we should have the option to retain the value we saw in the original offer.

If you never use the second character slot you will have exactly the same value as you had previously. The power is yours.

Ashen.2907:

If you never use the second character slot you will have exactly the same value as you had previously. The power is yours.

But would you have bought the extra slot had you known they would give a loyalty slot free?

My biggest complaint isn’t with the slot it’s with the order of announcemnets..

Made a post about it here.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Loyalty-announcement-and-pre-order-order/first#post5190822

Smooth Penguin.5294:

We Deluxe and Ultimate players are the ones whose opinion should matter more.

While I know this is troll bait, this is still something that is a recurring attitude on the internets, so I’m going to address it.

No. Being a vet, being a new player, pre-ordering the ultra super special edition, having a name that starts with the letter C, etc. None of that makes anyone’s opinion matter more than anyone else’s. You can voice your opinion all you want, but it won’t make it any more important or valid than someone with an opposing view on things.

My mistake, I actually thought this was someone attempting to make some form of reasonable request but failing to do so, as opposed to simply instigation via trolling. I’ll be moving on now.

GuzziHero.2467:

Um no.

I dont want or need an extra character slot. I deleted toons because Anet screwed us over with Ascended, so I have loads spare. But I don’t agree with any ‘gem equivalent’.

People got what they asked for, leave it at that.

Did you read this about Ascended?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ascended-Gear-Anet-please-fix-this/first#post5173842

Ashen.2907:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

we should have the option to retain the value we saw in the original offer.

If you never use the second character slot you will have exactly the same value as you had previously. The power is yours.

No. The value changed, because now everyone gets a free slot, including me. I now have 2 extra slots due to Ultimate. I don’t want 2 slots. The extra slot that won’t be used brings down the value of the original deal. In light of this, a goodwill gesture of replacing that with more Gems would go far in my books.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Ashen.2907:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

we should have the option to retain the value we saw in the original offer.

If you never use the second character slot you will have exactly the same value as you had previously. The power is yours.

No. The value changed, because now everyone gets a free slot, including me. I now have 2 extra slots due to Ultimate. I don’t want 2 slots. The extra slot that won’t be used brings down the value of the original deal. In light of this, a goodwill gesture of replacing that with more Gems would go far in my books.

If I sell someone a candy bar they have a candy bar for the price I accepted in payment.

If I then give them a pack of gum they still have that candy bar for the price they paid, plus a pack of gum. Not desiring the pack of gum does not change the fact that they have the candy bar for the price they paid.

Do you still have everything that was included in the listed package for the listed purchase price?

Ashen.2907:

Do you still have everything that was included in the listed package for the listed purchase price?

you sure do!

but this situation is more like, I give sell someone a candy bar, I sell someone else a candy bar and a pack of gum.

I then give everyone a free pack of gum.

Would you have bought the first pack if you had known you would be given a free pack?