Guild Wars 2

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So after reading all the reply I came up two major categories why people
don’t want the dueling system. The first one being the impact to the
community and second the “balance” of the game.
1) Community Impact
People worry about player being aggressive and rude. People who are rude
will be rude, they are the types who drop “F” bombs on not just in PvP, but
in PvE as well. Example of this would be if you are new to a dungeon and
don’t know what you are doing, most player tends to be patience and would
help by teaching and explaining to you while the rude players will kick or
verbally harass you. A game feature will not turn nice and polite people to
be rude and bad mouth. People who are rude will be rude not because of a
game but because of their personal character in real life. I think GW2
community is great community and can prove that we are mature enough to
handle this.
Harassment- Some is saying players will harass other players into dueling
even if they keep rejecting and eventually have to log off. So implementing
a block duel feature would work fine, once you turn the block on players
will not have the option to invite you. Some worry about messaging
harassment, but unless I am wrong, from what I know there is a block player
feature. Once a player is block he can’t message or email you at all, you
won’t have to hear from him/her once he/she is blocked.
Map Chat full with dueling related stuff- Another easy fix, just have a duel
chat channel such as the guild or party chat, if don’t want to hear duel
related stuff just uncheck the box.
2) Balance of the game
Some of you worry about destroying the “balance” of the game. First thing
first, a duel is an agreement between 2 players to go head to toe, they have
a neutral understanding what they are going to do and understand what kind
of gear and traits they have, some might have advantage over the other, but
that’s between the two players and have nothing to do with you or PvE or the
rest of the world!
Nothing new is “balance.” Why do we have updates all the time?! When
something first come out there will always be flaws! Who actually think when
the new class “Revenant” first comes out will be 100% balance? Should we
just not have this new class or else it would destroy the balance to the
game?
The most important part! For those who don’t want dueling why the heck does
this “balance” matter to you?! Since you absolutely are not going to duel
why the heck you would care about if 2 players dueling are on even stand or
not? It’s a game feature that you will never be part of so why worry about
the flaws of it? Let other players who do like it post forums and suggestion
to make it better, and you can look for glitches in dungeon or quest to get
that improve.
GW is not like any other game. I agree GW is not like other game, but there
are many similarities between all MMORPG. Example: dungeons. I am pretty
sure GW did not come up with the idea of dungeons and is not the only game
that has dungeon. Same thing goes for trade post system. Should we take this
feature out so GW2 is now completely not like other games? There is nothing
wrong with adding a feature that other game have as long as its optional to
use and some(not all is going to like it but u can choose not to use it!)
players will like it and benefit from it.
3) Conclusion
It is frustrating to see some people just turn a blind eye to even think the
possibility, players who don’t want to this will not willing to work with
players who want this to come up with a solution which both can accept. I
finally realize that some people if they don’t want it they don’t want other
to have it also. I am Panda, I like to eat bamboos, and some might think
it’s unhealthy or unsafe. You don’t have to eat it, but don’t try to stop me
and let me eat or do what I want!
4) Solutions
-Duel in cities and places where events will not take place to stop the
possibility of event interruptions.
-Optional updates to all players who can either choose to update this or
not, player installs this update will able to duel, if you hate duels you
don’t have to install this update.
- (Permanent) Dueling ticket or pass in TP, you can buy a pass or ticket
which you can PvE duel. Nobody can force you to buy something if you don’t
want to (personally I think Anet will like this since they can make money).

Did you really have to post this twice in the two discussion forums? You’re making me a sad panda, panda.

Yeah post in in the wrong forum for the first time. this is me first time posting, ill go see if i can delete the other 1. By the the way, panda should never be sad!

BloodyPanda.6789:

Yeah post in in the wrong forum for the first time. this is me first time posting, ill go see if i can delete the other 1. By the the way, panda should never be sad!

I eat pandas soo..

badboyzpwns.9807:

BloodyPanda.6789:

Yeah post in in the wrong forum for the first time. this is me first time posting, ill go see if i can delete the other 1. By the the way, panda should never be sad!

I eat pandas soo..

He said they shouldn’t be sad, didn’t say anything about being consumed

Why do i feel like this forum is going to be more about pandas than what i was trying to suggest. should i start a new forum so we can debate on sad happy and eating pandas?

Dueling has been suggested numerous times by numerous people. It has met stiff resistance from a portion of the population.

Those who want it can’t understand why anyone would be against it or how it would affect them. Those who don’t want it feel it will negatively affect their experience and they don’t want it.

I personally don’t want it and would prefer open world dueling never be added.

Vayne.8563:

Dueling has been suggested numerous times by numerous people. It has met stiff resistance from a portion of the population.

Those who want it can’t understand why anyone would be against it or how it would affect them. Those who don’t want it feel it will negatively affect their experience and they don’t want it.

I personally don’t want it and would prefer open world dueling never be added.

I am new to forum so I did not know this was suggested before, but I still can’t see why this will have a negative impact if open world dueling is added. If open world dueling is unaccepable then maybe something like private dueling would work. Like the way u can invite friend to personal story instances? Would that work?

Vayne.8563:

Dueling has been suggested numerous times by numerous people. It has met stiff resistance from a portion of the population.

Those who want it can’t understand why anyone would be against it or how it would affect them. Those who don’t want it feel it will negatively affect their experience and they don’t want it.

I personally don’t want it and would prefer open world dueling never be added.

I’m in this camp, though I’d be totally fine with there being some sort of duel area in the spvp lobby zone, or some specific map for it, or some gemstore-bought access key to such a map or what have you.

Just not open world dueling. Do Not Want.

As Vayne said, this is a topic that has come up frequently. ANet surely knows some people want it and that many others don’t want it in the PvE area. Their answer seems to be the Custom Arenas, where you can duel there if you want.

I personally don’t want it i hope it will never be implemented.

For me Dueling will actually kill pvp mode of the game because now you dont need to go to HoTM to kill players. Hence not really a way to promote pvp. If you guys want pvp, just go to GW2’s pvp which is Heart of the Mist.

For all the benefits you stated, all I see is “bragging rights”. Not really a benefit on my personal stand.

Is it that time of the week for a dueling thread? I thought these were supposed to come out on wednesdays….

On topic. Yeah not so mucj. No open world dueling, keep it in the mists. You want to duel? Get a private server or a box of fun, or costume brawl. Just not while we are trying to corrdinate teq or something.

Coordinate Teq?

I’ve seen everything from Box o’ Fun to people wandering over the commanders using Mordrem Thrasher tonics. In addition, there is usually a lengthy conversation going on in “say” that is way more distracting than if someone wandered a few feet from the zerg to duel. Also, people build bloodlust stacks by killing the mobs there, so it’s not like skills aren’t in use.

Personally, I’d be happy to see dueling implemented with the following:

• In cities, only in a designated area (like in the Black Citadel arena)
• With a “Block Duel Invitations” option — the default should be that Block Duel Invitations is On. Those who want to duel could then just turn “Block Duel Invitations” to Off.

There was a convention interview with the Game Director over a year ago in which he said that dueling is something they’d like to add. However, I haven’t seen anything since. Also, iirc, Custom arenas were added afterwards, so I do not know if there is any thought on ANet’s part that paid arenas trump a free dueling feature.

Edit: I can see that the OP is interpreting this post as my advocating dueling in cities only. I’m not, I think it would be fine in open world. The reason I’d limit it to specific locations in cities is for the same reasons you cannot duel in Orgrimmar — people in a city may be conducting business, RPing or w/ever and might be disturbed. Since combat takes place all the time in the open world, I would certainly have no more trouble tuning out two fighting players than I would a player fighting mobs.

I would love open world dueling, but I can appreciate why others wouldn’t.

That being said, dueling on current servers is no equivalent since there is no countdown. from what i’ve seen, it’s usually duel begins after both parties /salute. In practice, this becomes one person salutes, the other guy starts to salute and gets belted in the face.

What I would really like to see is a duel game type added to pvp. 10 player max. 2 get chosen at random to duel, everyone else observes. Winner stays, loser goes back in queue. First to 10 wins takes map. Even better if elites aren’t allowed because power balanced by having a 2-3 minute cooldown is pretty much OP in a fight that lasts less than 2 minutes. (supply crate, among others)

I can see how it will effect open world events, so I take back entire open world option. But I agree with indigo, I really don’t see the harm if you are able to do this in cities since no events or anything is going on . Also open dueling in hotm lobby should b added, Pratice with friends or guildie is much more better than with those npc. As for custom arena… Seriously who want to spend that much gold for a limited time thing

. I dont see why some people dont want dueling in gw2. It’s a feature present in most mmorpgs and not an issue in any of them.

It would add something to do, it would add more options for roleplay, it would be fun.

It cannot be more abused than the chat, so if you dont want any sort of abuse in this game, please ask anet to erase the chat and other players, while you are at it.

My summary of the other 1000 dueling threads:

Lishtenbird.2814:

[~] Threads for reference:

• Why is there still no dueling?
• PvE Dueling
• Why is there No Dueling and no Trading
• Really need a dueling menu

[+] Arguments in favour:

• That other game has it; we’ve seen it done there and enjoyed it.
• Dueling is for fun, not for leaderboards.
• Dueling is a great way to pass time, while waiting either for a queue or other things.
• Dueling is a way to get to know someone, without them even speaking.
• Dueling allows players to get to know themselves, as well as their builds.
• Custom arenas are unintuitive and cost money.
• We want our gear to matter in duels because we worked for it.
• To deal with duel harassment, make duels voluntary, give an option to hide/ignore duel requests.

[-] Arguments against:

• GW2 is not that other game. Dueling in GW2 is like that eternal fight between a whale and an elephant, because GW2 was designed with class synergy in mind: different classes with different damage, control and utility skills, combo fields, AoE sharing (and stripping) boons and conditions. That’s why PvP has the 5v5 structure, and the objective is to hold points, and not kill each other.
• Since dueling is not a supported game mode, it is natural that the available method to duel (custom arena) has inconveniences.
• Your gear stats will be normalized, as the design behind GW2 says that sports-like competition is about skills and not credit cards.
• No matter how you hide it through options, people will always find a way to annoy you in say chat, map chat and even whispers (like they do in WvW). The best way to prevent this is not to have dueling at all.
• Dueling would cause either a class balance disaster or a community disaster. There are already more than enough community complaints about mesmers and thiefs which caused them to be nerfed so hard because of PvP that playing in PvE became meh, and making it even worse because of a game mode which wasn’t designed to exist in the first place would feel wrong for players maining these classes.
• People who duel have a negative attitude towards everyone else. We do not want to see dueling in a PvE environment as it will bring uneasiness and unsafety, which contradicts the philosophy of GW2’s PvE.

[=] Current state of affairs:

• “Dueling” threads are often met with negativity, both because this is a sensitive topic and because it has been discussed countless times. Still, new “dueling” threads appear every now and then, showing that there are players who are actively wanting to discuss the addition of dueling.

Lishtenbird.2814:

• GW2 is not that other game. GW2 is a cooperative game, not a competitive game: you don’t compete over loot, nodes and such. For competition, we have two options: sPvP and WvW. If current PvP/WvW game modes are not enough, you can always suggest new ones, but in the boundaries of competitive areas.
• Open world PvP is detrimental. Different kinds of players exist: those who prefer fair and healthy competition, and those who prefer fierce and unhealthy competition. The first are usually peaceful non-hardcore teenagers and casual grown-up players (which turn out to be the target audience for which GW2 was actually designed in the first place, with all the timidness of content, failproofness and cooperativeness in mind), and the latter are usually aggressive teenagers who are using online games as a sublimation for unsatisfied offline desires of being “better” than others, while not being constrained by offline moral and law limits. This usually leads to offensive behaviour, which can already be seen in both PvP and WvW (with as far as death threat whispers); such things are not tolerated in GW2. Open world PvP attracts the second type of players, and since many mature players already live a moderately risky life, they see their games as a comfort zone to rest in, and not a war zone similar to life, and want GW2 to stay as is.

Lishtenbird.2814:

• A lot of people feel that GW2 is a casual friendly cooperative game which was not designed to have open world PvP, and they want it to remain that way. For competition, sPvP and WvW modes were included in the game. New PvP/WvW game modes, including GvG, with separate large maps, are discussed as valid options.

Another thread about PvP community.

naiasonod.9265:

Vayne.8563:

Dueling has been suggested numerous times by numerous people. It has met stiff resistance from a portion of the population.

Those who want it can’t understand why anyone would be against it or how it would affect them. Those who don’t want it feel it will negatively affect their experience and they don’t want it.

I personally don’t want it and would prefer open world dueling never be added.

I’m in this camp, though I’d be totally fine with there being some sort of duel area in the spvp lobby zone, or some specific map for it, or some gemstore-bought access key to such a map or what have you.

Just not open world dueling. Do Not Want.

I don’t get it.

I tried many MMORPG to find where these hostile open world duelers are. I can’t find them. I found duelers, but so far I seen only respectful ones.

runeblade.7514:

I tried many MMORPG to find where these hostile open world duelers are. I can’t find them. I found duelers, but so far I seen only respectful ones.

YMMV.

Those PvP fellows who get banned occasionally do not think they’re “rude” either.

There is a practice mode in Heart of the mist right? you can practice there, dont need another feature just to add duel mode in pve for pvp..

For those of you who want to pvp, just go to pvp mode. If you want to add duel still, push it as an additional mode in PVP not in PVE

That’s what the Mists are for. Otherwise? Still Do not want.

Lishtenbird.2814:

runeblade.7514:

I tried many MMORPG to find where these hostile open world duelers are. I can’t find them. I found duelers, but so far I seen only respectful ones.

YMMV.

Those PvP fellows who get banned occasionally do not think they’re “rude” either.

I spent many days, idling around goldshire, which people recommended me where the hostile duelers are, so I was there waiting and declining duels. Still no hostile duelers. I did not get a single rude message or “you’re so scared.” Instead, they moved on. Sometimes, I eventually sent duel requests. Sometimes I win, and they said gg and moved on. I never heard a single rude remark from them whenever I win or lose.

“Obnoxious aggressive teenagers that demands to duel with you no matter what” is probably a thing in the past. Or it is a very rare event in the first place, and people over-exaggerated on how dreadful it is.

My mileage may vary, but I went very far to find out if I could be wrong. So far, I couldn’t prove myself wrong.

Lishtenbird.2814:

[-] Arguments against:

• GW2 is not that other game. Dueling in GW2 is like that eternal fight between a whale and an elephant, because GW2 was designed with class synergy in mind: different classes with different damage, control and utility skills, combo fields, AoE sharing (and stripping) boons and conditions. That’s why PvP has the 5v5 structure, and the objective is to hold points, and not kill each other. I don’t see how this relevant to dueling at all.
• Since dueling is not a supported game mode, it is natural that the available method to duel (custom arena) has inconveniences. Which should be a pro-dueling argument.
• Your gear stats will be normalized, as the design behind GW2 says that sports-like competition is about skills and not credit cards. Then they would remove WvW. Dueling is no different than WvW roaming and finding another WvW roamer.
• No matter how you hide it through options, people will always find a way to annoy you in say chat, map chat and even whispers (like they do in WvW). The best way to prevent this is not to have dueling at all. So far, my waiting and declining duels in Goldshire and other MMORPG says this is wrong. It might be a thing in the past, or a overexaggerated experience.
• Dueling would cause either a class balance disaster or a community disaster. There are already more than enough community complaints about mesmers and thiefs which caused them to be nerfed so hard because of PvP that playing in PvE became meh, and making it even worse because of a game mode which wasn’t designed to exist in the first place would feel wrong for players maining these classes. People complain no matter what. If useless complaints matters, then ANet would add nothing. People will complain even if a feature is downright beneficial.
• People who duel have a negative attitude towards everyone else. We do not want to see dueling in a PvE environment as it will bring uneasiness and unsafety, which contradicts the philosophy of GW2’s PvE. So far, my waiting and declining duels in Goldshire and other MMORPG says this is wrong.

BloodyPanda.6789:

I can see how it will effect open world events, so I take back entire open world option. But I agree with indigo, I really don’t see the harm if you are able to do this in cities since no events or anything is going on . Also open dueling in hotm lobby should b added, Pratice with friends or guildie is much more better than with those npc. As for custom arena… Seriously who want to spend that much gold for a limited time thing

I can’t see how it will effect open world events.

If done right, it would do nothing. Let say a dueling is done in a event, if they accidentally attack a mob, it would help complete the event. Now, if a dueler has a way to grief a event, it would be no different than an afker griefing an event.

runeblade.7514:

BloodyPanda.6789:

I can see how it will effect open world events, so I take back entire open world option. But I agree with indigo, I really don’t see the harm if you are able to do this in cities since no events or anything is going on . Also open dueling in hotm lobby should b added, Pratice with friends or guildie is much more better than with those npc. As for custom arena… Seriously who want to spend that much gold for a limited time thing

I can’t see how it will effect open world events.

If done right, it would do nothing. Let say a dueling is done in a event, if they accidentally attack a mob, it would help complete the event. Now, if a dueler has a way to grief a event, it would be no different than an afker griefing an event.

Or they could opt for the simplest solution that’s proven itself to be utterly effective at making dueling not be a problem and foster no problems at all.

That solution is already in place. There is no dueling. There’s a fairly good chance there never will be.

I would love open world Duels because it would kill the boredom of waiting for Events, you would always habe something fun to do – a reason that is not mentioned in above summary.

They could add a diclaimer about class Balance, they should also definitely make it possible to block Duelling-Requests.

I never experience harrasment associated with Dueling in any MMOPRG.
(Only ~twice in WoW-Classic, where you could not block Dueling-Invitations.)
And every good player knows, that PvP-SKill =/ PvE-Skill.
So you do not have to be afraid of loosing your virtual **** by not allowing Duels.
If anyone ever asks (which is not as likely as you might think) just say “I am not interested in PvP” and be done with it.

TamTiTam.9574:

I would love open world Duels because it would kill the boredom of waiting for Events, you would always habe something fun to do – a reason that is not mentioned in above summary.

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Lishtenbird.2814:

• Dueling is a great way to pass time, while waiting either for a queue or other things.

But apart from Tequatl and Wurm, how many events actually require waiting? AFKing in DT and SW waiting for others to do the job?

runeblade, I remember your posts from another topics and I see you disregarding valid points here as well, so I don’t think we can have a fruitful discussion.

I’ve noticed occasionally NPCs will, well, duel, usually as a way to practice their skills (“sparring”, charr seem to particularly like it). And then we already have costume brawls, which are effectively impromptu PvP free-for-alls with… joke skills, I guess, but still. They’re in open-world too – not used that much unless there’s a daily, but still used. So I’m not sure this is totally out-of-place anymore.

Maybe dueling could be based on that. You want to duel somebody, you purchase or craft an item… specifically, a pair of items. You consume one, you mail the other to the other person and when they consume it, you’re in your own private duel – you’re the only players in the instance who can damage each other. Requires consent, obviously, and if you have to pay a few silver to initiate a duel you’re probably going to be a little selective about who you invite. And it’s lightweight, doesn’t require more UI, etc…

Hey, Valentine’s Day is coming up, maybe the item could be halves of a chocolate heart?

naiasonod.9265:

Or they could opt for the simplest solution that’s proven itself to be utterly effective at making dueling not be a problem and foster no problems at all.

That solution is already in place. There is no dueling. There’s a fairly good chance there never will be.

Yes! That solution can be implemented in all aspects of the game, BTW.

Poorly balanced pvp? let’s get rid of pvp and end the player discomfort.

Boring dungeons? Let’s not add new dungeons, so players will not complain.

Chat abuse? let’s get rid of the chat. Why not? it only saddens players.

People complaining about poor loot? No loot at all! now every time you kill a mob, it awards you zero (0) loot, so you will not feel you have bad luck because that other guy got his fourth precursor.

People discontent with their server in WVW and needing to WVW for 100% map completion? let’s kill that game mode! And also kill rewards for map completion while we are at it.

As a matter of fact, let’s bring down the servers. People will play other games where they can complain about all the things that can potentially be not 100% perfect for the 100% of the player base. You included.

Really, it puzzles me to see such negativity towards change, and the addition of new things that have zero potential to alter your gameplay.

Thanks bird, for summing up all the arguments against in a single post, so i can express why they wouldn’t be an issue also in a single post:

Lishtenbird.2814:

[-] Arguments against:

• GW2 is not that other game. Dueling in GW2 is like that eternal fight between a whale and an elephant, because GW2 was designed with class synergy in mind: different classes with different damage, control and utility skills, combo fields, AoE sharing (and stripping) boons and conditions. That’s why PvP has the 5v5 structure, and the objective is to hold points, and not kill each other.

Most of my battles in pvp are 1on1, as when i am holding a point and a guy comes to take it, or i try to take a point from one guy. If he or me get help, then that’s an unfair mini fight and of course no one balances a game or expects somebody to consistently win against 2 foes. Dueling wouldn’t be a meassure of who is best. Always, when dueling, people take into account the class they are playing against, and can learn the most effective way to neutralize it.

Lishtenbird.2814:

• Your gear stats will be normalized, as the design behind GW2 says that sports-like competition is about skills and not credit cards.

No problem if it is, no problem if it is not. Actually, normalizing gear would make it great practice, not doing it would still make it worthwhile for role playing purposes.

Lishtenbird.2814:

• No matter how you hide it through options, people will always find a way to annoy you in say chat, map chat and even whispers (like they do in WvW). The best way to prevent this is not to have dueling at all.

People can still annoy you with chat, map chat, and even whispers. Because, well, they can use chat, map chat, and whispers. It doesn’t have anything to do with dueling being implemented or not. If you have anything against verbal abuse, hide the chat. Dueling, I repeat, has nothing to do with the chat.

Lishtenbird.2814:

• Dueling would cause either a class balance disaster or a community disaster. There are already more than enough community complaints about mesmers and thiefs which caused them to be nerfed so hard because of PvP that playing in PvE became meh, and making it even worse because of a game mode which wasn’t designed to exist in the first place would feel wrong for players maining these classes.

No. As dueling would not be a measure for anything, it wouldn’t cause any problem. Mesmers and thieves were nerfed because they could tear down any class and they can still do it, which is the reason the celestial meta exists in pvp (all classes needing to be tanky to survive the rage of a thief).

Lishtenbird.2814:

• People who duel have a negative attitude towards everyone else. We do not want to see dueling in a PvE environment as it will bring uneasiness and unsafety, which contradicts the philosophy of GW2’s PvE.

I never encountered anyone dueling with a negative attitude towards anyone in wow, as those people tend to be ignored and cannot find anyone to duel with in the first place.

Also, there are people with negative attitudes in all game modes in Guild Wars 2. Yes, your terribly friendly cooperative game is full of griefers that jump at you at the first chance they get. The fact this game limits their possibilities to jump at you doesn’t mean that they are any less kittenholes. A good example was the rata sum farm. But there’s also people abusing others in map chat in world events, dungeons, spvp, wvwvw, you name it. Dueling doesn’t have anything to do with it.

By the way, i would really, REALLY like to know how many of the people against dueling have actually tried it in other games, and how many of those have received consistently abuse from other players due to dueling.

Sorry for the long post.

As for the reasons in favor, i only have a few:

- cool for more roleplaying options
- cool for practicing against other classes (that’s cooperative, yes, the other guy helps you to improve by dueling with you).
- very good for teaching people wanting to learn in a more relaxed environment (see? more coop)
- the mists are not a good place to hang out: it makes the rest of the world empty of pvpers. (yet more cooperative! i care about tyria not being empty)
- it would add more possibilities to an open world that really has too few.

oh, i would like to add that i rarely dueled in wow, because i roleplayed or raided all the time. And only did it while roleplaying, so it wouldn’t change my life if they added it, but it would certainly give more rp options in a game that offers you almost zero ways to interact with other players.

I know a lot of people who support dueling don’t understand. Guild Wars 2 has, for the most part, always drawn a strong, strong line between PvP and PvE. That’s in both Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2. There are many reasons for that wall.

The same time of people who want dueling are often the same type of people who love PvP. It’s competitive, not cooperative. The normal sledging that goes on in PvP (you don’t have to look far to see it) is not normal in PvE in this game and there are those of us who enjoy PvE don’t want that normal sledging around.

I’d be happy to see arenas in the open world that I can avoid if I want, that allow people to beat the hell out of each other. But anyone who says dedicated PvPers have the same manners and attitudes of dedicated PvEer’s, I’m not sure what to say to them.

PvPers in other games call PvE’ers carebears for a reason and it’s not usually said as a term of endearment. We’ve been told, by PvPers to go back to hello kitty online and other stuff. As an aside, raiders also treat us non-competitive carebears the same way.

So you might say man up and deal with it. Many of us are playing this specific game NOT to deal with it. We bought the game for that reason. We didn’t have to deal with it in Guild Wars 1, why should we have to here.

Again, dedicated areas/arenas, no worries. Anywhere in the open world. Just no.

Vayne.8563:

Again, dedicated areas/arenas, no worries. Anywhere in the open world. Just no.

The Bane in the Black Citadel seems like a solid choice.

AdaephonDelat.3890:

Vayne.8563:

Again, dedicated areas/arenas, no worries. Anywhere in the open world. Just no.

The Bane in the Black Citadel seems like a solid choice.

That’d be my idea of a good place to put such a thing. My chiefest worry is that people would invariably start crying about how things aren’t balanced around 1v1, and people’d find out which classes and specific builds trash everything else in 1v1, then the ‘ANET Y U LET THIEF ANNIHILATE ERRBODY’ and ‘D/D ELE NEEDS NERF NAO OMG’ and ‘OMG ENGINEER 1-SHOT ME Y U NO FIX ANET?!’ threads would pour like tears in a bad daycare center.

I suspect it also wouldn’t please those that really just want to be crappy RPers that go around starting crap with people and being all ‘no text fite duel meh’, or generally just being annoying everywhere people gather.

The statue of dwayna in Divinity’s Reach? Oh yeah. That’d be duel central.

naiasonod.9265:

runeblade.7514:

BloodyPanda.6789:

I can see how it will effect open world events, so I take back entire open world option. But I agree with indigo, I really don’t see the harm if you are able to do this in cities since no events or anything is going on . Also open dueling in hotm lobby should b added, Pratice with friends or guildie is much more better than with those npc. As for custom arena… Seriously who want to spend that much gold for a limited time thing

I can’t see how it will effect open world events.

If done right, it would do nothing. Let say a dueling is done in a event, if they accidentally attack a mob, it would help complete the event. Now, if a dueler has a way to grief a event, it would be no different than an afker griefing an event.

Or they could opt for the simplest solution that’s proven itself to be utterly effective at making dueling not be a problem and foster no problems at all.

That solution is already in place. There is no dueling. There’s a fairly good chance there never will be.

Agree that they currently have a great system to prevent dualing harassment.

ITT: A lot of paranoia over a pretty harmless feature.
Harassment, you say? Hello automatic decline option.
I would duel from time to time on Lotro, and I was on pvp servers in tera…and truth be told, I cannot understand this anti-duel attittude for the life of me.
Wtf are ppl so afraid of.
Sense. There isn’t any~

People are not afraid, people have been annoyed. You can duel now. Go have fun, be brave.

KarlaGrey.5903:

ITT: A lot of paranoia over a pretty harmless feature.
Harassment, you say? Hello automatic decline option.
I would duel from time to time on Lotro, and I was on pvp servers in tera…and truth be told, I cannot understand this anti-duel attittude for the life of me.
Wtf are ppl so afraid of.
Sense. There isn’t any~

Right the dozens of people that are against it have no sense because you disagree with it. But there is sense to it. It’s sense born of our personal experiences. You can’t make sense of it if you didn’t have those experiences.

But that doesn’t mean that we don’t have sense. There are too many people against it for all of us not to be making sense. Though I understand that you don’t get it, that doesn’t mean there isn’t something to get.

I don’t really like pvp and wvw, but I would like to have an option for duels in open PvE.
Mainly because I don’t like to chase almost dying players to finish them off, but duels feels (to me at least) something more dignified. You are face to face with your opponent and both agree to test your skills. It’s not like “Oh look that passing by ele with 5hp left! Let’s finish him, zerg follow me!”.

Obviously there should be an option to disable it, and about the immature players, that I believe are a minor portion of the population, yes they COULD try to bother you, if so just ignore them (or report them if you really feel it is needed).
Anyone can say what the kitten they want to me (just like I’m free to report them), in the end it doesn’t matter at all what they say as long as they can’t interfere with what I’m doing.

They call names in mapchat? Then what? Are they threatening my reputation in an online game? I laugh at them. Duels in PvE are not what will change PvE.
The community here is far better than in other mmo and that’s because many of the core gamers bought and buy the game knowing it was/is a cooperative mmo.

About the balance, watch a few duels in pvp using the spectator mode, before saying it’s not possible. Any class can beat any class as long as you’re using the right build and have the ability to counter your opponent.

In my opinion duels would just be a feature and PvE would continue to evolve in a cooperative direction as always if devs will continue to provide that kind of content.

Guild Wars 2 is a #safespace, full of people who think that others engaging in a duel will somehow affect them, or that the feature of dueling will automatically make people more aggressive and hostile (and thus somehow pull into question their manliness / womanliness? I don’t know!). Apparently the concept of being able to auto-refuse duels escapes many players.

We must get these nasty thought of competitive play out of our heads! They are doubleplusungood! Keep these thoughts to the prescribed areas where smokers and gymbros skulk!

(I’m pro-dueling, because I played that other game since release and settling an argument over class dynamics with a good old duel was absolutely perfect. Plus people requesting to duel me never made me feel… hahah, unsafe)

Well, it seems i need to explain it a little more. Sorry, english is not my first language and probably it leads to my posts being misunderstood.

The way I see it, it’s perfectly understandable that you have your gripes with dueling. You can say: hey, map chat would be overflowed (it can be avoided limiting the zones in which people can duel) or some people can be kitten when they win or loose (we have the code of conduct for that, and the bans for abusers) or “i don’t want to decline duels 90% of my time” (can also be prevented by having a status you can turn on or off, which automatically ignores duel invitations).

Those are perfectly understandable gripes, and when you voice them, you are giving developers a clue of what they should take into account when adding new features to the game, IF they add them. That’s actually a very worthy contribution!

But, if you say: no. I don’t want dueling because there will be abusers (so you are simply ignoring the developer’s ability to overcome that issue). That’s as destructive a criticism as there can possibly be: it works towards preventing new features from even being added!

It gets even worse when people flood the forums each time somebody asks for something new, resort to name calling, get the posts closed.

Everything they have added to the game had lovers and haters (all of them with their reasons). What if anet would have listened to the haters and decided to not add anything new? We would have a much less complete game.

Your will to compromise is actually the kind of opinion i think we should see more in the forums: you expose your problem, propose a solution. There. in the future, if you ever decide to come by one of those dueling zones, you may find it fun and meet nice people. You will certainly not be able to do so if Anet does nothing about dueling.

If anet decides that they couldn’t possibly make it work, or it would cause too many problems they don’t have the resources to contain, and then they don’t add the feature, at least the case was given some thought!

There, I hope my other comment doesn’t seem so strange now.

in the GW2 forum, every day is “groundhog day”.

nosleepdemon.1368:

Guild Wars 2 is a #safespace, full of people who think that others engaging in a duel will somehow affect them, or that the feature of dueling will automatically make people more aggressive and hostile (and thus somehow pull into question their manliness / womanliness? I don’t know!). Apparently the concept of being able to auto-refuse duels escapes many players.

We must get these nasty thought of competitive play out of our heads! They are doubleplusungood! Keep these thoughts to the prescribed areas where smokers and gymbros skulk!

(I’m pro-dueling, because I played that other game since release and settling an argument over class dynamics with a good old duel was absolutely perfect. Plus people requesting to duel me never made me feel… hahah, unsafe)

why are you citing 1984 in this frame of reference? Did you actually read the book and not understand anything in there or did you never read it and just pick up the phrase somewhere?

Unfortunately, in my experience in games where open world dueling exists, it works something like this:

Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: C’mon Wuss duel me!
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: Why won’t you duel?!? It’s because you know I’m gonna (insert expletive here) you.
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: Wuss. You’re worthless, you shouldn’t even be playing this game, what are you afraid of, having your pixelated butt land in the dust? DUEL ME!
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: Logout

That is how having open world dueling effects me.

I sincerely hope the PvP developers will spend their time improving PvP in the zones that are created for it, making the world a better place for PvP’ers and not spend their time developing PvP in the open world making it WORSE for people who do not want to engage.

Aenesthesia.1697:

Well, it seems i need to explain it a little more. Sorry, english is not my first language and probably it leads to my posts being misunderstood.

The way I see it, it’s perfectly understandable that you have your gripes with dueling. You can say: hey, map chat would be overflowed (it can be avoided limiting the zones in which people can duel) or some people can be kitten when they win or loose (we have the code of conduct for that, and the bans for abusers) or “i don’t want to decline duels 90% of my time” (can also be prevented by having a status you can turn on or off, which automatically ignores duel invitations).

Those are perfectly understandable gripes, and when you voice them, you are giving developers a clue of what they should take into account when adding new features to the game, IF they add them. That’s actually a very worthy contribution!

But, if you say: no. I don’t want dueling because there will be abusers (so you are simply ignoring the developer’s ability to overcome that issue). That’s as destructive a criticism as there can possibly be: it works towards preventing new features from even being added!

It gets even worse when people flood the forums each time somebody asks for something new, resort to name calling, get the posts closed.

Everything they have added to the game had lovers and haters (all of them with their reasons). What if anet would have listened to the haters and decided to not add anything new? We would have a much less complete game.

Your will to compromise is actually the kind of opinion i think we should see more in the forums: you expose your problem, propose a solution. There. in the future, if you ever decide to come by one of those dueling zones, you may find it fun and meet nice people. You will certainly not be able to do so if Anet does nothing about dueling.

If anet decides that they couldn’t possibly make it work, or it would cause too many problems they don’t have the resources to contain, and then they don’t add the feature, at least the case was given some thought!

There, I hope my other comment doesn’t seem so strange now.

I don’t feel that this is a developer issue at all. I believe people who like those features, tend to like more competitive gaming. More competitive gaming often comes with more testosterone. More sledging. More baiting. More anger. The people who want this most tend to be more competitive, and in my opinion, younger players who like that sort of thing.

I’m an older player and I don’t only not like that sort of thing but I don’t like any of the sorts of things that come with it. No, I don’t think the devs can control human nature. It’s a different crowd.

I don’t PvP much because I don’t like the attitude of many (not most but many) PvPers. Enough of them to ruin that experience for me. I don’t think duelers are going to be any different on the whole.

I can avoid PvP by not entering PvP unless I feel like dealing with that, which I can in small doses. I don’t need that crap following me all over the world. I find it irritating.

Is this a problem I believe devs can handle. Nope, I don’t. Any more than they can stop people from leeching at events, which also annoys the hell out of me.

Aye.8392:

Unfortunately, in my experience in games where open world dueling exists, it works something like this:

Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: C’mon Wuss duel me!
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: Why won’t you duel?!? It’s because you know I’m gonna (insert expletive here) you.
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: auto-decline
Badkitten: Wuss. You’re worthless, you shouldn’t even be playing this game, what are you afraid of, having your pixelated butt land in the dust? DUEL ME!
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Me: Logout

Yeah, it could potentially happen, unless the game temporarily blocked someone who has invited you to a duel from whispering you for, say, 3 minutes.

Then it would work like this:

Badkitten: Invite to duel
Game: the user you are trying to duel with doens’t wish to be bothered
Badkitten: Invite to duel
Game: ask the user to toggle duel block off, if he wants to duel with you.
Badkitten: C’mon Wuss duel me!
Game: The user you are trying to reach is off line.

From your side it would look like this:

See?

You wanna duel? There is a button at the top of the screen that says PvP

The ONLY reason you want open world dueling is to pick on players who do not PvP or because you want to use your shiny PvE gear

PvP with people who want to PvP

I still think the gem store dueling flag would cover most objections. 1000 gems, infinite number of uses.

It’s a gem store item that you have to buy and double click to turn on and off. Clicking it on makes you obviously flagged and makes available a duel invite option. If someone doesn’t have this item they can’t duel so harassing someone who is a non dueler is pointless.

Vayne.8563:

Is this a problem I believe devs can handle. Nope, I don’t. Any more than they can stop people from leeching at events, which also annoys the hell out of me.

hey, give the developers some credit. You are just one guy with your ideas of what could be done to make it work. They are a bunch, and it’s their job. They can possibly come up with any number of ways to keep all that unwanted testosterone from pouring into your world

Aenesthesia.1697:

Vayne.8563:

Is this a problem I believe devs can handle. Nope, I don’t. Any more than they can stop people from leeching at events, which also annoys the hell out of me.

hey, give the developers some credit. You are just one guy with your ideas of what could be done to make it work. They are a bunch, and it’s their job. They can possibly come up with any number of ways to keep all that unwanted testosterone from pouring into your world

Because that’s worked in other games. lol

Seriously, you can change game features all you want, but you’re not going to keep out the trolls. The best you can do is minimize the damage they cause.

I have a great deal of respect for the devs of this game, but you really can’t change human nature.

Algreg.3629:

nosleepdemon.1368:

Guild Wars 2 is a #safespace, full of people who think that others engaging in a duel will somehow affect them, or that the feature of dueling will automatically make people more aggressive and hostile (and thus somehow pull into question their manliness / womanliness? I don’t know!). Apparently the concept of being able to auto-refuse duels escapes many players.

We must get these nasty thought of competitive play out of our heads! They are doubleplusungood! Keep these thoughts to the prescribed areas where smokers and gymbros skulk!

(I’m pro-dueling, because I played that other game since release and settling an argument over class dynamics with a good old duel was absolutely perfect. Plus people requesting to duel me never made me feel… hahah, unsafe)

why are you citing 1984 in this frame of reference? Did you actually read the book and not understand anything in there or did you never read it and just pick up the phrase somewhere?

You’re obviously a smart man, you figure it out! (although I don’t know why you’re bringing the theory of relativity into this; did you study physics and never understand a thing in those books or did you just pick up the term somewhere?)