Guild Wars 2

JoeytheHutt.1742:

I honestly dont get why so many have this champtrainhate. If you dont like it, dont do it? A few times I have seen some drama about the zerg think they “own” the champs, when someone (haters?) go around killing outside the train, but nothing serious. I’ve seen way more drama elsewhere.
And if champtrains is a problem, nerfing champs will not solve the problem, just move it on to something else.
Higher droprates overall, slightly better loot on vets than standard mobs, better rewards on de’s, sonespesific armor/weapon drops are things I believe would make more people wandering about.
But as long as farming gold to buy stuff is seen as easier and more effective than farming the stuff directly, (and it probably has to be this way because Anet depends on people buying gold), zergs/champtrains will always be there in some form.

I’d be happy if they moved it out of a starter zone. It’s a terrible introduction to the game for people just starting out, and some of those minor incidents you’re referring to can really put new players off.

Nage.1520:

JoeytheHutt.1742:

I honestly dont get why so many have this champtrainhate. If you dont like it, dont do it? A few times I have seen some drama about the zerg think they “own” the champs, when someone (haters?) go around killing outside the train, but nothing serious. I’ve seen way more drama elsewhere.
And if champtrains is a problem, nerfing champs will not solve the problem, just move it on to something else.
Higher droprates overall, slightly better loot on vets than standard mobs, better rewards on de’s, sonespesific armor/weapon drops are things I believe would make more people wandering about.
But as long as farming gold to buy stuff is seen as easier and more effective than farming the stuff directly, (and it probably has to be this way because Anet depends on people buying gold), zergs/champtrains will always be there in some form.

I’d be happy if they moved it out of a starter zone. It’s a terrible introduction to the game for people just starting out, and some of those minor incidents you’re referring to can really put new players off.

I agree somewhat, and I know of people that didnt dare to join the train because they thought it was only for high end people. Shame on the Train. But then again it is very nice to see a lvl 80 tag up, giving wp’s, offering to run by foot with those who hasnt been there yet, explaing how it works and so on. It is how every train should be, in my eyes. But people are people, and will always be people.
In the end I do think its good that high lvl’s have something to do in the startersone, perhaps there are better ways than champs. Though I still remember my first behe and the very nice high lvl who ressed me and told me what to do

I’d like to thank everyone who’s posted a reply to this thread, whether or not they knew why I made this post.

So full disclosure, I don’t hate champ trains at all, but I wanted to form a parody that would shine light on some of the anger and negativity that surrounds a completely different topic, which is the dungeon meta.

Many of you astutely noticed that I didn’t mention the subject ‘til the last line. And the rhetoric that I was imitating are common phrases that people post when they are upset that the meta doesn’t include the build they want to play.

“Abusing mechanics”, “Exploiting”, “New players coming across these elitists”, “What to kill, what not to kill”, “I play how I want”, “Play the game as intended. For fun.” Nobody wants to hear these phrases being told to them. As someone who strives and has fun excelling in dungeoneering, I read this all the time on the forums. And the advice and reactions that us dungeon delvers give usually reflects what you all have given to me. Consider each of these responses when talking about berserkers gear, skipping, stacking, using active defenses in dungeons.

Swagger.1459:

I don’t care either way, but using the the word exploit is pretty lol worthy.

Angelica Dream.7103:

Actually DigitalKirinpeople who say these things comes off as the elitist.
“Play the way I want you to play”

ZergZerker people bought the game too, and should be able to play how it is fun for them. It sounds boring to zergzerk all day, but if that is what they want it really does not harm anyone. Live and let live.

I could not agree more with this one. When people waltz into the dungeon forum and say that people need to stop exploiting by skipping/stacking, we always suggest they form their own parties and Live and let Live. Alas, some people cannot be deterred from the idea that ANet needs to do something about these “exploiters”.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

I think he’s just someone who didn’t like Champ farmsthe dungeon meta, then when they get nerfed tries to be as inflammatory as possible towards the people who liked them.

So true, right? People crow about how zerker being nerfed is proof positive that using this gear is an exploit. Such a callous thing to do, right?

Anyways, I hope you are really able to smile about this, and I hope I’ve brought some perspective to an issue that concerns me. Whether you enjoy the current meta game for dungeons or not, I hope this has been enlightening. I hope you enjoy your gaming, whether it be Champ Trains, WvW karma trains, running dungeons, or whatever else. See you all in game!