Guild Wars 2

Vayne.8563:

kitten .9460:

Vayne.8563:

aspirine.6852:

How can they even compete with something like that.

Until WoW is free to play, a lot of people won’t play it, period. But that aside, do you realize how many people simply don’t like WoW..

You say this all the time but it has no relevance to the discussion. We are comparing content here, your blind hate towards WoW and its subscription model is not needed Mr. ANet #1 fanboy

If we compare players then WoW has about 10x what GW2 has, don’t even try telling me 3mill still play GW2. Blizz has the numbers to back their game, the proof is in the pudding! The xpac is only going to expand that number.

I say this all the time because it’s true. A lot of people hate WoW. The are probably more people who have left WOW never to look back than are currently playing. But even in the beginning a lot of people simply didn’t like it.

So you’ve got two things. Some people won’t play a sub game period and some people don’t like that style of game. It’s completely 100% irrelevant that some do.

I mean a whole lot of people watch Big Brother, but that’s not going to stop other shows from doing business. A whole lot of people eat at McDonalds, but there are plenty of steak houses still doing business.

You seem to think I’m saying Guild Wars 2 will be as popular as WoW, which I’ve never said. I’m saying there are ENOUGH people that don’t like WoW who simply won’t play it, no matter what….enough people who like Guild Wars 2.

That’s my opinion.

Yeah you are right. Some people don’t like WoW just because it’s popular. Then some people feel the need the need to hate WoW.

You are also correct that a there are quite a few of them playing WoW. You can see that in the forums whenever something gets suggested and people are heavily against it but when you really start asking why disputing all there so called reasons it turns out the real reason is “Because WoW”. No mounts because WoW, no raids because WoW, no trinity because WoW and not only some of the players are like that, also Anet seems to be in the business of doing things different for the sake of doing them different.

Not just because it’s good but because it’s different just like many of those WoW haters, hate WoW just because they want to hate WoW not because of any true valid reasons.

However personally I see this as one of the 3 main core problems of GW2. (I made a thread about that in fact https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Problem-of-being-different-for-the-sake-of-it/ )

They are trying so hard to be different and are even stubborn about it if something clearly does not work.

You see it as a positive thing to cater to the WoW haters but I see it as a negative because if another game does something (don’t have to be WoW, heck most of the things people don’t want because WoW have been done by other MMO’s even before WoW did them) that work, there is no good reason to not also do that in GW2 a way that it fits in GW2 obviously.

The reason that people would leave WoW when it would go F2P is most likely because they don’t want the game to turn into a cash-shop game where the best way to get items you want is with the cash-shop (like in pretty much all F2P games including GW2). Something to think about.

kitten .9460:

Rewards in Rift are pretty streamlined now, you get the same reward (currency) to buy whatever you want in pvp, open world, raids, dungeons, etc.

Rift is crap, engine is bad, pvp is so unbalanced. And only 2 ppl working in trion regarding Rift. RNG everywhere…played it like 1 year and i am done with it. Was waiting for Archeage but RNG cancer from trion followed it there so that game will die soon…too bad for a game with great expectations.

But there are no quality mmorpgs out there, f2p suffer rng p2w dissease, gw2 lacks more stuff to do(b2p) and p2p arent good enough to pay for it (wow, wildstar, eso…)

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Vayne.8563:

slamfunction.7462:

I say go play it. You’re wasting your time here, unless you’re a brand new player. I’m not saying that to be mean, but if yer lookin for any kind of change or reaction here, just stop, because they don’t care. If you have a level 80, then you’re just not in their target demographic. They’ve proven that.

Because we didn’t just get another level 80 zone, with a new living story that people seem quite pleased with….oh wait…

Calling this shoe boxes zones is all nice and fancy, but he got a point and I think you know that too. Most effort seems to be put into the experience of new players, while challenging content for high level players is hard to find.

In fact, I think long time players that have been sticking around this long are just happy about any new bits of content the game has to offer. Like some plant in a dessert being happy about the few little drops of rain every now and then.

The other game offers a ton of content in a single blow (expansion), which is the way that I personally prefer it. It doesn’t feel artificially streched, discontinued and seperated, it feels like being in a world, immersive, with freedom to do stuff when I want. The story is not time gated, the quests are not time gated, the world is not time gated.

This is the biggest flaw with GW2 and the LS, it breaks immersion non-stop.

He doesn’t have a point.

There have been dozens of updates, and one of them had stuff for new players, maybe two. If you list all the updates from launch you’d see it.

The new player stuff got complained about by veteran players, but if you say we haven’t gotten two zones and a bunch of stories since July…I don’t know what to say. That’s all level 80 stuff.

You may not like it, but the vast majority of the updates have been for us. People are just entitled.

Ragnarox.9601:

kitten .9460:

Rewards in Rift are pretty streamlined now, you get the same reward (currency) to buy whatever you want in pvp, open world, raids, dungeons, etc.

Rift is crap, engine is bad, pvp is so unbalanced. And only 2 ppl working in trion regarding Rift. RNG everywhere…played it like 1 year and i am done with it. Was waiting for Archeage but RNG cancer from trion followed it there so that game will die soon…too bad for a game with great expectations.

But there are no quality mmorpgs out there, f2p suffer rng p2w dissease, gw2 lacks more stuff to do(b2p) and p2p arent good enough to pay for it (wow, wildstar, eso…)

Can’t deny optimization is terrible in Rift, mostly due to only 1core support and shadows.

Rym.1469:

Sure there will be a drop.

But, being perfectly honest, the only playerbase which may leave for longer period is PvP playerbase. PvE one will dig through the majority of content in 3 months. Then there will be 2-3 months of PvE stagnation in WoW when players will return to their previous games untill the new content patch hits. It’s been like it for a loong time.

So don’t worry about PvE. Worry about even smaller PvP community.

Why do you think that? I did play WoW in the past, purely PvE and not even the raid stuff and it takes very long to complete that. Main things I did was hunting down mini’s / companions and cool mounts in the world. For my ranger /hunter I went searching for the most special pets. I was working on a fun crafts / professions (engineering mainly) wanting to get all those things and collecting some other special funny items. That all send me all over the world. Getting a recipe, getting the materials and so on. That will take you something between half a year and 2 years.

Now there are also companion battles, that alone can take you a long time to level some of those.

The new expansion includes the Garrison and what I understand from it (while I don’t think thats what I personally like) it’s also to keep you busy for a long long time. And while I am not a huge fan of there garrison I also understand then the Garrison in a way has it’s own professions / crafts including it’s own variation of engineering ans like I said before that is something I do like. However I also did read that the garrison is a big time-sink so they keep adding new PvE elements to keep you busy wile all the things I mentioned before will likely also be expanded up on. More pets including some new rare ones, new mini’s, new things you can do with your craft.

Rushing to max level might take you a few months and with the expansions you might be able to do it in two weeks (those same people will play GW2 maybe 2 hours per LS patch), but all the other stuff around it can easily keep you busy till the next expansion. It is in fact exactly those elements that I miss in GW2. The only thing to do next to the story is grinding grinding and more grinding to get gold to buy what you want.

Now that is something where Anet could learn a lot, biggest problem however is that most of those items you would be able to get there (the mini’s but also the fun items you can make with those professions) are here all currency driven or directly cash-shop items. Most mini’s are in the cash-shop and for example the new flying carpet in GW2’s cash-shop that is also in WoW but from a craft. The flying broom is also in WoW but from a quest line. Thats also why I always complain so much about there cash-shop focus. It completely destroys these sort of things.

The PvP in GW2 is what needs content updates. The PvE update schedule at the moment is pumping enough content out to be competitive with expansions against other games. There has been no significant update to WvW gameplay since WXP and trait lines were introduced like a year and a half ago. SPvP got a big update with reward tracks and stuff but is stalling again with lack of new maps and modes.

WvW got a huge number of RvR guilds and players from other games, but the vast majority of WvW guilds that were around at launch and those players that are here for RvR are no longer here. We’re talking tens of thousands of hardcore players that played extremely competitively. Instead, they got drawn away by ESO and Archeage even though both games are inferior to GW2 in terms of mechanics and graphics, but can’t even hold a candle to those games’ PvP support. A pity really

ANet needs to hire more devs and get bigger dev teams so they can maintain their own game, cause it’s just clearly lacking.

Ragnarox.9601:

kitten .9460:

Rewards in Rift are pretty streamlined now, you get the same reward (currency) to buy whatever you want in pvp, open world, raids, dungeons, etc.

Rift is crap, engine is bad, pvp is so unbalanced. And only 2 ppl working in trion regarding Rift. RNG everywhere…played it like 1 year and i am done with it. Was waiting for Archeage but RNG cancer from trion followed it there so that game will die soon…too bad for a game with great expectations.

But there are no quality mmorpgs out there, f2p suffer rng p2w dissease, gw2 lacks more stuff to do(b2p) and p2p arent good enough to pay for it (wow, wildstar, eso…)

The F2P problem is more of a grind problem or P2W indeed. Look at your ArcheAge example. If it wasn’t for the LP it would be fine but with them it’s grind grind grind or just pay for it. Now look at GW2, if you want anything it’s grind, grind, grind or pay for it.

B2P has nothing to do with lacks more stuff to do. Look at GW1 for example. No if it would be truly B2P we would have had about 2 expansions by now (because if thats how they make there money that is what they focus on and will release faster) and so there would be plenty to do. Not to forget about all the things that are now in the cash-shop and could then be in the world. That alone would make that there would be much more to do even forgetting about the expansions.

I’ll admit that the expansion looked a bit interesting…. until I read the storyline behind it. That killed any interest I had in it. If I want something revolving around time and/or dimensional travelling, I’ll stick with Doctor Who tyvm.

I’m very much a lore lover when it comes to games, and I find it deeply saddening when the story gets shafted for a single character’s plot. Especially when said character’s plot looks like it was taken straight from someone’s fan fiction. Not even good/decent fan fiction either. I looked the other way when it came to Thrall, but I’m not doing it again for Garrosh.

kitten .9460:

Beldin.5498:

So if i ever want to play RIFT again i have now level from 50 to 70 ? And then realize
again that all the good stuff is only gated behind dungeons / raids and all the open
world content just gives crap rewards at max level ?

Rewards in Rift are pretty streamlined now, you get the same reward (currency) to buy whatever you want in pvp, open world, raids, dungeons, etc.

A really ? Played it from beta and 4-5 month after release, and then was so annoyed
that at 50 the purple shards from zone events didn’t even gave any lvl 50 items.

Oh .. and crafting receipes that only dropped in dungeons, even since maybe those
persons that don’t play dungeons were the ones who needed crafted stuff.

The sad thing is that this is the SECOND expansion that WoW has launched since GW2 came out… WoW has released more content in a single expansion than the entire game of GW2 contains since launch… and now they are adding 100% more…

It is actually quite embarrassing…

I haven’t played wow in a while since I just don’t have the time anymore. GW2 pretty much releases no content so I can keep up with this game.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

The sad thing is that this is the SECOND expansion that WoW has launched since GW2 came out… WoW has released more content in a single expansion than the entire game of GW2 contains since launch… and now they are adding 100% more…

The sad thing is, that when WoW released its first expansion after 2 years !! Everquest 2
already released its THIRD expansion .. and still more people played that crappy game.

I wonder if there was also so much DOOM in the WoW forums where everybody
wrote that WoW would die if they not finally get an expansion.

kitten .9460:

Garrisons! Endgame! Pvp! Oh my

Edit:

Another call on ANets crap. Look at how barren GW2 is after over 2 years, then look at WoW xpac. Compare the content that took Blizz 2 years to develop we are getting in WoD and the content that GW2 currently has (90% was temporary). Tons of new zones, new pvp area’s, new mounts, pets, titles, raids, garrisons, spells, etc etc so much for expansions worth of content ANet… 2 tiny zones does not = an xpac fyi and I’ve never seen a temporary expansion before.

Should i laugh or cry at how stupid you are?, Gw2 keeps getting more active players after 2 years… the wow expansion, you mean the expansion that’s 10 dollars more expensive, less content, loads of spell removing, easy as kitten raids, forced 20 man raids, 1 new zone, awfull PvP balance for 10 years. kittenty story about going back in time, stupid Orc centric lore once again, the only thing that is really new on WoW is that they milk you for more money for an expansion that’s not even worth a patch for.

Beldin.5498:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

The sad thing is that this is the SECOND expansion that WoW has launched since GW2 came out… WoW has released more content in a single expansion than the entire game of GW2 contains since launch… and now they are adding 100% more…

The sad thing is, that when WoW released its first expansion after 2 years !! Everquest 2
already released its THIRD expansion .. and still more people played that crappy game.

I wonder if there was also so much DOOM in the WoW forums where everybody
wrote that WoW would die if they not finally get an expansion.

Not likely… since WoW added multiple dungeons, multiple raids, new zones, new PvP modes and actual large balance patches in those 2 years. They got an expansions worth of content and then also got an actual expansion.

Devata.6589:

Ragnarox.9601:

kitten .9460:

Rewards in Rift are pretty streamlined now, you get the same reward (currency) to buy whatever you want in pvp, open world, raids, dungeons, etc.

Rift is crap, engine is bad, pvp is so unbalanced. And only 2 ppl working in trion regarding Rift. RNG everywhere…played it like 1 year and i am done with it. Was waiting for Archeage but RNG cancer from trion followed it there so that game will die soon…too bad for a game with great expectations.

But there are no quality mmorpgs out there, f2p suffer rng p2w dissease, gw2 lacks more stuff to do(b2p) and p2p arent good enough to pay for it (wow, wildstar, eso…)

The F2P problem is more of a grind problem or P2W indeed. Look at your ArcheAge example. If it wasn’t for the LP it would be fine but with them it’s grind grind grind or just pay for it. Now look at GW2, if you want anything it’s grind, grind, grind or pay for it.

B2P has nothing to do with lacks more stuff to do. Look at GW1 for example. No if it would be truly B2P we would have had about 2 expansions by now (because if thats how they make there money that is what they focus on and will release faster) and so there would be plenty to do. Not to forget about all the things that are now in the cash-shop and could then be in the world. That alone would make that there would be much more to do even forgetting about the expansions.

that’s funny, i got my legendary axe with almost no grind what so ever, where is this grind you are doing in Gw2 and why are you grinding when it’s not needed?

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Beldin.5498:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

The sad thing is that this is the SECOND expansion that WoW has launched since GW2 came out… WoW has released more content in a single expansion than the entire game of GW2 contains since launch… and now they are adding 100% more…

The sad thing is, that when WoW released its first expansion after 2 years !! Everquest 2
already released its THIRD expansion .. and still more people played that crappy game.

I wonder if there was also so much DOOM in the WoW forums where everybody
wrote that WoW would die if they not finally get an expansion.

Not likely… since WoW added multiple dungeons, multiple raids, new zones, new PvP modes and actual large balance patches in those 2 years. They got an expansions worth of content and then also got an actual expansion.

Just go play WoW then if you are so hungry for blizzard kitten, geez man. if you love something just give them lots of money for no reason at all, well i guess one need to pay to get lubricated first.

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.