Guild Wars 2

Whenever I initiate a PuG I always open the door to anybody. But sadly I have seen people advertise for 5k ap, and “no X proffession” (the other one i hate is “no noobs” [or paraphrased versions of that] urg hate that word, and how is anybody supposed to get experienced and stop being a “nnob” if they can’t join a team and get in anyway eh? Numpty logic!) and have been kicked from party just for coming in on a theif or ranger or under 5k ap, despite knowing many dungeons and paths like the back of my hand and not even being asked what build I’m using.
My advice is just look for the friendly open teams on lfg and ignore the snoots. Sure it may take longer but I like taking new people into dungeons and helping them learn… means if I get them again in another PuG in future they will have more experience.

I will just add to this, that making your own LFG group DOES work. It’s very easy to ignore any “5k+ AP only” groups. Just don’t insist on joining them, as you will get kicked if you don’t meet the requirements (same goes for such a profession only).

I advertise for lvl 80 only on my dungeon runs. Why? Because I’m looking to do it for a quick run, not to do it with people who have just started playing the game (which most non-lvl 80s who join a dungeon group are). If people are inexperienced, I am more than willing to explain it to them, and do not just kick them, I would just prefer it if you were at least max level. I don’t see anything wrong with this. There are plenty of people out there willing to do non-lvl 80 runs. I feel it’s fair for me to want to do my runs only with people who have access to all the skills that we might need.

There are some elitist bigots, and just simply don’t join. Whether we like it or not they’re allowed to put restrictions on their group. Someone might fancy doing an “all necro run”, and if you join and insist on staying on a guardian, they have a right to say no and kick you. You can’t complain about that.

The “play how you want” ideology has to apply to everyone. Whether that’s “all professions welcome, lvl80 only”, “all levels welcome” or “5k+ AP, zerk only” we just have to accept it. Thankfully, I believe there is just enough people in each category for it to not be too much of a problem. My groups fill up just as quickly as a 5k+ AP group does. And an all levels welcome group appears to fill up just as quickly as mine.

sazberryftw.3809:

I will just add to this, that making your own LFG group DOES work. It’s very easy to ignore any “5k+ AP only” groups. Just don’t insist on joining them, as you will get kicked if you don’t meet the requirements (same goes for such a profession only).

I advertise for lvl 80 only on my dungeon runs. Why? Because I’m looking to do it for a quick run, not to do it with people who have just started playing the game (which most non-lvl 80s who join a dungeon group are). If people are inexperienced, I am more than willing to explain it to them, and do not just kick them, I would just prefer it if you were at least max level. I don’t see anything wrong with this. There are plenty of people out there willing to do non-lvl 80 runs. I feel it’s fair for me to want to do my runs only with people who have access to all the skills that we might need.

There are some elitist bigots, and just simply don’t join. Whether we like it or not they’re allowed to put restrictions on their group. Someone might fancy doing an “all necro run”, and if you join and insist on staying on a guardian, they have a right to say no and kick you. You can’t complain about that.

The “play how you want” ideology has to apply to everyone. Whether that’s “all professions welcome, lvl80 only”, “all levels welcome” or “5k+ AP, zerk only” we just have to accept it. Thankfully, I believe there is just enough people in each category for it to not be too much of a problem. My groups fill up just as quickly as a 5k+ AP group does. And an all levels welcome group appears to fill up just as quickly as mine.

You don’t understand, people like the OP need something to be outraged at. Suggesting that they just ignore things they disagree with or dislike doesn’t work with these people.

How about the obvious solutions suggestted?

“LFG – No AP requirement, All builds welcome.”

Conflict avoided…..no harm, no foul. You get what you want, “Elitists” get to avoid players they don’t want to deal with. Win Win.

Eirdyne.9843:

Op’s stuff

You came here “to play a video game” – some of us came here for the rewards.
Not everyone has time to go over dungeons in the slowest way possible.

If you want to actually “do” the dungeons then make your own group and specify there will be no skipping and no AP cap. It’s that simple.

You said it yourself – you mostly play the TP and don’t really engage in most of the other content.
That’s what the AP check is for.
If I make a party requiring 5-10k ap it means that I want people that care enough about GW2 to have grinded out their AP. It means that the people I’m getting have a high chance to be very invested in the game ( since they bothered with getting their AP high ) which in turn means there’s a better chance they’re more experienced, better at dodging/playing their class and more reward-oriented.

It’s a means through which I can select people that are more like me so that I can play with them.

You mention you want your experience reflected – and the game does that – your wealth reflects your success on the trading post.
But if I’m looking for an extra player for a dungeon or fractal I’d prefer a person who’s already done that hundreds of times and knows what he’s doing.

I understand you’ve put a lot of time in the game but the areas of the game you’ve focused on don’t give you the know-how and experience that people require in other areas of the game.

You can be the absolute best WvW commander in the world and still be terrible at fractals. Not because you’re a bad player but because you’re inexperienced and new.

The game’s been out 2 years now – nobody wants the new guy in their party when doing serious things.

FrostSpectre.4198:

Well, the AP is used by the “Elite”, who are really “Elitist A holes”, not even close to being real elite.
As they are I think it’s ok, but as you pointed out, you can’t attain the APs since you with your play style.

This also points out how idiotic decision it is by the community’s Elitist A Holes to use AP as skill indicator.

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Dungeons, ANet just has to update the content with mobs and stuff that are impossible to skip or win with only berserker gear.

So for ANet:

• Make completition require all dungeon events to be done, no skipping allowed. (Kill the solo runners)
• Re-design the content of the dungeons, so that it’s impossible to win with only Berserker gear. (Even if this violates the “play how you want”, but group event content should always require cooperation)

So basically rework the game into something else because you’re upset with how it is now.
Even though the majority of players are happily going their own way and playing and having fun.

Seems like a valid choice for Anet.

I’m actually guilty of being judgmental based on AP although I never participate or lfg anything requiring minimum ap. That said on pve stuff I generally found people with high AP to perform much better than people with low AP. Although I don’t think that AP should be a standard to judge a player, in dungeons like arah or high level fractal most of the low APs come in for help. I don’t mind personally but I sometimes do feel that I want to have a nice arah/fractal run once in a while without having to explain every mechanism behind certain boss fights.

i dont think ap says much.
Maybe i just hitchhiked with people who know what they are doing, and
dont know kitten myself.

I mean hey i could buy the ‘dungeon master’ ttitle probably by paying
for the runs.

If you want to do things relaxed, try find other relaxed people.
Dont join the speed clears

I dont know if they still are in the game, but a guild like mara
might be what your looking for. You have to be above 21 i think.

Very relaxed people and fun to play with.

The funny thing is, a group that simply specifies you have to be experienced at the dungeon path in the lfg will get the path done faster than a group with ap, gear, and class requirements since the group will fill up faster and start the dungeon earlier. They will probably do the dungeon just as smoothly anyway. Very rarely have I had a problem with a group that only specified experienced.

I’ve heard so many horror stories concerning dungeons which is why I only started running them a month ago. Most of my time spent in GW2 has been in WvW. Now I feel silly for not doing dungeons sooner.

Just ignore the lfgs that want 5k ap.

I’ve seen this but you should just ignore it. The only time I get irritated is when someone has never done the dungeon and won’t let us know or ask for help in fear that we will kick them, which we will not- we do not mind explaining paths to players if they need the help.
Honestly I get a little worried when they have under 1k ap, but I won’t kick them because of it and I try not to go based on that because I have been proven wrong.

Harper.4173:

Eirdyne.9843:

Op’s stuff

You came here “to play a video game” – some of us came here for the rewards.

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I think this one statement sums up the VAST chasm of space between the various fragmented player bases in this game. I’m someone in the middle (I want some rewards WHILE I enjoy playing a video game) and just don’t get the eternal pursuit of “MOAR LOOTZ!” (not there’s anything wrong with that).

Brother Grimm.5176:

Harper.4173:

Eirdyne.9843:

Op’s stuff

You came here “to play a video game” – some of us came here for the rewards.

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I think this one statement sums up the VAST chasm of space between the various fragmented player bases in this game. I’m someone in the middle (I want some rewards WHILE I enjoy playing a video game) and just don’t get the eternal pursuit of “MOAR LOOTZ!” (not there’s anything wrong with that).

I also enjoy actually playing the game.
The first dozen times you do certain things they’re fun.
After the first 50 times they become tedious
100+ and you’re just trying to get it over with as soon as possible.

There isn’t enough new and rewarding content in the game to keep players having fun and reward them with much needed gold.
Sooner or later if you want the expensive items in this game you’ll have to grind the content.
And once you do that a lot – it just comes down to the reward.

Personally I never really join groups that advertise like that (only zerker, 5k ap only, things like that), even if I do fulfill their requirements. At least in my experience I seem to have more fun when joining more casual style groups, even if they take a little longer. But it is their right to want that in a group, so be it.

One quick comment on the OP, when it comes to a legendary weapon. I fully agree that harder achievements should have more AP, but personally I don’t see a problem with 25 AP for a legendary. You can just buy a legendary, and taking out the effort of raising the money, isn’t much of an achievement by itself (personally I think legendary weapons should be account bount, but that’s for another discussion)…. or you can make it yourself, which IMHO is the bigger acomplishment. 25 AP sounds like too little, but you also need to take into account that in order to get everything you need for a legendary weapon you need to explore the whole world (over 100 AP there), maximise your crafting profesions (40 AP each), get enough money and so on. If you put together all you need to do to craft a legendary weapon, it could easily put it above 200 AP, not too bad IMHO.

I don’t have the patience to deal with staff guardians and full signet longbow warriors. Putting AP, meta build, and ping gear reqs on my LFG is way less painful for me, even knowing it will take longer to fill. If the run will definitely go smoothly, that’s more worth it to me than completing the run earlier with a stressful group.

I don’t want to play with you, OP. AP reqs are my way of telling you that.

Personally I don’t see a problem with people advertising what they want for party members in LFG. If they want only certain professions, above an AP level or particular gear then that’s their prerogative. They’re saying they do the dungeons in a specific way and I would much rather have them say so upfront than join a group and then get hit with requirements or play style that I don’t meet.

Like so many have said, make your own group. It will fill and you can start while those people are still waiting.

It is concerning that parts of the playerbase is setting a minimum limit of AP to do content that AP tells you nothing about and content that can be done by 3 people really easily. The barrier will no doubt increase with time. I wonder if in 2 years people will be asking for 10k AP to do AC.

sinzer.4018:

It is concerning that parts of the playerbase is setting a minimum limit of AP to do content that AP tells you nothing about and content that can be done by 3 people really easily. The barrier will no doubt increase with time. I wonder if in 2 years people will be asking for 10k AP to do AC.

As long as it’s only a minority doing it then it’s their prerogative. They can ask for whatever they want, and other players can choose to join that group if they like and fit the requirements or join a different one/make their own if not.

(And this goes for all types of requirements. People wanting specific AP, specific titles, doing runs only with friends/guild members, wanting full ascended gear, set builds, only people wearing panda hats dyed pink…they can ask for whatever they want, if they get it great, if not then it’s their problem.)

IMO it will only get to be a problem if it’s like UW and FoW in GW1 where it was virtually impossible to find a group doing anything except speed runs requiring very specific builds. I spent several hours on multiple occasions trying to put together a group and could never find more than 1 other person at a time willing to do those properly.

Of course the problem is that once it reaches that point it’s very hard to fix because so many people will be stuck in the mindset that it’s the only way that content can be completed at all. So it is something Anet and the players should keep an eye on, but at the moment I don’t think it’s an issue.

The only time I’m judgmental on AP is if it’s a ranger with less than 200 AP. And the only time I actually check AP is if we wipe on trash before the first boss of the dungeon.

I think it’s stupid to demand 5k+ AP. A year ago that goal post was only like 1k AP. What will it be next year? 10k AP? It’s not fair to shift that goal post. That’s the sort of thing that gives elitists a bad name.

Besides, AP is not a measure of skill. It’s only a measure of how long you’ve been playing.

Eirdyne.9843:

You cannot reach 5000 AP without making a number of separate races for their 10 AP from story rewards.

10k. Didn’t do that. Played far less than 2 years because I quit. Go do your dailies and monthlies. Go do WvW. Do the living story. Salvage, get all crafts to max. Do every jump puzzle.

And the best advice I’m going to give you: Ignore any party that uses achievement points as a form of skill because they are BAD! All of you. Bad. I mean if you WERE any good, you’d not be in a pug.