Guild Wars 2

Hi guys,

I already mentioned this in another thread of mine about the economic impact of the last balance patch but wanted to make a seperate topic.

Since the start of the year, the bulk of 8 million quartz on the tp has been used up at a rapid pace and as of now, we are left with a mere 350k on the tp.

Some threads already creeped up on the forums since then and some claimed it was market manipulation. I have been trading with quartz and related items, like celestial recipes, sheets of ambrite, grow lamps, and charged ambrite ever since its release and have done some additional research in order to find out what caused the mass consumption of quartz.

What got me baffled is that in the 10 months between its introduction during the bazaar of the 4 winds 7/2013 and the festival of the 4 winds in 5/2014 the supply of quartz was way less, usually hovering between 100 and 400k. During the festival in June 6 million quartz got dumped on the tp and in July, Dry Top opened. It contained 3 quartz nodes, which were harvestable once per day per account, which isnt much but due to the majority of the player base constantly farming DT, another 2 million quartz ended up on the tp.

The problem was that there werent enough sinks for quartz as most players already crafted their celestial gear. In August 2014, supply and demand were pretty much level until the end of the year. Reasons for that are certainly the end of the festival, which diminished supply greatly compared to the limited faucets in DT and the the introduction of mawdrey, which added an addtional sink.
Until the end of the year, there were some additional shifts in supply and demand, Halloween in October spilled out charged quartz from t&t bags, Wintersday Gifts in December/January as well and Additional content in DT during November had people flocking back there from the silverwastes.
Sheets of Ambrite (which need 5 quartz) for Nomads gear were also introduced in August but the stat combo wasnt very popular and quite expensive to craft, as ambrite was quite pricy at that time. In November, sinister stats and SW were introduced, which were a bit more popular. Its also noteworthy, that at that time, a huge amount of ambrite got farmed which brought it down to vendor value. That might seem insignificant but is in my opinion one of the main reasons, why we used up so much quartz in 2015. Its not that nomads gear got any more popular but crafting sheets of ambrite did.

As already mentioned i have been trading in sheets of ambrite alot since its introduction and for most of the time this year, it has been traded for far less than crafting value, which can only have one reason:
We are crafting more of it than we consume. Its a lvl 400 refining recipe used by all armor and weaponcrafting professions and people mass produced it to level from 400-425. There is not much sheets of ambrite on the tp, less than 4k, which would only mean 20k quartz but I suspect a huge amount of sheets of ambrite lying around in peoples material storages.

While leveling crafting professions, many people struggle with inventory space and use the deposit material option a few times. When people start out from lvl 400, refining mats is the first option to advance your level. Since SW, people got plenty of ambrite, it filled up our inventory, was at vendor value and in general a hassle to have. At that time, most people also had at least a stack of quartz left in their storage, enough for 50 sheets of ambrite. It was a great way for many to level their crafting and free inventory slots by burning through 5 stacks of ambrite.
If only 20k people did that, it would already consume 5million quartz.
Hovever, that was already possible in November, which also saw sinister gear being introduced. That was more popular and charged sheets of ambrite even needed 25 quartz but the 8 million supply stayed on the tp until the middle of January when suddenly supply went down hard and constantly.
So what happened there?
First of all, WIntersday ended, which gave a steady supply of charged quartz drops but that alone couldnt have been the cause alone.
At the end of January, HoT was announced, which brought alot of old players back and also started a series of 75% rebate sales for the game, which brought in tons of new accounts. I read some numbers recently I think they sold more account keys in the last 6 months than in the 2 years before combined.
Quartz is such a unique material because every end product that it is used for (nomad/sinister/celestial gear, mawdrey) is account bound on acquire, which means you cant buy it with gold. Therefore all the new accounts that opened this year had to level their crafts in order to obtain them.

Celestial gear is still the biggest sink for quartz, as it is quite a popular stat combo and uses 5 times more quartz than nomad and sinister. If a new account wanted to craft a celestial set with 6 armor pieces and 3 weapons (i disregard exotic trinkets, as i assume people would rather get a celestial ascended trinket by other means rather than crafting 6 exotic trinkets), they would need to get their hands on over 4 stacks of quartz. They didnt have any leftovers of charged or regular quartz from past events, all they could do is farm 4 nodes per day which usually would only yield half the amount of quartz they need for their daily charge, buy wintersday gifts or t&t bags or buy them on the tp. Until the end of march, quartz was still cheap on the tp at around 1s, so most people didnt mind to pay the price as celestial was still one of the cheapest exotic stats to craft.

The problem was that in those 2 1/2 months, we burned through 6 million quartz and suddenly the price went up to 2s. At that time, regular players and investors started selling their stock to make a profit, supplies replenished a bit and stayed level, just like the price, until the end of may. Thats when more news were published about the upcoming changes to the condi meta and the balance patch, including the ability to chance stats on ascended gear.
It sparked a huge demand for sinister gear and propably celestial as well, since people wanted to switch some of their unwanted armor and weapon boxes with undesired stats to something useful.

So in the last 5 weeks, supply went down 82.5%, from 2 million to 350k and we passed the 3 silver mark during the weekend.

Since the update, charged ambrite went up to around crafting value, which indicates that people didnt hoard as much as regular sheets, which are still available for less than 50% of their crafting value.

So what does it mean for the regular player?

The hardest hit will be players that want to craft celestial gear, as the price of quartz will trend up the fastest.

I dont see demand for celestial gear diminishing anytime soon and you have to craft it yourself with quartz, which you cant get enough of by yourself because it has a limited faucet. And by now, many regular players and investors already sold their unwanted quartz. Personally, i have 70 stacks left to sell, which might sound much to some people but atm, those 17.5k wouldnt even cover half a days consumption and is as much kitten of the current supply on the tp.

Sinister gear crafters are a little better off, as they dont need that much quartz for their gear (80% less) and have the possibility to buy additional supplies of charged ambrite on the tp, probably for a little less than crafting value as they still have a decent supply outside of the tp, personally I have twice the amount compared to the supply on the tp stored away. Wether it will be available for a little less or more than crafting value will depend on when people will start to sell additional supplies on the tp and how fast the quartz price rises.

Nomad gear crafters probably dont have to worry at all, as there is so much sheets of ambrite outside the tp that it will take a long time until the price becomes an issue in the crafting process, its still one of the cheapest stats to craft.

There are also fewer people in Dry Top where there is plenty of quartz to harvest which could also account for some of the less quartz available.

But it’s not like there’s no way to get quartz, there are quartz nodes in the open world and a rich quartz node there too.

Semi-related:
Why can’t we get Azurite orbs anymore except from rarely from generosity’s reward? Why can’t we upgrade azurite crystals into orbs? And the only way to get Azurite crystals is in a single fractal (that they removed the Ori nodes from so you can’t get the orbs there anymore)

Dry top is definitely less popular now which has led to a drastic drop in quartz supply. I’d bet that most of the supply now comes from home instances which realistically only gives 3-8 per person per day whereas charging it up requires 25 quartz.

Looking at the graph, over 300k supply burned this week with only 300k left, ruh roh.

On the personal side I know why my quartz usage went up. With the effective removal of stacking conditions, suddenly sinister gear is all the rage. I’ve made two full sets, with a 3rd being produced now.

The thing with sinister gear is that the trinkets are not nearly as cheap as the armor and weapons. Charged Ambrite Jewelry requires 5 exquisite jewels, each requiring a charged quartz. This comes to 30 charged quarts, or 750 quartz crystals for a full set. Because of these jewels, my stockpile of charged quartz vanished in a day, and I am left buying the charged sheets off of the TP.

So, two things are happening. One is that players are buying quartz to make the charged sheets to trade. The other is that players are buying quartz to make the gear directly.

fishball.7204:

Dry top is definitely less popular now which has led to a drastic drop in quartz supply. I’d bet that most of the supply now comes from home instances which realistically only gives 3-8 per person per day whereas charging it up requires 25 quartz.

Looking at the graph, over 300k supply burned this week with only 300k left, ruh roh.

dont forget, there are people also like wanze who keep some back in stock. That stock will flow when they feel the price is right to them.

Serophous.9085:

fishball.7204:

Dry top is definitely less popular now which has led to a drastic drop in quartz supply. I’d bet that most of the supply now comes from home instances which realistically only gives 3-8 per person per day whereas charging it up requires 25 quartz.

Looking at the graph, over 300k supply burned this week with only 300k left, ruh roh.

dont forget, there are people also like wanze who keep some back in stock. That stock will flow when they feel the price is right to them.

Or it is just in dead accounts that are no longer in use. I know a few people who stocked up on different things, took a longer hiatus from the game and came back to become pretty wealthy. Specifically with silk when it was vendor value. They put all their wealth into buy orders on it and when they returned…

fishball.7204:

Dry top is definitely less popular now which has led to a drastic drop in quartz supply. I’d bet that most of the supply now comes from home instances which realistically only gives 3-8 per person per day whereas charging it up requires 25 quartz.

Looking at the graph, over 300k supply burned this week with only 300k left, ruh roh.

Youre right but i dont think that a less populated DT contributed much towards the supply drain in the last 6 months. The population went off DT towards SW and the festival in november last year and supply started vanishing only 3 months later. That lead me to the conclusion that supply has been pretty steady since November, when sinister gear was introduced all up until today and therefore the demand side of the equation had to be greatly grown starting in january.
That can only have been triggered by the HoT announcement and lots of new accounts (and consumers) through the sales. If I would take an educated guess, i would estimate that at least half of the current active player base are accounts opened in the last 5 months, which all have a big demand for celestial and sinister gear, which they have to level their professions for to be able to craft them. The changes to the condi meta and the balance patch recently added additonal demand for those stats from veterans as well, that until then didnt bother to try out those builds.

Serophous.9085:

fishball.7204:

Dry top is definitely less popular now which has led to a drastic drop in quartz supply. I’d bet that most of the supply now comes from home instances which realistically only gives 3-8 per person per day whereas charging it up requires 25 quartz.

Looking at the graph, over 300k supply burned this week with only 300k left, ruh roh.

dont forget, there are people also like wanze who keep some back in stock. That stock will flow when they feel the price is right to them.

The amount of supply on accounts compared to the tp is always very speculative.
In most cases, the supply on the tp only accounts for a small fraction of overall supply, the same goes for quartz. But compared to daily consumption, i dont believe that that stock isnt nearly as big as it once was.

Most people that bought when supplies were at their peek would in my opinion already have cashed in by now and made up to 500% profit, which is a decent return for half a years investment.
I already said i have 70 stacks but that doesnt mean that I intend to sell them. I charge quartz daily since the start of the year, even though i dont have any need for it. But if Anet brings out new sinks for charged quartz, i will have enough and its also a way for me to store more quartz per slot.
I already said that my supply is only 5% of the supply on the tp, i couldnt flood the market, if i wanted to, it would only turn the tide for 12 hours, then its gone. And I rather hold on to my supply for personal use than selling now, in a week, in a month for 4, 5 or 6 s.
If there is still a huge amount supplies lying around, it has to come from the general player base, accounts that have a stack in the material storage since yesteryear and maybe a couple more in their bank. Chance is, that most of them arent even aware whats going on because they are casuals and dont give a kitten. Some might be aware and rather than cashing in a couple of gold, keep their supply intentionally for future use because there are no reasonable faucets atm, with the 4 nodes per day and account, they can barely charge a crystal.
Thats why i think that even if there is still a decent amount of supply stored outside of the tp, that supply isnt neccesarily designated for future sale and wont help satisfying the demand for it from new accounts.

Maybe a lot people simply also had stocked some quartz in their bank and
after 3 months finally they needed to buy new from the TP.

Personally i still have 3 stacks from that time, but i stopped charging each day
when i had over 200 charged quartz.

Also just recently after the patch i made a celestial set for my engi, and celestial
aromor for my elementalist.

Beldin.5498:

celestial aromor

Smelling armor confirmed.

TLDR : Wanze bought 7 million quartz and now wants to unload, just kidding :P

but really, thanks and keep these insights coming, they are pretty interesting to read.

khani.4786:

Why can’t we get Azurite orbs anymore except from rarely from generosity’s reward? Why can’t we upgrade azurite crystals into orbs? And the only way to get Azurite crystals is in a single fractal (that they removed the Ori nodes from so you can’t get the orbs there anymore)

Azurite Orbs were only available during the molten facility mini dungeon during the season 1. They were used to craft exotic sentinel weapons/armor/trinkets. They werent obtainable for a while but with asscended crafting Anet introduced salvageable inscriptions in august 2013 and insignias in dec 2013 for previously uncraftable stats. While sentinel WAS craftable, only the stat sensitive material (orbs) wasnt farmable anymore, so they added sentinel insignias and inscriptions to the guild commendation vendor to add an additional faucet for those. Why they decided to make the stat combo available through that vendor instead of establishing new faucets for azurite orbs, is up for speculation, i think they just wanted to add an additonal sink for guild commendations at that time.
Anyways, it was a good solution to make exotic and ascended sentinel gear available at a cheaper price than before, at least weapons and armor. In 2013, they intended to raise every crafting profession to 500 but as we all know, they never came around to do it for jeweling. If they would have released jeweling 500 as intended, i would assume they would have added exquisite azurite jewels (the equivalent to inscriptions and insignias) to the guild com vendor as well.
But that never happened and since then they abandoned any changes to jeweling.

The inability to transmogrify azurite crystals into orbs might have been an initial oversight when f&f got released that never was fixed. Its either low on their priority list or its working as intended but I am pretty sure they are aware of the situation.

I think there are many easy ways they could reintroduce azurite orb supply, adding the transmogrifying recipe to the mystic forge would be an easy fix but that would crash its price due to the glut of azurite crystals on the market, so i dont think that would be anets first choice. I bought 20 stacks anyways, just in case.
Another way would be to put them on the loot table of the mystic forge, when forging 4 other orbs, crests or doubloons but as most of them are at vendor value as well, it might crash their price as well.

Actually, i just double checked general prices on exotic trinkets and in order to to bring azurite down to value of other stat trinkets, Anet basically has to bring azurite orbs down close to vendor value, so one of those solutions is probably the best one.

Adding it as a rare drop to the azurite nodes in the molten facility fractals wouldnt yield enough to bring the price down much, so it would only add a nice rare drop to a fractal run, which is nice for frequent fractal runners but wouldnt put too much of a dent into sentinel trinket prices.

Vavume.8065:

TLDR : Wanze bought 7 million quartz and now wants to unload, just kidding :P

but really, thanks and keep these insights coming, they are pretty interesting to read.

I know youre kidding but just to burst that bubble of a single person buying up 7 million quartz over the course of the last 6 months:

The only way to realistically do that is by storing them in your trading post pick up tab, which requires you to buy a seperate account. At an average price of 1.5s, thats 105k gold. That account would either have to buy that gold via gems (around 10k bucks at current value) or transfer 100k gold from his main account which probably would have him at least flagged for gold selling, if not banned.
If someone done it nonetheless and the 7 million supply were bought up by a single person or a group, they will have a hard time selling it because it would mean that regular supply and demand has been in equilibrium for the whole year and the player base produces enough to sustain itself. The moment they additional 7 million are going back on the tp, no matter how slow, we will have more supply coming in than we need and prices will falls immediately. In that case, all the investor did was spreading his wealth.

Never mind the amount of time needed to take the 28k stacks off the pick up tab, 100 at a time and relist them with the slow TP UI and sell spam restrictions.

Wanze.8410:

Azurite Orbs were only available during the molten facility mini dungeon during the season 1. They were used to craft exotic sentinel weapons/armor/trinkets. They werent obtainable for a while but with asscended crafting Anet introduced salvageable inscriptions in august 2013 and insignias in dec 2013 for previously uncraftable stats. While sentinel WAS craftable, only the stat sensitive material (orbs) wasnt farmable anymore, so they added sentinel insignias and inscriptions to the guild commendation vendor to add an additional faucet for those. Why they decided to make the stat combo available through that vendor instead of establishing new faucets for azurite orbs, is up for speculation, i think they just wanted to add an additonal sink for guild commendations at that time.

Just some extra info on this:
Many players dont know that sentinel insignias and inscriptions are also salvageable because for the most time, this hasnt been a viable option to obtain them.
As this feature was added with ascended crafting later in 2013, there was simply no supply of exotic sentinel armor and weapons left from the molten facility. After that, they stopped dropping and their prices went up in the hundreds of gold, so if someone paid lots of gold for it, they certainly wouldnt salvage it.
But in april last year, all those exotic sentinel gear dropped again from scarlets chest and nobody really noticed. Their price dropped so fast, that they were available on buy order for way less than the cheapest other exotics making it even good forge fodder.
But when you salvaged them, you got a couple of ectos, dark matter, maybe an inscription or insignia worth 10g and sometimes even an expensive rune or sigil.
I think i burned through 30 stacks of bl salvage kits that i amassed during that time, making an average profit of 5-10g per salvage. When i was done with those 75o charges, i bought plenty more on the gem store with gold and still made a profit.
I think i made more than 5k gold profit during the first week.
However, since the end of season 1, that gear stopped dropping once again and prices are back in the hundreds of gold.

I’m kind of glad I filled my private guild bank with quartz months ago.

Julie Yann.5379:

I’m kind of glad I filled my private guild bank with quartz months ago.

Congratulations. Assuming you have a fully upgraded guild vault, you are they proud owner of 62.5k quartz, less than 0.8% of the supply that vanished from the tp in the last 180 days. If you wanted to, you could satisfy the daily demand for maybe 2 days, i doubt though that you will do it, unless you are in immediate need of gold.

Wanze.8410:

Julie Yann.5379:

I’m kind of glad I filled my private guild bank with quartz months ago.

Congratulations. Assuming you have a fully upgraded guild vault, you are they proud owner of 62.5k quartz, less than 0.8% of the supply that vanished from the tp in the last 180 days. If you wanted to, you could satisfy the daily demand for maybe 2 days, i doubt though that you will do it, unless you are in immediate need of gold.

I will wait for the price to rise some more, I paid next to nothing for them so I don’t mind risking it for huge profits.

My take on this. Sinister gear is being used more now, because it’s cheaper to craft the Ascended version of armors with it. All other Ascended armor costs 5 Laurels for each piece of the recipe (30 Laurels per weight class). For Verata gear, you can buy them on the TP for extremely cheap (comparably). I did this to complete my Ascended armor set of Light, Medium, and Heavy for the achievement. Later, I’ll change the stats with the new MF recipe.

BUT… each inscription only takes 25 Quartz. 6 × 25 is only 150 per weight class. So we can also speculate that some people are crafting and hoarding Sinister inscriptions as an investment.

Julie Yann.5379:

Wanze.8410:

Julie Yann.5379:

I’m kind of glad I filled my private guild bank with quartz months ago.

Congratulations. Assuming you have a fully upgraded guild vault, you are they proud owner of 62.5k quartz, less than 0.8% of the supply that vanished from the tp in the last 180 days. If you wanted to, you could satisfy the daily demand for maybe 2 days, i doubt though that you will do it, unless you are in immediate need of gold.

I will wait for the price to rise some more, I paid next to nothing for them so I don’t mind risking it for huge profits.

Yeah and i think thats a mentality that many others that hold a decent amount of quartz share, me included.
If i needed gold quick, i would have no problem cashing some stacks in, at this point i would have already made over 500% profit on them. But as i dont need gold atm, i rather hold on to it. Even if prices should stabilize now for longer than a couple of weeks, i probably wouldnt sell my whole stock either but keep a couple dozen stacks for future personal consumption.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

My take on this. Sinister gear is being used more now, because it’s cheaper to craft the Ascended version of armors with it. All other Ascended armor costs 5 Laurels for each piece of the recipe (30 Laurels per weight class). For Verata gear, you can buy them on the TP for extremely cheap (comparably). I did this to complete my Ascended armor set of Light, Medium, and Heavy for the achievement. Later, I’ll change the stats with the new MF recipe.

BUT… each inscription only takes 25 Quartz. 6 × 25 is only 150 per weight class. So we can also speculate that some people are crafting and hoarding Sinister inscriptions as an investment.

I also wanted to hoard some stuff related to sinister as an investment but the inscriptions wasnt one of them because they arent tradeable, compared to the recipes, quartz and charged sheets.

I went for the sheets and quartz as i think those 2 are more affected by actual demand from consumers compared to the recipes, which were mostly traded bewtween traders. I flipped some of the recipes for a decent profit but overall, i made the most profit with the first 2.

Charge quartz also saw increase demand in the form of grow lamp. I sold a few at 22g+ a while back when princess came out and people clamored for Mawdrey to finish their set.

Sometime in the next year I suspect they will eventually upgrade jewelcrafting which would change a lot of things. The whole jewel system is fairly convoluted and I think they may do a complete overhaul which is why they shelved it. Of course that is highly speculative, and has no time frame so it isn’t really worth betting on, but I do think it will happen eventually.

Of course I also expect HoT to introduce multiple quartz nodes since we have cliffs, cities of gold, etc, that just screams quartz mining. Once HoT launches we will know for sure, but the prices will quickly adjust. I sold all my quartz when it hit 2.5s as I suspect it will come plummeting back down on HoT release.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Sometime in the next year I suspect they will eventually upgrade jewelcrafting which would change a lot of things. The whole jewel system is fairly convoluted and I think they may do a complete overhaul which is why they shelved it. Of course that is highly speculative, and has no time frame so it isn’t really worth betting on, but I do think it will happen eventually.

Of course I also expect HoT to introduce multiple quartz nodes since we have cliffs, cities of gold, etc, that just screams quartz mining. Once HoT launches we will know for sure, but the prices will quickly adjust. I sold all my quartz when it hit 2.5s as I suspect it will come plummeting back down on HoT release.

Yeah I will definately try to get rid of my stock before HoT, just to clear all my vaults for trading once it goes live. But until now, we dont have a release date yet and we might still be a couple of months off.
Before the balance patch, i still believed that Anet might add one or two content patches between now and HoT that would pour out some quartz (and other limited items) but im not so sure about that anymore.

I’m pretty sure that the TP update a while back “ate” the 100G of 24 copper stacks that I immediately bought and relisted during the festival last year.

I can’t even see the old sell orders but I remember the price I listed them and I didn’t get paid either.

At some price point, players will stop charging quartz they not need based on a hypothetical future use for the stuff by anet.

Great thread. Thanks to everyone posting (especially Wanze, for starting it).

Looks like someone read the thread and bought out a small chunk of quartz. Sub 300k supply now.

That’s because one of the living story season 1 events used to have quartz crystals drop quite frequently, but that came to a halt when season 2 started. Dry Top tried to rectify the problem, but nobody really goes to Dry Top anymore either.

Probably because the place is annoying as heck and the rewards are appalling.
Yes I too have finally hit the end of my quartz reserves.

nexxe.7081:

That’s because one of the living story season 1 events used to have quartz crystals drop quite frequently, but that came to a halt when season 2 started. Dry Top tried to rectify the problem, but nobody really goes to Dry Top anymore either.

Well there are still plenty of people in Dry Top even on a Monday evening. I zoned into DTop right at :40 after the hour to use some of my lockpicks and it was a T4 map with lots of people there. I’ve zoned in there to plenty of T1-2 maps, but its possible there was another full map that got higher. Never know.

Personally I’m at over 1500 quartz and I charge a quartz then I get 25 over that. I don’t hoard mats to sell, I hoard them to use. The only mats I generally sell are T5 mats when I get more than my crafting storage can hold.

Are you sure the ToT bags and Wintersday Gifts were dropping the charged quartz? Wintersday Gifts did drop charged at the beginning but that was a bug and it got fixed before the end of the event.

Khisanth.2948:

Are you sure the ToT bags and Wintersday Gifts were dropping the charged quartz? Wintersday Gifts did drop charged at the beginning but that was a bug and it got fixed before the end of the event.

By the end… I looted 300 of those things before they patched it. I’ll never need charged quartz again most likely.

Honestly seeing how I get some Quartz every day, and so do a lot of other players, I can’t see us have a shortage any time soon.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Khisanth.2948:

Are you sure the ToT bags and Wintersday Gifts were dropping the charged quartz? Wintersday Gifts did drop charged at the beginning but that was a bug and it got fixed before the end of the event.

By the end… I looted 300 of those things before they patched it. I’ll never need charged quartz again most likely.

I didnt do any tests on the gifts but took the info on the wiki but i usually get charged quartz from a batch of treat bags (1-2k) i open.

Carighan.6758:

Honestly seeing how I get some Quartz every day, and so do a lot of other players, I can’t see us have a shortage any time soon.

Well, feel free to tell us where you get your quartz because i sure as hell can only find 4 regular nodes in game that i can loot once per day, the rich node is only available during a t4 sandstorm in DT.

And i dont know at which supply level you gonna call it a shortage, i would say we are already in one.

Yeah those + the home node. Among all players that’s a steady income, do you need 1000 a day or what? I don’t exactly level a character I want to deck out in Celestial every 1-2 days.

Carighan.6758:

Yeah those + the home node. Among all players that’s a steady income, do you need 1000 a day or what? I don’t exactly level a character I want to deck out in Celestial every 1-2 days.

Did you check the graph to see what the thread is about? It’s not a steady amount coming in across all players. Supply has been dropping. The amount coming in is nowhere near replacement. This week, supply has dropped from 453k to 162k. For the first time it’s nearly even with demand at 155k and if the trend keeps up it will drop below demand.

https://www.gw2tp.com/item/43773-quartz-crystal

Carighan.6758:

Yeah those + the home node. Among all players that’s a steady income, do you need 1000 a day or what? I don’t exactly level a character I want to deck out in Celestial every 1-2 days.

Most of the people dont harvest in dry top, let alone the home node.
Anyways, if you do, you get 1 quartz as a minimumper pick, with a rare chance of 5 quartz or a charged.

You need 25 quartz per day to charge, so people have to buy to supplement.

you talk like you have only 1 character greated lol if you rly need more
you have at least 5char slots to go farm dry top…
but maybe you use only your main not sure about that o.O

if it rise 6-10s peopl are maybe go out and farm to sell who knows
(cough new trol jump puzzle 30s Chili Pepper camping yes random but you can also get other cooking stuff 1-5s for a few seconds log on a character a nice thing and i get chilli more often then silver dublons cough)
i compare it with oricaclum
stable but there are more resources
i think we get some more for quartz with hot

i think people are being a bit shortsighted about this.
There are two scenarios: the former is our present situation.

a) The total available quartz is too little for every account to produce a charged crystal everyday without running through their stockpile or buying to supplement. Quartz is valuable.
b)The total available quartz means that every account can produce a charged crystal every day. Not all do, because of laziness/ignorance/some other reason, but every day someone wishes to charge quartz, they can acquire enough without buying any. Quartz’ value falls to the highest someone is willing to pay to save them the trouble of harvesting it themselves, which will probably be at or barely above vendor value.

Everyone complaining about the shortage of quartz is effectively asking that it be made worthless.

Riesty.9075:

you talk like you have only 1 character greated lol if you rly need more
you have at least 5char slots to go farm dry top…
but maybe you use only your main not sure about that o.O

if it rise 6-10s peopl are maybe go out and farm to sell who knows
(cough new trol jump puzzle 30s Chili Pepper camping yes random but you can also get other cooking stuff 1-5s for a few seconds log on a character a nice thing and i get chilli more often then silver dublons cough)
i compare it with oricaclum
stable but there are more resources
i think we get some more for quartz with hot

Youre right, I only play 1 character. I have 4 more but i only use them for storage, crafting or opening champ bags at lowr levels to get t4 mats. As only 2 of them are level 80, i could only take those to DT.

That doesnt matter though because quartz nodes can only be harvested once per day per account. No point in parking any alts there.

Youre right, we probably will get some quartz with HoT but last time i checked, there wasnt even a release date yet.

Narrrz.7532:

i think people are being a bit shortsighted about this.
There are two scenarios: the former is our present situation.

a) The total available quartz is too little for every account to produce a charged crystal everyday without running through their stockpile or buying to supplement. Quartz is valuable.
b)The total available quartz means that every account can produce a charged crystal every day. Not all do, because of laziness/ignorance/some other reason, but every day someone wishes to charge quartz, they can acquire enough without buying any. Quartz’ value falls to the highest someone is willing to pay to save them the trouble of harvesting it themselves, which will probably be at or barely above vendor value.

Everyone complaining about the shortage of quartz is effectively asking that it be made worthless.

Quartz wasnt even at vendor value during the festival when it rained from the sky, so i doubt that adding a few new sources would crash the market.

not immediately, but if you get more than you can use, the value won’t rise, and sooner or later it will hit that ‘worthless’ point.

Narrrz.7532:

not immediately, but if you get more than you can use, the value won’t rise, and sooner or later it will hit that ‘worthless’ point.

That would be the case, if you would get quartz without farming for it but thats not the case. Lets take silk scraps for example.

Most players that want to craft their daily damask wont get 300 scraps per day, so they have to buy whatever they need from other players that dont need silk atm.
The diffrence between silk and quartz is that basically every player is getting a constant supply of silk, wether he is farming for it or not, it drops through secondary sources from almost any game content.
Quartz however, you have to go out of your way to farm it, into your home instance or dry top, you wont get any from other game content.

So most players who farm it already do so because they need it for themselves, players who farm it to sell for a profit dont make a big enough impact because they can only farm a small amount per day (not like other ressources, which you can farm indefintaely).

Supply on the tp is down to 50k now and prices passed 4s, the weekend gonna be interesting.

Interesting topic, in a “watching a car crash in slow motion” sort of way. Let’s see if threads pop up about prices and supply in another few days.

Here is the gw2tp for the Quartz crystals again for those who want to look at it.
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/43773-quartz-crystal

Hadn’t been affecting the Charged Ambrite prices yet.
https://www.gw2tp.com/item/67832-sheet-of-charged-ambrite

Who cares about Quartz, bring back Pieces of Zhaitaffy!

anabasis.7346:

Wanze.8410:

Supply on the tp is down to 50k now and prices passed 4s, the weekend gonna be interesting.

I guess this contributed a bit too. It was on the frontpage for many hours.

Whoever copied it to reddit forgot to copy the 2nd part of my OP.

Broken forums are broken.

i wonder how much higher the price will rise.