Guild Wars 2

DaveGan.8065:

This whole thread is basically A.) you arguing that these filters do not guarantee faster and better runs, and B.) others arguing that a guarantee isn’t necessary, and probable/very probable were good enough. Meanwhile, pretty much all evidence presented on both sides regarding total time spent has been completely anecdotal (I will argue why it may be irrelevant later) and does little to sway one side to the other.

Actually, this is not entirely accurate. The purpose of my original post was simply me stating my observations on certain LFG messages or occurrences in game and giving my thoughts on them, for the sake of interests and discussion. I was also hoping others would give their thoughts or perhaps reference their own observations. It’s all in good humor and I’m not looking down on anyone or anything, nor do I think my observations are necessarily 100% correct in all cases.

My only real argument was when someone stated that one of my observations were false just because their experiences were different. You can’t put a right or wrong to personal experience, but you can observe and relate your experiences to others, and then subsequently learn about theirs.

Tenrai Senshi.2017:

As someone who often plays with PUG groups in dungeons and fractals, it was inevitable that I’d notice many of the strange and funny LFG messages that people put out in the hopes of finding that “ideal” party in an effort to make their dungeon/fractal run as smooth or as fast as possible.

I thought I’d share some examples of these examples, as well as my thoughts on them.

“Fractal LvL X: Swamp ready!”

By far the easiest fractal, so.. Yeah roll swamp or I will.

“LFG Zerker only pls! Gear Check.”

Why arent you running zerking in PVE?

“LFP, 2 Warriors, 1 Mesmer, 1 Guard only!” (example)

Yeah this always irked me, but that’s mostly Anets fault. They didnt make other classes desirable enough to bring, especially necros.

oxtred.7658:

Harper.4173:

Tenrai Senshi.2017:

Harper.4173:

3)This is false. A lot of times i make these sorts of posts and people do join up with the right classes.
If they don’t – you kick and move on.

Just because in your experience, something didn’t happen, that doesn’t mean it is false. I’m basing what I said on my observations, and I’ve often seen groups looking for specific classes filled with completely different classes to the ones they are looking for. That much is certainly true and I’m sure you’d also notice similar cases yourself if you just took a look through the LFG system.

So why not just kick them? How is it a problem?

I LFG for a Guardian. A mesmer joins. I kick him – no problem.

It’s rather: I lfg for a guardian. Several upleveled rangers join. A warrior with dolyak signet enters and spam me because I kick him. A guard enters with a staff and proceed to wipe at the first trash, then leave. I lfg again, get a few upleveled joining and quitting without a word. I get a few eles. Some random joins and asks for a taxi for the fgs farm. Necro joins. A guard come, ping condi gear. At this point, 2 of the pugs I had quitted because they kept dying. I lfg for “zerk, meta”, etc. I get full ptv guys not speaking english. At this point the dungeon is done and I don’t bother.

You must have the worst experience.

I usually kick anything that doesn’t adhere to the LFG I posted.
I also block them if they start whispering.

Kahrgan.7401:

Why arent you running zerking in PVE?

Who said I’m not running zerker gear? O_o

Lol.. these zerkers in PVE….

Don’t get me started on the achievment point bs. It doesn’t show in any way how good someone is at the game. I got kicked from 5k ap group for having 4995 points, i’m not even kidding. And got message on pm “5k+ only noob” If you want to have fun, just avoid people that request ap. Few weeks ago while doing a fractal, the one with jumping puzzle. 3 of us made it to the other side, and 2 other guys (Look at me i’m pro at the game i have 15k+ ap, from the same guild. After they failed the puzzle 5 times in a row. They kicked the 3 of us from the party. Not to mention that you will find party in few sec, if you don’t say “zerker only + x ap”

It would be hilarious craft ascended toughness, vita, healing power gear, join noob zerker party and ping gear. When they start to whine you would just say “oh i thought you wanted zerger gear”.

Conaywea.5062:

Yeah , when i see people asking for 5000 ap for AC story… What the F….

Oh you wanted to help Rytlock find Eir Stegalkin in the depths of the Ascalonian Catacombs, son? Not on my bloody watch. You must go and kill 50 critters and chop 20 wood. Do this every day and by the next summer you’ll be skilled enough to accompany me.

LFG Fractals Swamp ready…

Well, I do not mind starting a fractal lvl 30 or lower somewhere else, just to keep some experience in those. If a fractal is ready np, if 2 or 3 ppl actually entered I just prefer to go with the normal flow of things getting in and out undtil the owner finds his desired map can be a huge waste of time, especially if RNG gods are mad…

LFG Zerks only….
Well do you mean zerk only? or would you also allow Assassin? or other full dmg stats?

Personally I’d prefer people to run, zerk, assassin, sinister, (rampager), or zealot. these stats with thoughtout builds will improve the quality of runs, BUT I’m not going to check your build and gear, It’s a waste of time. With 5 ppl in soldiers and knights a dugeon can be run as well withotu problems, it takes longer yes it could actually take 2-3 minutes more, but if they are experienced and do what they should it really doesn’t matter too much.

LFG 80
lvl 80, with gear and traits? well generally I prefer it since the trait changes, running ac with a lvl 35 in rares was easy, now it’s easy as well BUT you’ll have no real trait functionality…

LFG EXP
Experienced, experienced doesn’t mean stack or no stack, it just means you know the dungeon, how to use stack or non stack, so you can do both.

LFG (X)XXXX AP
hoping for better gear is nice, or more experience but i have friends in wvw with 10k AP who -never- did 1 dungeon path…Ever…

LFG 80 Meta EXP Zerk 15000 Gear Check
What tends to matter is: ppl shouting: “Meta EXP Zerk 15000AP Gear Check”
then open and then noticing:
-ppl not meleeing if possible. Zerk rifle/LB warrior? WUHAHAHHAHA
-nobody using food, or forgetting to change food, SE?
-nobody taking banners to next fight….
-not providing swiftness (with the banners maybe?)
-needing to clear inventories, well go waste your own time! not ours!
-pull to early, leaving only part of the party to start the fight or denying ppl waypoints
-do not stack might, who cares about the 875 power/875 condition dmg? see also previous point…
-do not use dropped elementalist weapons, even if they would just use 1 skill then drop’m like they should
-forget to buff themselves after recharge of skills…. fight takes 60 secs, only hear FGJ at start?
-lastly I do not know many players with dedicated weapons for combat, the ones with sigil of the night and x-slaying or force and x-slaying… as most people do not bother with them. (I do not bother with them myself I just run bloodlust and strength or bloodlust and force) but it will add to dps.

Showing they are n(O)(O)bish wannabees, even though they want a perfect party.

I do not ask for this I’ll see what I get. I’ll keep mine at lvl 80 exp, Just because ppl will be eared in exotics and traited. I do not know if people are joining are honest and I do not care. It sometimes proves to be a challenge, and in the long run it tends to be more fun the running COF 1 for the 1000th time with people who not even take the effort to pop a potion of flamelegion slaying and do not care compared to people who say they care and do not put any effort towards running a decent run except for making a nice line in LFG.

And yes I know, I called myself a noob in this one as well, as I do not abide by the list of speedrunning musts, even though I have the knowledge… with 15000 AP and 15 characters with a myriad of builds I tend to say,

YOU ARE ONLY A DUNGEON EXPERT IF YOU CAN FINISH WITH ALL BUILDS ON ALL LEVELS WITH A MIX OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE VARYING LEVELS OF EXPERIENCE, KNOWING AND EXPLAINING THE DUNGEON AND MAKE A PLAN OF APPROACH WHICH KEEPS THE PARTY MOVING ON WITHOUT TOO MUCH PROBLEMS, MAKING SURE YOU AND OTHERS HAVE GOOD FUN (IT’S A GAME!!)

(just 1 remark, 5 sentinels, 5 nomads, 5 magi, or 5 clerics will finish a dungeon as well but I really hope to never have to go through it again (did 1 run with 5 cleric gurdians in the firt 3 months after release and it’s facerolling everything but SLOW……..))

And yes I know why people run zerk, and I also why people do not run dps builds not based on zerk, and I hope the zerks know that even in zek parties a lot can be done with 1 zealot and 1 rampager or sinister instead of all zerks. zealot ele can refresh the whole party in 5 seconds after you missed a dodge at kohler, and rampager or sinister necro’s,engineers, warriors, rangers could add a lot of condition “utility”

Condition users:
- -33% health gain on heal (poison)
- dmg on skilluse (confusion)
- just kite ’m to death (torment)
- or plain dmg (fire/bleeds)

For all:
- blinds (miss)
- 50% fumbles & no crits (weakness)
- less attacks, easier kite (freeze)
- vulnerability (more dps)
- stuns/dazes (no enemy dps)

Of course the combo’s are the wow factor.
Might, swiftness, chaos armor, fire armor, stealth, weakness, confusion, and many other things can be created by synergizing your skill use.