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Posted by: Leo G.4501

Leo G.4501

Again, no. You’ve focused on semantics and reiterating arguments, so you’ve assumed that that’s what everyone else is doing.

Nah, I tend to limit how many times I reiterate arguments, and that just in case people joining a discussion didn’t read the rest of the thread. And no, I’m not assuming. I mean, did you not just engage in a back and forth about someone posting an opinion that you mistake as someone else stating their post as a fact? It’s just not within the realm of what I’ve been arguing for.

Try this:

  • Make a list of the features that you would like to see included with a new race.
  • For each feature, identify which ANet teams would have to be involved. You don’t have to know the names of the teams; it can be as simple as story, writing, armor design, combat animation, etc.
  • For each team, also identify if the effort is once only or requires ongoing maintenance. (For example, setting up the Wardrobe was a major effort, but adding new skins to it requires no work beyond adding the skin. In contrast, adding a new NPC to Living World means arranging for 5 new actors for as long as the story continues.)

Again, you’re not really understanding the perspective I’m coming from. For me to make a list of features I want, is completely contrary to what my approach is, which is to question what a feature NEEDS and THEN discuss further, i.e. is a feature really needed? Can it be reduced or added over time? Can something replace a particular feature? If it’s uncircumventable, how much effort would truly be required for implementation and can that be reduced in some way? And if these changes in effort affects the overall quality and in what way?

I personally don’t think singling out which teams are required for a specific feature would help determine the overall stress on Anet as a whole as it seems most “teams” are either made up of multi-talented individuals or specialists of each required field being split among each team.

Here’s what others are doing with their own similar lists and the lists they’ve seen from others:

  • Estimate how popular this would be for the community: niche appeal, minority appeal, broadly popular, or wildly popular.
  • Compare the estimated effort to similar initiatives that ANet has implemented in the past (and/or seems to be working on now).

If you take the (small amount of) time to do this, you’ll discover what others have found: whatever effort that one might devote to a new race could also be spent on a variety of other things; in nearly all cases, those other things have a wider appeal than a new race.

In short, the question has never been: would people enjoy one or more new races in the game? (The answer is: most certainly.) Instead, people are asking: would a new race be the best use of limited resources, given the alternatives?

And frankly, I think your conclusion (if a feature is the best use of resources) is simply an assumption based on opinion. You can’t know what resources are necessary, you can’t gauge the amount of effort properly, you guess that these limited resources would simply all be wasted on a singular feature instead of rationed to provide a multitude of content and then you take all that (small amount) time you spent conjuring that conclusion to stifle constructive discussion to actually get a feature implemented.

That is to say, you can do whatever you want in these threads, get whomever you want shutdown by repeating yourself, but don’t come at a problem thinking making a sacrifice is somehow inherently the linchpin of any feature and thus its downfall. Anything worth doing requires sacrifice.

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Posted by: MoarChaos.8320

MoarChaos.8320

A new race is possible. I just very much dislike it being equated to fresh content, that the game will turn to when we somehow run out of interesting maps. Tengu for me would be the stalest of popcorn. A one and done affair, since new races are a staple for getting new players excited. They’ll finally be in a populated low level zone. That of course doesn’t have to be the level they put a new race in as, but then that’s not really marketing to the correct target market if it’s aimed at vets. Veterans don’t sustain games T^T I try my best though T^T

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Posted by: Fireballer.2956

Fireballer.2956

wait what do you mean the chances of a new race is slim? coming out with the rev was more important then a new race but that was then we already have the revenant now they can/should come out with a new race we don’t need another class we have 3 heavy 3 light and 3 medium, there is no need for another class I think a good way to get more people playing this game is to get more new races 5 races alone cannot not cut it if they have a problem with the armor like they did with the charr and yet people still play it even though the charr has some armor issues, besides we seen how the tengu are with fighting animations. We know just by looking at them armor is the least of the problem, besides they have a more humanoid body type vs the charr. Being stuck with 5 races is getting boring and I would love to try something new I cannot think of one game that has birds as a primary race. NOW yes this takes time but what they lose they can earn most of it back with coming out with a new race. YES at the time revenant was more important but the rev already came out if they managed with the armor on the charr they can manage with the tengu or kodan.

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Posted by: Naus the Gobbo.5172

Naus the Gobbo.5172

I just want my tengu.

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Posted by: Fireballer.2956

Fireballer.2956

i know how you feel man i feel the same.

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Posted by: Stand The Wall.6987

Stand The Wall.6987

if there is a new race, I hope its the grawl.
ugg make smash!

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

Amaimon.7823

if there is a new race, I hope its the grawl.
ugg make smash!

WHRII-HA-RA
WHRII-HA-RA

I miss their chants from GW1

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Posted by: Fireballer.2956

Fireballer.2956

i don’t think it will be grawl they don’t have a big impact there even a more lesser race then the tengu/kodan there so dumb and can be easily fooled plus there kinda weak compared to allot of the other races I just don’t see it happening with the grawl there just the type of race that is good to look at.

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Posted by: Stand The Wall.6987

Stand The Wall.6987

if there is a new race, I hope its the grawl.
ugg make smash!

WHRII-HA-RA
WHRII-HA-RA

I miss their chants from GW1

FINALLY someone who gets it lol.

i don’t think it will be grawl they don’t have a big impact there even a more lesser race then the tengu/kodan there so dumb and can be easily fooled plus there kinda weak compared to allot of the other races I just don’t see it happening with the grawl there just the type of race that is good to look at.

I’m telling you, something is in the works for these guys. read under the first line of religion .

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Posted by: Fireballer.2956

Fireballer.2956

Hey, guys, I know most of you heard of this topic before and said many times again that tengu may not be a new race because of armor clippings and etc and there is some of you saying that having the tengu as a new race would be awesome. Now back when the game first came out tengu was supposed to be one of the race we could play but for some reason, its been scrapped now like I said in some other fourms we can have them as a new race I’ve said before we have seen how they fight we know they have been around in the game since guild wars 1, people are worried about how the armor may look on a tengu and how long it might take ok but consider this the armor well some of it looks nasty on the charr and yet we still play charr. We or those that played HoT have seen some of the tengus in magumma using 2 daggers I have but anyway despite the fact that it might take some time to work with THATS FINE! We would just have to be patient then now I seen some of you say hey they can use that time for something else or hey that money can be saved if they use it there budget might go down, right? Well like I said before in another post what they lost they can earn allot of it back with coming out with a new race, there is many was they can make the tengu come to tyria and hey those of you who don’t like the tengu don’t have to play it but lets be honest DO YOU REALLY WANNA BE STUCK WITH 5 RACES? If so I get it fine it but at least the tengu has a good start I mean they have a city and etc and if this takes, months or years then we should be patient enough but for those of you who agree let’s gather around and talk about how much we want this race. REMEMBER THE MORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS THE MORE ARENANET WILL LISTEN ARENANET IS TALENTED AND THEY HAVE GOOD IDEAS THEYCAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

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Posted by: Fireballer.2956

Fireballer.2956

I found this somewhere on Devianart but wouldn’t that be a great idea for there culture weapons?

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Posted by: Sirius.4510

Sirius.4510

There actually was a set in GW1. Had some excellent skins, especially the staff. https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Gallery_of_Tengu_weapons
That’s a talented artist up there, though.

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Posted by: Fireballer.2956

Fireballer.2956

oh wow people are saying domianin of winds would have to be the only city for the tengu well how about the gate in lions arch with that island closer to kyrta?

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Posted by: Amaimon.7823

Amaimon.7823

oh wow people are saying domianin of winds would have to be the only city for the tengu well how about the gate in lions arch with that island closer to kyrta?

Thats also the dominion of the winds. Just the gate of the other side

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Posted by: Adry.7512

Adry.7512

hmmmm so my thread was merged squints eyes….I see you wish to gather information Anet…I see. Well JUST SAYING, if you make a new race we do expect a rework of it, if its a race we currently see in open world (like Tengu for example). Just like you ndid a rework on charr to add more detail and variety.)))))))