Guild Wars 2

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

WvW still not about the 1v1 and is still not made to be a fair game you guys just cant get over your owns egos to see this. If you lose a fight its become of ascended items just keep telling your self that as your stomped in to the ground by the other worlds. Also quit WvW leave your worlds undefended THAT is the right thing to do to be so helpful to your world.

Spoken like a classic PPT gazer. There are a lot of people that play on the WvW maps as an open world PVP environment rather than drooling and charging around behind the dorito spamming 1.

No its spoken like a player who knows the real meat behind WvW. You can play is as an open world PvP but your not going to help your world out by doing so. WvW is about movements as a team. If any thing your coming off as the type of player who “does there own thing” in WvW or you know a “rally bot” player.

To be a ‘rally bot’ I would have to be in your mindless zerg mate, not gonna happen. There is no ‘real meat’ behind under in or on WvW. By help my world you mean contribute to the PPT? The WvW that you are referring to is not about ‘moving as a team’, its about population stacking and off hours capping.

To be a “rally bot” you must be doing your own thing in a fight nothing to do with being mindless in a zerg lol. There are no much things as truly mindless zerg there are non communication zergs (though the idea of zergs is that they are of one mind working as a team they just work very well in a larges group). If your not chatting your not realty playing with other ppl.
PPT is very important to wvw YOU cant help how your world plays but YOU can help how you play. If you willing to let wvw die for you and your world over these weapons Then you where never a wvw player in the first places. Your just a pve er who playing vs real ppl as your farm tools.

haxi.9038:

Lurch.9517:

haxi.9038:

lol how come no one complains about stuff like +250vitality acquired through gri…err i mean advancing in wvw rank

That’s been done to death also but it can at least be achieved purely by playing WvW

haha isnt that exactly the same thing? well 250 to a stat is a far more crazy advantage if you ask me

Well no its not at all really, if you look at the title of this thread its about why ascended gear is bad for WvW. The guard ability bonuses are gained only from playing WvW, if u could have got the guard bonuses by killing 200 dragons and bumming the mad King in PVE and have them instantly day 1 of when WvW ability bonuses were introduced then yes that would be a bad thing.

Hey it’s not that complicated to make one. Once you’ve levelled crafting to 450 it’s just the matter spending about 15 minutes a day crafting, for 10 days.

It’s way easier than I thought it would be.

The difference now is 13% more damage.

With WHOLE ascended (armor, sigils, runes and infusions) we are looking at 25-30% damage increase.

Lurch.9517:

haxi.9038:

Lurch.9517:

haxi.9038:

lol how come no one complains about stuff like +250vitality acquired through gri…err i mean advancing in wvw rank

That’s been done to death also but it can at least be achieved purely by playing WvW

haha isnt that exactly the same thing? well 250 to a stat is a far more crazy advantage if you ask me

Well no its not at all really, if you look at the title of this thread its about why ascended gear is bad for WvW. The guard ability bonuses are gained only from playing WvW, if u could have got the guard bonuses by killing 200 dragons and bumming the mad King in PVE and have them instantly day 1 of when WvW ability bonuses were introduced then yes that would be a bad thing.

Indeed but wvw was never fair from the start. There are many things such as food that make whatever bonuses ascended weps give look like a joke. It is not as big an issue as you think.

MikaHR.1978:

The difference now is 13% more damage.

With WHOLE ascended (armor, sigils, runes and infusions) we are looking at 25-30% damage increase.

>.< Where do ppl get those numbers from? anyway the info on http://gw2buildcraft.com/ is wrong my 1h legendaries only give 5% crit dmg not 6%

tom.7468:

are you seriously complaining about 9 more primary stat 6more minor stat and 50 more damage? wow l2p they should be 200 more damage at least.

50 more damage is misleading due to the multiplicative nature of weapon power and power. It’s more accurate to say 5% more damage. 200 more damage would be a 20% damage increase.

haxi.9038:

MikaHR.1978:

The difference now is 13% more damage.

With WHOLE ascended (armor, sigils, runes and infusions) we are looking at 25-30% damage increase.

>.< Where do ppl get those numbers from? anyway the info on http://gw2buildcraft.com/ is wrong my 1h legendaries only give 5% crit dmg not 6%

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQFABGAMPAAgeOFoS9AAAoD-jACBYfAEBAJPFRjtNoIas6aYKXCRaXp2auIa1CBMaMA-e

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQFABGAMPAAgeOFoS9AAAoD-jwxAYLAiAQyrIasthioxqWwUlER1ejioVLEwoxA-e

And dont forget 2 missing infusion slots on GS

Ascended weapons are stupid in WvW for all the same reasons Ascended trinkets and the ridiculous Guard Leech nonsense are stupid.

I don’t want to grind. I don’t care about agony. I don’t care about ranks. I don’t care about titles. I don’t care about “progression”. I care about going into a relatively even playfield and fighting other guys. That. Is. It. Instead, I now find myself thinking about rewards and the fastest way to acquire them, not how to best serve my world. My best time in Guild Wars 2 was when I just got all of my exotics… and I was done. I could do whatever I wanted and I was fighting at my best.

If SPvP and its rewards weren’t so bad, I would have encouraged them to apply the same concept to WvW, but to be quite frank SPvP’s standards are too low and there aren’t even enough armor and weapons skins as rewards. PvE at least gives you a good selection of things to choose from and much more customization in stats. So whatever.

I protested, but ignored the kitten trinkets. I hated the idea of Guard Leech, but I dealt with it. But enough is enough. This is not the game I was told I was going to buy. This is a different animal. If I wanted to grind for gear, I’d play WoW, because they do it much better than this game.

As weapons are dumb and they are bad.

“They don’t make a difference.” You are wrong. In PvP, the smallest differences are the differences between death and life with a mere 5 HP left. Hence, Iron Branches and Tread switching in DOTA. Hence players in Starcraft 2 perfecting builds to shave off just 1 second on a build. PvPers want to fight at their best – which is why they are the ones who have every food buff and Guard Leech. There is a difference between an army of full As men, and an army of uplevels and toons in rares.

I came here for WvW, and almost precisely because there would be no grind for gear. I knew going in that I’d reach 80, buy my exotics, and that would be it. Those were the reasons I came to this game. And then… betrayal.

But whatever man. I’m sure I’ll keep logging in and find some dorito to follow so my poor alt that doesn’t even have ascended trinkets doesn’t get horribly murdered by GUARD LEECH/LEGENDARY/AS TRINKET roamer teams.

OR

I could play games where my intelligence is respected and I’m not supposed to constantly move forward chasing a worthless carrot, which is what other MMO’s do, and this one promised not to.

Jski.6180:

No its spoken like a player who knows the real meat behind WvW. You can play is as an open world PvP but your not going to help your world out by doing so. WvW is about movements as a team. If any thing your coming off as the type of player who “does there own thing” in WvW or you know a “rally bot” player.

There are many facets to WvW. My guild sometimes likes to get a raiding party together and take all the camps on a borderland, slapping yaks along the way. Ever try defending a keep without supply coming in?

TainoFuerte.8136:

I came here for WvW, and almost precisely because there would be no grind for gear. I knew going in that I’d reach 80, buy my exotics, and that would be it. Those were the reasons I came to this game.

<snip>

I could play games where my intelligence is respected and I’m not supposed to constantly move forward chasing a worthless carrot, which is what other MMO’s do, and this one promised not to.

Exactly this. I can remember playing Rift and discussing on those forums how GW2 was promising to provide an open world, strategy-based PvP environment with little (in the case of WvW) or no (in the case of sPvP) stat grind … simply a large scale way to compete against an intelligent and resourceful opponent.

Look what we’ve gotten instead. I don’t know whether upcoming games like TESO will live up to their promises any better than ANet has, but I sure as hell will be switching to find out.

I would be fine if legendary weapons were the only weapons with the extra stats boost. That way it would make them more “legendary” and less people would have them. That being said all these people complaining about the “even playing field on wvw” is wanting something completely different than what wvw is. Wvw is literally the wild west of pvp. You build your build in pve and take everything you got to wvw to battle. Anything goes in there (even though some of it is looked down upon by the community), double teams, triple teams, quadruple teams, siege adding to battles. If you go in with yellows or greens then you need to know that you will be at a disadvantage. So same thing applies here, no ascended weapon? Know that you will be slightly disadvantaged.

What it seems like a lot of people in here are clamoring for is larger scale pvp on an even playing field….so to that I say gvg arenas would maybe solve that problem. Introducing an arena in the heart of the mists that supports gvg with siege and everything. Wvw style large scale combat but with an even playing field.

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Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

WvW still not about the 1v1 and is still not made to be a fair game you guys just cant get over your owns egos to see this. If you lose a fight its become of ascended items just keep telling your self that as your stomped in to the ground by the other worlds. Also quit WvW leave your worlds undefended THAT is the right thing to do to be so helpful to your world.

Spoken like a classic PPT gazer. There are a lot of people that play on the WvW maps as an open world PVP environment rather than drooling and charging around behind the dorito spamming 1.

No its spoken like a player who knows the real meat behind WvW. You can play is as an open world PvP but your not going to help your world out by doing so. WvW is about movements as a team. If any thing your coming off as the type of player who “does there own thing” in WvW or you know a “rally bot” player.

To be a ‘rally bot’ I would have to be in your mindless zerg mate, not gonna happen. There is no ‘real meat’ behind under in or on WvW. By help my world you mean contribute to the PPT? The WvW that you are referring to is not about ‘moving as a team’, its about population stacking and off hours capping.

To be a “rally bot” you must be doing your own thing in a fight nothing to do with being mindless in a zerg lol. There are no much things as truly mindless zerg there are non communication zergs (though the idea of zergs is that they are of one mind working as a team they just work very well in a larges group). If your not chatting your not realty playing with other ppl.
PPT is very important to wvw YOU cant help how your world plays but YOU can help how you play. If you willing to let wvw die for you and your world over these weapons Then you where never a wvw player in the first places. Your just a pve er who playing vs real ppl as your farm tools.

I responded once to this but an over enthusiastic mod deleted it. I will try to explain myself better to you so you can perhaps step outside of your world for a moment and look through the eyes of another. There are quite a few people playing this game who come from previous MMO’s with open world PVP and RVR environments such as AION/Age of Conan /WAR/DAOC to name some. Myself and presumably a fair amount of other people were attracted to this game by the idea of WvW (open world PVP RVR environment) and minimal gear grind. It became painfully obvious very early on that WvW dynamics encouraged and rewarded Zerging (that thing you like doing) which is a frowned upon and clkitten way of playing in other games and generally only practised by bads that have to rely on numbers rather than ability.

The lack of population control in servers compounded the broken mechanics in WvW therefore meaning that to ‘win’ (ooh whats my prize? Oh nothing) the most effective way of achieving this is to stack as many people as possible on the server and have the best time zone coverage. To someone that came here for open world PVP fun fights this is not interesting so I and quite a few others stopped really caring about PPT and server rank quite a long time ago and try to extract some fun fights in the environment of our choice.

You are enjoying playing WvW as it is ‘intended’ to be played, I dont think it would be hyperbole on my part to say that if you came to an EU server below T1 you would find yourself in the minority.

Now, all that being said, Ascended weapons being introduced to the game is bad for people like myself and nothing you can possibly say will change that. I hope you understand where I am coming from with my previous posts, if you are still not on the same page as me my next reply will have to involve crayons and a dry wipe board.

Wow. Complain more, please. All I can say is: I’ll see you all in WvW on my invisible Thief with full ascended gear. But you won’t see me until I one-shot you into the ground.

Instead of complaining, start working toward your ascended stuff. I’m already more than 70% done collecting the mats for my ascended daggers. Have fun, complainers!

Side effect = exotics have come WAAAAYY down in price making them extremely accessible.

When the difference in damage is <3-4% to ascended weapon I dont see a problem.

shimmerless.4560:

Agaetis.4518:

Saying that exotic to ascended is a 5% damage boost is wrong. So I did a little test in the builder. Let me know if I did something wrong.

1. full berserker warrior without ascended weapons and exotic trinkets:

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8.2|7.1g.h1h.9.1g.h1|1.1g.h1|1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7|1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67|u5ab.a1.0.0.u69c|0.0|5x.6d.6e.6c.6m|e

= 6503 effective power

2. full berserker warrior with ascended weapons and exotic trinkets:

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/warrior/?8.2|7.5g.h1h.9.5g.h1|1.1g.h1|1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7.1g.a7|1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67.1g.67|u5ab.a1.0.0.u69c|0.0|5x.6d.6e.6c.6m|e

= 6582 effective power = 1.1% increase in effective power

With all the ascended gear that we will get over the next 1-2 it will add up to maybe 15-20% damage increase. Significant but not gamebreaking imo, especially in the bigger pic

That GW2Buildcraft site is pretty much total hokum.

Care to explain yourself?

Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

WvW still not about the 1v1 and is still not made to be a fair game you guys just cant get over your owns egos to see this. If you lose a fight its become of ascended items just keep telling your self that as your stomped in to the ground by the other worlds. Also quit WvW leave your worlds undefended THAT is the right thing to do to be so helpful to your world.

Spoken like a classic PPT gazer. There are a lot of people that play on the WvW maps as an open world PVP environment rather than drooling and charging around behind the dorito spamming 1.

No its spoken like a player who knows the real meat behind WvW. You can play is as an open world PvP but your not going to help your world out by doing so. WvW is about movements as a team. If any thing your coming off as the type of player who “does there own thing” in WvW or you know a “rally bot” player.

To be a ‘rally bot’ I would have to be in your mindless zerg mate, not gonna happen. There is no ‘real meat’ behind under in or on WvW. By help my world you mean contribute to the PPT? The WvW that you are referring to is not about ‘moving as a team’, its about population stacking and off hours capping.

To be a “rally bot” you must be doing your own thing in a fight nothing to do with being mindless in a zerg lol. There are no much things as truly mindless zerg there are non communication zergs (though the idea of zergs is that they are of one mind working as a team they just work very well in a larges group). If your not chatting your not realty playing with other ppl.
PPT is very important to wvw YOU cant help how your world plays but YOU can help how you play. If you willing to let wvw die for you and your world over these weapons Then you where never a wvw player in the first places. Your just a pve er who playing vs real ppl as your farm tools.

first to say your more wrong then wrong if you really think that a roamer is not helping your server just as much as a zerg or blob if they dont do a hell lot more for the world and the score.
first off the most importent thing in wvw to gain points is to hold tactical points they get easyer if you get some supply in thoes tactical points(also knows as towers and keeps) but the roamer is dening the supply to the enemy to the best of hes abillety and if its done right it can mean the diffrence if a zerg/blob takes a keep or tower as it got denied supply and therefor denined upgrades;)
remember the ppt games is bigger then your online times and alot more tactical then 1 blob to rule them all if people wants to go agienst it.

but i have mixed fealings with the ascended weapons but the OPs refence is worth nothing as its a old statment that could have been changed 100 times by now.

Galtrix.7369:

Wow. Complain more, please. All I can say is: I’ll see you all in WvW on my invisible Thief with full ascended gear. But you won’t see me until I one-shot you into the ground.

Instead of complaining, start working toward your ascended stuff. I’m already more than 70% done collecting the mats for my ascended daggers. Have fun, complainers!

Make sure you buy all my ancient wood that I bought before the patch and have relisted now at 10x the price and enjoy all those juicy carrots you are going to be crunching

Jski.6180:

Lurch.9517:

Jski.6180:

WvW still not about the 1v1 and is still not made to be a fair game you guys just cant get over your owns egos to see this. If you lose a fight its become of ascended items just keep telling your self that as your stomped in to the ground by the other worlds. Also quit WvW leave your worlds undefended THAT is the right thing to do to be so helpful to your world.

Spoken like a classic PPT gazer. There are a lot of people that play on the WvW maps as an open world PVP environment rather than drooling and charging around behind the dorito spamming 1.

No its spoken like a player who knows the real meat behind WvW. You can play is as an open world PvP but your not going to help your world out by doing so. WvW is about movements as a team. If any thing your coming off as the type of player who “does there own thing” in WvW or you know a “rally bot” player.

Counterpoint.

I do tend to do my own thing in WvW, but you know what I do? I’m the guy trebbing Anzalias and QL for half an hour while the Zerg takes your keep. I’m the guy setting up siege on the corners of the walls. I’m the guy repairing walls, repairing gates, building canons, building cauldrons and ticking the siege, aswell as keeping n eye on the yaks inbound and outbound to SMC, aswell as upgrading outlying towers while the enemy deals with defence.

You can be even more contributive as a solo-operative on WvW, if you know what you’re doing, and effectively help your world too. And you know what? In doing this, I get ALOT less loot than the rest of my team, so this is anything but selfish.

Lurch.9517:

Galtrix.7369:

Wow. Complain more, please. All I can say is: I’ll see you all in WvW on my invisible Thief with full ascended gear. But you won’t see me until I one-shot you into the ground.

Instead of complaining, start working toward your ascended stuff. I’m already more than 70% done collecting the mats for my ascended daggers. Have fun, complainers!

Make sure you buy all my ancient wood that I bought before the patch and have relisted now at 10x the price and enjoy all those juicy carrots you are going to be crunching

I don’t need to. I’ve played mmo’s my entire life and I know how the economy works. I bought all the tier 1 – tier 6 mats I needed before the patch, and now all that’s left is the ascended mats. You’re not getting a single copper from me.

Galtrix.7369:

Lurch.9517:

Galtrix.7369:

Wow. Complain more, please. All I can say is: I’ll see you all in WvW on my invisible Thief with full ascended gear. But you won’t see me until I one-shot you into the ground.

Instead of complaining, start working toward your ascended stuff. I’m already more than 70% done collecting the mats for my ascended daggers. Have fun, complainers!

Make sure you buy all my ancient wood that I bought before the patch and have relisted now at 10x the price and enjoy all those juicy carrots you are going to be crunching

I don’t need to. I’ve played mmo’s my entire life and I know how the economy works. I bought all the tier 1 – tier 6 mats I needed before the patch, and now all that’s left is the ascended mats. You’re not getting a single copper from me.

Well done you for working out exactly how much ancient wood and orichalcum you will need to get your crafting skills to 450 on top of all you will need for making the ascended weapon sets required for each one of your builds. You must have a big ol bank tab

Ascended weapons are a boon to gw2. WvW is not hurt by them. Technology is one component of war strategy but not the only one. WvW biggest factors are population, timezones, and match ups.

Of course technology is a factor but that technology advantage is diffused evenly, to a degree, in all servers i.e. each server has their share of legendaries and soon ascended users.

So categorically saying ascended weapons are “bad” is ill put.

Maestria of Strat.2974:

Ascended weapons are a boon to gw2. WvW is not hurt by them. Technology is one component of war strategy but not the only one. WvW biggest factors are population, timezones, and match ups.

Of course technology is a factor but that technology advantage is diffused evenly, to a degree, in all servers i.e. each server has their share of legendaries and soon ascended users.

So categorically saying ascended weapons are “bad” is ill put.

This would imply that you are happy and comfortable with playing the WvW game mode as ‘intended’ by Anet and at the same time did little other than compose your factually correct tho in context irrelevant post if you had then bothered to read the rest of the posts in this somewhat badly titled thread. And breathe.

If you honestly think Ascended gear is a boon to GW2 then why on earth did you leave WOW?

To those there are complaining about Ascended Weapons saying that you can’t get them through WvW, last time i checked there were crafting stations on WvW as well as gathering nodes and item drops that you can salvage for mats, on top of that you can get all of the ascended mats through WvW, and if you’re lucky you might just get the weapon from the same place.
So saying you can’t get them through WvW is nothing but misinformation.

Kilger.5490:

Side effect = exotics have come WAAAAYY down in price making them extremely accessible.

When the difference in damage is <3-4% to ascended weapon I dont see a problem.

Well to be fair, exotics were never enormously expensive, barring stuff like Ilya and MAYBE the Corrupted/Destroyer weapons >~>;

Samhaim.8956:

To those there are complaining about Ascended Weapons saying that you can’t get them through WvW, last time i checked there were crafting stations on WvW as well as gathering nodes and item drops that you can salvage for mats, on top of that you can get all of the ascended mats through WvW, and if you’re lucky you might just get the weapon from the same place.
So saying you can’t get them through WvW is nothing but misinformation.

You must be joking. The number of gathering nodes is very very small. In all of WvW there are at most 2 nodes of Ancient wood. Sure mats can drop, but kill rates in WvW are way below kill rates in PvE.

But that’s not the point. The point is that Ascended gear provides zero positives to the WvW experience. We do not need vertical progression in this game mode (Guard Leech is equally ridiculous).

And yes, WvW is not an equal playing field, but that doesn’t mean you should screw that up even more.

As a rare WvWer, I feel for players who prefer player versus player combat in WvW, but who also want the best stats. The game’s current design forces the choice to play WvW and ignore the BiS weapon, to play WvW and hope for a miracle drop, or to go to work in PvE. GW was a lot friendlier to players who wanted only to PvP — Balthazar faction could be used to unlock everything you’d need, stat-wise, and you got it by playing PvP.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Yeah. This is REALLY bad for WvW. Once Ascended armors come, those without Ascended gear will be way behind.

I can see the forum posts now about going into WvW for the first (and last) time — being one-shotted by an invisible thief with full Ascended gear (weapons, armor, trinkets) and the Guard Killer line maxed.

If Ascended gear were easy to get (like Exotics) they would still be a bad idea, but with the way they are now, with the heavy amount of grind necessary, they are an absolutely terrible addition to the game.

Together with the terrible proposed implementation of Leagues, WvW is in for a rough future.

Our guild just hopes ESO is out by the time Ascended armor is introduced.

Thrumdi.9216:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Yeah. This is REALLY bad for WvW. Once Ascended armors come, those without Ascended gear will be way behind.

I can see the forum posts now about going into WvW for the first (and last) time — being one-shotted by an invisible thief with full Ascended gear (weapons, armor, trinkets) and the Guard Killer line maxed.

If Ascended gear were easy to get (like Exotics) they would still be a bad idea, but with the way they are now, with the heavy amount of grind necessary, they are an absolutely terrible addition to the game.

Together with the terrible proposed implementation of Leagues, WvW is in for a rough future.

Our guild just hopes ESO is out by the time Ascended armor is introduced.

Unfortunately it wont. Hoping for beat though. Have a lot of free time now though