Guild Wars 2

- Some people are set in their ways and do not understand that expansions do not fit this game at all.
- boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.
- this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.
- let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.

Latinkuro.9420:

- Some people are set in their ways and do not understand that expansions do not fit this game at all.
- boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.
- this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.
- let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.

They tried 14 monthes to find a new way to deliver more content. Look around, ask ingame, the LS is what people call a fail.

If they had more population, because of players returning after buying the expansion, it would not even matter if the playerbase was spread out more, because there would simply be more players in general.
And the LS can still run in all those vanilla areas, then we call it a win/win.

People just do not want to pay for an expansion, but the truth is, this game needs more money, and they won’t make it with the players left who do not actually spend money on the gem store.

The only other choice is to put P2W items on the store, so that people are finally forced to put some money in the game, and who wants that compared to some real, permanent content?

your assumption that I’m talking about the LS as the new way to deliver expansion style content is wrong on all counts

your use of the word vanilla (self censure here)

Yes, I do agree with you that the LS was not what I was hoping for, for one single reason: replayability new players cannot go back and play past LS content, if I wasn’t playing since release I would’ve never picked up the game for this reason alone.

Does this mean traditional (emphasis on traditional here) expansions is the way to go ? NO

Latinkuro.9420:

your assumption that I’m talking about the LS as the new way to deliver expansion style content is wrong on all counts

your use of the word vanilla (self censure here)

Yes, I do agree with you that the LS was not what I was hoping for, for one single reason: replayability new players cannot go back and play past LS content, if I wasn’t playing since release I would’ve never picked up the game for this reason alone.

Does this mean traditional (emphasis on traditional here) expansions is the way to go ? NO

Why wouldn’t you though? What exactly have people missed out on that everyone else would still be doing now? Molten Facility is the only thing I can think of, everything else (in my opinion) was fine as temporary content.

What people don’t know they can’t miss. I can’t even remember half of it!

yeah, sure I also remember only the really good bits like molten facility and saphyr sanctum.

but….

put yourself in the shoes of someone that does not own the game knows nothing about it yet except for some things they read about and find out there’s tons of updates they have missed and will not be able to play them.

if it was me, I would’ve never picked up the game on that alone.

in retrospect knowing what I know about the season 1 LS now, I wouldn’t care, I would still get the game.

I’m always in those shoes. I very rarely get into a game when its released. With this one I missed the first Halloween and Wintersday, plus all the loveliness of the first Ascended pieces being introduced. There’s plenty of stuff coming for the future. If the game is good enough then I’ll play whatever is dished up.

I want a new expansion because i’m bored – plain and simple.
Lateral progression isn’t ‘progression’ at all…it’s gameplay limbo.
LS? – puh-leez! – it’s like buying a book and reading the same, boring chapter over and over.
Listen to the masses Anet – give us what we want.

ANet is basing its decisions upon in-game metrics. Their metrics show that 90% of players simply ran past 90% of the content they put into the game. Currently in open world PvE, 99% of players are doing LS, champ trains and world boss events; only 1% are doing all the rest of the events scattered throughout the open world. The Dynamic Events subforum has been closed and dumped into the archives. They aren’t even trying to fix the old DE’s any longer – it seems like even more of them are broken now than were broken at launch!

Instead of making an expansion, they are going to introduce new areas through the LS which they know people will play instead of just running past everything. These new areas will only have events that tie into the LS instead of wasting a lot of time making a bunch of random DE’s that most people ignore. These events and areas will remain in game for people to continue to do when the LS moves on, just like Southsun, but ANet knows they already got their money’s worth out of them.

They cannot afford to invest in making an expansion with a huge amount of zones that people will just treat as short-term leveling areas like people do now with the open world.

mooty.4560:

I could be wrong but I tend to believe that most of the player base in GW2 is only hanging around because the MMO industry is stagnant. Players are clinging to GW2 because they enjoy MMOs and “what else is there?” ..decade old WoW? swiftly declining LotRO? dead and nearly decade old GW1? Eve?(takes a unique person) etc. There’s nothing much out there right at the moment. This could all change soon with releases like Wildstar, ESO and Destiny. So with that in mind I think Arenanet really needs to get a move on with expanded content and I can only hope it makes the game more interesting as a whole.

/thread

You nailed it. The mmo market doesn’t have a lot of good new stuff at the moment so veterans of the genre will pretty much have a choice between playing decade old games or outright not playing any mmo. GW2 can fill that gap a little but any decent player will soon be fed up by the lack of instanced content (open world zerg is NO replacement for real pve content), the inane state of PVP etc. And you can only run so much fractal and arah before thinking “what the hell am I doing there?”. Content like scarlet does not replace dungeons and raid. Not even a little. And the grind in this game is horrendous without any real reward for it apart from unlocking higher levels of fractal which are just more of the same (well, except that we didn’t actually unlock the higher levels yet, thanks obama). I actually can enjoy a grindy game when you can feel a sense of progressing into new content (like higher torment level in D3 or new raids in WoW) but gw2 is not it. It has the grind, without the content, without the purpose and introduced in such a way that everything is really tied to Gold/currency and you don’t get good drops. In grindy games you’ll get upgrades to your gear pretty often from drops, the likelihood of getting an actual gear upgrade in gw2 is close to zero because most of the stats combo are useless so even if you manage to get incredibly lucky and drop an ascended box chances are it’s worthless. You lose the sense of purpose you have for completing content by randomly getting good stuff that keeps you playing in that skinner box. You never get good drops in this game, instead you grind the gold and buy mat.

Thankfully the gap is filled with solo with coop games for me. The last big update to diablo 3 fixed every single gripe I had about the game, the extension is coming soon too and Dark Souls 2 just got released. Really strong month for that stuff.

bcause ppl want core-game expansion i think…

i dunno, i love this game and hate it at the same time. firstly, i just can’t play any other mmo game, cauze everything is clunky or not detailed enough as it is in gw2. ye, and you can yell whatever you want, but gw2 has very solid game mechanics.

problems start with anykind of progresion. there’s never a big goal, something to reach, something to do apart from forging your own adventure (good for starters, zero for longtime dwellers).

and i really like and enjoy the idea of living world as often updates/events. but the core it self is suffering. so that’s why people are wanting some features, that could be called an expansion

for me, at least, it would be great to see some sort of more structural, more defined things in game for those who want it, like do a big-grat-huge quest line and don’t be bothered with rng stuff, just imho.

Nage.1520:

What gets me is this line of reasoning.

People are saying that they want an expansion because the living story is buggy and not presented well and it’s not deep content. I don’t necessarily agree with those statements (except the buggy part), but I wonder…

what makes those people who want an expansion believe that expansion content is necessarily going to be better?

Let me start by saying my main reason is different. I simply want Anet to make money with expansions in stead of a cash-shop because those models do effect the game-content. I don’t like to have skins, mini’s in a cash-shop or behind a grind. I don’t like to feel like people are trying to get me to buy items I want to play for. I just want to play the game. So thats why I want expansions and with that a change in payment-model to a true B2P model in stead of a cash-shop model like the many F2P games out there have.

But why would people expect better content. Because they want people to buy the expansion. See how much effort now go’s into getting people to buy gems. Making everything a gold-grind making gold worth everything and so people have more reasons to buy gems to convert into gold.

Putting in better and better cash-shop items, with better I mean better looking, now that is ofcourse personal opinion but they sure try by giving more effects to many of the new skins. At the beginning only legendary weapons had effects. Putting boost on the new harvesting tools, all the temporary available stuff to get people to buy it, new set of mini’s.

All that effort is related to them trying to sell gems. Now lets say they where not trying to sell gems but they where trying to sell an expansion and so all that effort would go into selling an expansion. That would be reason for a very nice expansion.

So do we know for sure an expansions would be good? No but there is reason to believe it would be especially if that would be there main source of income.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Devata.6589:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

No real need to be derisive of other people’s opinions. Some would rather have bi-weekly releases rather than waiting much longer periods of time. Some believe that what might be found in what is normally termed ‘expansion’ can be delivered through the Living Story method of content releases.

No one knows, as of now, how said content may be released, only that it will come, according to the Devs. You can believe that, or no. I would prefer it was released through the Living Story, but that is my, and just my, preference.

I think we will get some of that stuff in GW2 but it’s not completely correct what you say..

You say No one know if it comes.. yeah true, nobody ever knows the future but everybody knows they said it would come (they said that at the beginning of season 1) now we are at the end of season 1 and it has not come. So everybody knows it did not come in season 1.

For me personally it’s not about being afraid it will absolutely not be coming in the LS. For me it’s mainly that if they release it with the LS it means they will keep generating income with the cash-shop and you keep having all the negative effects from that. That why I would like to see them go to expansions and focusing generating income from that in stead of the cash-shop, as a true B2P game does. And that is what I did buy.

Lol. I didn’t say that at all. Perhaps, you read what you want to see. I said ‘No one knows how said content will be released.’ Try to be a tad more accurate, please. Thank you. =)

If you had read the rest of my comment you would see it still is a reaction on your comment. Only that once sentence is indeed not correct.

I did read your comment. Though, to be honest, your comments almost always say the same thing. Living Story/gem-store = bad, expansion = good. Pretty sure most know where you stand.

Thanks for the input. =)

Nikaido.3457:

mooty.4560:

I could be wrong but I tend to believe that most of the player base in GW2 is only hanging around because the MMO industry is stagnant. Players are clinging to GW2 because they enjoy MMOs and “what else is there?” ..decade old WoW? swiftly declining LotRO? dead and nearly decade old GW1? Eve?(takes a unique person) etc. There’s nothing much out there right at the moment. This could all change soon with releases like Wildstar, ESO and Destiny. So with that in mind I think Arenanet really needs to get a move on with expanded content and I can only hope it makes the game more interesting as a whole.

/thread

You nailed it. The mmo market doesn’t have a lot of good new stuff at the moment so veterans of the genre will pretty much have a choice between playing decade old games or outright not playing any mmo. GW2 can fill that gap a little but any decent player will soon be fed up by the lack of instanced content (open world zerg is NO replacement for real pve content), the inane state of PVP etc. And you can only run so much fractal and arah before thinking “what the hell am I doing there?”. Content like scarlet does not replace dungeons and raid. Not even a little. And the grind in this game is horrendous without any real reward for it apart from unlocking higher levels of fractal which are just more of the same (well, except that we didn’t actually unlock the higher levels yet, thanks obama). I actually can enjoy a grindy game when you can feel a sense of progressing into new content (like higher torment level in D3 or new raids in WoW) but gw2 is not it. It has the grind, without the content, without the purpose and introduced in such a way that everything is really tied to Gold/currency and you don’t get good drops. In grindy games you’ll get upgrades to your gear pretty often from drops, the likelihood of getting an actual gear upgrade in gw2 is close to zero because most of the stats combo are useless so even if you manage to get incredibly lucky and drop an ascended box chances are it’s worthless. You lose the sense of purpose you have for completing content by randomly getting good stuff that keeps you playing in that skinner box. You never get good drops in this game, instead you grind the gold and buy mat.

Thankfully the gap is filled with solo with coop games for me. The last big update to diablo 3 fixed every single gripe I had about the game, the extension is coming soon too and Dark Souls 2 just got released. Really strong month for that stuff.

None forced you to grind for nothing, play the game, explore the world, finish the content and leave. It is ridic when people grind and them blame the game for forcing them to. Grinding here doesn’t give anything useful more or less and it is intentional. This is not to meant to be WoW where you must grind becasue you will be trash otherwise in pvp.

There is a difference between a game where grinding is optional and others where grinding is required to complete game content.

GW2 was never meant to be the long-term MMO that you will play for years becasue there have never been any. Aside from Eve, every single MMO in the market keep the players with grinding for new gear, WoW have been doing so for 10 years and will keep doing so until Blizzard will release its next big thing.

There is no game that release actual new content, if you like raiding and gear progression, this is not your game and Anet will never make it so, because otherwise, we may as well play the 99% of the MMOs out there, based on WoW’s formula.

I already enjoyed my time and I would rather have a game that is trying to do something new than play one creating the illusion that it progresses while it actually never does, cause while you get the next gear tier, the game always progresses to introduce a new one and therefore you are chasing a goal that is never to be accomplished because the game will keep putting up content to make u grind for the next tier. If you feel rewarded by that method, than GW2 isn’t your game, it is not about the quality anylonger.

chemiclord.3978:

The way I see it… if they want to keep handing me stuff for free (and hope I support their efforts with cash shop purposes), I’m certainly not going to tell them, “Nah, bro. Charge me money for this kitten, man. I don’t want free stuff.” I’m not stupid.

They want to eventually produce a boxed expansion, I’d be fine with that too. I fully suspect they will at some point, simply because of the sheer amount of stagnant idiots who have decided that anything other than a traditional expansion is unacceptable.

So if people are willing to pay money for quality content in stead of getting ‘kitten’ for free they are idiots?
But yes I want to pay money for getting quality content instead of making the game kitten for ‘free’. For me free that is as I do not buy gems as I don’t support this game going kittens.

Anyway, lets stop being inflammatory, we don’t want to give them another excuse to close the thread.

Latinkuro.9420:

- Some people are set in their ways and do not understand that expansions do not fit this game at all.
- boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.
- this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.
- let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.

Come on, not again the “people can’t handle changes”. The argument people keep coming up in any discussion where they do not like something ‘new’. Whether it is in politic discussions, discussion about Windows 8 or this you will find them always and it’s nonsense.

There are plenty of new things in this game people like and some they don’t like.

It’s also not true it would not fit this game. Yes it might not fit with the sort of F2P road they have turned into but it completely fitted with the B2P road they said they would go to when many of us did buy the game. Also ArenaNet agreed on that before release http://www.videogamer.com/news/guild_wars_2_expansions_a_sure_thing_says_arenanet_2.html

“boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.”
Yeah but not as much as a cash-shop does. And how many people who do play they game will not buy the expansion.. Not many. Now how many people who do play the game will not buy items from the cash-shop? Much more. So if anything does that it’s the cash-shop and no you can’t just turn your gold into gems to get it. Not if you have a life.

“this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.”
Yeah I agree, this game should focus much more on expansions then many other games. This game should generate it’s income with expansions and release more expansions then a game like for example WoW. So it should take a different approach I agree with that.

“let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.”
They did get and take that time.. the time we would else have seen an expansion by now.

MercyKilling.8519:

Mainly because someone just coming into the game has missed all the previous temporary content they’ve been shoveling down your throats, and said new person would feel both disillusioned and left out/behind.
Now, if they’d been putting out actual permanent expansions, nobody gets left out/behind, because that content WOULD STILL BE IN THE GAME.

This is why I only lasted about a month, personally. There was so much that I missed out on, and could never experience. This “Scarlet” crapola? I have no idea who she is, other than some “Living Story” bad guy. I don’t even care about what’s going on in Lion’s Arch because I cannot connect to the history of the story.

It was a good idea with a TERRIBLE and FLAWED delivery.

The old saying , “If it isn’t broke , don’t fix it” would apply here. We don’t need a LS as most would say overall it was very lack-luster a somewhat failed concept. What we do need is more permanent content that enables us to have more to do in this game then a bunch of mini games and zerg fights that poof every 2 weeks.

After giving the LS a chance this time around I can say with confidence that the old ways of expansions and permanent content patches are far better then what was attempted here.

Tasty Pudding.3764:

ANet is basing its decisions upon in-game metrics. Their metrics show that 90% of players simply ran past 90% of the content they put into the game. Currently in open world PvE, 99% of players are doing LS, champ trains and world boss events; only 1% are doing all the rest of the events scattered throughout the open world. The Dynamic Events subforum has been closed and dumped into the archives. They aren’t even trying to fix the old DE’s any longer – it seems like even more of them are broken now than were broken at launch!

Instead of making an expansion, they are going to introduce new areas through the LS which they know people will play instead of just running past everything. These new areas will only have events that tie into the LS instead of wasting a lot of time making a bunch of random DE’s that most people ignore. These events and areas will remain in game for people to continue to do when the LS moves on, just like Southsun, but ANet knows they already got their money’s worth out of them.

They cannot afford to invest in making an expansion with a huge amount of zones that people will just treat as short-term leveling areas like people do now with the open world.

Maybe they should look why people are not doing that. DE are nice to add something to the world but it’s not like a quest-chain that sends you all over the world. There are also no unique rewards linked to them. Lets say you want to build a special weapon with your craft but you can only get the weapon skin by doing a quest-line (or DE). That would keep people doing that sort of stuff.

So if that would be the problem they are not trying to fix there mistakes but work around them. That is not the way to go.

I’m done with this thread.

The point that this thread even exists and people are debating how to make it less of a complete waste of time for most should pretty much explain the need for a different direction from Anet.

Once again Anet is trying to hard to be different instead of just making content fun.

You don’t need to reinvent the wheel to make a game enjoyable.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I did read your comment. Though, to be honest, your comments almost always say the same thing. Living Story/gem-store = bad, expansion = good. Pretty sure most know where you stand.

Thanks for the input. =)

Cash-shop focus tends to be bad and in this case also is bad.
Expansion focus can be good. If it will be good we can only see if they would go that way.

The rest are just arguments why.

Just to clarify. I agree I keep repeating but thats also because other people keep saying the same.

I know I would have liked an expansion because after a year of LS I can honestly conclude it was an utter failure and not worth my time. I stuck it out through the first season, but this last release was the nail in the coffin for me.

Well to be completely honest I probably would have stuck around longer, but I got into a Wildstar beta weekend event and now I know I will be leaving here for there. They did everything right that Anet did wrong.

nGumball.1283:

Nikaido.3457:

mooty.4560:

I could be wrong but I tend to believe that most of the player base in GW2 is only hanging around because the MMO industry is stagnant. Players are clinging to GW2 because they enjoy MMOs and “what else is there?” ..decade old WoW? swiftly declining LotRO? dead and nearly decade old GW1? Eve?(takes a unique person) etc. There’s nothing much out there right at the moment. This could all change soon with releases like Wildstar, ESO and Destiny. So with that in mind I think Arenanet really needs to get a move on with expanded content and I can only hope it makes the game more interesting as a whole.

/thread

You nailed it. The mmo market doesn’t have a lot of good new stuff at the moment so veterans of the genre will pretty much have a choice between playing decade old games or outright not playing any mmo. GW2 can fill that gap a little but any decent player will soon be fed up by the lack of instanced content (open world zerg is NO replacement for real pve content), the inane state of PVP etc. And you can only run so much fractal and arah before thinking “what the hell am I doing there?”. Content like scarlet does not replace dungeons and raid. Not even a little. And the grind in this game is horrendous without any real reward for it apart from unlocking higher levels of fractal which are just more of the same (well, except that we didn’t actually unlock the higher levels yet, thanks obama). I actually can enjoy a grindy game when you can feel a sense of progressing into new content (like higher torment level in D3 or new raids in WoW) but gw2 is not it. It has the grind, without the content, without the purpose and introduced in such a way that everything is really tied to Gold/currency and you don’t get good drops. In grindy games you’ll get upgrades to your gear pretty often from drops, the likelihood of getting an actual gear upgrade in gw2 is close to zero because most of the stats combo are useless so even if you manage to get incredibly lucky and drop an ascended box chances are it’s worthless. You lose the sense of purpose you have for completing content by randomly getting good stuff that keeps you playing in that skinner box. You never get good drops in this game, instead you grind the gold and buy mat.

Thankfully the gap is filled with solo with coop games for me. The last big update to diablo 3 fixed every single gripe I had about the game, the extension is coming soon too and Dark Souls 2 just got released. Really strong month for that stuff.

None forced you to grind for nothing, play the game, explore the world, finish the content and leave. It is ridic when people grind and them blame the game for forcing them to. Grinding here doesn’t give anything useful more or less and it is intentional. This is not to meant to be WoW where you must grind becasue you will be trash otherwise in pvp.

There is a difference between a game where grinding is optional and others where grinding is required to complete game content.

GW2 was never meant to be the long-term MMO that you will play for years becasue there have never been any. Aside from Eve, every single MMO in the market keep the players with grinding for new gear, WoW have been doing so for 10 years and will keep doing so until Blizzard will release its next big thing.

There is no game that release actual new content, if you like raiding and gear progression, this is not your game and Anet will never make it so, because otherwise, we may as well play the 99% of the MMOs out there, based on WoW’s formula.

I already enjoyed my time and I would rather have a game that is trying to do something new than play one creating the illusion that it progresses while it actually never does, cause while you get the next gear tier, the game always progresses to introduce a new one and therefore you are chasing a goal that is never to be accomplished because the game will keep putting up content to make u grind for the next tier. If you feel rewarded by that method, than GW2 isn’t your game, it is not about the quality anylonger.

They don’t force you to grind but getting new skins, new weapons and so on is behind a currency-grind in stead behind really playing the game.

Nobody (or not many people) here is asking to add a WoW-like gear-grind.

Nobody (or not many people) here is asking to add a WoW-like gear-grind.

Just to clarify – Wow is far less of a grind then GW2 so I am unsure why people keep posting this.

In GW2 while optional I will agree all we have is farming for skins, farming for gold , farming for mats, or farming for achievement points. That’s our current game.

I could make a level 1 character get him to max level and have a fully current geared character prior to me accomplishing any of the above in GW2.

It literally would take FAR longer to farm gold for a precursor then it would to fully gear a character in wow.

All I am saying is people need to find a new reference point for gear grind. Because Wow is far more friendly then GW2 in that respect.

Azreell.1568:

Nobody (or not many people) here is asking to add a WoW-like gear-grind.

Just to clarify – Wow is far less of a grind then GW2 so I am unsure why people keep posting this.

In GW2 while optional I will agree all we have is farming for skins, farming for gold , farming for mats, or farming for achievement points. That’s our current game.

I could make a level 1 character get him to max level and have a fully current geared character prior to me accomplishing any of the above in GW2.

It literally would take FAR longer to farm gold for a precursor then it would to fully gear a character in wow.

All I am saying is people need to find a new reference point for gear grind. Because Wow is far more friendly then GW2 in that respect.

Just to clarify: I agree GW2 is more grindy then WoW.

It was just a reaction to nGumball who pretty much suggested that people where asking for that type of grind.. What is not true.

Devata.6589:

Azreell.1568:

Nobody (or not many people) here is asking to add a WoW-like gear-grind.

Just to clarify – Wow is far less of a grind then GW2 so I am unsure why people keep posting this.

In GW2 while optional I will agree all we have is farming for skins, farming for gold , farming for mats, or farming for achievement points. That’s our current game.

I could make a level 1 character get him to max level and have a fully current geared character prior to me accomplishing any of the above in GW2.

It literally would take FAR longer to farm gold for a precursor then it would to fully gear a character in wow.

All I am saying is people need to find a new reference point for gear grind. Because Wow is far more friendly then GW2 in that respect.

Just to clarify: I agree GW2 is more grindy then WoW.

It was just a reaction to nGumball who pretty much suggested that people where asking for that type of grind.. What is not true.

Understood

Devata.6589:

Latinkuro.9420:

- Some people are set in their ways and do not understand that expansions do not fit this game at all.
- boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.
- this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.
- let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.

Come on, not again the “people can’t handle changes”. The argument people keep coming up in any discussion where they do not like something ‘new’. Whether it is in politic discussions, discussion about Windows 8 or this you will find them always and it’s nonsense.

There are plenty of new things in this game people like and some they don’t like.

It’s also not true it would not fit this game. Yes it might not fit with the sort of F2P road they have turned into but it completely fitted with the B2P road they said they would go to when many of us did buy the game. Also ArenaNet agreed on that before release http://www.videogamer.com/news/guild_wars_2_expansions_a_sure_thing_says_arenanet_2.html

“boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.”
Yeah but not as much as a cash-shop does. And how many people who do play they game will not buy the expansion.. Not many. Now how many people who do play the game will not buy items from the cash-shop? Much more. So if anything does that it’s the cash-shop and no you can’t just turn your gold into gems to get it. Not if you have a life.

“this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.”
Yeah I agree, this game should focus much more on expansions then many other games. This game should generate it’s income with expansions and release more expansions then a game like for example WoW. So it should take a different approach I agree with that.

“let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.”
They did get and take that time.. the time we would else have seen an expansion by now.

I’m not sure if you read past the first few lines of this article, but it does say this:

‘Despite Flannum’s assurances, NCsoft and ArenaNet say they have yet to confirm plans for retail expansions.’

So, ArenaNet didn’t really agree there would be expansions before release.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Devata.6589:

Latinkuro.9420:

- Some people are set in their ways and do not understand that expansions do not fit this game at all.
- boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.
- this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.
- let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.

Come on, not again the “people can’t handle changes”. The argument people keep coming up in any discussion where they do not like something ‘new’. Whether it is in politic discussions, discussion about Windows 8 or this you will find them always and it’s nonsense.

There are plenty of new things in this game people like and some they don’t like.

It’s also not true it would not fit this game. Yes it might not fit with the sort of F2P road they have turned into but it completely fitted with the B2P road they said they would go to when many of us did buy the game. Also ArenaNet agreed on that before release http://www.videogamer.com/news/guild_wars_2_expansions_a_sure_thing_says_arenanet_2.html

“boxed expansions only serve to segregate the population into haves and have not.”
Yeah but not as much as a cash-shop does. And how many people who do play they game will not buy the expansion.. Not many. Now how many people who do play the game will not buy items from the cash-shop? Much more. So if anything does that it’s the cash-shop and no you can’t just turn your gold into gems to get it. Not if you have a life.

“this is a different kind of game which needs a different kind of going about expansions.”
Yeah I agree, this game should focus much more on expansions then many other games. This game should generate it’s income with expansions and release more expansions then a game like for example WoW. So it should take a different approach I agree with that.

“let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.”
They did get and take that time.. the time we would else have seen an expansion by now.

I’m not sure if you read past the first few lines of this article, but it does say this:

‘Despite Flannum’s assurances, NCsoft and ArenaNet say they have yet to confirm plans for retail expansions.’

So, ArenaNet didn’t really agree there would be expansions before release.

The article is from 2011 and Eric Flannum sai “So we’ll have retail expansions for sure”.

Of course they do not have any ‘confirmed plants’ for expansions a year before the game is released but they do say they will have expansions.

I would have been surprised if they would have everything on paper and confirmed about the expansion at that stage. That is something you would start doing around the release of the game.

What this means (or better, what they say) is they are going to make expansions but don’t have the details about it and don’t have the contracts signed about the first expansions yet.

So this shows that at least at that moment ArenaNet did see expansions as the way to go.

Latinkuro pretty much stated it as a fact that expansions would not work for GW2 without saying wy, he just did as if that was a fact. While in all honestly I think that is pure nonsense (that explains why he does not say why expansions factually won’t work for GW2) all I point out here that even the creator of this game don’t seem to agree with that ‘fact’. (And even now they still say they did not rule out expansions).

Oow and yes I did read the full article.

“So, ArenaNet didn’t really agree there would be expansions before release.”
That was not what the comment was about, it was just to show they don’t see it as a fact that it does not work.

Latinkuro does not say why his ‘factual’ statement is true so I can’t say anything about that.. Best I then can do is showing that even the creator seems to think differently about that.

However to go into your statement (that was not the point here) then I still have to disagree. They did seem to agree there would be expansions if I may see Eric Flannum as an official spokesperson for ArenaNet. Because Eric is the Lead Game Designer I think you may qualify him for that.

All it says they had no exact details or things on paper yet.

funkylovemonkey.3097:

I think the major disappointment here is that, despite Anet being a much larger company then during the GW1 days, comparably little new content has been released so far. The Living Story is fine… flawed but occasionally entertaining. Unfortunately those flaws are made worse by the fact that they are the ONLY source of new content for the foreseeable future.

GW2 has been out for about 19 months now. At 18 months GW1 had released both Factions and Nightfall. During that time there were non-expansion updates of GW1 that included balance, polish, holiday updates and the addition of Sorrow’s Furnace. So GW2 and GW1 are at a place where we can compare the two (not including holidays, which were included in GW1 separate from expansions)

- —-———————Nightfall —- Factions —-Living Story
New Zones-—————34———-33———————1
New Guild Halls———4————4———————-0
New Professions———2————2———————-0
New Armor sets
(through
normal gameplay)——-54———80———————-0
New Weapons
(through
normal gameplay)——115+—-110+——————-34
New Skills—————-460——330———————-9

(As a note, I couldn’t find an exact number for armor and weapons, so I did a quick count on wiki, so those numbers aren’t exact, but the point remains).

As far as quests and missions are concerned, I couldn’t find an exact number for the living story, since they’re a combination of dungeons, achievements and events. But Nightfall added 20 missions and 250 quests and Factions added 13 missions and 200 quests. And, perhaps more important then the number, they were permanent. Both also added permanent elite areas which have no real comparison in GW2 except perhaps fractals or dungeons, but I’m not sure how comparable they are.

All this, despite the fact that Anet was a significantly smaller company back then. If the Living Story were actually comparable to what Anet had previously defined as expansions, I think a lot more people would be happy. Instead it feels like we get these meager releases focused around the Gem store. I’m sure it’s lucrative for them, but it’s a far worse game experience for me.

Hope the blind kinds behind “LS rocks, give it time” finally see through the cloud of their misconceived world. This game is almost 2 years old. Face it: it does not stand to the epicness of the Guild Wars 1 ( still one of the best selling PC games ever ).
Unfortunately, I’m afraid it’s a little bit too late for ANet to do anything about it. I’m not entirely sure the x-pac would save this game now that so many people have left it. New playerbase? Don’t think so – look at the games soon-to-be-out in 2014.
A lost chance. It was supposed to be one of the best MMOs ever. I’m afraid it failed, above all, due to the idea of the poorly executed LS.

Quote from Arrow: “You have failed this city!”

Latinkuro.9420:

- let them take their time and find that new awesome way to deliver more content to us.

We did. A year has passed. We’re still waiting – but we’re not going to be waiting forever.