Why the Guild Wars 2 Internet Hate?
The irony here is…I DID go back to World of warcraft. Maybe their arrogance was warranted?
Most who go back to WoW do so for nostalgia. It doesn’t take long for that to wear off and you’re left with….well WoW… it’s a brief stay until you find a single player game to play or yet another new MMO to try.
WoW has done a lot of things right and literally changed MMOs for the better, but it’s simply been around too long and they can’t engage players in the same way they used to be able to. The gear treadmill formula has run its course.
In my opinion, it’s also why WoW clones typically fail. You start playing a new MMO, it’s like WoW and you think “man this is great! similar quest system, even the UI looks the same! It’s like WoW 2.0!” Then you realize “hey…this is like WoW….2.0….I’m kinda bored with WoW now that I think about it…”. Then flop.
I commend GW2 for going with a completely different approach, whether people like it or not, it’s a different option for an MMO; no trinity, no gear treadmill (that we’ve seen thus far), etc. Obviously I would love more content and have a reserved hope that LS2 will bring new maps to explore, and their teaser practically screams it, but overall, GW2 has actually been able to try something different and be successful at it. For now anyway.
lol… I Love the rationalizations o f people when they hear " went back to wow." it alway seems to be a negative. " Nostalgia" is One I hear. Another is." Rose colored glasses."
It cannot possibly be " More consistently good than gw2 is now,… while Gw2 started strong… the developers did not remain faithful to their original vision.. or could not… then decided to turn the game into a cash grab. So maybe the players going back to wow, are returning, because …if they are gonna pay to play anyway, may as well get consistently good product, instead of a game that seems to be heading in 5 different directions at once, while s eeking to please everyonr, and therefore ends up pleasing no one." …
nah can’t be that… that would place the blame on the failings of the developers here…. and it keeps players thinking " Gw2 is fine..the players leaving ar ethe ones with problems."
but… Degustibus et coloris non est disputandum.
PS this is exactly what people said to me, at Tera Forums, when I Posted that the cash grab focus on the game was gonna chase people away in droves In spite of it’s potential for greatness, Tera ended up being a cash grab. They also said " Oh she’s leaving for Gw2…she won’t be there for long… she’ll be back." Umm..I stayed away for 2 years…. never went back." or… Like here…" she’ll try it for a couple Months, then Move to something else .." as if I was flighty by nature, unable to play a game for long…
Umm..I was here for 2 years since launch…watching the game slide ever downward.
I can understand the need to say the problem is with me… it’s easier than to accept that maybe the gw2 developers made a Bunch of mistakes..or ..maybe Just have different priorities than the rest of us? We want then to produce a consistently better game, they want us swiping our credit cards to buy their armor skins.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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OP, you pretty much summed it up. I can’t even add anything of my own to this thread other than, I agree with you 100%.
I am also an aging gamer, only 3 years under you and I have played quite a few mmo’s. After jumping into GW2, I no longer have any of those mmo’s installed on my pc. GW2 is the only mmo I have been playing since I got the game.
In my opinion, right now, no other mmo can hold a candle to GW2 when you add up everything that is offered for what you actually pay for.
Appreciate this thread.
Having played since headstart and having just passed the 4000hour mark I feel the comments below should count for something.
I have had a lot of fun in this game participating in the living story, joining many guilds and meeting many new people in the process. The issue is that sentence is in past tense. Guilds broke up as players left in droves. ANET seem insistent on dumbing down their own game by creating a mindless zergfest. This in turn means that for the past 12+ months ive felt nothing for the game that I am playing.
In my opinion there is very little immersion in GW2. We get told whats appearing in the next part of the living story before we’ve even experienced it, we’re expected to zerg around maps auto-attacking mobs and participate in instances that havent changed (except one path in TA) since launch. Every item that could have been classed as a trophy has been destroyed by ANET (past skins available in latest patch, renaming of Mad Kings Slippers etc etc)….ANETs ‘give everyone all of the things’ rule has created a culture whereby players(myself) arent emotionally invested in the game anymore. For a game relying on the story going forward that should be ringing alarm bells.
The game couldve been so much more. Instead its catering to the casual because they bring in the most money and because of that it never realised its potential. On the surface its a pretty, varied world. Once you get deep down you see how shallow it is. The only reason im still logging on is the fact it doesnt cost to do so.
Thereon Avenrise – former [Noes] Officer – Piken Square (EU)
Retired and living in a shack. Relaxing!
Retired and living in a shack. Relaxing!
The thing with GW2 is that it is different.
Players that didn’t like the differences from their previous MMOs, usually hated GW2 and then they go to the Internet vent their hate towards the game, while the vast majority of the players that like GW2 just play and doesn’t show their affection on the Internet, at least that is how I see the current scenarios.
That is why you see bad comments only in forums and some community opinions, but bigger sites you hardly see any bad article about GW2.
Looks like the exact opposite from my point of view.
GW2 looked like it was going to be very different. Players that didn’t like their previous MMOs had a lot of hope for GW2, but shortly after launch ArenaNet decided to please the small group of people who wanted another status quo MMO, and abandoned many of their core design principles in favor of trying to keep as broad an audience as possible.
The reason the hate is strong is that many people who don’t like the game in its current state really loved what it was at launch, with all that it promised to become. Instead of just moving on to another game, they keep holding out a think hope that ArenaNet will return to their original vision. That hope, stretched out over an increasingly long time, and fed with small crumbs of occasional positive game changes, leads to a smoldering bitterness.
This is only magnified by ArenaNet moving from clear, bold communication about their hopes for the game to a policy of secrecy, and vague statements with room for a lot of interpretation. Any community dealing with the uncertainty caused by that kind of communication from its leadership is going to grow resentful.
Perfect. Might I also add to this discussion that it’s not whining to expect a company to fulfill it’s goals on a product, it’s called an expectation of professionalism. All of these people who trying to marginalize what people are rightly complaining about aren’t helping they are most likely the niche group you are talking about who asked for the very things we expected this game not to be, and having received what they wanted are attacking those of us who purchased the title because it was indeed supposed to be completely different than what we had seen before. Sadly it didn’t turn out that way. Now many of us are hesitant to buy anything else from the publisher because we’re afraid it will happen again, so we sit by the sidelines watching the launch of another product to see if they do some of the same things.
You can not be serious! There are threads on this first page that are so full of whiney lose that I’m surprised we can’t physically hear them. A complaint is one thing but going on and on and on and on and on…. You get the idea. If these people were doing it in a room we were in they’d be left alone after just a few minutes.
Fire up the Hyperbowl ma, we’re going to town!
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
It is the nature of MMORPGS to cause players to continue to play long, long after they’ve stopped having fun just playing the game. If everything stays the same or too much changes, it matters not. People can get misguided and fixated on “progressing” their character that by the time they move on they really hate the game. I played WoW for about 2 years too long out of 6. When I quit I thought blizzard had ruined the game and it was garbage etc etc, though the vast majority was simply a case of me no longer having fun playing the basic premise.
This is of course, the way mmorpgs make a lot of their money. Just ignore what other people say about a game, on a subjective level, and make your own decision. If you’re having fun playing, do so. Stop as soon as you only care about “completing” things.
GW2 is nice with no sub in that you can come back a few months down the road if you get the desire.
It is the nature of MMORPGS to cause players to continue to play long, long after they’ve stopped having fun just playing the game. If everything stays the same or too much changes, it matters not. People can get misguided and fixated on “progressing” their character that by the time they move on they really hate the game. I played WoW for about 2 years too long out of 6. When I quit I thought blizzard had ruined the game and it was garbage etc etc, though the vast majority was simply a case of me no longer having fun playing the basic premise.
This is of course, the way mmorpgs make a lot of their money. Just ignore what other people say about a game, on a subjective level, and make your own decision. If you’re having fun playing, do so. Stop as soon as you only care about “completing” things.
GW2 is nice with no sub in that you can come back a few months down the road if you get the desire.
I played WoW for a summer and I got bored, I didn’t complain and left because I had no bigger expectations.
I still play the original Guild Wars today (began since around ‘08 I think?), yes I get bored sometimes but I don’t feel any hatred towards the game. I log on GW2 the more I play it the more you wonder how they can put a “2” tag after it, then log back out.
What I’m trying to say is, most of the people like me don’t like to “generalize” the GW series to be just any other RPG, the original one was full of creativity is still unique. But as time goes on it really shows how ArenaNet (or maybe should call them NCSoft) just cares about people spending as much as they can in gem store without giving any regards to the direction that the game is heading.
reason i stopped playing is the lack of trinity and there is nothing wrong with quests in mmos although the heart system might be better.
generally i think they broke some traditional stuff that did not need fixing .
i like being able to jump on my dps/farmer on my healer and on my tank whenever i feel like to really experience a game differently, trinity gives so much more blend and possibilities in a game in my opinion.
still gw2 is a great game in terms of optimization and functionality (servers almost never go down and no maintenance which is awesome)
but i realized its not a fulfilling game for me.
action combat made mmos better lol
The thing with GW2 is that it is different.
Players that didn’t like the differences from their previous MMOs, usually hated GW2 and then they go to the Internet vent their hate towards the game, while the vast majority of the players that like GW2 just play and doesn’t show their affection on the Internet, at least that is how I see the current scenarios.
That is why you see bad comments only in forums and some community opinions, but bigger sites you hardly see any bad article about GW2.
Looks like the exact opposite from my point of view.
GW2 looked like it was going to be very different. Players that didn’t like their previous MMOs had a lot of hope for GW2, but shortly after launch ArenaNet decided to please the small group of people who wanted another status quo MMO, and abandoned many of their core design principles in favor of trying to keep as broad an audience as possible.
The reason the hate is strong is that many people who don’t like the game in its current state really loved what it was at launch, with all that it promised to become. Instead of just moving on to another game, they keep holding out a think hope that ArenaNet will return to their original vision. That hope, stretched out over an increasingly long time, and fed with small crumbs of occasional positive game changes, leads to a smoldering bitterness.
This is only magnified by ArenaNet moving from clear, bold communication about their hopes for the game to a policy of secrecy, and vague statements with room for a lot of interpretation. Any community dealing with the uncertainty caused by that kind of communication from its leadership is going to grow resentful.
Perfect. Might I also add to this discussion that it’s not whining to expect a company to fulfill it’s goals on a product, it’s called an expectation of professionalism. All of these people who trying to marginalize what people are rightly complaining about aren’t helping they are most likely the niche group you are talking about who asked for the very things we expected this game not to be, and having received what they wanted are attacking those of us who purchased the title because it was indeed supposed to be completely different than what we had seen before. Sadly it didn’t turn out that way. Now many of us are hesitant to buy anything else from the publisher because we’re afraid it will happen again, so we sit by the sidelines watching the launch of another product to see if they do some of the same things.
You can not be serious! There are threads on this first page that are so full of whiney lose that I’m surprised we can’t physically hear them. A complaint is one thing but going on and on and on and on and on…. You get the idea. If these people were doing it in a room we were in they’d be left alone after just a few minutes.
All of that to Just say:
“if I can find a way of trivializing legitimate complaints, then that means the problem is them..Not the game.”
This is the discussion version of " Oh ya..well…your hair is a mess, that makes you wrong!! ha!"
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
The thing with GW2 is that it is different.
Players that didn’t like the differences from their previous MMOs, usually hated GW2 and then they go to the Internet vent their hate towards the game, while the vast majority of the players that like GW2 just play and doesn’t show their affection on the Internet, at least that is how I see the current scenarios.
That is why you see bad comments only in forums and some community opinions, but bigger sites you hardly see any bad article about GW2.
Looks like the exact opposite from my point of view.
GW2 looked like it was going to be very different. Players that didn’t like their previous MMOs had a lot of hope for GW2, but shortly after launch ArenaNet decided to please the small group of people who wanted another status quo MMO, and abandoned many of their core design principles in favor of trying to keep as broad an audience as possible.
The reason the hate is strong is that many people who don’t like the game in its current state really loved what it was at launch, with all that it promised to become. Instead of just moving on to another game, they keep holding out a think hope that ArenaNet will return to their original vision. That hope, stretched out over an increasingly long time, and fed with small crumbs of occasional positive game changes, leads to a smoldering bitterness.
This is only magnified by ArenaNet moving from clear, bold communication about their hopes for the game to a policy of secrecy, and vague statements with room for a lot of interpretation. Any community dealing with the uncertainty caused by that kind of communication from its leadership is going to grow resentful.
Perfect. Might I also add to this discussion that it’s not whining to expect a company to fulfill it’s goals on a product, it’s called an expectation of professionalism. All of these people who trying to marginalize what people are rightly complaining about aren’t helping they are most likely the niche group you are talking about who asked for the very things we expected this game not to be, and having received what they wanted are attacking those of us who purchased the title because it was indeed supposed to be completely different than what we had seen before. Sadly it didn’t turn out that way. Now many of us are hesitant to buy anything else from the publisher because we’re afraid it will happen again, so we sit by the sidelines watching the launch of another product to see if they do some of the same things.
You can not be serious! There are threads on this first page that are so full of whiney lose that I’m surprised we can’t physically hear them. A complaint is one thing but going on and on and on and on and on…. You get the idea. If these people were doing it in a room we were in they’d be left alone after just a few minutes.
All of that to Just say:
“if I can find a way of trivializing legitimate complaints, then that means the problem is them..Not the game.”
This is the discussion version of " Oh ya..well…your hair is a mess, that makes you wrong!! ha!"
No, not really.
Fire up the Hyperbowl ma, we’re going to town!
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
The thing with GW2 is that it is different.
Players that didn’t like the differences from their previous MMOs, usually hated GW2 and then they go to the Internet vent their hate towards the game, while the vast majority of the players that like GW2 just play and doesn’t show their affection on the Internet, at least that is how I see the current scenarios.
That is why you see bad comments only in forums and some community opinions, but bigger sites you hardly see any bad article about GW2.
Looks like the exact opposite from my point of view.
GW2 looked like it was going to be very different. Players that didn’t like their previous MMOs had a lot of hope for GW2, but shortly after launch ArenaNet decided to please the small group of people who wanted another status quo MMO, and abandoned many of their core design principles in favor of trying to keep as broad an audience as possible.
The reason the hate is strong is that many people who don’t like the game in its current state really loved what it was at launch, with all that it promised to become. Instead of just moving on to another game, they keep holding out a think hope that ArenaNet will return to their original vision. That hope, stretched out over an increasingly long time, and fed with small crumbs of occasional positive game changes, leads to a smoldering bitterness.
This is only magnified by ArenaNet moving from clear, bold communication about their hopes for the game to a policy of secrecy, and vague statements with room for a lot of interpretation. Any community dealing with the uncertainty caused by that kind of communication from its leadership is going to grow resentful.
Perfect. Might I also add to this discussion that it’s not whining to expect a company to fulfill it’s goals on a product, it’s called an expectation of professionalism. All of these people who trying to marginalize what people are rightly complaining about aren’t helping they are most likely the niche group you are talking about who asked for the very things we expected this game not to be, and having received what they wanted are attacking those of us who purchased the title because it was indeed supposed to be completely different than what we had seen before. Sadly it didn’t turn out that way. Now many of us are hesitant to buy anything else from the publisher because we’re afraid it will happen again, so we sit by the sidelines watching the launch of another product to see if they do some of the same things.
You can not be serious! There are threads on this first page that are so full of whiney lose that I’m surprised we can’t physically hear them. A complaint is one thing but going on and on and on and on and on…. You get the idea. If these people were doing it in a room we were in they’d be left alone after just a few minutes.
All of that to Just say:
“if I can find a way of trivializing legitimate complaints, then that means the problem is them..Not the game.”
This is the discussion version of " Oh ya..well…your hair is a mess, that makes you wrong!! ha!"
No, not really.
yes… really lol..
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.