Guild Wars 2

Pirlipat.2479:

It is not that big guilds cooperate more it is that more people even if playing solo pile up more influence. That system is prefering pure number and not the level of cooperation. Small guild can cooperate way better and still have not enough influence. The system doesn’t reward “doing” but “beeing in”.

At least someone else gets it.

Can you do fractals at level 2? Check.
Can you do WvsW at level 2? Check
Can you do sPvP at level 2? Check
Can you level through crafting? Check
Can you gear a new level 80 character with full exotics as soon as it hits 80? Check

So, let me get this straight, you are asking for one of the fundamental things that makes this a RPG to be done with. As soon as you create your character you are 80 with no way to improve your character.
I guess they done away with the trinity, why not take it a step further and take away the RPG from the MMO.

Does anyone here have a complaint about alts that isn’t secretly just a complaint about Ascended items?

I don’t think Guild Wars 2 encourages you to play alts at all. I think they want you to be dedicated to one character. The new WvW ranks won’t be by account, commander isn’t by account, you can’t share your legendary with other characters on your account, you don’t get the world completion star on all of your characters, using your laurels for one character to get ascended gear is a smart thing. I don’t see this as a bad thing either. I love making alts though, I have 7 level 80s.

Lafiel.9372:

Thing is, ascended gear isn’t exactly necessary for alts though. If you geared it with full exotics, you are only a few % weaker than someone with full ascended accessories. I don’t play fotm a lot, I have grown bored of it but I don’t find it to be too tasking to get the rings at least.

As I have said before, that is why alts are called alts and mains are called main. You can’t expect all alts to be geared at the same level as your main even though full exotics are pretty much 99 % of the way there.
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Since gw has always been about skin>stat…. I don’t find that valid. By that same logic one might as well say that exotics aren’t necessary….rares….masterwork….fine.

If you were to say the high value skins of weapons/armor (things like infinite light/cultural t3)…then I would agree

Fyrebrand.4859:

pullnointer: “how does the game encourage us to alt?”

Does it need to? I thought people played alts for fun, or because they wanted to play a new class/race. Now they have to give you cookie, just for playing the game a different way? Frankly, I have a handful of alts, and I play them because I want to try different classes or races, and see different facets of the world/story. I don’t need any other reward for doing so.
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well ain’t you cute twisting my words like that. I would like to play my alts for fun too, problem is, alting greatly reduces the content I can access.

Fyrebrand.4859:

pullnointer: " all I see is that I have to grind through a lot of kitten pve content to get to dungeons, something in this game resembling fun then it’s still very restricting for at least like 20 levels and I’m handicapped because of gear/traits.. I kinda feel like I’m playing to get to the endgame, then have fun, something you guys explicitly stated you wanted to avoid."

Sounds like you didn’t enjoy the game the first time — not sure why you’re expecting to be pushed into enjoying it the second time.
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I only enjoy dungeons and spvp(not yet tho, needs a lot of improvement). lvling to 35 was fine the first time, the game was still new.

Neurochazm.5370:

Rukia.4802:

Extremely alt unfriendly actually, in comparison to let’s say WoW where I could easily level an alt with full heirlooms in a few days and have it maxed out in heroic epic gear whereas I’d have to grind months in GW2 for ascended gear, seeing as how dailies are account bound and not character… pointless having anything other than 1 main.

Having dailies account bound is like the equivalent of Blizzard locking raids to one character a week, so I can only gear up ONE main and no alts. It’s complete trash. (which they would never do btw)

I’ve never played a game so unfriendly to alts, never ever it’s horrible.

Ascended gear is Best in Slot gear. To get BiS gear in WoW does not take day’s or weeks.
If Anet made getting ascended gear really easy, what would you do once all your alts were kitted out?

more fractals

Ooshi.8607:

Can you do fractals at level 2? Check.

lolol t*rololol

I created 4 characters on launch day, I’ve since added a 5th and I have a 6th slot for temporary characters and I don’t see a problem.

My solution to the gear “problem” is simply to pick 1 main character (the one I most enjoy playing and therefore am most likely to use for everything, in particular “end game” activities which need that gear) and make her the first priority for everything. She’s my first level 80, she’ll be my first to get exotics, the first to get Ascended gear and the first to get a legendary. The others will get it as and when I can afford it, which might mean they will never get a full set but that’s not a problem because they won’t be doing things that need it (not that I’m convinced you need top-end gear for anything in this game).

I did the same thing in GW1. I have 8 characters but only 4 have all the runes and insignias for their armor* and 2 of them got to that point very slowly over time because I didn’t buy any, I just used ones that happened to drop. Most of my heroes on most of those characters are still using their default weapons too.

(* As much as people like to make a fuss about max stat armor being easy to get in GW1 the runes and insignias are where most of the stat bonuses came from and they could easily cost more than a full set of armor, especially if you wanted a popular one.)

This game is great for alts, especially if you have a couple of accounts and a little bit of ingenuity.

But to answer the “stealth” Ascended gear gripe OP probably meant – I don’t need any farmed gear to enter every piece of content in the game, the only one I ought to have different gear provides that different gear when napping through it the first time.

Want a mount too? How about Inspect function? ;-)

I don’t really mind the ascended gear stuff too much to be honest,I have aload of rings for alts so I can gear one up with 10AR quite easily,up to 20 AR depending on how much stuff I have in my bank for infusing(now just to actually get an alt to level 80 first…)

It used to be Alt friendly and now its not, If i join GW2 today i’d most likely not make Alts because this game punishes them at end game, obviously i made 9 Alts before all these silly gating requirements were added and now i regret it…

Ascended implementation was the biggest killer of alts to me..especially in Fotm, dungeons and WvW..

Stop for a sec there – at this moment in time the Ascended gear/fractals makes some more reluctant to play alts, as they cannot maintain a number of alts at the “top level” despite the fact that only a couple of pieces of gear have been “superceded”.

And that is assuming a lot of things that I normally point out are broken arguments.

Can I get the link to where it was stated you’d need ascended gear for any other content, where it was stated that a verticle step from Fractals to upcoming encounters was intended? I want this stated in black and white as extrapolation is not this forum’s strong suit.

Even IF all of the above falls into place it makes GW2 on par with other games for having “fully endgame” alts, and otherwise in every way kittens all over every other system. That is – the one tiny failed gripe that can be brought to bear on this topic can be viewed in a vacuum and likely won’t be relevant in couple of months.

relevant:

“We want each character to have a unique experience in WvW, so World Ranks and WXP are all character-based values rather than account-based. We believe that in the long run, this will actually help incentivize players to experiment with various different ability builds for each character. It also creates a long term goal for players of multiple characters, as they can strive to rank up multiple characters to help show off their dedication to WvW.”

xDD

thisolderhead.5127:

Stop for a sec there – at this moment in time the Ascended gear/fractals makes some more reluctant to play alts, as they cannot maintain a number of alts at the “top level” despite the fact that only a couple of pieces of gear have been “superceded”.

Can I get the link to where it was stated you’d need ascended gear for any other content, where it was stated that a verticle step from Fractals to upcoming encounters was intended? I want this stated in black and white as extrapolation is not

And that is assuming a lot of things that I normally point out are broken arguments.this forum’s strong suit.

Even IF all of the above falls into place it makes GW2 on par with other games for having “fully endgame” alts, and otherwise in every way kittens all over every other system. That is – the one tiny failed gripe that can be brought to bear on this topic can be viewed in a vacuum and likely won’t be relevant in couple of months.

Ofc it’s not stated. It’s the same as not needing exotic gear….or rare gear..or masterwork gear. The point of “you don’t need it” is the same as saying “u don’t need any armor at all”, which we know doesn’t exactly fly even though technically accurate.

This game could be alt friendlier but it’s not that bad. The ascended item thing is a red herring, because how many characters do you really need to run fractals. And there’s nothing else you need ascended items for.

Let’s not forget that achievements are account bound. If you do a dungeon on different characters or you kill stuff on different characters, even dailies, it all goes to the account, which is very alt friendly. I often do dailies on a number of different characters.

But I do believe if you complete a story mode dungeon on one character you should unlock explorable modes for the entire account.