Guild Wars 2

I dont know many games with such an awesome underwater combat System.

Why there are no underwater dungeons, or why all the new maßs got so few underwater places.

Mabye we can also get some Story with the Deep Sea Dragon or smth.

I got 1 underwater Leggy called Kamohai Kotaki and ist the most beautiful Legendary in this game.

I hope we can get Kind of a Atlantis map or so

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Has been asked for numerous times. People complain they hate underwater for x reason. Not sure it is on a priority list in the company until they work on the undersea dragon, even then they may just do every event on land to head off the complaints. Then they would get complaints from those like myself that really enjoy underwater.

@devs. No, please don’t…

GW2 has a really beautiful underwater world, and the underwater combat system is undoubtedly more advanced and interesting than most other mmos have to offer.
However, I wouldn’t call it “awesome” in any case.

I too, think they should give underwater content more love (time, resources and work), but they should begin by fixing the multiple issues in the uw combat system. Make all the skills usable underwater, for starts…

Toasa.1236:

I dont know many games with such an awesome underwater combat System.

Why there are no underwater dungeons, or why all the new maßs got so few underwater places.

Mabye we can also get some Story with the Deep Sea Dragon or smth.

I got 1 underwater Leggy called Kamohai Kotaki and ist the most beautiful Legendary in this game.

I hope we can get Kind of a Atlantis map or so

?

this + 10,00000 !!! now it be really nice and welcome to see them do something like

this . and not only that but put a few chests in too . and way points as well . as farming

nodes like they have done . and even tho they will not do this but having the maps

in 4k with directx 11 would be a big hit

Toasa.1236:

I dont know many games with such an awesome underwater combat System.

Why there are no underwater dungeons, or why all the new maßs got so few underwater places.

Mabye we can also get some Story with the Deep Sea Dragon or smth.

I got 1 underwater Leggy called Kamohai Kotaki and ist the most beautiful Legendary in this game.

I hope we can get Kind of a Atlantis map or so

?

I agree, underwater content just kinda disappeared from the game, although it had so much potential. There’s definitely a reason to rework it, since there’s another dragon deep down.

Sunken Atlantis-like map sounds awesome. Largos as a new race would also make sense (and it’s not even that much work since they have human-like body models, so no need to waste much time with armor-fitting).

And since we haven’t seen much of underwater world before, there’s a lot of creative freedom story and art-wise.

They could even add some new masteries to make underwater fights more enjoyable.

And even feature some Abaddon stuff in it. Yes I know he is dead-dead, but some ‘lost lore’ on him would be awesome. Remember that fractal we never got? A lot of people regret it, and this would be an opportunity to elaborate on his story, since he was the God of Everlasting Depths after all.

And DSD of course, it’s also time for him to finally come out of the shadows. It’s been 4 years and we still don’t even know his name, although we’ve already beaten Mordremoth (who was not even announced at launch).

Dunno about underwater dungeons/fractals/raids, but they could surely put in some underwater story stuff in the game.

GW2 has some of the best underwater experience from MMOs I’ve played. That’s not saying much, as most people tend to cringe at underwater stuff.

But the big problem is, GW2’s underwater skills are unfinished. It caused a lot of unbalance in WvW/PvP. Instead of committing to fixing it, which could’ve been awesome, they backed off of it and left those skills unfinished.

And poor, deprived Revenants got the worst of it…

I fully support more underwater content, although a full map would be overkill I suspect.
The underwater exploration stuff has been a huge plus for me since launch and it’s sad to see it drop off so much. Southson looked to add more, but it was so laggy under those waters, it was almost unplayable.

I did like the swimming around under Bitterfrost though. They had a proper icy lake feel and was quite atmospheric swimming under the ice. It’s just a pity there wasn’t an event or two down there, but I think they were keeping it as a “safe spot”.

+1 to more content and new skins.

I like the swimming around part, but could do without the combat part. And they could eliminate the breathing mask as part of the gear, that’s always a “waste” of a rune.

Sorry, that’s my opinion.

points to sig…

Always in to support the UW threads.

We can hope, right

Yes because underwater environments are beautiful and I’d like to get more use out of my rebreather icicle effects

No because sharks

Underwater combat is a lot like the desert borderlands. People either love or hate it.

Lahmia.2193:

Underwater combat is a lot like the desert borderlands. People either love or hate it.

Except there’s a big difference between them: Desert BL was fully developed (with a lot of player feedback), while underwater combat was not.

Also I think in both cases, there are a lot of people who haven’t really given it a fair shake. Folks tend to prefer the familiar over the new if the learning curve is steep, as it is for both DBL and underwater.

Lahmia.2193:

Underwater combat is a lot like the desert borderlands. People either love or hate it.

People hate it right now because the controls are clunky. Not because they necessarily hate the idea of going underwater. If the fight mechanics/movement gets fixed, then the problem is gone I think. From what I hear a lot of people are excited about DSD and his story. And underwater surroundings can be quite beautiful.

Also a lot of people want a new race, and honestly largos are much easier to implement than say tengu/koda/whatever cause of the armor-clipping issues and the need to adapt all the existing armor to new models.

I totally agree, we need more underwater content!!
Please anet, you could do so much with this, as adding new underwater areas to bring back the joy with underwater combat!

@Devs… underwater combat is horrible, please don’t waste your time producing any more.

kurfu.5623:

@Devs… underwater combat is horrible, please don’t waste your time producing any more.

…If they fixed underwater combat, it wouldn’t be horrible… That logic, yo. -_-

Just like if they fixed Charr gear clipping, it’d be less horrible. But I expect ANet will do equal amounts of work on both. Which is to say, zero.

What suggestions do you offer to fix underwater combat?

- Make all/more utility skills available UW…in the case of Rev, make the Elite available.
- Remove the Aquabreather and merge it with the helmet, or make the Aquabreather actually do something, i.e. you lose air when UW and the better your breather the slower you lose it(from the top of my head, probably not exactly what I want)
- Find a way to signal key skills you and/or enemy mobs use similar to “the big filled orange circles” we see a lot since HoT.
- Make the deep sea dark and dangerous
- Add a mastery line for UW(global not "only in maps X, Y, and Z) that let’s you: swim faster, cross/enter strong currents(not the map boundaries of course), see in the deep sea, find hidden treasure, whatnot.
- Make UW a PvE only thing until PvP’ers and WvW’ers really scream for it, then think about it again and then maybe implement it into the other modes.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Yes because underwater environments are beautiful and I’d like to get more use out of my rebreather icicle effects

No because sharks

I’ll simply let the proper spoiler here.
http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dirk_101_bs_0614_0195.jpg?w=780

kurfu.5623:

@Devs… underwater combat is horrible, please don’t waste your time producing any more.

@devs, please don’t listen to these people, you don’t need this kind of negativity in your waters. Please spend all your efforts on remaking what could be the most unique and greatest battle platform of all RPGs

People don’t like it because they aren’t willing to try and learn it’s combat. The power weapons are all melee so they actually have to learn how to fight wrather than turret while spamming 1. And yet they won’t do that so they use the condi/hybrid ranged weapons in a power build and turret spamming 1 and then claim they do no dmg….

Justine.6351:

People don’t like it because they aren’t willing to try and learn it’s combat.

Nonsense. People don’t like it because it is rubbish in every game and, although I’ve never tried it, I’m pretty sure it is rubbish in real life too. Next time you are in the pool, try throwing a punch underwater. It turns out Newton’s third law is correct.

It will always be a naff environment in which to fight.

Amaimon.7823:

kurfu.5623:

@Devs… underwater combat is horrible, please don’t waste your time producing any more.

@devs, please don’t listen to these people, you don’t need this kind of negativity in your waters. Please spend all your efforts on remaking what could be the most unique and greatest battle platform of all RPGs

@devs please don’t listen to these people, you don’t need this kind of time wasting suggestion clogging up your productivity. Please spend all of your efforts continuing to make decent above ground content, which is truly your greatest battle platform.

touche’

Ardid.7203:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Yes because underwater environments are beautiful and I’d like to get more use out of my rebreather icicle effects

No because sharks

I’ll simply let the proper spoiler here.
http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dirk_101_bs_0614_0195.jpg?w=780

Dont you dare
I have galeophobia DONT.

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Toasa.1236:

I dont know many games with such an awesome underwater combat System.

Why there are no underwater dungeons, or why all the new maßs got so few underwater places.

Mabye we can also get some Story with the Deep Sea Dragon or smth.

I got 1 underwater Leggy called Kamohai Kotaki and ist the most beautiful Legendary in this game.

I hope we can get Kind of a Atlantis map or so

?

this + 10,00000 !!! now it be really nice and welcome to see them do something like

this . and not only that but put a few chests in too . and way points as well . as farming

nodes like they have done . and even tho they will not do this but having the maps

in 4k with directx 11 would be a big hit

There are 1 or 2 waypoints in Bloodtide coast. Aside from having all the skills my biggie is the control. If you go from land to water sometimes you will go under and at least have some skills, sometimes you will not and have no skills. If you use the keyboard for navigation you are grabbing for a controller so you can dive under. Going from water to land is not always a picnic either, especially if you are in a hurry and seconds count.

Menadena.7482:

WARIORSCHARGEING.2637:

Toasa.1236:

I dont know many games with such an awesome underwater combat System.

Why there are no underwater dungeons, or why all the new maßs got so few underwater places.

Mabye we can also get some Story with the Deep Sea Dragon or smth.

I got 1 underwater Leggy called Kamohai Kotaki and ist the most beautiful Legendary in this game.

I hope we can get Kind of a Atlantis map or so

?

this + 10,00000 !!! now it be really nice and welcome to see them do something like

this . and not only that but put a few chests in too . and way points as well . as farming

nodes like they have done . and even tho they will not do this but having the maps

in 4k with directx 11 would be a big hit

There are 1 or 2 waypoints in Bloodtide coast. Aside from having all the skills my biggie is the control. If you go from land to water sometimes you will go under and at least have some skills, sometimes you will not and have no skills. If you use the keyboard for navigation you are grabbing for a controller so you can dive under. Going from water to land is not always a picnic either, especially if you are in a hurry and seconds count.

We could get more control if they would implement with a new watermap, underwater masteries

Please no… Or at least do so outside of personal story, so we could skip such content without too much of a hassle. I would be okay with such a compromise.

kurfu.5623:

Amaimon.7823:

kurfu.5623:

@Devs… underwater combat is horrible, please don’t waste your time producing any more.

@devs, please don’t listen to these people, you don’t need this kind of negativity in your waters. Please spend all your efforts on remaking what could be the most unique and greatest battle platform of all RPGs

@devs please don’t listen to these people, you don’t need this kind of time wasting suggestion clogging up your productivity. Please spend all of your efforts continuing to make decent above ground content, which is truly your greatest battle platform.

touche’

@devs, please don’t give in to the people who want you to stay monotonous on one rail that works decently, instead of trying to make a difference and truly become something great. something more, something you were meant to be.
People will want us to stay on land. Who are these people? they’re minions of DSD, of course. They don’t want us to get used to the UW world. Are we gonna give in to the demands of dragon minions, or are we gonna be great and make UW-combat great again!

I want more underwater stuff too. I miss the capricorn map in pvp, and the quaggan island in wvw. There used to be an underwater guild in wvw that I remember fighting against. Those guys had the right idea, water combat is awesome. Please get rid of the crappy bloodlust nodes that no one likes anyway and put the quaggan island back so we can have underwater battles again on the borderlands.

I vote no on more underwater stuff. Fighting underwater is not enjoyable. The reasons I can think of include the following.

1. The 3-D nature of the environment makes it difficult to see what is attacking me.
2. The weapon skills are suddenly different from what I use in 90% of the game, so I dislike the learning curve.
3. The utility skills change, as the ones I use on land are not available underwater.

Please, no more underwater content.

Sheesh. When HoT launched people complained about the lack of water in the new maps and begged for underwater content. We got Ember Bay not too long ago and it has lots of water to swim. It even has a champion shark thing event that sometimes is the daily achievement. Even the most recent map, Bitterfrost Frontier has a large under water area.

This community is so divided.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Ardid.7203:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Yes because underwater environments are beautiful and I’d like to get more use out of my rebreather icicle effects

No because sharks

I’ll simply let the proper spoiler here.
http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dirk_101_bs_0614_0195.jpg?w=780

Dont you dare
I have galeophobia DONT.

Unless you have Pararibulitis you should be safe.
Although then, trying to further investigate the spoiler could be a problem….

Ardid.7203:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Ardid.7203:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Yes because underwater environments are beautiful and I’d like to get more use out of my rebreather icicle effects

No because sharks

I’ll simply let the proper spoiler here.
http://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/dirk_101_bs_0614_0195.jpg?w=780

Dont you dare
I have galeophobia DONT.

Unless you have Pararibulitis you should be safe.
Although then, trying to further investigate the spoiler could be a problem….

No more kitten risen sharks

Exactly, that’s the word: kitten.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

No more kitten risen sharks

Can’t say anything in particular about zombies or sharks, but I agree with the sentiment anyway. :\

Yeah. Underwater combat is nicely done. But what i really dislike is that i just dont know how far i am from the npc. Just because you can be anywhere around is very difficult to determine correct distance. Personally, i DON’T want ANY underwater dungeon.

Water combat — another “unique” feature/gimmick that’s been swept under the rug…

Was it even properly implemented in the first place? You can’t get a level-appropriate headpiece without either Googling for the single karma-vendor (for a green), or from spending a lot of money buying/crafting it.

redcore.3940:

Yeah. Underwater combat is nicely done. But what i really dislike is that i just dont know how far i am from the npc. Just because you can be anywhere around is very difficult to determine correct distance. Personally, i DON’T want ANY underwater dungeon.

Ya distance and camera clipping with water surface are pretty bad.

underwater combat is horrrible if your melee. just hitting the targets can be a challenge sometimes.

anet pls just do more underwater it doesnt have to have combat maybe an underwater jp or at elast some nice look underwater environments.

The majority has always loved underwater content they only wanted it balanced. New games are adding it and games like WoW continue to support it. AUnderwater is an important aspect.

However people wanted balance and access to skills for instanve some class race conboes barely have any skills at all for use. Faced with balancing classes andbthere push for underwater they abandoned it even ending underwater weapons before all others. It all stems from poor balance which feeds the hatred. Like the revenant underwater content launched incomplete and thus it suffers here while it thrives in other games.

DoctorDing.5890:

@devs. No, please don’t…

Yes, please do! I am so sad that there is so little underwater content. I can’t wait to explore more hidden secrets laying at the bottom of the sea.

Please do, and to the majority who doesn’t like the underwater combat is due to their own flaws and being unexperienced gamers…wait…players…those people are not gamers at all. The underwater world is just as vast as the land and it should not be avoided, if you make it optional and not a requirement, this would be good enough to chose where to play. At the end the underwater is comparable with the mounts on the level of importance, not smaller amount of people want underwater content, than the amount of mount lovers!!!

UW combat does need some love – the current system I call “jousting in the murk” because I usually can’t see what I’m attacking, when I’m in range at all. That said, I love the concept of the mode and really hope to see it fully realized one day, instead of sidestepped and ignored. Drained lake? Boiling sea? Come on guys. This is what you gave us instead of flying; see it through.

I don’t want to see underwater done, until they update their skills tech so i’m not using 50% of a kit.

Thanks.

zealex.9410:

anet pls just do more underwater it doesnt have to have combat maybe an underwater jp or at elast some nice look underwater environments.

Underwater Jumping Puzzle. Dear lord, I didn’t realise how much I wanted one until now.

Lahmia.2193:

zealex.9410:

anet pls just do more underwater it doesnt have to have combat maybe an underwater jp or at elast some nice look underwater environments.

Underwater Jumping Puzzle. Dear lord, I didn’t realise how much I wanted one until now.

One already exist. Though its mostly a math puzzle.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Professor_Portmatt%27s_Lab

Also a “minidungeon” more like logic puzzle but eh….
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Long_Way_Around

I agree that I’d like to see more underwater content. It’s so beautiful and interesting to explore. I do think the time spent on making the skills work underwater and balancing so the combat works better would be worth it.

Alternately, there could be less combat underwater and more alternate things to do. Even a mastery system of using currents, lighting dark places (like is already in the game, only via mastery, not interacting with an object), interacting with seaweed kinds of things like mushrooms in HoT, underwater mounts, etc. There’s a lot of potential, and the mastery system could open up underwater content in new releases for things like jumping/swimming puzzles, etc.

It isn’t great as it is, but it’s a real shame to leave it be when there’s so much potential.

Well the developers gave underwater it’s own skill bar and pushed the mode farther than any other RPG developer has before, and people still dread fighting underwater. Perhaps it’s time to accept the obvious conclusion, that players generally don’t want to be forced into underwater combat. I know I don’t.

Which isn’t to say that underwater combat shouldn’t be a part of the game at all, but it shouldn’t be brought back to the 20% of world content that it was originally intended to be.