Guild Wars 2

Heh… bought two ultimates, one for my son and I. That’ll fix ’em!

Ah, it’s nice to be back after a hiatus. Anyone else making a HOT related return after some time off?

With the change in their policy, my wife and I bought out 2 ultimate copies last night. We buy gems occasionally anyway, so now we both have the expansion, I’ll get my $10 back from the January 23rd sale, and we’ll both get to run around the jungle together and soar through the skies on our pretty green gliders

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

The cost is now in line with other companies, so I’m not seeing the issue. I do enjoy the game, and I do enjoy what I’ve heard so far about the expansion. I would like more info to come out about it, but I’ve only been playing for 6 months as of today, so there is a LOT of stuff I haven’t gotten around to yet.

As I said, we buy gems occasionally anyway; now we don’t have to do that and we get to play the expansion when it arrives.

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

Seriously, why not? For the years (literally) of enjoyment it’s a small investment. Besides… how do you define “little”? This promises to be quite the beefy expansion. Just look at what’s being added today under the “free” category… Anet’s earned my money.

I also bought the Ultimate Edition. Way I saw the deal was, 50$ for the expansion (which seems to be the cost of most expansions I’m interested in these days) and an additional 50$ for the gems, which I occasionally buy. Then I also get all the additional stuff in the deal.

I only got standard, but I believe I am getting value for my money.

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

Yup, totally agreed. No wonder such scummy marketing tactics keep existing.

ArmoredVehicle.2849:

Yup, totally agreed. No wonder such scummy marketing tactics keep existing.

Not necessarily. The price of games have significantly inflated from what PC gaming was years ago. I believe when my dad bought me StarCraft it was only 40$. Now most baseline games cost 60$. Many expansions and DLC have varying costs depending on the amount of things they are adding. Most “true” expansions cost 40$-50$ with the prices shifting to the latter. DLC are far cheaper but its what I would compare to the Gem Store.

These marketing tactics may have been considered “scummy” in the past but with the all the the free gaming that exists now a days ranging from Candy Crush Saga to truly free MMOs these tactics have become the norm otherwise many of these companies couldn’t compete.

Additionally, I don’t find this as scummy. They told me what I was going to get, and I was satisfied with it, so I bought it. This is not like haggling on the streets of New York, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. This is like going to WalMart and buy a new TV that’s 1000$. If you don’t like it don’t buy it or wait for it to go on sale.

Edit: Added the last paragraph.

I was a rage-monkey myself right up until A-Net fixed its mistake. Once it did, I immediately pre-purchased the Ultimate Edition. 10 years of great GW offerings is enough to give me confidence for the future. No-one HAS to pre-purchase, but I think the free slot is fair payment to me for doing so. Call it ‘interest’ on the ‘loan’ I’m giving A-Net by pre-purchasing.

If people wanna pay for that its their business and choice but they could be people that have a lot of disposable income to put it like that for diverse reasons, but I wanna think that most players of any game do not have a lot of disposable income they are at the start of their road in their 20’s and early 30’s meaning a lot of what they win goes to savings for whatever or have other issues.
But this are the people who can make or break a game and pricing a expansion for 50$ is not worth it and what they did is a kitten practice that must change and for Arena net to get it, I say do not buy it because if you do so they will see the error of their ways and lower the price. They need the income from this expansion but they got greedy as blizzard did and many others lets teach them to not be the lazy greedy kitten game company like blizzard and many other are.

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

Would a big fat Guild Wars 2 poster work instead? Funny how that would accomplish exactly the same thing but wouldn’t seem at all odd.

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

I showed them too. I bought the ultimate as did many others.

Honestly getting sick of people kittening about the price. It’s a fair price. They have no idea how much work went into it. No one told them to buy it and no one is telling them to buy it when it comes out. They want to get it cheap, wait for 6 months. The price will come down.

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

Naw, I want a HOT t-shirt for being a staunch supporter. I’d buy a keyboard and mouse if I liked the design.

Plus, you have no idea what’s in the expansion. Unless you know the content, you can’t say what it is or is not worth.

Tere.4759:

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

Naw, I want a HOT t-shirt for being a staunch supporter. I’d buy a keyboard and mouse if I liked the design.

Plus, you have no idea what’s in the expansion. Unless you know the content, you can’t say what it is or is not worth.

There was even a beta for it there was content shown and told to us every week until now. We have a idea what’s in the expansion.

Tere.4759:

I showed them too. I bought the ultimate as did many others.

Honestly getting sick of people kittening about the price. It’s a fair price. They have no idea how much work went into it. No one told them to buy it and no one is telling them to buy it when it comes out. They want to get it cheap, wait for 6 months. The price will come down.

No ones whining about prices
Anyone that is sane can see its a reasonable and standard amongst competitor expansion pricing..

People are whining about anet not releasing ALL the details about the xpac.
There’s not even a release window yet,and more than half the details of the content still missing.
We got a couple elite specs shown, guild halls, half of a new class, maybe half a map?
I mean, seriously, when are we going to see the full glory of this xpac content?
I’ll happily wait and see instead of blindly purchasing it… I still plan to buy it, but I have no legit reason to rush into pre purchasing something thats been barely had half of its info released…
If you want to drop $100 bucks, more power to ya, I’ll happily wait and see what comes to fruit first….

SkiTz.4590:

No ones whining about prices

People have been complaining about the price since it was announced. Not the only complaint but certainly a common one.

ScorpioSting.5917:

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

dank.3680:

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

It doesn’t take too much looking to see plenty of other price complaints.

Ashen.2907:

SkiTz.4590:

No ones whining about prices

People have been complaining about the price since it was announced. Not the only complaint but certainly a common one.

ScorpioSting.5917:

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

dank.3680:

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

It doesn’t take too much looking to see plenty of other price complaints.

Price whining is completely ignored by Anet.. it does nothing at all to whine about price.
That is not a legitimate complaint AT ALL and most sane ppl see that.
Everyone complains about pricing on every thing in this world. Everything is expensive to someone, speaking relatively.
Price whining was never a legit complaint falling on Anets ears, they could care less about what people think of the price tag, its pretty standard, most people see that when they compare it to other popular MMO price tags….
Its a useless complaint, no one paid any attention to. The most important complaint was never the price..

SkiTz.4590:

Ashen.2907:

SkiTz.4590:

No ones whining about prices

People have been complaining about the price since it was announced. Not the only complaint but certainly a common one.

ScorpioSting.5917:

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

dank.3680:

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

It doesn’t take too much looking to see plenty of other price complaints.

Price whining is completely ignored by Anet.. it does nothing at all to whine about price.
That is not a legitimate complaint AT ALL and most sane ppl see that.
Everyone complains about pricing on every thing in this world. Everything is expensive to someone, speaking relatively.
Price whining was never a legit complaint falling on Anets ears, they could care less about what people think of the price tag, its pretty standard, most people see that when they compare it to other popular MMO price tags….
Its a useless complaint, no one paid any attention to. The most important complaint was never the price..

Then we not sane people will complain and complain trough any medium we can because you can not change this kittenty practice by standing by their side. So what if they try to ignore it at least it will be a bother seeing most posts being about the price and that is a start things will not change if things are comfortable.

adormtil.1605:

SkiTz.4590:

Ashen.2907:

SkiTz.4590:

No ones whining about prices

People have been complaining about the price since it was announced. Not the only complaint but certainly a common one.

ScorpioSting.5917:

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

dank.3680:

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

It doesn’t take too much looking to see plenty of other price complaints.

Price whining is completely ignored by Anet.. it does nothing at all to whine about price.
That is not a legitimate complaint AT ALL and most sane ppl see that.
Everyone complains about pricing on every thing in this world. Everything is expensive to someone, speaking relatively.
Price whining was never a legit complaint falling on Anets ears, they could care less about what people think of the price tag, its pretty standard, most people see that when they compare it to other popular MMO price tags….
Its a useless complaint, no one paid any attention to. The most important complaint was never the price..

Then we not sane people will complain and complain trough any medium we can because you can not change this kittenty practice by standing by their side. So what if they try to ignore it at least it will be a bother seeing most posts being about the price and that is a start things will not change if things are comfortable.

good luck with that.

SkiTz.4590:

Ashen.2907:

SkiTz.4590:

No ones whining about prices

People have been complaining about the price since it was announced. Not the only complaint but certainly a common one.

ScorpioSting.5917:

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

dank.3680:

I showed them, 3 copies of GW2 in my house that won’t get updated till they sell it at a fair price.

It doesn’t take too much looking to see plenty of other price complaints.

Price whining is completely ignored by Anet.. it does nothing at all to whine about price.
That is not a legitimate complaint AT ALL and most sane ppl see that.
Everyone complains about pricing on every thing in this world. Everything is expensive to someone, speaking relatively.
Price whining was never a legit complaint falling on Anets ears, they could care less about what people think of the price tag, its pretty standard, most people see that when they compare it to other popular MMO price tags….
Its a useless complaint, no one paid any attention to. The most important complaint was never the price..

If you think 90$ anet could have from me right now for a fairly priced expansion instead of 0$ is something they ignore, you are sadly mistaken.

Short answer is nope.

I find it amazing how now so many people spend 1/8th of the price of the expansion on some wings, but complain about the $50,- expansion not being worth the price. Sure the two might be related, if you buy those wings you don’t expect kitten,- expansion and if you get kitten,- expansion you expect such wings in the game itself, but it still amazes me… Or do most people simply grind gold for the gems? (But do they then enjoy the game?)

Income usually spikes around an expansion so the people spending money on these things are just a smaller group but can you (if you are one of them) please explain to me why you complain about the $50,- not being worth the content (what might be a valid reason.. I mean for that price I do in fact expect those wings (and such items) to be a reward in game) but then are fine with such a price for those wings.. how is that worth the price?

Devata.6589:

I find it amazing how now so many people spend 1/8th of the price of the expansion on some wings, but complain about kitten,- expansion not being worth the price. Sure the two might be related, if you buy those wings you don’t expect kitten,- expansion and if you get kitten,- expansion you expect such wings in the game itself, but it still amazes me… Or do most people simply grind gold for the gems? (But do they then enjoy the game?)

Income usually spikes around an expansion so the people spending money on these things are just a smaller group but can you (if you are one of them) please explain to me why you complain about the $50,- not being worth the content (what might be a valid reason.. I mean for that price I do in fact expect those wings to be a reward in game) but then are fine with such a price for those wings.. how is that worth the price?

But wings are cool! lol

Can you not buy those wings by trading gold for gems and buying them with the gems?
I am pretty sure you can not buy the expansion with gems.

I’m just wondering what all those folk who pre-purchase find out that the expansion actually sucks. Not saying it will, just saying…

adormtil.1605:

Can you not buy those wings by trading gold for gems and buying them with the gems?
I am pretty sure you can not buy the expansion with gems.

Like I said.. or do they grind for the gems.. but then the question rises if that is any fun. I mean grinding is such a boring brainless task.

Flatley.1620:

I’m just wondering what all those folk who pre-purchase find out that the expansion actually sucks. Not saying it will, just saying…

They’ll do the same thing that anyone that prepurchases a game does, when it doesn’t work out. They’ll be annoyed.

That said, prepurchasing an expansion for an MMO is a bit different than prepurchasing a game. If you already like the game, and know the direction it’s heading in (I’m pretty sure I do), the chances of me not liking the expansion are fairly remote.

In a worst case scenario, if I add that $50 to the total money I’ve spent on Guild Wars 2 and divide that by the hours I’ve spent enjoy it, I’m still down to only pennies an hour.

Devata.6589:

adormtil.1605:

Can you not buy those wings by trading gold for gems and buying them with the gems?
I am pretty sure you can not buy the expansion with gems.

Like I said.. or do they grind for the gems.. but then the question rises if that is any fun. I mean grinding is such a boring brainless task.

Gold is easy to optain if you do a lot of dungeons or fractals and for PVE that is the most fun thing you can do.
You also get a lot of gold in doing WVW. You get gold just by playing and enjoying the game.
I never grinded in this game and I have over 100 gold that I do not even need to use for anything.

adormtil.1605:

Devata.6589:

adormtil.1605:

Can you not buy those wings by trading gold for gems and buying them with the gems?
I am pretty sure you can not buy the expansion with gems.

Like I said.. or do they grind for the gems.. but then the question rises if that is any fun. I mean grinding is such a boring brainless task.

Gold is easy to optain if you do a lot of dungeons or fractals and for PVE that is the most fun thing you can do.
You also get a lot of gold in doing WVW. You get gold just by playing and enjoying the game.
I never grinded in this game and I have over 100 gold that I do not even need to use for anything.

Depends on what you like I guess. I do like WvW, but running with the group I only like to do once in a while, and that is the only thing that earns you money in WvW, the rest mainly costs you money.

Speed running dungeons is not really my things, and when just doing dungeons for the money (as many do) it even becomes boring (while doing a dungeon because that wing drops there makes a dungeon more fun to me, it gives more incentive, lack of such items as rewards is what makes a lot of content also more dull, gold is a boring incentive to me). Also with normal PvE you don’t make a lot of gold, only if you focus on the champ-trains or Word-bosses.

So I can’t say normal play makes you a lot of gold, also the 100 gold you talk about would give you about 400 gems? The wings are already 500, and then you might also want the rock and one of the new skins, and a finisher and… All together costing you thousands of gold.

You see, the wing is one example and when looking at them separately your right, getting this wing is doable without too much grind, but getting these items in general (put together) it required grinding or buying and then it makes me wonder why people seem to be fine spending money on such items but then say the expansion in not worth $50,-.

I have no problem with the $50,- while at the same time I do then want some less grinding, or buying in the game, but getting such items as rewards for content, adding to that content. So if there is any complain about the price it would be if this would not happen.

Isn’t it people who throw money around (the whales) who sort of funded the game over the last few years? If anything, they made at least some of game possible for you to play without paying.
If you loved playing Guild Wars 2 for these years then 50 or 100 euro is completely nothing for an MMO. Any subscription MMO makes you pay twice that a year. Just to play it.

It’s in everyone’s right to buy the expansion or to not buy it. And it’s very likely that if you just now loved walking through the new Lion’s Arch, that that was possible because someone threw money “mindlessly” at ArenaNet. It’s like having a ticket to the amusement park for free because someone else paid twice.

Devata.6589:

I find it amazing how now so many people spend 1/8th of the price of the expansion on some wings, but complain about the $50,- expansion not being worth the price. Sure the two might be related, if you buy those wings you don’t expect kitten,- expansion and if you get kitten,- expansion you expect such wings in the game itself, but it still amazes me… Or do most people simply grind gold for the gems? (But do they then enjoy the game?)

Income usually spikes around an expansion so the people spending money on these things are just a smaller group but can you (if you are one of them) please explain to me why you complain about the $50,- not being worth the content (what might be a valid reason.. I mean for that price I do in fact expect those wings (and such items) to be a reward in game) but then are fine with such a price for those wings.. how is that worth the price?

Ahahah you are unlucky, I bought GW2 at release and never purchased anything else at shop such as wings or any single gem, and about ppl that, as you said, spend 1/8th of the price of the expansion on some wings I can just reply again quoting myself:

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

I want to clarify that I am not “envious” about ppl that want to spend money like this, I just think that a price should be fair. If I buy a Ferrari at 500K (GW2 original game) and after one year I want new wheels (expansion HoT) I don’t have to pay 500K a-g-a-i-n… Nowadays people don’t think about this, they just accept what marketing impose to us, and passively accept to buy things overpriced, like zombies, and the funny thing is that you are on this forum trying to convince people like me that you are right! LoL, this is brainwash….

Sadly we are in this crazy-price situation because I think that a lot of players just buy without thinking, without demanding themselves if the price is fair.

FrizzFreston.5290:

Isn’t it people who throw money around (the whales) who sort of funded the game over the last few years? If anything, they made at least some of game possible for you to play without paying.
If you loved playing Guild Wars 2 for these years then 50 or 100 euro is completely nothing for an MMO. Any subscription MMO makes you pay twice that a year. Just to play it.

It’s in everyone’s right to buy the expansion or to not buy it. And it’s very likely that if you just now loved walking through the new Lion’s Arch, that that was possible because someone threw money “mindlessly” at ArenaNet. It’s like having a ticket to the amusement park for free because someone else paid twice.

No, if you would buy an expansion for $50,- every year (if Anet had given that opportunity) that would also have easily funded the game (it might have even earned them more).

The fact that they did not give that opportunity is because they could indeed earn the money with those items.

Personally I would much rather have had to pay that $50,- on a yearly base and then have those items in the game as fun rewards for content, crafts and so on. So I do not see it as a positive that those people pay for it because imho because of that I also get a lesser product for it. I the rather did have spent more money on it and get a better product for it.

anyway, this is going to much into another direction, all I asked was how those people find the $50,- not worth the content (not saying that’s not valid) the expansion gives but do find a single wing worth 1/8 the price of the expansion.

Devata.6589:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Isn’t it people who throw money around (the whales) who sort of funded the game over the last few years? If anything, they made at least some of game possible for you to play without paying.
If you loved playing Guild Wars 2 for these years then 50 or 100 euro is completely nothing for an MMO. Any subscription MMO makes you pay twice that a year. Just to play it.

It’s in everyone’s right to buy the expansion or to not buy it. And it’s very likely that if you just now loved walking through the new Lion’s Arch, that that was possible because someone threw money “mindlessly” at ArenaNet. It’s like having a ticket to the amusement park for free because someone else paid twice.

No, if you would buy an expansion for $50,- every year (if Anet had given that opportunity) that would also have easily funded the game (it might have even earned them more).

The fact that they did not give that opportunity is because they could indeed earn the money with those items.

Personally I would much rather have had to pay that $50,- on a yearly base and then have those items in the game as fun rewards for content, crafts and so on. So I do not see it as a positive that those people pay for it because imho because of that I also get a lesser product for it. I the rather did have spent more money on it and get a better product for it.

anyway, this is going to much into another direction, all I asked was how those people find the $50,- not worth the content (not saying that’s not valid) the expansion gives but do find a single wing worth 1/8 the price of the expansion.

That you can optain without spending extra real money as I said. The expansion actually is real money. What so hard to understand we need more value from things that we buy with real money especially at 50$.

adormtil.1605:

Devata.6589:

FrizzFreston.5290:

Isn’t it people who throw money around (the whales) who sort of funded the game over the last few years? If anything, they made at least some of game possible for you to play without paying.
If you loved playing Guild Wars 2 for these years then 50 or 100 euro is completely nothing for an MMO. Any subscription MMO makes you pay twice that a year. Just to play it.

It’s in everyone’s right to buy the expansion or to not buy it. And it’s very likely that if you just now loved walking through the new Lion’s Arch, that that was possible because someone threw money “mindlessly” at ArenaNet. It’s like having a ticket to the amusement park for free because someone else paid twice.

No, if you would buy an expansion for $50,- every year (if Anet had given that opportunity) that would also have easily funded the game (it might have even earned them more).

The fact that they did not give that opportunity is because they could indeed earn the money with those items.

Personally I would much rather have had to pay that $50,- on a yearly base and then have those items in the game as fun rewards for content, crafts and so on. So I do not see it as a positive that those people pay for it because imho because of that I also get a lesser product for it. I the rather did have spent more money on it and get a better product for it.

anyway, this is going to much into another direction, all I asked was how those people find the $50,- not worth the content (not saying that’s not valid) the expansion gives but do find a single wing worth 1/8 the price of the expansion.

That you can optain without spending extra real money as I said. The expansion actually is real money. What so hard to understand we need more value from things that we buy with real money especially at 50$.

I specifically addressed my question to people that spend money on it.

“people spending money on these things are just a smaller group but can you (if you are one of them) please explain to me …”

So the fact that you can grind for it does not matter, those people who spend money on it apparently did find it worth the money.

Not to say that I also find it a little strange that people are fine with the boring experience of grinding to obtain such items instead of paying $50,- for expansions (and playing for such items, not grinding, if that would be the case), personally I rather spend money on a good product (so $50,- but having these items in-game) then spending less money on a lesser (grindy) product. The most valid reason I see for finding $50,- to high is because so many of these items are not in-game but in the shop. But that is another discussion.

Are they the ones who complain about the price? I doubt that.

I’ve played in all the betas so far. what i’ve seen so far is worth the money.

i just think it’s hilarious how much YOU’RE complaining about how i spend MY money

Devata.6589:

No, if you would buy an expansion for $50,- every year (if Anet had given that opportunity) that would also have easily funded the game (it might have even earned them more).

The fact that they did not give that opportunity is because they could indeed earn the money with those items.

Personally I would much rather have had to pay that $50,- on a yearly base and then have those items in the game as fun rewards for content, crafts and so on. So I do not see it as a positive that those people pay for it because imho because of that I also get a lesser product for it. I the rather did have spent more money on it and get a better product for it.

It’s partly a what-if situation what you’re describing and most of it is just speculation that all that money goes into more making more gemstore items so that you get lesser content for it. I would say that at least parts of the money went into making living story season 1 and 2 and all the feature updates that we got for free. Paid to the people who made the content and very likely made this very expansion.

The gemstore items development pays itself out way more than what people are paying for it, yes. But that doesn’t automatically mean all that money goes back into the same development or makes other developers less able to deliver good content.

Plus, most of the reason that people are buying from the gemstore, is because they are enjoying themselves and ArenaNet has provided them with the means to keep themselves entertained. Which in the end, is all what a game is about.

That’s why it’s everyone’s OWN right to buy something. If you want something else from ArenaNet that they aren’t providing you, then you obviously shouldn’t buy their stuff. It’s that simple.

This is like telling people not to buy their favourite brand of pizza because you don’t like the quality of that pizza.

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

I can’t do it on my hearth, its dangerous.

I salute your Mini Rytlock Revenant, oh Maguuma Trailblazer!

It’s not a bad deal at all, especially considering many other games have a monthly subscription charge. Even most other “free” mmo games have limiting features for people not paying to be a VIP or whatever that specific game calls it. With GW2 you get access to absolutely everything for no fees. 3 months playing this game vs others and you’ve saved nearly enough for the expansion.

FrizzFreston.5290:

Devata.6589:

No, if you would buy an expansion for $50,- every year (if Anet had given that opportunity) that would also have easily funded the game (it might have even earned them more).

The fact that they did not give that opportunity is because they could indeed earn the money with those items.

Personally I would much rather have had to pay that $50,- on a yearly base and then have those items in the game as fun rewards for content, crafts and so on. So I do not see it as a positive that those people pay for it because imho because of that I also get a lesser product for it. I the rather did have spent more money on it and get a better product for it.

It’s partly a what-if situation what you’re describing and most of it is just speculation that all that money goes into more making more gemstore items so that you get lesser content for it. I would say that at least parts of the money went into making living story season 1 and 2 and all the feature updates that we got for free. Paid to the people who made the content and very likely made this very expansion.

The gemstore items development pays itself out way more than what people are paying for it, yes. But that doesn’t automatically mean all that money goes back into the same development or makes other developers less able to deliver good content.

Plus, most of the reason that people are buying from the gemstore, is because they are enjoying themselves and ArenaNet has provided them with the means to keep themselves entertained. Which in the end, is all what a game is about.

That’s why it’s everyone’s OWN right to buy something. If you want something else from ArenaNet that they aren’t providing you, then you obviously shouldn’t buy their stuff. It’s that simple.

This is like telling people not to buy their favourite brand of pizza because you don’t like the quality of that pizza.

I did never say the money would not also go into things like the LS, it obviously does. What I say is it effects the games in multiple ways.

For example “is because they are enjoying themselves and ArenaNet has provided them with the means to keep themselves entertained.”, people could likely entertain themselves even more if such items dropped from content. Let’s say the wing dropped in a from some mini-dungeon, people would be doing that (playing the game) to get it and enjoying themselves that way. Now they are grinding gold (for some enjoyment, for other acceptable and for other pure bugger, but they want the item) or buying it. But buying it is no playing and grinding is usually considered one of the worst forms of ‘playing’ in a MMO, plus that it tends to burn out / bore people overtime. So too much grind in a game is not good in the long run.

“That’s why it’s everyone’s OWN right to buy something.” Sure it is, again I did not say it wasn’t, while I would rather see them not doing that because it does also affect MY game-play.

" If you want something else from ArenaNet that they aren’t providing you, then you obviously shouldn’t buy their stuff." They do some stuff very right and some stuff really wrong, but let me be clear, I do not buy gems’.

But getting back to the point, all I asked was for somebody who did say the $50,- price was not worth the content, but does spend money on something like the wings to explain why he / she thinks the wings are then indeed worth the money. Or is it like an addiction, they can’t stop buying if they see the shiny, but when seeing a complete expansion it is not this one shiny thing so they can think clearly?

Anyway, I did get many responses to my question but nobody answered it so maybe the conclusion is, they can’t explain it themselves?

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

im not sure if youre joking or not. I paid 60+ for guild wars 2 and have 5000 hours. I paid 60 dollars for batman and finished it in 12 hours. The expansion will have more content than batman. im not sure I understand…

Azure.8670:

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

im not sure if youre joking or not. I paid 60+ for guild wars 2 and have 5000 hours. I paid 60 dollars for batman and finished it in 12 hours. The expansion will have more content than batman. im not sure I understand…

Wait you payed 60 dollar for the new piece of kitten Batman game that is stuck at 30 fps and is full of annoying mini games that make no sense.
Well I can say one thing we have different view on what is valuable content for a 50$ video game. I do not know who is right but this is the reason we complain we think there should be more for those money.
I am not saying you are wrong but neither are we.

They should look how STO is doing with paying 100 € you got lifetime updates and 500 gems / per month. This would be an offer for this kind of too much expensive pricing policy !!

DmnSrph.5347:

ArmoredVehicle.2849:

Yup, totally agreed. No wonder such scummy marketing tactics keep existing.

Not necessarily. The price of games have significantly inflated from what PC gaming was years ago. I believe when my dad bought me StarCraft it was only 40$. Now most baseline games cost 60$. Many expansions and DLC have varying costs depending on the amount of things they are adding. Most “true” expansions cost 40$-50$ with the prices shifting to the latter. DLC are far cheaper but its what I would compare to the Gem Store.

These marketing tactics may have been considered “scummy” in the past but with the all the the free gaming that exists now a days ranging from Candy Crush Saga to truly free MMOs these tactics have become the norm otherwise many of these companies couldn’t compete.

Additionally, I don’t find this as scummy. They told me what I was going to get, and I was satisfied with it, so I bought it. This is not like haggling on the streets of New York, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. This is like going to WalMart and buy a new TV that’s 1000$. If you don’t like it don’t buy it or wait for it to go on sale.

Edit: Added the last paragraph.

Price of games has not kept up with the general rate of inflation, and also it is far more expensive to make AAA video games now than it was in the past, so you could argue that the rate of inflation for games is even greater than inflation in general.

Companies are basically subsidizing the cost of new games and then making their profits from selling DLC and expansions. Just the way the industry works. It’s also why you see so many “free-to-play” MMOs. They really aren’t free. You end up spending a boat load on DLC just to get basic functionality or to be competitive. You should think of them more like a free trial than an actual game.

Fenar.4025:

DmnSrph.5347:

ArmoredVehicle.2849:

Yup, totally agreed. No wonder such scummy marketing tactics keep existing.

Not necessarily. The price of games have significantly inflated from what PC gaming was years ago. I believe when my dad bought me StarCraft it was only 40$. Now most baseline games cost 60$. Many expansions and DLC have varying costs depending on the amount of things they are adding. Most “true” expansions cost 40$-50$ with the prices shifting to the latter. DLC are far cheaper but its what I would compare to the Gem Store.

These marketing tactics may have been considered “scummy” in the past but with the all the the free gaming that exists now a days ranging from Candy Crush Saga to truly free MMOs these tactics have become the norm otherwise many of these companies couldn’t compete.

Additionally, I don’t find this as scummy. They told me what I was going to get, and I was satisfied with it, so I bought it. This is not like haggling on the streets of New York, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. This is like going to WalMart and buy a new TV that’s 1000$. If you don’t like it don’t buy it or wait for it to go on sale.

Edit: Added the last paragraph.

Price of games has not kept up with the general rate of inflation, and also it is far more expensive to make AAA video games now than it was in the past, so you could argue that the rate of inflation for games is even greater than inflation in general.

Companies are basically subsidizing the cost of new games and then making their profits from selling DLC and expansions. Just the way the industry works. It’s also why you see so many “free-to-play” MMOs. They really aren’t free. You end up spending a boat load on DLC just to get basic functionality or to be competitive. You should think of them more like a free trial than an actual game.

Really is this true even for games like GTA V, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age:Inquisition that sold more then 10 million copies?
Only GTA V did that but you get my point.

Okay, so I just want this clarified – there’s no JUST HoT expansion pack? Like what they did with Eye of the North? Because I love this game, don’t get me wrong, but I really don’t want to rebuy GW2…^^;

adormtil.1605:

Fenar.4025:

DmnSrph.5347:

ArmoredVehicle.2849:

Yup, totally agreed. No wonder such scummy marketing tactics keep existing.

Not necessarily. The price of games have significantly inflated from what PC gaming was years ago. I believe when my dad bought me StarCraft it was only 40$. Now most baseline games cost 60$. Many expansions and DLC have varying costs depending on the amount of things they are adding. Most “true” expansions cost 40$-50$ with the prices shifting to the latter. DLC are far cheaper but its what I would compare to the Gem Store.

These marketing tactics may have been considered “scummy” in the past but with the all the the free gaming that exists now a days ranging from Candy Crush Saga to truly free MMOs these tactics have become the norm otherwise many of these companies couldn’t compete.

Additionally, I don’t find this as scummy. They told me what I was going to get, and I was satisfied with it, so I bought it. This is not like haggling on the streets of New York, or anywhere else in the world for that matter. This is like going to WalMart and buy a new TV that’s 1000$. If you don’t like it don’t buy it or wait for it to go on sale.

Edit: Added the last paragraph.

Price of games has not kept up with the general rate of inflation, and also it is far more expensive to make AAA video games now than it was in the past, so you could argue that the rate of inflation for games is even greater than inflation in general.

Companies are basically subsidizing the cost of new games and then making their profits from selling DLC and expansions. Just the way the industry works. It’s also why you see so many “free-to-play” MMOs. They really aren’t free. You end up spending a boat load on DLC just to get basic functionality or to be competitive. You should think of them more like a free trial than an actual game.

Really is this true even for games like GTA V, The Witcher 3, Dragon Age:Inquisition that sold more then 10 million copies?
Only GTA V did that but you get my point.

Games that sell more copies make more money and are more profitable. Most games do not sell 10 million copies, though. I think GW2 (which is a fairly successful MMO) has only sold like 5-6 million copies over 3 years. Not sure about exact numbers, but it’s not 10 million. That includes China, I believe.

GW2 also has been putting out free content over the last several years, and that cost the Anet money to make. Witcher 3 is a new game and will probably have some additional content added. I know GTA V has added some free updates, but it is still a young game and is one of those mega blockbusters that can make a lot of money by just selling the base game. Dragon Age has 3 DLCs already.