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"DragonHunter" name feedback [merged]
I encourage everyone to continue proposing whatever names they like, even the most preposterous ones.
- Foebow — like Foehammer, ’cept bow-y.
- Exterminator — Dragon? Exterminate!
- Peacemaker — Dragons and/or other malevolent miscreants? Disturbing the peace? Aw, hell, naw!
- Pathfinder — though the night is dark and full of terrors, I shall light the way to a reckoning, and guide those who seek justice, and let the dragon beware, for when next we meet, he/she/it shall be my little puppy!
- Trappist — because preposterous pun.
- Regardatore/Regarder — because look up park ranger on the wikipedia.
- Armiger — so they can be armigerous!
- Wingclipper — because maybe they could shoot ’em with paralytic poison arrows in carefully selected wing parts or something, I dunno.
The table is a fable.
37 pages and people, somehow, still side on Anet’s side with this.
It’s easy to do. Despite the name-haters desire to convince people otherwise, ironically with ‘thematically inconsistencies’ and ‘lore’, there is very old, well established tradition of associating knightly character types as the nemesis to dragons. It’s not Anet’s fail for acknowledging this and borrowing on the idea. It’s a real thing, there is lots of cultural and historical references to it. Hell, there’s a kids show about it. Even my son associates knights as dragon hunters; he’s 6. It’s not a far fetched idea. If individuals can’t acknowledge this link, they are being disingenuous and have little reason to be listened to.
So….what!? The problem isn’t that they associate Guardians with dragons, why the hell do you guys refuse to see that? The problem is that they associate Guardians with big game hunters, the “game” in this case being dragons, and specifically gave them the name of ‘Dragonhunter" which is BULL. That’s why Dragonhunters in this case makes 0 sense.
Like i said earlier a few times, i’m a Sylvari Thief, what makes Guardians more Dragonhunters than me? NOTHING!!! I don’t even care that they use bows or traps, i hate they’re named “dragonhunters” when they have nothing to do with it, much less with the dumb big game hunter crap.
Would Paladins that decide to go into the offense be called Death Knights? Would Knights that use magic be called Mages? Would Rangers that use a Greatsword, like they do in this very darn game, be called Warriors? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [repeat O for about 5 seconds more].
There’s nothing that makes a Dragonhunter more of a Dragonhunter than Thieves, Mesmers, Warriors, Elementalists, etc.
“Would you kindly?”
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37 pages and people, somehow, still side on Anet’s side with this.
It’s easy to do. Despite the name-haters desire to convince people otherwise, ironically with ‘thematically inconsistencies’ and ‘lore’, there is very old, well established tradition of associating knightly character types as the nemesis to dragons. It’s not Anet’s fail for acknowledging this and borrowing on the idea. It’s a real thing, there is lots of cultural and historical references to it. Hell, there’s a kids show about it. Even my son associates knights as dragon hunters. It’s not a far fetched idea. If individuals can’t acknowledge this link, they are being disingenuous and have little reason to be listened to.
I’m sorry, do not ignore the points you failed to address. I will repeat it though. When people are asking for lore explanation, they are not asking for out of story one. They are asking for one in context of Guild Wars. Not real life fairy tales or cartoons.
There is also the Dragon Age Inquisition game, where the player character, the Inquisitor, can hunt dragons. So now that there is precedence for it, why can we not have Inquisitor instead?
This is not out of context for GW … it has dragons, it has knightly characters. Just because you can’t acknowledge Anet is borrowing on those themes to make connections with people’s experiences with stories and other sources of fantasy/legendary lore doesn’t make it nonsense. Artists borrow on familiar themes to make interesting variations ALL the time. The people writing the backgrounds of this game are doing it now.
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Like i said earlier a few times, i’m a Sylvari Thief, what makes Guardians more Dragonhunters than me? NOTHING!!!
The background story Anet creates does. That’s always the starting point for these MMO games.
Why are people arguing with Obtena?
Like i said earlier a few times, i’m a Sylvari Thief, what makes Guardians more Dragonhunters than me? NOTHING!!!
The background story Anet creates does.
Their background can say that a legendary warrior fought Mordremoth with a frying pan and won. It still wouldn’t make sense and people would hate it.
The explanations they gave for the Dragonhunter were weak, anyone who instead blind would see this.
“Would you kindly?”
37 pages and people, somehow, still side on Anet’s side with this.
It’s easy to do. Despite the name-haters desire to convince people otherwise, ironically with ‘thematically inconsistencies’ and ‘lore’, there is very old, well established tradition of associating knightly character types as the nemesis to dragons. It’s not Anet’s fail for acknowledging this and borrowing on the idea. It’s a real thing, there is lots of cultural and historical references to it. Hell, there’s a kids show about it. Even my son associates knights as dragon hunters. It’s not a far fetched idea. If individuals can’t acknowledge this link, they are being disingenuous and have little reason to be listened to.
I’m sorry, do not ignore the points you failed to address. I will repeat it though. When people are asking for lore explanation, they are not asking for out of story one. They are asking for one in context of Guild Wars. Not real life fairy tales or cartoons.
There is also the Dragon Age Inquisition game, where the player character, the Inquisitor, can hunt dragons. So now that there is precedence for it, why can we not have Inquisitor instead?This is not out of context for GW … it has dragons, it has knightly characters. Just because you can’t acknowledge Anet is borrowing on those themes to make connections with people’s backgrounds doesn’t make it nonsense. Artists do this ALL the time and the people writing the backgrounds of this game are doing it now.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW? Oh, you didn’t? Then it is out of context. Sure they can take inspiration from anything they want, but it was either you or that Val person who argued that DH makes perfect sense in story. When it doesn’t with what we have. What we don’t have is anything thst that links Guardians, specifically, to dragons. Knights are Warriors too. What specifically about Guardian links them?
The story could also make a Waffleslinger spec make sense.
And you were worried I mislabled you as immature?
It’s also not healthy to ignore what you don’t know or understand. It’s best to consider the possibility that you’re ignorant or wrong which is the basis for when I suggest the name Draconnier.
That said, I believe I’m done. Reply but you won’t be getting a response from me.
It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
37 pages and people, somehow, still side on Anet’s side with this.
Screw it, let’s name the Thief spec Dragonstealer, the Engineer: Dragonbuilder and the Ele: Dragon Tempest.
Guess that’s a very interesting take on the thread. For me it shows how passionate people can be about a name, but I’m finding this thread just going around in circles now.
Now I actually have developed a real like for “Dragonhunter” after more was revealed about the concept. Other just dislike it, but now if you tried to say why you like “Dragonhunter”or even if you don’t like it but can see how it can fit into the world of Tyria your suddenly totally wrong and have no idea.
With the way this thread has developed other then posting once in a while to say yes those that like it or can see the concept (but don’t like the name) have a voice why would we. This thread has become very unwelcoming if you like the name or can see the concept.
Lastly some of the specialization concepts some people have brought up have be very interesting and I could see myself wanting to play some of them but to finish up:
I’m finding this thread just going around in circles
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The story could also make a Waffleslinger spec make sense.
And you were worried I mislabled you as immature?
It’s also not healthy to ignore what you don’t know or understand. It’s best to consider the possibility that you’re ignorant or wrong which is the basis for when I suggest the name Draconnier.
That said, I believe I’m done. Reply but you won’t be getting a response from me.
Ignoring people is mature though.
And Draconnier does not address any but one problem people had with the name. Also did you ever consider that YOU could be wrong? We assume no coming story, because if we knew for sure, one side of the discussion would instantly lose and it would not be an argument anymore.
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It does not help that both sides of the debate are just spurring the circular direction of the thread instead of attempting to move the discussion forward towards more productive venues.
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Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline. For all we know, it’s something coming, or not. Doesn’t matter. It fits if people allow themselves to consider that historical myths/legends are valid sources for content for fantasy MMO’s. I actually don’t see how a person couldn’t allow that … unless it’s for a self-serving purpose.
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It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
Knightly archetypes going against dragons are all well and good. But is the Warrior not a knight as well? Then it makes perfect sense for him to be a DH as well. Then that means that the spec doesn’t even have a unique requirment to it like the others do.
It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
Any fantasy setting means nothing. Understand this for once. It doesn’t matter what other works do, this is Guild Wars 2. I don’t care that knights in other mythologies fight dragons, you know what else does? Mages, but that’s besides the point.
There is NOTHING in the GW universe that can link Guardians to dragons, unless that specific Guardian happened to be Sylvari since they’re minions to Mordremoth.
Naming it Dragonhunter makes no sense, that’s simply the truth.
“Would you kindly?”
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Warrior did as well. Is that now basis for Warrior’s Dragonslayer spec?
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
“Would you kindly?”
It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
Knightly archetypes going against dragons are all well and good. But is the Warrior not a knight as well?
I would say it’s not as knightly as a Guardian is.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
Knightly archetypes going against dragons are all well and good. But is the Warrior not a knight as well?
I would say it’s not as knightly as a Guardian is.
Not as knightly, but still, a Knight. Kinda funny how your own argument is working against you now.
“Would you kindly?”
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
“Would you kindly?”
It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
Knightly archetypes going against dragons are all well and good. But is the Warrior not a knight as well?
I would say it’s not as knightly as a Guardian is.
Why not? I would say they are even more knightly, since knights don’t use magic.
Why are people arguing with Obtena?
Because trolls are like click-bait articles. You know it’s silly, but you can’t resist.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
hmm, very common and well-associated huh? Can you please tell me where 1. only Knights fight/hunt dragons, 2. Where do they use traps and bows and 3. where are they associated with “big game hunters”.
Like i said, you have no arguments anymore and modifying one just to continue is pointless.
“Would you kindly?”
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
Knightly archetypes going against dragons are all well and good. But is the Warrior not a knight as well?
I would say it’s not as knightly as a Guardian is.
Why not? I would say they are even more knightly, since knights don’t use magic.
I associate Guardians with knights because of their similar links to valour, virtue, honour, etc… Warriors don’t have those elements. The magic thing is just Anet’s variation on the theme. That’s not unreasonable.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
I don’t get your point here. Feel free to tell me again why Guardians have absolutely nothing to do with dragons again even though it’s a very commonly associated theme in fantasy settings?
It could, but it doesn’t. You might think the explanation is weak but it’s plausible. To say there is no connection between knightly types and dragons just shows people lack exposure to historical legends/myths, etc… things commonly touched upon by any fantasy setting.
Knightly archetypes going against dragons are all well and good. But is the Warrior not a knight as well?
I would say it’s not as knightly as a Guardian is.
Why not? I would say they are even more knightly, since knights don’t use magic.
I associate Guardians with knights because of their similar links to valour, virtue, honour, etc… Warriors don’t have those elements. The magic thing is just Anet’s variation on the theme. That’s not unreasonable.
It’s a name of the trait line. Does that mean that I will not be able to use traps if I spec into honour? You know, since traps are not knightly and honourable.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
I don’t get your point here. Feel free to tell me again why Guardians have absolutely nothing to do with dragons again even though it’s a very commonly associated theme in fantasy settings?
Never asked for their association to generic fantasy setting. I asked for their association in GW.
Sure you can. Seems contradictory? Maybe. Then again, I don’t think Anet’s goal in the concept was to avoid pendantic arguments and I don’t think it’s a very intelligent argument leading to the conclusion that the name isn’t appropriate for the elite spec. Good try.
Arrk, give it up. It’s impossible to convince someone so blind to reason.
“Would you kindly?”
So we should follow the themes until they don’t suit the purpose and then disregard them completely?
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
I don’t get your point here. Feel free to tell me again why Guardians have absolutely nothing to do with dragons again even though it’s a very commonly associated theme in fantasy settings?
Never asked for their association to generic fantasy setting. I asked for their association in GW.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Anet is considering your individual needs when developing the game. Anet is obviously borrowing heavily from a generic fantasy setting. If that doesn’t appeal to you, you’re wasting your time.
Arrk, give it up. It’s impossible to convince someone so blind to reason.
Oh I know, this is a Sisyphus task. I just enjoy it.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
I don’t get your point here. Feel free to tell me again why Guardians have absolutely nothing to do with dragons again even though it’s a very commonly associated theme in fantasy settings?
Never asked for their association to generic fantasy setting. I asked for their association in GW.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Anet is considering your individual needs when developing the game. Anet is obviously borrowing heavily from a generic fantasy setting. If that doesn’t appeal to you, you’re wasting your time.
I didn’t ask it from ANet. I asked it from you when you stated that DH makes perfect sense in story of GW.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
I don’t get your point here. Feel free to tell me again why Guardians have absolutely nothing to do with dragons again even though it’s a very commonly associated theme in fantasy settings?
Never asked for their association to generic fantasy setting. I asked for their association in GW.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Anet is considering your individual needs when developing the game. Anet is obviously borrowing heavily from a generic fantasy setting. If that doesn’t appeal to you, you’re wasting your time.
:) I keep forgetting that Anet is borrowing from the great story of the bow and trap-using Knight that fought dragons.
Good job at that. and good job at trying to sound tougher.
“Would you kindly?”
So we should follow the themes until they don’t suit the purpose and then disregard them completely?
Perhaps that’s your opinion that the theme doesn’t suit the purpose. Perhaps you don’t understand what the purpose actually is.
I’m not against good ideas for new names but it’s rather dumb for people to say that an obviously knightly character has zero association to dragons just to be sensational and give the illusion that the name is worse than it is.
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
I don’t get your point here. Feel free to tell me again why Guardians have absolutely nothing to do with dragons again even though it’s a very commonly associated theme in fantasy settings?
Never asked for their association to generic fantasy setting. I asked for their association in GW.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Anet is considering your individual needs when developing the game. Anet is obviously borrowing heavily from a generic fantasy setting. If that doesn’t appeal to you, you’re wasting your time.
I didn’t ask it from ANet. I asked it from you when you stated that DH makes perfect sense in story of GW.
I already explained it. Knights have an established association with dragons. It’s not unreasonable to borrow on this theme for GW2 and attach it to the knightly character.
I get you hate the name but it but at least be less obtuse about it. You’re aware of Sisyphus but you can’t bring yourself to make the connection I’ve made reference to about dragons/knights and how that is relevant to the DH theme? Bad trolling man.
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So we should follow the themes until they don’t suit the purpose and then disregard them completely?
Perhaps that’s your opinion that the theme doesn’t suit the purpose. Perhaps you don’t understand what the purpose actually is.
I’m not against good ideas for new names but it’s rather dumb for people to say that an obviously knightly character has zero association to dragons just to be sensational and give the illusion that the name is worse than it is.
And let’s also address the fact that not all knightly characters hunted dragons, or the fact that they didn’t use bows or traps.
I’m guessing you will now say that is irrelevant because “well you don’t have to use those”
Where did you see knights slaying dragons in GW?
That’s a very obtuse statement. Where do I see knights? Guardian is obviously closely related to a knight archetype. my Guardian killed a dragon in the storyline.
My Thief did, my Mesmer did, my Warrior did and my Necromancer did.
Is there any real info you can give to prove me or anyone else who realizes Dragonhunter is a ridiculous name for a Guardian spec?
Other than hundreds or thousands of years of established legends/myths that fantasy MMO’s commonly pull their content from, I guess not ><.
MMOs BASE their content of that, they do not follow it to the letter.
Please, just give up, you have 0 arguments against this.
I didn’t say they follow it to the letter. In fact, I already mentioned it doesn’t. Anet is just making a variation on a legendary theme that’s actually very common and well-associated.
Which theme? The Dragon fighting knight, the big game hunter or the witch hunter?
I don’t get your point here. Feel free to tell me again why Guardians have absolutely nothing to do with dragons again even though it’s a very commonly associated theme in fantasy settings?
Never asked for their association to generic fantasy setting. I asked for their association in GW.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Anet is considering your individual needs when developing the game. Anet is obviously borrowing heavily from a generic fantasy setting. If that doesn’t appeal to you, you’re wasting your time.
I didn’t ask it from ANet. I asked it from you when you stated that DH makes perfect sense in story of GW.
I already explained it. Knights have an established association with dragons. It’s not unreasonable to borrow on this theme for GW2 and attach it to the knightly character.
I get you hate the name but it but at least be less obtuse about it.
No no no, I specifically, way back in page 20 something asked for established in-GW lore connections. The implied, borrowed stuff doesn’t work.
I will stop being so literal in my arguments when you do.
Can’t answer you unfortunately, I’m not aware of GW lore. As far as I know, there is Dragons and knightly characters there as well so I don’t see any inconsistency if that’s the case.
But none of the knights did any hunting.
The problem most people have with DH is the connection between it and the core Guardian class.
The connection between the archetypical knight and slaying dragons is there. But then there is no connection between knights and game hunting. There is a really tenuous connection between knights and witch hunting, but that’s stretching it. But people are asking for connection between Guardian and Dragons. Not between the archetypical knight and the dragons.
There is NOTHING in the GW universe that can link Guardians to dragons, unless that specific Guardian happened to be Sylvari since they’re minions to Mordremoth.
Naming it Dragonhunter makes no sense, that’s simply the truth.
For the ones that don’t like the name, but Guardian’s traits are listed as Zeal, Radiance, Valour, Honour & Virtue as well as:
Guardians are devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues. True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory. (Guardian description on GW2 website)
Dragons are the greatest threat in Tyria, the perceived evil. What could happen when you take:
- Devoted Fighters
- Smite their Enemies
- Selfless
- Know when to Sacrifice
- And there traits; Zeal, Radiance, Valour, Honour & Virtue
Through their Selflessness & Devotion to protect could they Sacrifice through their Zealousness part of their core principles to Smite their Enemies, becoming over zealous in their devotion to protect Tyria & her people from the Elder Dragons.
If you take “Dragonhunters” as a group of Fanatics with the overall goal of the extermination of Elder Dragons & their corruption, which other Professions could develop into the core principles that seem to be Arenanet’s idea behind what “Dragonhunters” are:
- Guardian
- Warrior
- Ranger
And I would say yes to these three. Anyone one of these Professions I could see being developed into a Dragonhunter. But the other side of the coin is gameplay, what weapon, what healing, utility, elite skills would it bring. What do existing Professions already have, what gameplay could be added.
Looking at Lore & a differentiating Gameplay Arenenet best felt Guardians best fit the “Dragonhunter”, Rangers are getting “Druid” with a Staff & Warriors are “???”. For each not much more is known.
It’s not a stretch to consider that Guardians have the same relation between dragons that knights do. It’s simply obtuse for anyone who hasn’t lived under a rock to understand Anet isn’t attempting literal concepts of established mythology here. Getting hung up on the fact that knights don’t ‘hunt’ or use traps is really disingenuous position. We know very well as players of fantasy or even Space based MMO’s that the devs making the content around established themes and variations on them. That’s how much creative content is made for anything. Very little is truly unique.
The connection between knights and big game hunting is just an issue with labels but let’s be honest here, if the game is dragons, then what is the problem? Would it be so out of the question to consider dragons ‘big game’? Again, this is completely PLAUSIBLE.
Tenuous connection between knights and witch hunting? True, but then again, Anet simply wants that to be the flavour. They aren’t actually trying to literally emulate witch hunting to dragons.
I simply can’t get over how pedantic these arguments are. You play a fantasy MMO!!!! I mean, it doesn’t GET more fantasy than knightly characters being dragon slayers. It’s so ridiculous to argue otherwise.
Frankly, I’m all for a new name as DH is not inspiring and much to specific. Why do I argue with you? Based on the arguments I see people coming up with for why DH is bad, I think we run the risk of a worse name. DH actually starts looking pretty good. I would rather be stuck with something MEH than something even less inspiring and creative.
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This once useful thread has devolved into two trolls screaming at each other.
Anyway, I understand where Anet was coming from, having the Guardian’s sense of justice being perverted into blind vengeance, but “Dragonhunter” seems so uninspired, not to mention futile. This specialization is supposed to be equipped to hunt down the Elder Dragons? With a bow and a couple traps?! I don’t see that as very likely, unless Bear-traps are Jormag’s secret weakness. Now, if the DH got a large bonus towards fighting Dragons and their minions (or an Asuran mega-laser LOL), that would change this entire discussion; they would be able to do something the other classes MECHANICALLY are unable to. But as of now, they’re just a tanky ranger.
People have referenced the Engineer’s Hobosacks debacle. While Anet eventually caved on that issue, I really don’t think that they will for DH. The ONLY dev response we have received on this issue is an adamant and mildly insulting defense of the theme.
That being said, I can still hope. A name change would go a long way to mend what I (and others) see as what could be a flaw in the lore.
PS: Oh, and top 3 name changes would be to Paragon, Warden, and Vanquisher.
This once useful thread has devolved into two trolls screaming at each other.
Anyway, I understand where Anet was coming from, having the Guardian’s sense of justice being perverted into blind vengeance, but “Dragonhunter” seems so uninspired, not to mention futile. This specialization is supposed to be equipped to hunt down the Elder Dragons? With a bow and a couple traps?! I don’t see that as very likely, unless Bear-traps are Jormag’s secret weakness. Now, if the DH got a large bonus towards fighting Dragons and their minions (or an Asuran mega-laser LOL), that would change this entire discussion; they would be able to do something the other classes MECHANICALLY are unable to. But as of now, they’re just a tanky ranger.People have referenced the Engineer’s Hobosacks debacle. While Anet eventually caved on that issue, I really don’t think that they will for DH. The ONLY dev response we have received on this issue is an adamant and mildly insulting defense of the theme.
That being said, I can still hope. A name change would go a long way to mend what I (and others) see as what could be a flaw in the lore.
PS: Oh, and top 3 name changes would be to Paragon, Warden, and Vanquisher.
You didn’t read anything at all, did you. Anet never wanted to “have the Guardian’s sense of justice being perverted into blind vengeance” AT ALL, i have no idea where did you even get that.
They simply used their idea of a “big game hunter” and tried to make it fit the Guardian. That’s the problem of this whole thing.
“Would you kindly?”
Frankly, I’m all for a new name as DH is not inspiring and much to specific. Why do I argue with you? Based on the arguments I see people coming up with for why DH is bad, I think we run the risk of a worse name. DH actually starts looking pretty good. I would rather be stuck with something MEH than something even less inspiring and creative.
Then why isn’t that your number 1 argument in the first place? Instead you’ve been taking everyone around in circles when this is the heart of your argument.
I would like to see your ideas for a better name, or even your idea of what name would be worse than Dragonhunter. Instead of picking apart individuals with their contributions, try to be productive and share your suggestions. Much easier being the contrarian for the sake of it than it is to engage in the actual discussion. So let’s hear your ideas.
You didn’t read anything at all, did you. Anet never wanted to “have the Guardian’s sense of justice being perverted into blind vengeance” AT ALL, i have no idea where did you even get that.
They simply used their idea of a “big game hunter” and tried to make it fit the Guardian. That’s the problem of this whole thing.
Let me direct you towards:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Liked-the-ready-up-name-still-doesn-t-fit/5048195
To summarize, he states “the dragonhunter faction believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions.”
I believe it is you who needs to do more reading.