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HoT has changed gw2 community
Maybe you just do not understand the meaning of the word tier my friend.
if legendary were not above ascended as in a higher tier then we wouldn’t all go that extra mile for it now would we.
You go the extra mile because of the shiny skin. It does NOT have better stats. It’s not a different tier.
il not wast my time arguing with you. go find an English dictionary
The non rezzing behaviour may have been in WvW and PvP but not in PvE and the content we’re talking about here is PvE. The system has simply given people an excuse to not rez.
Expect it to become prevalent throughout the game now, followed by rewards based on damage done and that baloney.
Players pressed into a smaller space would increase rezzing not reduce it and we are not pressed at all. Many maps are basically empty.
Legendary armor is a new tier of armor made available with HoT.
Tiers of gear in MMOs are always by STATS. You don’t need that legendary armor. Ascended gear is the highest stat armor in the game. If you are an extreme min/max person ascended works just fine. Shiny skins and a convenience item does not make a new tier. And it’s not even that convenient considering you still need to switch out infusions and runes.
You go the extra mile because of the shiny skin.
Perhaps you do so, but others may not. Some even transmute over the skin because they consider legendaries, in general, to be unappealing of appearance.
yes its a new tier of armor and only a very silly misled person would think otherwise
and at 16.40 on this video the top guy at anet said that they would not be adding new tiers and starting a gear grind treadmill and invalidating all our hard work.
but here we are with hot and a new tier of legendary armor that most of us are locked out of.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxLkfXwxLTs only word that describes this is LIES.
yes its a new tier of armor and only a very silly misled person would think otherwise
and at 16.40 on this video the top guy at anet said that they would not be adding new tiers and starting a gear grind treadmill and invalidating all our hard work.
but here we are with hot and a new tier of legendary armor that most of us are locked out of.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxLkfXwxLTs only word that describes this is LIES.
How is your hard work invalidated?
You keep repeating the same thing. Doesn’t make it any more true. It’s not a new tier defined by how tiers of gear are in any MMO out there.
yes its a new tier of armor and only a very silly misled person would think otherwise
and at 16.40 on this video the top guy at anet said that they would not be adding new tiers and starting a gear grind treadmill and invalidating all our hard work.
but here we are with hot and a new tier of legendary armor that most of us are locked out of.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxLkfXwxLTs only word that describes this is LIES.How is your hard work invalidated?
It isn’t. The hilarious thing about this is that I think this guy said he has two sets of ascended. That’s technically BETTER than having a set of legendary gear because then you don’t have to worry about switching rune sets out constantly.
legendary is above ascended and i think i can safely say most people playing this game will agree on that.and in the long run its not what you or i think its what the majority of players/customers think.and i just dont think that they are happy since hot launched.
and at some point anet will pay the price for deceiving its customers.
You keep repeating the same thing. Doesn’t make it any more true. It’s not a new tier defined by how tiers of gear are in any MMO out there.
We are playing, and speaking of, GW2, not, “any MMO out there.”
GW2 was purposefully created, and advertised, to not be quite like every MMO on the market. Sure there are similarities, perhaps those similarities have grown over time, but the intention and design are still there.
Is the armor reward for raiding in every MMO out there statistically identical to armor earned in open world content?
You keep repeating the same thing. Doesn’t make it any more true. It’s not a new tier defined by how tiers of gear are in any MMO out there.
We are playing, and speaking of, GW2, not, “any MMO out there.”
GW2 was purposefully created, and advertised, to not be quite like every MMO on the market. Sure there are similarities, perhaps those similarities have grown over time, but the intention and design are still there.
Is the armor reward for raiding in every MMO out there statistically identical to armor earned in open world content?
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When Anet is talking about gear tiers and gear grind and gear treadmills (as you see in the videos) they are NOT talking about treadmills for pretty skins/convenience. They are talking about the traditional gear treadmill that you see in most MMOs. Hence why they make the statement that they don’t want to invalidate your hard work and that your gear which was best in slot today will still be best in slot tomorrow. They are talking about stats people. STATS.
at pax south we were told/promised no new tiers to invalidate all our/my hard work and money spent.hot added a new tier of legendary armor invalidating time and money i put into this game.Im not on these forums to convince anyone but anet that this is just WRONG AND DOWNRIGHT DISHONEST.And they can ban me but im going no were till they listen.
You keep repeating the same thing. Doesn’t make it any more true. It’s not a new tier defined by how tiers of gear are in any MMO out there.
We are playing, and speaking of, GW2, not, “any MMO out there.”
GW2 was purposefully created, and advertised, to not be quite like every MMO on the market. Sure there are similarities, perhaps those similarities have grown over time, but the intention and design are still there.
Is the armor reward for raiding in every MMO out there statistically identical to armor earned in open world content?
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When Anet is talking about gear tiers and gear grind and gear treadmills (as you see in the videos) they are NOT talking about treadmills for pretty skins/convenience. They are talking about the traditional gear treadmill that you see in most MMOs. Hence why they make the statement that they don’t want to invalidate your hard work and that your gear which was best in slot today will still be best in slot tomorrow. They are talking about stats people. STATS.
This does not address my point. Nor does it answer my question.
You used a variant of the, “other games do it this way,” argument. I pointed out that Anet has specifically tried to not do everything the way other games do.
So, does every other mmo have endgame raid reward armor statistically identical to gear obtainable through open world content?
Or has Anet demonstrated, through legendary armor implementation, that they are purposefully not treating endgame armor gain the same as other games?
And, since it is a demonstrable fact that Anet is treating endgame armor differently than other games, it is not irrelevant how such armor tiers are handled in those other games.
I mentioned that it’s the MMO standard for definitions of tiers of gear because that is the definiton Anet is using themselves. So people shouldn’t be shocked and accuse them of lying. They have still stuck to exactly what they said (so far…if they actually add a new tier of gear with better stats then obviously they will be breaking their word). You can bring up how they are special snowflakes in numerous regards but that doesn’t change the fact that they themselves use this particular term in this particular manner.
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No grind =64,486,000xp for mastery’s
no new tiers = new legendary tier armor.
ANET SURE KNOW HOW TO KEEP THERE CUSTOMERS HAPPY.
they could admit they got it all very wrong and apologize and promise to live up to the promises.but no they hide and say nothing.and we all come to the forums every day complaining and arguing among our self.
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So what about the best in slot promise made within mins of the no new tiers promise.
i take it in your anet suck up deluded mind that legendary is not best in slot gear ether.
absurd.
You are the one ignoring the fact that there is no stat difference and that is what makes a kitten tier a tier. That is what creates a gear treadmill to begin with. NONE of your current work has been invalidated. This is especially true in your case where you admitted your warr has TWO sets of ascended gear, which is even more convenient then having legendary because you don’t have to worry about rune swaps. You want a shiny new skin, well you need to do the content that rewards it.
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I payed £3000 +3.5k hrs in to this game to have best in slot gear.now not only did they break a promise made at pax south not to do this,but they lock me out of ever having a chance to get that gear.I am here with a valid argument because this is were support send you when they cant answer your questions.Now if some one whos maybe put in the time and the money i have into this game sees it different fine. Im here to get anets attention,not to convince people that would eat kitten if told its chocolate.
You want legendary, you need to earn it. That’s the way legendary should be. It’s a prestige item.
so why did they take my £3000. because im old and disabled and had to pay for prestige now they took it away and kept my money.this old blind arthritic guy dont hand over £3000 and 3k hrs then bend over and say thanks.
You think just because you throw money at a game you deserve everything in it? This isn’t a Chinese MMO. You do have to earn certain things.
ye £3000 sure should pay for something.and it sure as hell did pre hot.
but since the 180 on the pax south best in slot promise looks like i made a bad investment.Hey anet hows about you give me back my £3000 and il go play one of them Chinese mmo and you delete my account.
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Wow just wow. Good thing most western gamers disagree with this attitude. Otherwise p2w would rule here like it does in China. Thank god that will never be the case here.
na your confusing pay to skin with pay to win as you well know.this games a fashion show and always has been.people pay to look good.you cant buy stat advantage in this game.
your argument is null and void.
You are the one that said that you think you should get high prestige items because you throw money at the game. The whole point of a prestige item is that you cannot get it easily and that it is rewarded for work. Getting around that with money would destroy the whole idea behind it. Even Anet admitted allowing old legendaries and precursors to be boe was a huge mistake and they said they will rectify this with all future legendaries. They will not be boe ever again.
Just because you chose to sink tons of money into this game does not mean you deserve everything in the game. Certain rewards require you complete certain content. If you want the new legendary back piece you need to do pvp. If you want that teq weapon you need to do tequatl. If you want the new legendary armors you need to raid. Now who knows, maybe they will come up with a legendary armor collection that does not require raiding. But if they do it won’t be the same as the one the raiders get, it would probably have a different skin. For now though, if you want that armor you need to get your kitten in raids.
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Back on track with the main topic, I have to disagree with you OP, as some who has map completed the 4 zones on 3 characters pretty much solo… I don’t see where the difficulty is coming from? I can honestly say 90% of the new hero points can be soloed in a few tries with the right setup. Tangled depths has maybe 2 that u need to duo… you don’t need anywhere near 15-20 players… most of the Champs are quite easy to solo if you can break their breaker bar. The guano incubated eggs with spider champion is among the easiest to solo…,
That aside I will say I agree the community has changed for the worse…. no one wants to step up to a little challenge or change their builds to be viable to literally face roll the jungle… everyone seems to want everything to be way easier then it already is… but the problem with that is people are soloing the same content that you are claiming need 15 ppl to do. It’s getting toxic and absurd how much people are QQing about the very content they demanded not but 1 year ago… people were begging for more challenging content and 10 man raids…. we got it and everyone is now up in arms they want it removed… MAKE UP YOUR MINDS
Just as a side note,i play only one warrior and after getting him best in slot gear iv spent a lot of gold helping other players,I bought a guy dusk today on the tp just cos i had plenty gold and he had all the gifts.Im not in this game just for me.I have said it before on these forums im severely disabled and played this game to feel normal.i spent money on it and now im angry as i feel anet have lied and cheeted me.
£3000. Rofl. Just Rofl.
And what does disability have to do with anything?
Keepin’ it real or makin’ it up?
Im not going to be posting medical certs but anet can check my account history and confirm the rest of the post you call lies.
But all ANET did was give the players what they were asking for. Look through the old forums posts…
people asked for raids or harder 10 man dungeons,
people were asking for challenging content that wasn’t as face roll easy as old tyria maps (which the new content is only a little harder ie more punishing for not paying attention to mobs abilities or surroundings)
people asked for new wvw maps and new mechanics to go with them
People asked for pvp leader boards and tournaments / leagues.
They asked for new ways to play there classes…..
So I’m not sure how ANET lied… or didn’t deliver every single thing these forums were begging for since 2013. ANET originally stated they would never do expansions in a interview and the forums exploded saying GW2 was more than worthy for expansion like the orginal guildwars… I mean what did yall want if not everything you asked for and they delivered….
And eldrin as far as you feeling gated from content (legendary armor tied to raids) due to medical issues (I am aware of the issues you are mentioning, from your other posts) you are still more then able to aquire said gear… if your guilds won’t take due to your limitations you can always pug raids to get practice to get better to run with your guilds, or even beat it with pugs, if are 100% unable to overcome the challenge raids are giving you (ie can’t get mechanics down due to personal reasons) wait a bit and Guilds will sell raid boss kills…. I have 100% zero doubt that will be happening soon, it’s just like Arah at launch…. organized groups could barely get thorough it in a timely manner, now 1 guy can solo it and sell 4 spots to ppl who have trouble with it. Same will happen with raids where really good guilds will sell raid spots for gold.
So they hardly lied to you or are keeping content from you.
So what about the best in slot promise made within mins of the no new tiers promise. i take it in your anet suck up deluded mind that legendary is not best in slot gear ether. absurd.
Of course it’s best in slot. So is Ascended. The Defense ratings and the stats are the same.
Today. However Legendary is promised to be the best tier tomorrow, while ascended isn’t.
And in case you don’t know, Gear Tier is a term specific to MMO’s. It specifically means sets of gear with higher stats than the older sets.
Yes …in other MMOs. In gw2, Legendary is a higher tier than ascended, even if the stats are currently the same.
When ANet promised no new gear tier, they meant no new gear with higher stats, not no Legendary items valued for their skins. They also said no level cap increase, which has the same effect — making one’s current stats obsolete.
Agreed. Additionally, Anet actually never promised anything like that for the whole future of the game – just for their closest expansion (HoT). Technically Raids were introduced after HoT, so they wouldn’t be bound by this promise anyway.
Still, gating a whole gear tier beyond a content designed for a small minority was a really bad decision.
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
Remember, remember, 15th of November
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No one resses me while in down state nor do they ress if I am dead so I don’t ress no one now either. You just gotta accept that HoT and the F2P model has made this into a toxic community where you do not help strangers EVER; this is just how anet wants the game to be I guess. It’s sad though, this used to be best MMO community ever but not no more thanks to HoT.
So what about the best in slot promise made within mins of the no new tiers promise. i take it in your anet suck up deluded mind that legendary is not best in slot gear ether. absurd.
Of course it’s best in slot. So is Ascended. The Defense ratings and the stats are the same.
Today. However Legendary is promised to be the best tier tomorrow, while ascended isn’t.
Actually they outright said that ascended was the final tier and that there would be no tier higher. So that’s promised as well. Now whether you believe they will stick to that is another story….
The community has changed because Anet has split it apart with HoT.
The 4 Maps shipped with HoT are just a constant grind. “want this? Grind that.” “oh you want this? Grind that!” once you’ve done the story, it literally boils down to grinding the same events over and over again in the same 4 maps in the same way because they’re linked in such a way that an idiot can’t get lost.
Combine it with arguably the most poorly designed WvW map, on top of the most broken meta the games ever had in GW2 since launch in PvP, and it’s no wonder people are getting frustrated and taking out their anger on their fellow players.
Anet’s entire mindset with the game has changed since launch, and not for the better, you can look at every decision they’ve made so far and you can literally go “Yeah that was done to boost gem sales.”
Previously it seemed like they actually cared about the game and it’s community and promoted healthy play, but now, they just keep pushing kitten into the gem store, give us stupid “roadmaps for the years ahead” (4 major balance patches a YEAR when they want this game to be esports as an example) they want to gravitate away from the “zerk meta” yet they wholy promote it in raids with the incredibly strict enrage timers.
And in response to the “ascended was promised as the final tier” it is.
Legendary armor isn’t going to have more stats over Ascended. Ascended is still the final tier as far as stats are concerned.
When you compare other games expansions to what was contained in the base game, you have to look at HoT and assume that you’ve payed what you would for an expansion, for something that’s on DLC levels.
Seriously, compare the amount of content in HoT to any other MMO’s expansion pack, it’s drastically less content.
Hell, look at EQ2, that games mostly dead yet it still manages to churn out more content in it’s expansion packs than HoT did.
Warrior 80 | Guardian 80 | Ranger 80 | Engineer 80 |
Thief 80 | Elementalist 80 | Mesmer 80 | Necromancer 80 | Revenant TBA
Thief 80 | Elementalist 80 | Mesmer 80 | Necromancer 80 | Revenant TBA
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Someone ignored me asking for a rez as I laid dead next to the raid entrance.
Sad times, sad…
xD
I hate rezzing people in the jungle and going down as they get up…. Then just watch em run off to a safe spot and waypoint while I bleed out lol.
Aww please tell me that didnt actually happen? That’s pretty low…like who does that? lol
It was a Ranger I found trying to solo the NE Auric Basin HP with the frog and vets everywhere…
I mostly play for the new Free-For-All arena in PvP lobby.
….. And Elementalist.
….. And Elementalist.
Free To Play is what did it for me. I do not play FTP games because of the scum that play them. GW2 gave away what I paid for invalidating every hope I had for the company. I never play FTP games as their players are the lowest common denominator in gaming. Some of these players bought the game (that’s them running past you in downstate after you rezzed them).
Buy To Play Guild Wars 2 2012-2015 – RIP
Unlucky since launch, RNG isn’t random
PugLife SoloQ
Unlucky since launch, RNG isn’t random
PugLife SoloQ
For some folks above talking about gear tiers etc, i’d appreciate if u stick to the topic and not try to hijack this thread. If u wish to debate gear then create ur own thread plz.
But all ANET did was give the players what they were asking for. Look through the old forums posts…
people asked for raids or harder 10 man dungeons,
people were asking for challenging content that wasn’t as face roll easy as old tyria maps (which the new content is only a little harder ie more punishing for not paying attention to mobs abilities or surroundings)
people asked for new wvw maps and new mechanics to go with them
People asked for pvp leader boards and tournaments / leagues.
They asked for new ways to play there classes…..
So I’m not sure how ANET lied… or didn’t deliver every single thing these forums were begging for since 2013. ANET originally stated they would never do expansions in a interview and the forums exploded saying GW2 was more than worthy for expansion like the orginal guildwars… I mean what did yall want if not everything you asked for and they delivered….
a very loud minority asked for those things, i just wanted more ordinary content
when the next quarterly comes up, we will see , how small that minority was
this IS end game content, it has ended this game for many of us
This doesn’t address the problem with communities and the other problematic HPs, but the HP in question can be gotten to without leyline gliding and without spiders. Go there before the meta event completes and follow this video:
I want to thank you for liking that video, i got it! thank god. However, it was still impossible for me to jump to the ledge from the root, due to my high ping rate i guess the kite kept failing b4 i could reach it, so i used experimental rifle jump shot, which also didn’t work initially but eventually it did and i got it! thank you, thank you.
You want legendary, you need to earn it. That’s the way legendary should be. It’s a prestige item.
Yes, because all legendary weapons out right now have been earned on an epic quest, and not on the TP or by simply falling over them after a valuable pre dropped from a random mob, or because people cashed in to buy their chosen legendary. Right? No? Strange enough.
The claim that an earned good is much better than a bought good is also nonsense if they have the same quality.
Pro Sports for example could not exist if people who are not good at sports would pay to see people who are good at sports play it and take them in with their performance for the feeling that they are part of the team with their financial and mental support. Imagine Christiano Ronaldo or Kobe Bryant saying that everyone who is unable to win the soccer or basketball championship is a scrub and should work harder at their skills. To further this idea, the next chamionship willl be held on the K7 and people have to climb it to watch it.
Luckily, this will never happen. Both will instead thank their fans for their support and advise the kids to stay helathy and play the game for fun, not for success.
Why are we surprised that they wanted to kill their own game?
Right, greed. Greed changes everything.
A complaint about Heart of Thorns is just an element of the overall gaming experience for this or that person. There are small complaints we don’t need to be immediately concerned with, “Like the size of a fireball,” and there are immediate concerns that will linger, “Whether or not those of us having a hard time with the raids will remain part of the game’s objective consumer demographic.”
The wider issue here is geometric. If your character is the center of your universe in Guild Wars 2 (rationally it must be) then your character being gated from content that would progress that character it must be understood the game’s design has removed you from playing further.
This can have to do with anything. Legendary Armor, Masteries gated behind hours and hours of painfully bad story writing and the achievements to get them, grouping with others who may not have the time to group with you, not having the hours to play as the game demands, and paying for something that someone else doesn’t and won’t have to (the base game).
Heart of Thorns fundamentally changed Guild Wars 2 from game into ‘content ride’ and then grind until the next time Anet/NcSoft feels pressured to make something.
You want legendary, you need to earn it. That’s the way legendary should be. It’s a prestige item.
Yes, because all legendary weapons out right now have been earned on an epic quest, and not on the TP or by simply falling over them after a valuable pre dropped from a random mob, or because people cashed in to buy their chosen legendary. Right? No? Strange enough.
And Anet said that was a MISTAKE. Which if you notice they have since rectified by making all future legendaries account bound and not for sale on the tp.
And your analogy is off. It’s more like here is the world cup…..oh but you don’t have to actually play to win it. You can pay money and have it just handed to you! But oh that’s the same value as playing the game and earning it. Yup. Same thing. /s
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You can buy an exact copy of the world championship trophy. It has the same value and function(standing around) as the original, it just lacks the prestige of the original. You supported the sports federation of your team to buy it and without your support, your team would have to find other jobs.
So you can rightfully say that you own an exact copy of the championship with all the accompanying functions, but have not won it by playing the sport. What is lacking here are history books that show who has actually won it and who has only bought it, nothing else. If that is enough for someone, why deny it to him? It is neither unfair because it is his gold or money he spent, nor unfair because someone invested time instead of money as that is everyone´s choice.
So you are saying you support p2w basically. Because people should be allowed to spend their money as they will and get whatever they want? And we shouldn’t care that it takes away from the prestige of the items in question. There are no history books or record books in mmos. The only way to distinguish people who have actually done the work from not is with the actual item. So yes, making that prestige item buyable with money degrades it. Again, thank god western gamers reject this type of thinking.
I am not exactly supporting P2W in the way you describe it. But I despise the alternative, casual but veteran players getting excluded from content, even more.
My suggestion would have been a red item for the raiders and a blue item for the non raiders. So everyone could see that the red item belongs to a content completer and the second to a buyer or grinder. Everyone would be happy.