Guild Wars 2

Nuzt.7894:

Xar.1387 is really reaching now, “they said you will need the core game, they never said you need to purchase it”.

Why don’t you go into a store the next time they announce something new is available and try and walk out with it, then explain that they never advertised that you need to pay for it as they escort you to the backroom, let us know how that goes for you.

He has the HoT blindfold on, he truly is the first Revenant.

Xar.1387:

mysteriouz.9410:

“Oh, you paid 40$ for the core game? Sorry, you’ll have to pay for that same game again to get the expansion, while new players can get the core game+ HoT for the same price! Old players: 40+50=90 $$$ New players: 0+50=50 $$$???? profit

A fool and his money are soon parted.

They announced HoT months ago, so u should be rdy for something like that.

Nice.

AWACS.6537:

Nuzt.7894:

Xar.1387 is really reaching now, “they said you will need the core game, they never said you need to purchase it”.

Why don’t you go into a store the next time they announce something new is available and try and walk out with it, then explain that they never advertised that you need to pay for it as they escort you to the backroom, let us know how that goes for you.

He has the HoT blindfold on, he truly is the first Revenant.

LOL. So true. I’m googling for his picture and I think I just saw it. It’s that Charr!!!

If core copy is of no value then give it for free or let us purchase it for the “some symbolic amount of money, but nothing more” I could sure use some account for laurel farming i think maybe tons of gold farmer would appreciate it as well.

AWACS.6537:

Nuzt.7894:

Xar.1387 is really reaching now, “they said you will need the core game, they never said you need to purchase it”.

Why don’t you go into a store the next time they announce something new is available and try and walk out with it, then explain that they never advertised that you need to pay for it as they escort you to the backroom, let us know how that goes for you.

He has the HoT blindfold on, he truly is the first Revenant.

Btw, I dont see anything exciting about this new class – Revenant.
The only things I am waiting for are Stronghold and Guild Halls.

Xar.1387:

AWACS.6537:

Nuzt.7894:

Xar.1387 is really reaching now, “they said you will need the core game, they never said you need to purchase it”.

Why don’t you go into a store the next time they announce something new is available and try and walk out with it, then explain that they never advertised that you need to pay for it as they escort you to the backroom, let us know how that goes for you.

He has the HoT blindfold on, he truly is the first Revenant.

Btw, I dont see anything exciting about this new class – Revenant.
The only things Im waiting for are Stronghold and Guild Halls.

Of COURSE you don’t see anything, you’re blindfolded.

AWACS.6537:

Xar.1387:

AWACS.6537:

Nuzt.7894:

Xar.1387 is really reaching now, “they said you will need the core game, they never said you need to purchase it”.

Why don’t you go into a store the next time they announce something new is available and try and walk out with it, then explain that they never advertised that you need to pay for it as they escort you to the backroom, let us know how that goes for you.

He has the HoT blindfold on, he truly is the first Revenant.

Btw, I dont see anything exciting about this new class – Revenant.
The only things Im waiting for are Stronghold and Guild Halls.

Of COURSE you don’t see anything, you’re blindfolded.

Like a revenant ?
;p

‘- ’ k then, u’ve got me guys.
I’m Revenant ’ -’

Xar.1387:

IMO the only stupidity is to buy a basic game, when u already know that expansion is coming out. It was obvious that they’ll announce some 2 in 1 stuff, or something like that. Anyway, I was writing about it months ago… ’ -’

People goes zomie… The end of humanity. Its really worrying what’s going on with today’s ppls. They’re unable to think.

Anet themselves said that HoT would require the base game and conveniently offered sales throughout the last few months.

Are you implying those people are stupid for trusting that Anet would not lie to get some dirty last minute sales? Perhaps you are right.

These sales was cool, cause people was able to buy it cheap, and play a game before HoT comes out. Lvl some characters and stuff like that, to be rdy for HoT. But alot of them probably knew that basic game will be much cheaper or even Anet will giveaway it with HoT. What Anet already did. But if some1 did not expect this then… he’s not smart for sure. Sorry.

littlebabyprincess.9786:

How much did Anet paid you for this message? Explain why existing players are denied a chance to create a revenant without paying another $10 more. I am not even factoring the free game.

He is a dev alt account

Xar.1387:

These sales was cool, cause people was able to buy it cheap, and play a game before HoT comes out. Lvl some characters and stuff like that, to be rdy for HoT. But alot of them probable knew that basic game will be much cheaper or even Anet will giveaway it with HoT. What Anet already did. But if some1 did not expect this then… he’s not smart for sure. Sorry.

That makes zero sense if you already had the game before it was announced, and it doesn’t help with the fact that they would ALREADY own the game.

What are you even reaching for?

Xar.1387:

These sales was cool, cause people was able to buy it cheap, and play a game before HoT comes out. Lvl some characters and stuff like that, to be rdy for HoT. But alot of them probably knew that basic game will be much cheaper or even Anet will giveaway it with HoT. What Anet already did. But if some1 did not expect this then… he’s not smart for sure. Sorry.

They specifically said HoT will not be a standalone game, it will be an expansion that will require the base game. You are defending a lie, and you are blaming those that fell for it, instead of the company that greedily made it up.

Xar.1387:

When HoT is coming, then older version of GW2 is no longer worth anything – maybe some symbolic amount of money, but nothing more.

Its fine that Anet dont force new people to pay for it, cause they’re not able to play this version of GW2 (as we played it) anymore. This is the past.

We was able to lvling our characters, discover all the world, play pvp (ranked, unranked, tournaments, esl etc), wvw seasons, and do all this cool stuff for all this time, while new players wasnt able to do it.

We used what we paid for. We received many hours of fun, and new players, which can buy HoT + GW2 cant back to these days. They’re going to start a new adventure, witch a brand new accounts, while we’ve got accounts with lvled characters, pvp skills, cool titles, minies, etc etc…

Think of it this way

So that very real $50+ I payed for is just “symbolic” now? Oooh, so mystical…
No. You don’t get to tell people that their money is worthless.
We pay $50 for the base game + $50 for HoT = $100
Newcomers only pay $50 for the same content. All of the things you mentioned can be obtained with the base game.

“lvled characters” – Anyone can get to 80 in a day.
“pvp skills” – What? In SPvP everyone has all their skills. If you mean WvW points, those are obtainable by anyone.
“cool titles” – Anyone can get those, and they don’t take long.
“minies” – See above.
“etc etc…” – Placeholder for "I can’t think of anything else.

None of that has any monetary value.
You know what? The way you worded your post sounds very SJW-ish. Did you come from tumblr by chance?

RabbitUp.8294:

Xar.1387:

These sales was cool, cause people was able to buy it cheap, and play a game before HoT comes out. Lvl some characters and stuff like that, to be rdy for HoT. But alot of them probably knew that basic game will be much cheaper or even Anet will giveaway it with HoT. What Anet already did. But if some1 did not expect this then… he’s not smart for sure. Sorry.

They specifically said HoT will not be a standalone game, it will be an expansion that will require the base game. You are defending a lie, and you are blaming those that fell for it, instead of the company that greedily made it up.

Well, it’s essentially a standalone now, which makes it even more pathetic.

The price of a GW1 standalone but without the 2 professions, character slot, and entire continent that bought us, with less content than that of EotN (which was an appropriately priced expansion), and about as much content as a DCUO DLC ( Each one offers a new zone, and the Revenant is essentially just a skillset like DCUO powersets). DCUO is also a F2P game with the same kind of cosmetic microtransactions GW2 has, except you don’t need to purchase the game first.

So the “Oh but GW2 is FREE (it’s not) and has FREE UPDATES. (yeah, to the gem store. DCUO also has free content updates)” argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on.

Yeah, no matter what, you aren’t getting your money’s worth.

As i wrote:
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Same way u can go to the steam, and buy there some games before holidays sale.
And then complaing about that u paid few times more than others.

Life Deal with it.

Xar.1387:

As i wrote:
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Same way u can go to the steam, and buy there some games before holidays sale.
And then complaing about that u paid few times more than others.

Life

Wow, I guess we’re all fools for buying GW2. Especially you.

littlebabyprincess.9786:

How much did Anet paid you for this message? Explain why existing players are denied a chance to create a revenant without paying another $10 more. I am not even factoring the free game.

Because it costs money to develop the revenant? Explain to me why paying for the core game entitles you to free content in perpetuity?

You know… the all the real HUMANS who work for the company have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Di Nguyen.5968:

littlebabyprincess.9786:

How much did Anet paid you for this message? Explain why existing players are denied a chance to create a revenant without paying another $10 more. I am not even factoring the free game.

Because it costs money to develop the revenant? Explain to me why paying for the core game entitles you to free content in perpetuity?

You know… the all the real HUMANS who work for the company have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Do you have any idea how much money the gem store rakes in? Of course you don’t.

Seems to me you’ve never played GW1. We got what we payed for there.
It also seems like you’ve never heard of any other F2P MMOs out there. Since most of them don’t even require you to buy the base game, yet still offer content updates.
You really don’t even have an argument.

Xar.1387:

As i wrote:
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Same way u can go to the steam, and buy there some games before holidays sale.
And then complaing about that u paid few times more than others.

Life Deal with it.

Seeing as how you were presumably parted from your money by buying this expansion, you are one to talk.

On the other hand, the new players that got GW2 during the $10 sales were specifically told to do so. http://web.archive.org/web/20150401200009/https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ

Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes. Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand-alone campaign, and therefore it requires the base game to play.

So, you are honestly trying to support that a corrupt-to-the bone company that directly lies to get more sales is above criticism, and these players should just “deal with it”?

Xar.1387:

When HoT is coming, then older version of GW2 is no longer worth anything – maybe some symbolic amount of money, but nothing more.

Its fine that Anet dont force new people to pay for it, cause they’re not able to play this version of GW2 (as we played it) anymore. This is the past.

We was able to lvling our characters, discover all the world, play pvp (ranked, unranked, tournaments, esl etc), wvw seasons, and do all this cool stuff for all this time, while new players wasnt able to do it.

We used what we paid for. We received many hours of fun, and new players, which can buy HoT + GW2 cant back to these days. They’re going to start a new adventure, witch a brand new accounts, while we’ve got accounts with lvled characters, pvp skills, cool titles, minies, etc etc…

Think of it this way

You’re wrong on various fronts. It IS worth something. The main area? That’s the base game. The whole personal story? That’s also the base game. All the dungeons and WvWvW etc…? That’s also the base game. The expansion is supposed to be an EXPANSION. Not, base game + everything they needed to add at the beginning. It is EXTRA STUFF. You can’t have Extra stuff, if you don’t have the base. But it’s very clear you can here apparently.

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Di Nguyen.5968:

littlebabyprincess.9786:

How much did Anet paid you for this message? Explain why existing players are denied a chance to create a revenant without paying another $10 more. I am not even factoring the free game.

Because it costs money to develop the revenant? Explain to me why paying for the core game entitles you to free content in perpetuity?

You know… the all the real HUMANS who work for the company have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Uh, they don’t work to protect or anything, we don’t owe anything to them and they’re trying to sell something to us, we are not throwing money at them so they can survive. Explain to me why you think we should just buy it just so we can feed them and pay their bills? THEY are selling to ME. It is not the other way around.

RabbitUp.8294:

Xar.1387:

As i wrote:
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Same way u can go to the steam, and buy there some games before holidays sale.
And then complaing about that u paid few times more than others.

Life Deal with it.

Seeing as how you apparently were parted from your money by buying this expansion, you are one to talk.

On the other hand, the new players that got GW2 during the $10 sales were specifically told to do so. http://web.archive.org/web/20150401200009/https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ

Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes. Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand-alone campaign, and therefore it requires the base game to play.

So, you are honestly trying to support that a corrupt-to-the bone company that directly lies to get more sales is above criticism, and these players should just “deal with it”?

You need to learn to read bro. Nothing in the quote you stated contradicts Anets decision to include the base game with the expansion.

That is:

(1) the expansion isn’t a stand alone game (true);
(2) therefore you need the base game to play the expansion content (true).

Their inclusion of the base game with the expansion doesn’t contradict their previous statement in anyway.

That is:

they didn’t say you had to PAY for the base game in addition to the expansion.

Right?

Yeah… getting outraged for no reason other than your poor reading comprehension… sigh…

AWACS.6537:

Di Nguyen.5968:

littlebabyprincess.9786:

How much did Anet paid you for this message? Explain why existing players are denied a chance to create a revenant without paying another $10 more. I am not even factoring the free game.

Because it costs money to develop the revenant? Explain to me why paying for the core game entitles you to free content in perpetuity?

You know… the all the real HUMANS who work for the company have bills to pay and mouths to feed.

Uh, they don’t work to protect or anything, we don’t owe anything to them and they’re trying to sell something to us, we are not throwing money at them so they can survive. Explain to me why you think we should just buy it just so we can feed them and pay their bills? THEY are selling to ME. It is not the other way around.

You don’t owe them anything, and they don’t owe you anything. They’re entitled by the sweat of their brow to place a price they deem fitting on the product they produced.

You are not entitled to it for free.

You don’t have to buy it.

But please, don’t ask for free sh et.

Di Nguyen.5968:

You need to learn to read bro. Nothing in the quote you stated contradicts Anets decision to include the base game with the expansion.

That is:

(1) the expansion isn’t a stand alone game (true);
(2) therefore you need the base game to play the expansion content (true).

Their inclusion of the base game with the expansion doesn’t contradict their previous statement in anyway.

That is:

they didn’t say you had to PAY for the base game in addition to the expansion.

Right?

Yeah… getting outraged for no reason other than your poor reading comprehension… sigh…

There is no expansion. You cannot buy the expansion. The only thing you can buy is a product that combines GW2 and HoT.

In fact, you cannot buy the base game any more either. It was removed after pre-purchase began.

So, in the end, there’s only one single available product, that is a standalone game and a couple of optional cosmetic upgrades to that product. And even if what you said was even remotely true, it’s still a shady practice to use misleading information to grab a few sales.

By the way, they would have no reason to sneakily change their FAQ, if that was their intention from the beginning.

https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ
Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes, but Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns includes the Guild Wars 2 core game.

Di Nguyen.5968:

RabbitUp.8294:

Xar.1387:

As i wrote:
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Same way u can go to the steam, and buy there some games before holidays sale.
And then complaing about that u paid few times more than others.

Life Deal with it.

Seeing as how you apparently were parted from your money by buying this expansion, you are one to talk.

On the other hand, the new players that got GW2 during the $10 sales were specifically told to do so. http://web.archive.org/web/20150401200009/https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ

Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes. Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand-alone campaign, and therefore it requires the base game to play.

So, you are honestly trying to support that a corrupt-to-the bone company that directly lies to get more sales is above criticism, and these players should just “deal with it”?

You need to learn to read bro. Nothing in the quote you stated contradicts Anets decision to include the base game with the expansion.

That is:

(1) the expansion isn’t a stand alone game (true);
(2) therefore you need the base game to play the expansion content (true).

Their inclusion of the base game with the expansion doesn’t contradict their previous statement in anyway.

That is:

they didn’t say you had to PAY for the base game in addition to the expansion.

Right?

Yeah… getting outraged for no reason other than your poor reading comprehension… sigh…

You might be too dense to understand that including the base game for free with the purchase essentially makes it a standalone (at the same price and with less content than a standalone, no less), and no amount of verbal loopholing is going to change that fact. But for an Anet asskisser, that’s rather unsurprising.
Those who don’t care can’t criticize, after all.

zityz.6089:

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Okay. That’s fine. Maybe they should include a few character slots with the expansion to help out those who have no free character slots.

Whether the value is there for the $50 is debatable—we don’t know how much content there will be for the expansion.

But what I don’t get is (1) people complaining about the $50 figure itself outside of a discussion regarding the possible value of the content; and (2) that Anet’s decision to not force new players to purchase the base game is somehow offending to people who have probably got their money’s worth over these past 3 years.

Would following FFXIV’s model be a more palatable choice? 60 for base game + exp or 40 for exp alone?

I don’t get all the outrage.

Di Nguyen.5968:

RabbitUp.8294:

Xar.1387:

As i wrote:
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Same way u can go to the steam, and buy there some games before holidays sale.
And then complaing about that u paid few times more than others.

Life Deal with it.

Seeing as how you apparently were parted from your money by buying this expansion, you are one to talk.

On the other hand, the new players that got GW2 during the $10 sales were specifically told to do so. http://web.archive.org/web/20150401200009/https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ

Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes. Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand-alone campaign, and therefore it requires the base game to play.

So, you are honestly trying to support that a corrupt-to-the bone company that directly lies to get more sales is above criticism, and these players should just “deal with it”?

You need to learn to read bro. Nothing in the quote you stated contradicts Anets decision to include the base game with the expansion.

That is:

(1) the expansion isn’t a stand alone game (true);
(2) therefore you need the base game to play the expansion content (true).

Their inclusion of the base game with the expansion doesn’t contradict their previous statement in anyway.

That is:

they didn’t say you had to PAY for the base game in addition to the expansion.

Right?

Yeah… getting outraged for no reason other than your poor reading comprehension… sigh…

Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes. Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand-alone campaign, and therefore it requires the base game to play.

I don’t know what that says, but you are a pretty obvious fanboy if you think the above statement changing has nothing wrong with it even though it’s misleading consumers.
You are being so literal just to defend them, but every single person who has read that FAQ and the one after that can tell it was changed for very clear reasons.

“therefore it requires the base game to play.” That alone pretty much says we need the base game too, and then shortly after it was changed because GW2 came with the base game, so they changed the FAQ too. I wish I sold something to you, because I know you’d defend it even though I’d change important details, trying to be discreet as possible, get caught, and you’d still try to defend it. Again, HoT is now the base game as the core game isn’t available to buy anymore, it contradicts everything and is extremely anti-consumer, especially since they had a bunch of $10 dollar sales a few months ago and they need to buy HoT ( which happens to come with the core game )

Di Nguyen.5968:

I don’t get all the outrage.

That’s understandable if you aren’t a GW1 vet, as you wouldn’t know what business model Anet established beforehand, and how this new decision not only breaks it, but is ridiculous even in this day and age.
I’d say it’s comparable to EA, actually, charging as much as possible for as little content as possible. That’s not surprising for EA, but it is for Anet. Hence the outrage. We expect more from a company that has already established a good history of content value.

But you know, if you don’t understand all the outrage, you don’t actually even have to get involved.
It’s better to thoroughly understand an argument, before attempting to argue it.

Blackworm.2167:

Di Nguyen.5968:

RabbitUp.8294:

Xar.1387:

As i wrote:
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

Same way u can go to the steam, and buy there some games before holidays sale.
And then complaing about that u paid few times more than others.

Life Deal with it.

Seeing as how you apparently were parted from your money by buying this expansion, you are one to talk.

On the other hand, the new players that got GW2 during the $10 sales were specifically told to do so. http://web.archive.org/web/20150401200009/https://help.guildwars2.com/entries/105801626-Guild-Wars-2-Heart-of-Thorns-FAQ

Q: Do I have to own Guild Wars 2 to play the expansion?
A: Yes. Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is an expansion to Guild Wars 2 and not a stand-alone campaign, and therefore it requires the base game to play.

So, you are honestly trying to support that a corrupt-to-the bone company that directly lies to get more sales is above criticism, and these players should just “deal with it”?

You need to learn to read bro. Nothing in the quote you stated contradicts Anets decision to include the base game with the expansion.

That is:

(1) the expansion isn’t a stand alone game (true);
(2) therefore you need the base game to play the expansion content (true).

Their inclusion of the base game with the expansion doesn’t contradict their previous statement in anyway.

That is:

they didn’t say you had to PAY for the base game in addition to the expansion.

Right?

Yeah… getting outraged for no reason other than your poor reading comprehension… sigh…

You might be too dense to understand that including the base game for free with the purchase essentially makes it a standalone (at the same price and with less content than a standalone, no less), and no amount of verbal loopholing is going to change that fact. But for an Anet asskisser, that’s rather unsurprising.
Those who don’t care can’t criticize, after all.

Maybe you should learn to read things in context. You know, CONTEXT. When someone asks a question regarding whether the expansion is standalone and Anet says no, they are telling the truth.

Because you know, by DEFINITION an “expansion” is something which, oh I don’t know, expands upon something?

If it was standalone, it wouldn’t be an “expansion” right?

Taken in the context of what was being asked, the answer was true.

Try this logic test. Would it be true if they said you didn’t need the core game? No it wouldn’t right?

You’re just mad for no reason. It isn’t a verbal loophole, you’re just outraged because you want to find a reason to justify your outrage. You made an illogical assumption when you read that comment.

Prolly did pretty poorly on the SATs when it came to reading comprehension amiright?

Di Nguyen.5968:

zityz.6089:

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Okay. That’s fine. Maybe they should include a few character slots with the expansion to help out those who have no free character slots.

Whether the value is there for the $50 is debatable—we don’t know how much content there will be for the expansion.

But what I don’t get is (1) people complaining about the $50 figure itself outside of a discussion regarding the possible value of the content; and (2) that Anet’s decision to not force new players to purchase the base game is somehow offending to people who have probably got their money’s worth over these past 3 years.

Would following FFXIV’s model be a more palatable choice? 60 for base game + exp or 40 for exp alone?

I don’t get all the outrage.

People dont like throwing away money. People like consistency when buying things. It’s like if you had to pay the price of a new phone every time you bought an app or pay the price of Windows every time you bought a program.

An expansion is an expansion, not a the full product. Extra stuff to add on. This is not extra stuff to add on, this is Full product AGAIN, plus extra stuff. You cannot just buy what you need.

DistantStatic.6098:

Di Nguyen.5968:

zityz.6089:

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Okay. That’s fine. Maybe they should include a few character slots with the expansion to help out those who have no free character slots.

Whether the value is there for the $50 is debatable—we don’t know how much content there will be for the expansion.

But what I don’t get is (1) people complaining about the $50 figure itself outside of a discussion regarding the possible value of the content; and (2) that Anet’s decision to not force new players to purchase the base game is somehow offending to people who have probably got their money’s worth over these past 3 years.

Would following FFXIV’s model be a more palatable choice? 60 for base game + exp or 40 for exp alone?

I don’t get all the outrage.

People dont like throwing away money. People like consistency when buying things. It’s like if you had to pay the price of a new phone every time you bought an app or pay the price of Windows every time you bought a program.

An expansion is an expansion, not a the full product. Extra stuff to add on. This is not extra stuff to add on, this is Full product AGAIN, plus extra stuff. You cannot just buy what you need.

I get that. But isn’t that sorta the status quo with MMO expansions? WoW still charges that much for expansions + monthly fees. And people seem to see the base game included with the expansion as somehow being charged for something they don’t need, but would not including the base game with the expansion actually lower the cost of the expansion by any meaningful amount?

I can’t imagine the expansion retailing for less than $40.

DistantStatic.6098:

Di Nguyen.5968:

zityz.6089:

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Okay. That’s fine. Maybe they should include a few character slots with the expansion to help out those who have no free character slots.

Whether the value is there for the $50 is debatable—we don’t know how much content there will be for the expansion.

But what I don’t get is (1) people complaining about the $50 figure itself outside of a discussion regarding the possible value of the content; and (2) that Anet’s decision to not force new players to purchase the base game is somehow offending to people who have probably got their money’s worth over these past 3 years.

Would following FFXIV’s model be a more palatable choice? 60 for base game + exp or 40 for exp alone?

I don’t get all the outrage.

People dont like throwing away money. People like consistency when buying things. It’s like if you had to pay the price of a new phone every time you bought an app or pay the price of Windows every time you bought a program.

An expansion is an expansion, not a the full product. Extra stuff to add on. This is not extra stuff to add on, this is Full product AGAIN, plus extra stuff. You cannot just buy what you need.

Based on the amount of content advertised, compared to the amount of content in the core game, and compared to how much content we got in GW1 at the same price, I’d say HoT is currently worth about $25-$30 without a character slot at most.

Di Nguyen.5968:

I get that. But isn’t that sorta the status quo with MMO expansions? WoW still charges that much for expansions + monthly fees. And people seem to see the base game included with the expansion as somehow being charged for something they don’t need, but would not including the base game with the expansion actually lower the cost of the expansion by any meaningful amount?

I can’t imagine the expansion retailing for less than $40.

You seem to be forgetting that Anet already established their business model back in 2006 and it worked perfectly. This is a sudden change with no logical explanation behind it other than corporate greed.

WoW expansions do not include the core game (which everyone has to purchase) and they contain more content by measure than HoT does. Regarding the fact it is P2P, I don’t think that’s a good thing. P2P is an outdated model which is slowly dying out, and for good reason.

Many people, like myself, refuse to play P2P games due to the obligation of playing it every waking second of your life else you waste money, as time = money in P2P MMOs.

Di Nguyen.5968:

zityz.6089:

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Okay. That’s fine. Maybe they should include a few character slots with the expansion to help out those who have no free character slots.

Whether the value is there for the $50 is debatable—we don’t know how much content there will be for the expansion.

But what I don’t get is (1) people complaining about the $50 figure itself outside of a discussion regarding the possible value of the content; and (2) that Anet’s decision to not force new players to purchase the base game is somehow offending to people who have probably got their money’s worth over these past 3 years.

Would following FFXIV’s model be a more palatable choice? 60 for base game + exp or 40 for exp alone?

I don’t get all the outrage.

I believe most of the outrage is probably the price point for the expansion itself. For myself I’m not too worried about it being $50 but it will not for sure have nearly enough content as the base game which is why I think people are getting upset.

The people who wanted to play this game, either if you were a GW1 vet or this game really looked interesting to you, probably already has bought the game. I understand Anet wants to attract new players but they’re now offering them the whole base game plus the added maguuma content, which is what it really is, added content to one side of the map.

Going back again to the first game, the stand alone/ expansions were pretty much new continents to expand upon their lore and there was a ton of new content/ features for around the same price.

For the past 3 years the most that they have worked on for this expansion is going to add onto is one side of the map as apposed to say enough content to match the base game for the same price point, which fair enough it’s their call, but to leave out an option for the people who already paid for the base game + whatever they have bought in the gem store while giving the people who probably wouldn’t have bothered playing the base game in the first place a little something extra, does seam upsetting to some people, and those people I can fully understand.

Someone did have an idea to have an option to choose what you wanted with your expansion purchase, be it the game or 800 gems ( the price of a character slot) that includes the other add on parts as well.

This is my understanding from the whole thing.

Xar.1387:

Think of it this way

Think of it this way: some people will pay for anything, no matter how bad it is.

Blackworm.2167:

DistantStatic.6098:

Di Nguyen.5968:

zityz.6089:

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Okay. That’s fine. Maybe they should include a few character slots with the expansion to help out those who have no free character slots.

Whether the value is there for the $50 is debatable—we don’t know how much content there will be for the expansion.

But what I don’t get is (1) people complaining about the $50 figure itself outside of a discussion regarding the possible value of the content; and (2) that Anet’s decision to not force new players to purchase the base game is somehow offending to people who have probably got their money’s worth over these past 3 years.

Would following FFXIV’s model be a more palatable choice? 60 for base game + exp or 40 for exp alone?

I don’t get all the outrage.

People dont like throwing away money. People like consistency when buying things. It’s like if you had to pay the price of a new phone every time you bought an app or pay the price of Windows every time you bought a program.

An expansion is an expansion, not a the full product. Extra stuff to add on. This is not extra stuff to add on, this is Full product AGAIN, plus extra stuff. You cannot just buy what you need.

Based on the amount of content advertised, compared to the amount of content in the core game, and compared to how much content we got in GW1 at the same price, I’d say HoT is currently worth about $25-$30 without a character slot at most.

That’s a fair statement. If the content doesn’t justify the $50, then it shouldn’t be $50. But the discussion of the price should be done within the context of the value of the content the expansion brings, and not obfuscated by the issue that Anet chose to include the core game with the expansion.

Maybe what’s needed here is better communication on Anets part in terms of the content HoT will bring and why that content justifies the price.

But new elite specializations, new WvW content, new story and areas to explore, and new class isn’t worth $50? For me, it would be depending on how meaty the new zones are and how well fleshed out the story is—and also what kind of updates they plan to do in the near future prior to any 2nd expansion plans.

zityz.6089:

Di Nguyen.5968:

zityz.6089:

I can understand why existing players are getting upset by it.

The original GW came with 4 slots and you could purchase more slots if you chose to $10 a slot i believe.

When factions came out, it was a standalone/ expansion pack. If you didn’t own Prophecies, it acted like its own game with 4 slots. However, if you DID own Prophecies , it acted like an expansion and gave you ONE free character slot FOR FREE even though you could pay $10 for one.

This same thing applied to Nightfall as well which gave you another FREE slot if you added it as an Expac so your total would be 6 slots for 3 games. Since there were 10 classes at that point, they still could make money off of the extra character slots.

Even IF you were to get a free slot from this expansion that would only be 6 slots and there are 9 classes now that is still a minimum of $30 worth of slots a person can buy to have ONE of every character minimum.

So having to pay a minimum of $75 for a $10 slot added on to the digital copy of a game with some other stuff doesn’t seam to make sense.

It SHOULD be exactly like the gw1 model in this regards.

If you bought the game already for that $50 get 1 free slot. They could still make profit from it.

If you never bought the game it should come with the expasion +the game itself for the same price. Those other bundles for the $75 ($79?) and $99 should apply to the 2nd type of people with the extra slot added as well.

Okay. That’s fine. Maybe they should include a few character slots with the expansion to help out those who have no free character slots.

Whether the value is there for the $50 is debatable—we don’t know how much content there will be for the expansion.

But what I don’t get is (1) people complaining about the $50 figure itself outside of a discussion regarding the possible value of the content; and (2) that Anet’s decision to not force new players to purchase the base game is somehow offending to people who have probably got their money’s worth over these past 3 years.

Would following FFXIV’s model be a more palatable choice? 60 for base game + exp or 40 for exp alone?

I don’t get all the outrage.

I believe most of the outrage is probably the price point for the expansion itself. For myself I’m not too worried about it being $50 but it will not for sure have nearly enough content as the base game which is why I think people are getting upset.

The people who wanted to play this game, either if you were a GW1 vet or this game really looked interesting to you, probably already has bought the game. I understand Anet wants to attract new players but they’re now offering them the whole base game plus the added maguuma content, which is what it really is, added content to one side of the map.

Going back again to the first game, the stand alone/ expansions were pretty much new continents to expand upon their lore and there was a ton of new content/ features for around the same price.

For the past 3 years the most that they have worked on for this expansion is going to add onto is one side of the map as apposed to say enough content to match the base game for the same price point, which fair enough it’s their call, but to leave out an option for the people who already paid for the base game + whatever they have bought in the gem store while giving the people who probably wouldn’t have bothered playing the base game in the first place a little something extra, does seam upsetting to some people, and those people I can fully understand.

Someone did have an idea to have an option to choose what you wanted with your expansion purchase, be it the game or 800 gems ( the price of a character slot) that includes the other add on parts as well.

This is my understanding from the whole thing.

I see. So the new content is too thin to justify the price point. Gotcha.

If that’s the case, then instead of lowering the expansions price point, I would rather they continue to work on it and develop enough content to where the expansion IS worth $50.

Di Nguyen.5968:

Maybe you should learn to read things in context. You know, CONTEXT. When someone asks a question regarding whether the expansion is standalone and Anet says no, they are telling the truth.

Because you know, by DEFINITION an “expansion” is something which, oh I don’t know, expands upon something?

If it was standalone, it wouldn’t be an “expansion” right?

Taken in the context of what was being asked, the answer was true.

Try this logic test. Would it be true if they said you didn’t need the core game? No it wouldn’t right?

You’re just mad for no reason. It isn’t a verbal loophole, you’re just outraged because you want to find a reason to justify your outrage. You made an illogical assumption when you read that comment.

Prolly did pretty poorly on the SATs when it came to reading comprehension amiright?

You are making absurd claims, but I’ll bite. Currently, their FAQ specifically say that Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns INCLUDES the Guild Wars 2 core game (http://imgur.com/1h0wSaL.png)

Since you are so good at reading comprehension, would you mind explaining to me how a product that includes the base game and cannot be bought separately is not standalone?

Di Nguyen.5968:

That’s a fair statement. If the content doesn’t justify the $50, then it shouldn’t be $50. But the discussion of the price should be done within the context of the value of the content the expansion brings, and not obfuscated by the issue that Anet chose to include the core game with the expansion.

Maybe what’s needed here is better communication on Anets part in terms of the content HoT will bring and why that content justifies the price.

But new elite specializations, new WvW content, new story and areas to explore, and new class isn’t worth $50? For me, it would be depending on how meaty the new zones are and how well fleshed out the story is—and also what kind of updates they plan to do in the near future prior to any 2nd expansion plans.

No, it objectively isn’t. Because we have content per dollar to compare it to, from the same company and the same game, no less.
HoT, to justify its $50 pricetag, would have to include gamespace the size Tyria was at launch, for one.
As was the case with Factions and Nightfall, each containing continents roughly the size of Tyria in Prophecies, and new PvP arenas. Each the same price. So you have a good comparison there.

The updates aren’t a factor, as updates come regardless. They come with the base game. Updates will be made no matter what, even though some will pertain only to HoT content as was the case with Factions and Nightfall.

It has the price of a standalone, yet less content than a standalone (which contained not only the above, but also 2 professions and a character slot), but functionally is one, as it does not require the core game as that will be included for free with it, for new players. For new players, it is the price of GW2 for more than GW2. For everyone else, it’s the price of a standalone for less content than EotN, an actual expansion.

Even with all that, there’s the fact Anet is being unreasonably non-transparent about the whole thing, not something I’d expect from a company with their reputation. The FAQ bait & switch, the lack of communication, it rubs people the wrong way. Understandably so if you keep up with current events in the gaming industry.

Di Nguyen.5968:

Maybe you should learn to read things in context. You know, CONTEXT. When someone asks a question regarding whether the expansion is standalone and Anet says no, they are telling the truth.

Because you know, by DEFINITION an “expansion” is something which, oh I don’t know, expands upon something?

If it was standalone, it wouldn’t be an “expansion” right?

Taken in the context of what was being asked, the answer was true.

Try this logic test. Would it be true if they said you didn’t need the core game? No it wouldn’t right?

You’re just mad for no reason. It isn’t a verbal loophole, you’re just outraged because you want to find a reason to justify your outrage. You made an illogical assumption when you read that comment.

Prolly did pretty poorly on the SATs when it came to reading comprehension amiright?

Oh of course, just like they “told the truth” about everything else, right? Because they can do no wrong. /s
Of course they’re going to call it an ‘expansion’, but that doesn’t make it one, and I already explained why.
It’s a marketing tactic, but you wouldn’t know that, seeing as you have your nose shoved so far up their collective rear end. Just “keep believing”.

“You’re just mad for no reason. It isn’t a verbal loophole, you’re just outraged because you want to find a reason to justify your outrage. You made an illogical assumption when you read that comment. "

Oh the irony. Nice strawman. Also sounds a lot like you’re projecting right about now.

“Prolly did pretty poorly on the SATs when it came to reading comprehension amiright? "

Nice ad hominem. You know, the number of self-defeating fallacies you are employing really makes it hard to take you seriously. Like, at all.

You ain’t seen nuthin yet. Tune in on June 23rd.