Guild Wars 2

Grind is getting used by people on this forum that don’t really understand RPGs and have probably started playing mmos post WOW. RPG’s have allways been about collection and long term goals. What GW2 offers is this gameplay without the power race, and lots of ways to achieve it. What those players are trying to do is ‘minmax’ the path to something rather than doing what they enjoy doing and so they end up doing something they dont like, its their own fault.

Ryou.2398:

Trust me you don’t want easy progression you will get bored, it doesn’t matter how casual you are that isn’t rewarding in the end. Are you guys using the lfg tools? Are you asking map chat or guilds to help? People are really really helpful in the game give it a try.

I only got bored with Tyria when they added Ascended grind and Fractals grind to the game, before that i played for a year and a half happily daily, with no issues leveled 11 characters to 80, got every single crafting to 400 saved my gold and bought my exotics..

As soon as the whiners complained about end game being non existent GW2 was ruined for me.. So please don’t say i’d get bored, i was happy in core until i was gated and it became a grind..

How does someone get bored when things are added to a game? How does something added to a game, that you don’t have do, make you bored of it all the sudden? That’s nonsense .. .it’s the same as saying they added more dye colours … and it made me bored of the game!

I’m seeing lots of statements about grind and this and that which don’t even have logical connections, which is why it’s really easy to question how honest people are being when they say them. Adding something to a game that you don’t care to do, that you don’t have to do can’t make you bored of it. You can ignore it, do the things you did before that weren’t boring and not be bored.

General Health.9678:

Razor.9872:

What if I told you that the only videos I have watched were for raids?

I’d say you were defeating your own argument.
My “watch a video if you are stuck” suggestions applies to people who are a) stuck and b) in-game or on the forums complaining they can’t do something, can’t get somewhere, that the maps need fixing / nerfing. All those things.

I don’t understand; how does my quote defeat my own argument? My quote emphasized that one can quite realistically get un-stuck, do stuff, and go places without the need for watching a video.

The only reason I did so with raids was so I didn’t slow others down. But with the HoT maps, videos are rarely ever necessary.

Dante.1508:

Ryou.2398:

Trust me you don’t want easy progression you will get bored, it doesn’t matter how casual you are that isn’t rewarding in the end. Are you guys using the lfg tools? Are you asking map chat or guilds to help? People are really really helpful in the game give it a try.

I only got bored with Tyria when they added Ascended grind and Fractals grind to the game, before that i played for a year and a half happily daily, with no issues leveled 11 characters to 80, got every single crafting to 400 saved my gold and bought my exotics..

As soon as the whiners complained about end game being non existent GW2 was ruined for me.. So please don’t say i’d get bored, i was happy in core until i was gated and it became a grind..

You don’t have to “grind” for ascended. And you don’t have to “grind” for fractals. You can still do what you were doing for a year-and-a-half happily, daily, with no issues. Exotics work just dandy for nearly everything.

If you are letting whiners complaining about end-game ruin Gw2 for you, then that is your own personal issue. The core game never left. It is still there. All the things that you were happy with are still there — and there are still people to do them with. You were never “gated” from what you were already doing. The only “grind” you are experiencing is a self-imposed requirement for instant completion/gratification.

I just can’t comprehend this ideology.

Razor.9872:

General Health.9678:

Razor.9872:

What if I told you that the only videos I have watched were for raids?

I’d say you were defeating your own argument.
My “watch a video if you are stuck” suggestions applies to people who are a) stuck and b) in-game or on the forums complaining they can’t do something, can’t get somewhere, that the maps need fixing / nerfing. All those things.

I don’t understand; how does my quote defeat my own argument? My quote emphasized that one can quite realistically get un-stuck, do stuff, and go places without the need for watching a video.

The only reason I did so with raids was so I didn’t slow others down. But with the HoT maps, videos are rarely ever necessary.

Here you say that with HoT, “videos are rarely ever necessary”, yet it’s the #1 thing you propose me and other people who struggle with HoT do. So that’s kind of hypocritical…

Dante.1508:

Ryou.2398:

Trust me you don’t want easy progression you will get bored, it doesn’t matter how casual you are that isn’t rewarding in the end. Are you guys using the lfg tools? Are you asking map chat or guilds to help? People are really really helpful in the game give it a try.

I only got bored with Tyria when they added Ascended grind and Fractals grind to the game, before that i played for a year and a half happily daily, with no issues leveled 11 characters to 80, got every single crafting to 400 saved my gold and bought my exotics..

As soon as the whiners complained about end game being non existent GW2 was ruined for me.. So please don’t say i’d get bored, i was happy in core until i was gated and it became a grind..

Almost every MMO on the planet raises the level and introduces new tiers of gear. Ascended were meant to be a long term goal and fractals were introduced as an end game OPTION for people who wanted that play style. You can experience every fractal without grinding.

In fact, there are now 15 fractals and you can touch each one of them in easy mode without ever grinding up to the higher levels. So the grind in fractals in entirely optional.

As for ascended gear, I never ground for it. The most important ascended gear is the jewelry. You need 30 laurels for an amulet, which you can get just by waiting for them to come from log in rewards, you can get accessories (earrings) from 24 guild commendations from guild missions (or laurels if you don’t want to do guild missions but I can’t imagine why) and you can get rings very very easily from low level fractals.

The fact that it would take you a couple of months of not grinding, and that you can play all the content in the game without ascended stuff makes it just something that you get over time naturally. The only people who call jewelry a grind think they need it to play and what to have it now. Anyway gating is the exact opposite of grind.

Weapons, again, are easy to get if you take your time. They’re only hard to get if you choose to grind them. Ascended armor is almost completely unnecessary and if you absolutely have to have it, just let it come.

In those three years you’re talking about Anet has raised neither the level cap or added a new tier of gear.

Moyayuki.3619:

Razor.9872:

General Health.9678:

Razor.9872:

What if I told you that the only videos I have watched were for raids?

I’d say you were defeating your own argument.
My “watch a video if you are stuck” suggestions applies to people who are a) stuck and b) in-game or on the forums complaining they can’t do something, can’t get somewhere, that the maps need fixing / nerfing. All those things.

I don’t understand; how does my quote defeat my own argument? My quote emphasized that one can quite realistically get un-stuck, do stuff, and go places without the need for watching a video.

The only reason I did so with raids was so I didn’t slow others down. But with the HoT maps, videos are rarely ever necessary.

Here you say that with HoT, “videos are rarely ever necessary”, yet it’s the #1 thing you propose me and other people who struggle with HoT do. So that’s kind of hypocritical…

No at all. It just means that you and other people struggling with hot fit into that “rarely” where videos may help. It makes sense for videos to be the #1 thing if they’re the most effective way to get you out of the rarely zone and into your happy place.

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

Moyayuki.3619:

Razor.9872:

General Health.9678:

Razor.9872:

What if I told you that the only videos I have watched were for raids?

I’d say you were defeating your own argument.
My “watch a video if you are stuck” suggestions applies to people who are a) stuck and b) in-game or on the forums complaining they can’t do something, can’t get somewhere, that the maps need fixing / nerfing. All those things.

I don’t understand; how does my quote defeat my own argument? My quote emphasized that one can quite realistically get un-stuck, do stuff, and go places without the need for watching a video.

The only reason I did so with raids was so I didn’t slow others down. But with the HoT maps, videos are rarely ever necessary.

Here you say that with HoT, “videos are rarely ever necessary”, yet it’s the #1 thing you propose me and other people who struggle with HoT do. So that’s kind of hypocritical…

I think you may have me mistaken for someone else, or have misinterpreted what I posted. I don’t remember a time where I suggested someone watch a video (on these forums at least). Can you please quote me suggesting to someone to watch a video for x?

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.

Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.

Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.

Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.

If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?

Moyayuki.3619:

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

Actually, you aren’t far off the mark with this statement because AFAIK, no MMO was ever tailored to anyone’s personal preferences and experiences. That’s not to say you aren’t important as a player, but to think how the game affects you and interacts with you personally is a valid reason for the game adjusting to you is pretty much crazy. This is not a bespoke product; very little is, so I’m astounded at the expectations people have for the game to be adjusted to suit them. It’s unrealistic.

The thing I find very odd with these ‘HoT hard’ threads is that almost everyone had problems with HoT. The only thing that really separates the main core of players is that some adapted and succeeded and others, for whatever reason (some valid, some nonsensical) did not. Things like not watching videos, not teaming, not changing gear, not pressing dodge, not reacting and dying while being attacked in order to finish a harvest … those are some of the nonsensical reasons and are self-imposed limitations that Anet can’t (and shouldn’t) take seriously as reasons to adjust the game.

We’ve read it all in the last 9 months and it’s disappointing to see that some of the gamer nation has reduces themselves to that level; they feel that they are entitled to all content their way. If people can’t do something in the game, there are multiple strategies available to figure it out; asking the devs to change it and make it trivial so everyone can get it done isn’t an answer.

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.

Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.

Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.

If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?

Only 80s I currently have are an Engi/Scrapper and an Ele/Tempest. However, only the Engi is far enough to actually do the HoT story; my Ele still has to redo (because for some reason I was pushed back to the beginning) of the Dry Top LS. Engineer/Scrapper is a very clunky class, IMO, so that would explain some of my struggle, but he is the only 80 I have right now who is that far in the story. I have one toon of each class but it takes me a long time to level up to 80 (don’t have a lot of free time to play, you see). However, class choice has nothing to do with the struggle I have with navigating even Verdant Brink, which many people claim is easy to explore. I also have to stay in HoT maps in order to level up the HoT-specific masteries, which makes it difficult.

That’s my current situation, since you asked.

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

Actually, you aren’t far off the mark with this statement because AFAIK, no MMO was ever tailored to anyone’s personal preferences and experiences. That’s not to say you aren’t important as a player, but to think how the game affects you and interacts with you personally is a valid reason for the game adjusting to you is pretty much crazy. This is not a bespoke product; very little is, so I’m astounded at the expectations people have for the game to be adjusted to suit them. It’s unrealistic.

The thing I find very odd with these ‘HoT hard’ threads is that almost everyone had problems with HoT. The only thing that really separates the main core of players is that some adapted and succeeded and others, for whatever reason (some valid, some nonsensical) did not.

Not once did I claim the game had to change for me and only me. I am not THAT kitten ed selfish, nor am I one of the silly whiners who does not even TRY before getting frustrated. I am struggling with HoT. It’s as simple as that. Everyone is right in that the core game doesn’t train players to be prepared for HoT (especially those of us who really dislike PvP and WvW – honestly, I don’t even like or enjoy or am good at playing against people in Halo or other competitive modes).

I’m starting to get sick of people claiming I’m one of the “WHAA! Game is hard, so cater to my EVERY WHIM!” players. Also tired of seeing this “Well, I had no trouble, so you shouldn’t, either, so L2P” mindset that exists in MMO forums. Like every one else here, I want to discuss a game I enjoy, and also give my opinions and personal experiences when it’s relevant. Not to be looked down upon. Sheesh.

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.

Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.

Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.

If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?

Only 80s I currently have are an Engi/Scrapper and an Ele/Tempest. However, only the Engi is far enough to actually do the HoT story; my Ele still has to redo (because for some reason I was pushed back to the beginning) of the Dry Top LS. Engineer/Scrapper is a very clunky class, IMO, so that would explain some of my struggle, but he is the only 80 I have right now who is that far in the story. I have one toon of each class but it takes me a long time to level up to 80 (don’t have a lot of free time to play, you see). However, class choice has nothing to do with the struggle I have with navigating even Verdant Brink, which many people claim is easy to explore. I also have to stay in HoT maps in order to level up the HoT-specific masteries, which makes it difficult.

That’s my current situation, since you asked.

Class choice does something to do with it, some classes have better exploration/escape tools. The reason you hear its easy because some classes have an easier time but this also has something to do with builds and gear, so your having a hard time with engineer? Hmmm I cant say I have much experience with them but I do recommend grabbing some of the defensives in scrapper if you have not, have you tried going for more healing from turrets and stuff for yourself? My friend did it recently and made a good difference.

And im kind of confused, are you saying you havent leveled your elite spec yet? If you havent, have you went to older maps to see if you can get more hero points from those maps?

If your using bserker, try maurders gear since it trades off some very slight dps for vitality.

Moyayuki.3619:

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

Actually, you aren’t far off the mark with this statement because AFAIK, no MMO was ever tailored to anyone’s personal preferences and experiences. That’s not to say you aren’t important as a player, but to think how the game affects you and interacts with you personally is a valid reason for the game adjusting to you is pretty much crazy. This is not a bespoke product; very little is, so I’m astounded at the expectations people have for the game to be adjusted to suit them. It’s unrealistic.

The thing I find very odd with these ‘HoT hard’ threads is that almost everyone had problems with HoT. The only thing that really separates the main core of players is that some adapted and succeeded and others, for whatever reason (some valid, some nonsensical) did not.

Not once did I claim the game had to change for me and only me. I am not THAT kitten ed selfish, nor am I one of the silly whiners who does not even TRY before getting frustrated. I am struggling with HoT. It’s as simple as that. Everyone is right in that the core game doesn’t train players to be prepared for HoT (especially those of us who really dislike PvP and WvW – honestly, I don’t even like or enjoy or am good at playing against people in Halo or other competitive modes).

I’m starting to get sick of people claiming I’m one of the “WHAA! Game is hard, so cater to my EVERY WHIM!” players. Also tired of seeing this “Well, I had no trouble, so you shouldn’t, either, so L2P” mindset that exists in MMO forums. Like every one else here, I want to discuss a game I enjoy, and also give my opinions and personal experiences when it’s relevant. Not to be looked down upon. Sheesh.

I don’t think it’s looking down upon moreso than what group of players an individual will be identified with and how they appear to the general population. Do you have problems in HoT? How did you go about solving them? IIRC, you mentioned you didn’t want to watch videos; I can’t see why that’s a valid roadblock to playing the game. It’s no less valid than “I didn’t want to read the manual” or “I ignored the minimum computer spec to run the game” (Sorry, those are old examples some people might not understand)

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.

Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.

Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.

If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?

Only 80s I currently have are an Engi/Scrapper and an Ele/Tempest. However, only the Engi is far enough to actually do the HoT story; my Ele still has to redo (because for some reason I was pushed back to the beginning) of the Dry Top LS. Engineer/Scrapper is a very clunky class, IMO, so that would explain some of my struggle, but he is the only 80 I have right now who is that far in the story. I have one toon of each class but it takes me a long time to level up to 80 (don’t have a lot of free time to play, you see). However, class choice has nothing to do with the struggle I have with navigating even Verdant Brink, which many people claim is easy to explore. I also have to stay in HoT maps in order to level up the HoT-specific masteries, which makes it difficult.

That’s my current situation, since you asked.

Class choice does something to do with it, some classes have better exploration/escape tools. The reason you hear its easy because some classes have an easier time but this also has something to do with builds and gear, so your having a hard time with engineer? Hmmm I cant say I have much experience with them but I do recommend grabbing some of the defensives in scrapper if you have not, have you tried going for more healing from turrets and stuff for yourself? My friend did it recently and made a good difference.

If your using bserker, try maurders gear since it trades off some very slight dps for vitality.

I am currently using Carrion stats (did use Beserkers before) on my armor. Would use Marauders, but I don’t have the gold or mats to make a full set, compounded by the fact I have low game time.

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

Actually, you aren’t far off the mark with this statement because AFAIK, no MMO was ever tailored to anyone’s personal preferences and experiences. That’s not to say you aren’t important as a player, but to think how the game affects you and interacts with you personally is a valid reason for the game adjusting to you is pretty much crazy. This is not a bespoke product; very little is, so I’m astounded at the expectations people have for the game to be adjusted to suit them. It’s unrealistic.

The thing I find very odd with these ‘HoT hard’ threads is that almost everyone had problems with HoT. The only thing that really separates the main core of players is that some adapted and succeeded and others, for whatever reason (some valid, some nonsensical) did not.

Not once did I claim the game had to change for me and only me. I am not THAT kitten ed selfish, nor am I one of the silly whiners who does not even TRY before getting frustrated. I am struggling with HoT. It’s as simple as that. Everyone is right in that the core game doesn’t train players to be prepared for HoT (especially those of us who really dislike PvP and WvW – honestly, I don’t even like or enjoy or am good at playing against people in Halo or other competitive modes).

I’m starting to get sick of people claiming I’m one of the “WHAA! Game is hard, so cater to my EVERY WHIM!” players. Also tired of seeing this “Well, I had no trouble, so you shouldn’t, either, so L2P” mindset that exists in MMO forums. Like every one else here, I want to discuss a game I enjoy, and also give my opinions and personal experiences when it’s relevant. Not to be looked down upon. Sheesh.

I don’t think it’s looking down upon moreso than what group of players an individual will be identified with and how they appear to the general population. Do you have problems in HoT? How did you go about solving them? IIRC, you mentioned you didn’t want to watch videos; I can’t see why that’s a valid roadblock to playing the game. It’s no less valid than “I didn’t want to read the manual” or “I ignored the minimum computer spec to run the game” (Sorry, those are old examples some people might not understand)

Those are not good examples. A manual comes with a game itself (either physically or as a digital download), and computer specs determine if you can even play the game at all. But a video created by a third party is an optional resource, not mandatory and did not actually come packaged with the game itself.

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

Moyayuki.3619:

Ryou.2398:

usnedward.9023:

I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.

There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!

I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.

I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow

The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.

Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.

It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!

I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.

Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.

Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.

I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.

Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.

You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.

Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.

Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.

If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?

Only 80s I currently have are an Engi/Scrapper and an Ele/Tempest. However, only the Engi is far enough to actually do the HoT story; my Ele still has to redo (because for some reason I was pushed back to the beginning) of the Dry Top LS. Engineer/Scrapper is a very clunky class, IMO, so that would explain some of my struggle, but he is the only 80 I have right now who is that far in the story. I have one toon of each class but it takes me a long time to level up to 80 (don’t have a lot of free time to play, you see). However, class choice has nothing to do with the struggle I have with navigating even Verdant Brink, which many people claim is easy to explore. I also have to stay in HoT maps in order to level up the HoT-specific masteries, which makes it difficult.

That’s my current situation, since you asked.

Class choice does something to do with it, some classes have better exploration/escape tools. The reason you hear its easy because some classes have an easier time but this also has something to do with builds and gear, so your having a hard time with engineer? Hmmm I cant say I have much experience with them but I do recommend grabbing some of the defensives in scrapper if you have not, have you tried going for more healing from turrets and stuff for yourself? My friend did it recently and made a good difference.

If your using bserker, try maurders gear since it trades off some very slight dps for vitality.

I am currently using Carrion stats (did use Beserkers before) on my armor. Would use Marauders, but I don’t have the gold or mats to make a full set, compounded by the fact I have low game time.

Do you run with a guild? Maybe they can help you achieve this, how much time do you really get? Carrion isnt bad but maybe condi isnt the way to go for this area, your likely going to need to spend sometime researching or asking in the engineer forums, you can also try reddit but it wont hurt to ask other engineers how they got through the content.

Moyayuki.3619:

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

Actually, you aren’t far off the mark with this statement because AFAIK, no MMO was ever tailored to anyone’s personal preferences and experiences. That’s not to say you aren’t important as a player, but to think how the game affects you and interacts with you personally is a valid reason for the game adjusting to you is pretty much crazy. This is not a bespoke product; very little is, so I’m astounded at the expectations people have for the game to be adjusted to suit them. It’s unrealistic.

The thing I find very odd with these ‘HoT hard’ threads is that almost everyone had problems with HoT. The only thing that really separates the main core of players is that some adapted and succeeded and others, for whatever reason (some valid, some nonsensical) did not.

Not once did I claim the game had to change for me and only me. I am not THAT kitten ed selfish, nor am I one of the silly whiners who does not even TRY before getting frustrated. I am struggling with HoT. It’s as simple as that. Everyone is right in that the core game doesn’t train players to be prepared for HoT (especially those of us who really dislike PvP and WvW – honestly, I don’t even like or enjoy or am good at playing against people in Halo or other competitive modes).

I’m starting to get sick of people claiming I’m one of the “WHAA! Game is hard, so cater to my EVERY WHIM!” players. Also tired of seeing this “Well, I had no trouble, so you shouldn’t, either, so L2P” mindset that exists in MMO forums. Like every one else here, I want to discuss a game I enjoy, and also give my opinions and personal experiences when it’s relevant. Not to be looked down upon. Sheesh.

I don’t think it’s looking down upon moreso than what group of players an individual will be identified with and how they appear to the general population. Do you have problems in HoT? How did you go about solving them? IIRC, you mentioned you didn’t want to watch videos; I can’t see why that’s a valid roadblock to playing the game. It’s no less valid than “I didn’t want to read the manual” or “I ignored the minimum computer spec to run the game” (Sorry, those are old examples some people might not understand)

Those are not good examples. A manual comes with a game itself (either physically or as a digital download), and computer specs determine if you can even play the game at all. But a video created by a third party is an optional resource, not mandatory and did not actually come packaged with the game itself.

Those are great examples because they are information that’s available to everyone and it’s irrelevant what the source is or the nature of it; it’s about how you use the available information you have to make mature and reasonable decisions. If you decide not to, that’s not a failing of the game, it’s a self-imposed limitation. Labeling videos as ‘optional’ is a little disingenuous … is the problem you have that they solve ‘optional’ as well?

I mean … you won’t watch a video, but you have no problems being here, reading, typing and discussing your HoT issues to get some information to help you out when most of what you are asking or want to know has probably already been put in a more comprehensive and digestable video or website. I’m not sure how you don’t see the irony there but to me it’s obvious and it’s indicative to me of someone that really isn’t looking for help, but validation of their own position.

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Obtena.7952:

Moyayuki.3619:

Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.

Actually, you aren’t far off the mark with this statement because AFAIK, no MMO was ever tailored to anyone’s personal preferences and experiences. That’s not to say you aren’t important as a player, but to think how the game affects you and interacts with you personally is a valid reason for the game adjusting to you is pretty much crazy. This is not a bespoke product; very little is, so I’m astounded at the expectations people have for the game to be adjusted to suit them. It’s unrealistic.

The thing I find very odd with these ‘HoT hard’ threads is that almost everyone had problems with HoT. The only thing that really separates the main core of players is that some adapted and succeeded and others, for whatever reason (some valid, some nonsensical) did not.

Not once did I claim the game had to change for me and only me. I am not THAT kitten ed selfish, nor am I one of the silly whiners who does not even TRY before getting frustrated. I am struggling with HoT. It’s as simple as that. Everyone is right in that the core game doesn’t train players to be prepared for HoT (especially those of us who really dislike PvP and WvW – honestly, I don’t even like or enjoy or am good at playing against people in Halo or other competitive modes).

I’m starting to get sick of people claiming I’m one of the “WHAA! Game is hard, so cater to my EVERY WHIM!” players. Also tired of seeing this “Well, I had no trouble, so you shouldn’t, either, so L2P” mindset that exists in MMO forums. Like every one else here, I want to discuss a game I enjoy, and also give my opinions and personal experiences when it’s relevant. Not to be looked down upon. Sheesh.

I don’t think it’s looking down upon moreso than what group of players an individual will be identified with and how they appear to the general population. Do you have problems in HoT? How did you go about solving them? IIRC, you mentioned you didn’t want to watch videos; I can’t see why that’s a valid roadblock to playing the game. It’s no less valid than “I didn’t want to read the manual” or “I ignored the minimum computer spec to run the game” (Sorry, those are old examples some people might not understand)

Those are not good examples. A manual comes with a game itself (either physically or as a digital download), and computer specs determine if you can even play the game at all. But a video created by a third party is an optional resource, not mandatory and did not actually come packaged with the game itself.

Those are great examples because they are information that’s available to everyone and it’s irrelevant what the source is or the nature of it; it’s about how you use the available information you have to make mature and reasonable decisions. If you decide not to, that’s not a failing of the game, it’s a self-imposed limitation. Labeling videos as ‘optional’ is a little disingenuous … is the problem you have that they solve ‘optional’ as well?

I mean … you won’t watch a video, but you have no problems being here, reading, typing and discussing your HoT issues to get some information to help you out. I’m not sure how you don’t see the irony there but to me it’s obvious.

And that is your opinion. Live and let live. I don’t see why you even care about my preferences.

I think your ‘preferences’ say alot about the direction I hope this game never takes so you will excuse me if I’m challenging what your preferences are and the basis for them instead of just letting you seek validation of them. No one should have that warm fuzzy feeling that somehow, self-imposed limitations to playing any game and complaining about barriers for success is reasonable position to have.

Obtena.7952:

I think your ‘preferences’ say alot about the direction I hope this game never takes so you will excuse me if I’m challenging what your preferences are and the basis for them instead of just letting you seek validation of them. No one should have that warm fuzzy feeling that somehow, self-imposed limitations to playing any game and complaining about barriers for success is reasonable position to have.

Dear Lord, I never said the game should drastically change!

And where the hell did I say anything about “warm and fuzzy feelings”?

Ugh, forget it. >_<

Runaway thread is running away.

Runaway thread should have ended ages ago when OP said he was satisfied with the replies he got. :/

Razor.9872:

Dante.1508:

Ryou.2398:

Trust me you don’t want easy progression you will get bored, it doesn’t matter how casual you are that isn’t rewarding in the end. Are you guys using the lfg tools? Are you asking map chat or guilds to help? People are really really helpful in the game give it a try.

I only got bored with Tyria when they added Ascended grind and Fractals grind to the game, before that i played for a year and a half happily daily, with no issues leveled 11 characters to 80, got every single crafting to 400 saved my gold and bought my exotics..

As soon as the whiners complained about end game being non existent GW2 was ruined for me.. So please don’t say i’d get bored, i was happy in core until i was gated and it became a grind..

You don’t have to “grind” for ascended. And you don’t have to “grind” for fractals. You can still do what you were doing for a year-and-a-half happily, daily, with no issues. Exotics work just dandy for nearly everything.

If you are letting whiners complaining about end-game ruin Gw2 for you, then that is your own personal issue. The core game never left. It is still there. All the things that you were happy with are still there — and there are still people to do them with. You were never “gated” from what you were already doing. The only “grind” you are experiencing is a self-imposed requirement for instant completion/gratification.

I just can’t comprehend this ideology.

It ruined it for me because no real content like core tyria ever appeared since, they focused on Ascended that is too tedious and gated for me to get, and they focused on Fractals ( i can’t even pass lv 7 without being carried) that as you said had no use for me.. the rewards became too much trouble too attain, and the fun drained away because nothing in core tyria was ever added again.. and everything since had to be an epic treadmill and hardcore challenge..

Living Stories came… and “went” so did their content, and rewards, while destroying beautiful maps in the process, the devs focused all content in avenues i didn’t enjoy (grind for grinds sake mostly) or was interested in and then all rewards and items became too “hard” (much hassle) to get..

So i left.

Vayne.8563:

Dante.1508:

Ryou.2398:

Trust me you don’t want easy progression you will get bored, it doesn’t matter how casual you are that isn’t rewarding in the end. Are you guys using the lfg tools? Are you asking map chat or guilds to help? People are really really helpful in the game give it a try.

I only got bored with Tyria when they added Ascended grind and Fractals grind to the game, before that i played for a year and a half happily daily, with no issues leveled 11 characters to 80, got every single crafting to 400 saved my gold and bought my exotics..

As soon as the whiners complained about end game being non existent GW2 was ruined for me.. So please don’t say i’d get bored, i was happy in core until i was gated and it became a grind..

Almost every MMO on the planet raises the level and introduces new tiers of gear. Ascended were meant to be a long term goal and fractals were introduced as an end game OPTION for people who wanted that play style. You can experience every fractal without grinding.

In fact, there are now 15 fractals and you can touch each one of them in easy mode without ever grinding up to the higher levels. So the grind in fractals in entirely optional.

As for ascended gear, I never ground for it. The most important ascended gear is the jewelry. You need 30 laurels for an amulet, which you can get just by waiting for them to come from log in rewards, you can get accessories (earrings) from 24 guild commendations from guild missions (or laurels if you don’t want to do guild missions but I can’t imagine why) and you can get rings very very easily from low level fractals.

The fact that it would take you a couple of months of not grinding, and that you can play all the content in the game without ascended stuff makes it just something that you get over time naturally. The only people who call jewelry a grind think they need it to play and what to have it now. Anyway gating is the exact opposite of grind.

Weapons, again, are easy to get if you take your time. They’re only hard to get if you choose to grind them. Ascended armor is almost completely unnecessary and if you absolutely have to have it, just let it come.

In those three years you’re talking about Anet has raised neither the level cap or added a new tier of gear.

Ascended gear makes the game easier.. 30% or so for a full set.. Ascended gear is really difficult to get due to costs i need to get to 500 crafting and the items needed to craft the ascended..

Time gating content is just a wait grind, gotta wait months for no reason.. If ascended is as pointless and meaningless as you people make it out to be why isn’t it for sale on the AH and why are you so up in arms if they ever did put it up for sale, you don’t need it right its pretty meaningless remember.. yeah right.

To be honest i’m not even sure where we are supposed to find half of the Ascended materials i’ve never seen some.. i thought just playing got me enough for ascended, it really doesn’t, i looked on the wiki and there are parts i’ve yet to even see ever.

No three years Anet has not raised the level cap or added a new tier of gear, but they hid everything behind stupid time gates and grinds which is far far worse.. I’d have been fine with new levels and gear similar to core tyria if the content had been made for them.. I actually enjoyed leveling up seeing the world getting map completions and just killing stuff casually, but they ruined all that in Hot for “challenge” lol

The fact you haven’t seen some of the Ascended mats is demonstrative of the fact you don’t need it … and you complain about time gates.

Dante.1508:

Vayne.8563:

Dante.1508:

Ryou.2398:

Trust me you don’t want easy progression you will get bored, it doesn’t matter how casual you are that isn’t rewarding in the end. Are you guys using the lfg tools? Are you asking map chat or guilds to help? People are really really helpful in the game give it a try.

I only got bored with Tyria when they added Ascended grind and Fractals grind to the game, before that i played for a year and a half happily daily, with no issues leveled 11 characters to 80, got every single crafting to 400 saved my gold and bought my exotics..

As soon as the whiners complained about end game being non existent GW2 was ruined for me.. So please don’t say i’d get bored, i was happy in core until i was gated and it became a grind..

Almost every MMO on the planet raises the level and introduces new tiers of gear. Ascended were meant to be a long term goal and fractals were introduced as an end game OPTION for people who wanted that play style. You can experience every fractal without grinding.

In fact, there are now 15 fractals and you can touch each one of them in easy mode without ever grinding up to the higher levels. So the grind in fractals in entirely optional.

As for ascended gear, I never ground for it. The most important ascended gear is the jewelry. You need 30 laurels for an amulet, which you can get just by waiting for them to come from log in rewards, you can get accessories (earrings) from 24 guild commendations from guild missions (or laurels if you don’t want to do guild missions but I can’t imagine why) and you can get rings very very easily from low level fractals.

The fact that it would take you a couple of months of not grinding, and that you can play all the content in the game without ascended stuff makes it just something that you get over time naturally. The only people who call jewelry a grind think they need it to play and what to have it now. Anyway gating is the exact opposite of grind.

Weapons, again, are easy to get if you take your time. They’re only hard to get if you choose to grind them. Ascended armor is almost completely unnecessary and if you absolutely have to have it, just let it come.

In those three years you’re talking about Anet has raised neither the level cap or added a new tier of gear.

Ascended gear makes the game easier.. 30% or so for a full set.. Ascended gear is really difficult to get due to costs i need to get to 500 crafting and the items needed to craft the ascended..

Time gating content is just a wait grind, gotta wait months for no reason.. If ascended is as pointless and meaningless as you people make it out to be why isn’t it for sale on the AH and why are you so up in arms if they ever did put it up for sale, you don’t need it right its pretty meaningless remember.. yeah right.

To be honest i’m not even sure where we are supposed to find half of the Ascended materials i’ve never seen some.. i thought just playing got me enough for ascended, it really doesn’t, i looked on the wiki and there are parts i’ve yet to even see ever.

No three years Anet has not raised the level cap or added a new tier of gear, but they hid everything behind stupid time gates and grinds which is far far worse.. I’d have been fine with new levels and gear similar to core tyria if the content had been made for them.. I actually enjoyed leveling up seeing the world getting map completions and just killing stuff casually, but they ruined all that in Hot for “challenge” lol

Time gates you only have to do one time in order to get BIS gear, instead of raising the level cap and gear tier every three months. You might think that’s better, but I personally don’t.

They were meant to be long term goals and frankly they don’t even take that long and since you’re not a hard core player you’d hardly need them right away anyway.

First of all, trinkets are the easiest to get and trinkets give you the most bang for your bug. Weapons are next, followed by armor, which provides very little upgrade.

Basically if you’re not surviving in the HoT maps without ascended armor, you’re not going to survive them with ascended armor.

Do a handful of guild missions and you get get ascended earrings easily. Cash in 30 of your laurels for an amulet. And get rings from easy fractals, and yes, there are easy fractals.

That’s half the battle right there. At this point you’re complaining to complain. I finished my ascended stuff probably close to two years ago. You took a two year break.

But it’s not nearly as hard as you’re making it out to be, and you only have to do it once.