Guild Wars 2

Seriously ANET. Trying to introduce PvP to the PvE crowd via a storyline loophole? Seriously?

Sylvari may turned even the players.
What nonsense is this?
Lore wise, I would say you are pushing it. Ventari’s tablet was suppose to be the wall that the The Grove’s Sylvari’s could get “some” immunity from Mordremoth influences. But now, you are saying every Sylvari could changed even player characters.

Ok, I don’t really care about the lore too much but I can almost see what you are trying to do. You are trying to “force” a PvP into PvE with this. Say some players suddenly turned and could attack friendly players, so other friendly players have to attack those players that turned during PvE to make them come back to their senses. Is this your plan ANET?

Tell me. If this is your plan, I will delete all my Sylvari characters and make humans characters as their expansion equivalent of this nonsense is probably years away.

Or better yet, may I suggest you ANET, REMOVE the Sylvari race as playable character all together. That way, it will solve your story loophole that you yourself created and you can make an event where we players burn The Grove to the ground. Doesn’t matter if those Sylvari are good, they “WILL TURN” anyways according to you. So, wouldn’t it be a good idea for the other races to Pre-empt an attack to destroy the Sylvari first before they turn?

It was a good idea in Minority Report. Why not in this situation?

You’re reading a whole lot into one sentence. It could just mean in the LS and subsequent PS, it could mean your ’vari gets turned but then finds redemption in some manner. I have great faith that ANet will never force PvP in PvE zones as that gets rid of the “be glad to see another player” goal.

Donari.5237:

You’re reading a whole lot into one sentence. It could just mean in the LS and subsequent PS, it could mean your ’vari gets turned but then finds redemption in some manner. I have great faith that ANet will never force PvP in PvE zones as that gets rid of the “be glad to see another player” goal.

They are already doing all sort of stuff regarding eSport (PVP) with tourny’s and world series….etc. What makes you think they aren’t going to “force” a PvP in a PvE?
Faith in ANET? I think many people are losing “Faith” at ANET.

This Sylvari turning nonsense might be the one that broke the camel’s back. Many of us (probably) just want to play PvE without PvP and WvW creeping into it. I can still tolerate the stomping on the Toxic alliances Nightmare court.

Come to think about it, ANET was hinting about this PvP in a PvE with that Toxic alliance Nightmare court stomping. GG ANET.

I think I will be deleting my Sylvari now. Sad, it was a good race to play with, now back to humans.
And I will not be supporting this nonsense. no HoT for me. The core game is more than enough.

you are complaining about a hypothesis you made on your own. We have no idea what will take place. You don’t know if there is boundaries to this even if it unfolds as you hypothesis they would force anything. means you may have choice to be on a open world pvp or pve map. Anet doesn’t force anything but skill balancing. they haven’t since gw1. its not their style. they always give options.

besides that you have no reference but a single sentence and no data to base anything on. so like the rest of us wait for data not a single sentence from a single interview.

You’re reading a whole lot into that statement that isn’t actually there.

lady godiva pet.9530:

you are complaining about a hypothesis you made on your own. We have no idea what will take place. You don’t know if there is boundaries to this even if it unfolds as you hypothesis they would force anything. means you may have choice to be on a open world pvp or pve map. Anet doesn’t force anything but skill balancing. they haven’t since gw1. its not their style. they always give options.

besides that you have no reference but a single sentence and no data to base anything on. so like the rest of us wait for data not a single sentence from a single interview.

True. I admit.

But it may be possible for them to do this since they already did the stomping thing in PvE with the Toxic Alliance.

RoseofGilead.8907:

You’re reading a whole lot into that statement that isn’t actually there.

If they dare say it, what makes you think it is not going to happen? If they already can say something like that…. what is to stopping them from not doing what they are saying?

there is no data to back it up. like said above by Donari.5237 it could mean many things. without the data, to theorize, it doesn’t say much. It could mean you have the option to change and run an evil story line instead of a good guy, It could be open world pvp, It could be you are called and flip back and forth in story line, like scarlet heard voices etc. too many what ifs to give up on anything yet.

True, again.

but I still think ANET is shoehorning PvP into PvE and forcing players to do some PvP to get them hook.

That is what I am thinking and from the way ANET can say such a thing even if it is just brazen theory without any data to back it up, there is always that possibility that ANET is doing something similar. They have already make stomping possible with the toxic alliance. They were planning all this way before the LS started (I guess). And with them prioritizing their eSport PvP.
But I felt this is a path they are going with. And that is a very scary though.
Anyways, this is what I think, if you disagree, it’s ok. That is our right, I am just voicing out my concerns. And if ANET reads it and say “We don’t care what you think.” It is also ok.
I am just telling them I will not be supporting them from now on. And deleting my Sylvari, why not? It’s not as if playing a Sylvari makes any differences from playing as a human.
Time to use those tomes.

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage. When it really happens, I hope you will eat it.

Anyways, it is just my concerns ok. If you think it is garbage, cool. Fine with me as long as I get to say what I want to say. Garbage or not.

You’re funny, I like you.

Bah. Never will happen. It’s against one of the core pillars of the game.

Too many tinfoil sales, I guess.

Also, since you have stated you will not be purchasing Heart of Thorns, you have nothing to worry about. Any new Sylvari story will be only accessible through the expansion.

Good luck.

OP, I don’t suspect we’ll see any PvP in PvE, at all. I think you’re over reacting on very little info.

You know there’s already a thread for this… right here.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Leah-Hoyer-Any-Sylvari-could-turn/

OP you’re not saying anything particularly unique, or deserving of it’s own thread.

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage. When it really happens, I hope you will eat it.

Anyways, it is just my concerns ok. If you think it is garbage, cool. Fine with me as long as I get to say what I want to say. Garbage or not.

It’s fine to have concerns. You could have posted something like, “Leah Hoyer talked about Sylvari players turning. I really hope that doesn’t mean they are going to force PvP into open world PvE, I think that would be a terrible idea.” I would have agreed with you and nodded sagely.

Instead, you posted as if your hypothesis is all but a certainty and started ranting. Now I’m shaking my head at how much you sound like a nutty conspiracy theorist.

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage. When it really happens, I hope you will eat it.

Anyways, it is just my concerns ok. If you think it is garbage, cool. Fine with me as long as I get to say what I want to say. Garbage or not.

He did not call you garbage.

I hope some PC Sylvari do turn, as we get closer to Mordremoth. It would make sense AND will be fun.

glehmann.9586:

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage. When it really happens, I hope you will eat it.

Anyways, it is just my concerns ok. If you think it is garbage, cool. Fine with me as long as I get to say what I want to say. Garbage or not.

It’s fine to have concerns. You could have posted something like, “Leah Hoyer talked about Sylvari players turning. I really hope that doesn’t mean they are going to force PvP into open world PvE, I think that would be a terrible idea.” I would have agreed with you and nodded sagely.

Instead, you posted as if your hypothesis is all but a certainty and started ranting. Now I’m shaking my head at how much you sound like a nutty conspiracy theorist.

Maybe I should have done that. Yeah, I admit I was a bit paranoid. However, it is just my concerns. Thanks for pointing out my error.

CureForLiving.5360:

You know there’s already a thread for this… right here.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/Leah-Hoyer-Any-Sylvari-could-turn/

OP you’re not saying anything particularly unique, or deserving of it’s own thread.

Don’t worry, when the mods read this, they will do their thing. Doesn’t matter to me.

dietzero.3514:

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage. When it really happens, I hope you will eat it.

Anyways, it is just my concerns ok. If you think it is garbage, cool. Fine with me as long as I get to say what I want to say. Garbage or not.

He did not call you garbage.

I hope some PC Sylvari do turn, as we get closer to Mordremoth. It would make sense AND will be fun.

Starting to think I should have…

dietzero.3514:

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage. When it really happens, I hope you will eat it.

Anyways, it is just my concerns ok. If you think it is garbage, cool. Fine with me as long as I get to say what I want to say. Garbage or not.

He did not call you garbage.

I hope some PC Sylvari do turn, as we get closer to Mordremoth. It would make sense AND will be fun.

“will be” and “want it to be” are two different things, you might like it but i would want to avoid that like the plague….

CobaltSixty.1542:

dietzero.3514:

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage. When it really happens, I hope you will eat it.

Anyways, it is just my concerns ok. If you think it is garbage, cool. Fine with me as long as I get to say what I want to say. Garbage or not.

He did not call you garbage.

I hope some PC Sylvari do turn, as we get closer to Mordremoth. It would make sense AND will be fun.

Starting to think I should have…

It’s cool actually if you want to call me garbage. Just be prepare to eat your words when this come true.
If it doesn’t, I will apologize to you and eat my words.

If it would be true I would definitely play the HoT with silvary so I could attack other people … it would be so much fun …

… but seriously we all know it won’t happen cuz “that cry river” of all the baddies (more than 50% of GW2 playerbase) who can only 1111111 all day long

Hell I’m going to make silvary thief right now just in case 3:)

I don’t think it is Anet’s intension, it is what story plot leads only.

But if any kind of PvP suddenly got introduced into PvE, i am sure it is time for me to stop playing.

you know there is this thing called wvw this is already pvp in a “pve” environment
there is absolutely no reason why a-net would decide to do this in the main pve maps other then maybe add a dual option (which is very doubtful) and really if that would stop you from buying HOT your loss really. looks too me like you are just to cheap to buy it and use this one sentence which doesn’t imply any of your tinfoil hat theory.
just come to the realisation and don’t come up with a kittened theory just so you dont have to spend 50$ so now you can blaim it on anet

I think this idea is not based on a lot to be really honest. Anet value’s PvE quite a lot.

Please don’t freak out without knowing if it will actually happen okay? Imagine you’re a dev and you need to read stuff like this everyday? People assume a lot of things without having them confirmed. Anyways back to the story!:

There’s lot’s of things they can do if they want to add PvP to PvE (Which I personally doubt):

- Dual option, where both players accept and can duel in a map

- One or two maps where people can attack each other. (Shouldn’t be too much of a problem if you ask me, it’s kind of like WvW but then Free4All)

- Something like Jade Quarry of the old GW1. Aka you queue up and do a team fight for your server. Personally I think this would be cool. But I doubt it will be there.:P

It was probably just something to make the story exciting.

SirDrygan.1823

I can still tolerate the stomping on the Toxic alliances Nightmare court.

What a terrible pvp invasion to pve that was!
Sir, you need to eat more steaks if you don’t like stomping cabbage.

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage.

He didn’t call you garbage, he called your topic garbage, on which I agree with him.
You could have made a topic asking if your theory could happen, or what is our opinion about your theory, but instead you simply attack ANet based in a quite ridiculous theory you created from barely nothing.

When she made that comment she also said that players should try and play through with a Sylvari at some point.

I think all “turning” will be done in instances rather than in open world. Someone above mentioned this as well.

It seems obvious to me that ANet has been very diligent about keeping any PvP/WvW and PvE separate.

OP, as I stated in the other thread, Anet will not do it.

Yes, we may see some type of internal struggle via some extra dialog for a Sylvari player character, but Anet will never actually let the player character turn evil.

Yes, if they did allow it, it could open up some limited open world pvp options, but it wouldn’t be what open world pvp advocates are actually looking for. As such, they still wouldn’t be happy, which would produce just that much more whining. All the more reason for Anet to not bother in the first place.

jheryn.8390:

When she made that comment she also said that players should try and play through with a Sylvari at some point.

I think all “turning” will be done in instances rather than in open world. Someone above mentioned this as well.

It seems obvious to me that ANet has been very diligent about keeping any PvP/WvW and PvE separate.

Yeah, there will never be any “open world” PvP (apart from possibly duelling if you count that) that’s what WvW is for.

I think you’re quite right about any possible “turning” being in story instances. I don’t think that the player character will be able to end the instance after having “turned” to Mordremoth, maybe they will be tempted or almost turned.

But there is no possibility for players to “serve” Mordremoth in the open world and work against players, gods, can you imagine how much worse the griefers would be if they have a “legitimate” reason for their crappy behaviour?

PVP with actual context? World PVP? Sounds amazing! Now THAT would get PvP’ers excited.

I say bring it!

Here is what they have said before about bringing in open world PvP.

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/TemperHoof/072012/23486_Guild-Wars-2-Redefines-Open-World-PVP
“The overall design for Guild Wars 2 does not support fully open world PvP and it would take a prohibitive amount of work to even make it possible. World versus world is our version of open world PvP, and while it isn’t ‘true’ open world PvP for more PvP purists, it does contain many of the elements that make world PvP so exciting. Hopefully it will mostly satisfy people that want open world PvP.” — Mike Ferguson

In addition they said that they want their PvE maps to be cooperative, not competitive. Open world PvP goes against their vision of what they want Guild Wars 2 to be. They would have to make a complete turnaround to have PvE maps with PvP in it except for special events such as during beta before launch.

SirDrygan.1823:

Seriously ANET. Trying to introduce PvP to the PvE crowd via a storyline loophole? Seriously?

Sylvari may turned even the players.
What nonsense is this?
Lore wise, I would say you are pushing it. Ventari’s tablet was suppose to be the wall that the The Grove’s Sylvari’s could get “some” immunity from Mordremoth influences. But now, you are saying every Sylvari could changed even player characters.

Ok, I don’t really care about the lore too much but I can almost see what you are trying to do. You are trying to “force” a PvP into PvE with this. Say some players suddenly turned and could attack friendly players, so other friendly players have to attack those players that turned during PvE to make them come back to their senses. Is this your plan ANET?

Tell me. If this is your plan, I will delete all my Sylvari characters and make humans characters as their expansion equivalent of this nonsense is probably years away.

Or better yet, may I suggest you ANET, REMOVE the Sylvari race as playable character all together. That way, it will solve your story loophole that you yourself created and you can make an event where we players burn The Grove to the ground. Doesn’t matter if those Sylvari are good, they “WILL TURN” anyways according to you. So, wouldn’t it be a good idea for the other races to Pre-empt an attack to destroy the Sylvari first before they turn?

It was a good idea in Minority Report. Why not in this situation?

Oh i hope so much that this will happen. The more pvp the better, also pvp in pve zones have alot more smaller battles and 1v1s that i enjoy more then the giant zerg vs zerg. Please anet do this!!!!!

I’ve seen absolutely nothing to suggest pvp in pve map. Certainly that quote from the other thread can’t possibly be the basis of this “fact” since it could refer to any number of things.

Or have I missed something that has actually been announced?

If you delete your Sylvari characters, can I have your stuff?

ekarat.1085:

If you delete your Sylvari characters, can I have your stuff?

/thread

The devs are professional babysitters don’t forget that.

The new living story model is supposed to offer single episode branches. They’ve already mentioned that Sylvari will have special options. They were likely referring to that.

PvP in actual open world PvE is never going to happen. It simply goes against one of their core designs. They could however do it in the beta again, like how they did the branded event.

PvP can be done in the PvE world.

The Branded event during beta.

The SW bandit event also gave the option to be flagged for PvP in PvE world, a “bug” later fixed.

Wetpaw.3487:

PvP can be done in the PvE world. Branded event and SW bandit event that gave the option to be flagged for PvP in PvE world. A “bug” later fixed.

The first example wasn’t a bug, though; that was a beta weekend finale.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Wetpaw.3487:

PvP can be done in the PvE world. Branded event and SW bandit event that gave the option to be flagged for PvP in PvE world. A “bug” later fixed.

The first example wasn’t a bug, though; that was a beta weekend finale.

fixed*

The Branded event is still my favorite open world event from GW2.

I think you’re reading a little too much into it. I believe a huge percentage of the playerbase wants nothing to do with PvP in the open world.

SirDrygan.1823:

I think I will be deleting my Sylvari now. Sad, it was a good race to play with, now back to humans.
And I will not be supporting this nonsense. no HoT for me. The core game is more than enough.

Lost Interest and stopped taking you seriously at that point lol

On brighter news, one less person to compete with when it comes to content ^-^!

Wolfey.3407:

SirDrygan.1823:

I think I will be deleting my Sylvari now. Sad, it was a good race to play with, now back to humans.
And I will not be supporting this nonsense. no HoT for me. The core game is more than enough.

Lost Interest and stopped taking you seriously at that point lol

On brighter news, one less person to compete with when it comes to content ^-^!

Compete what content with you? If you tell me during a PvE event to step away for you to solo, I will gladly step away for you to finish, while I wait for the next one. Or come back later. I do not need to compete with anyone in PvE. If I missed that exclusive item, so be it. I will try to get the next one. I PvE for the fun. Not to compete.
I don’t PvP, so I am not competing with you there.
I WvW for fun. I don’t care if my server got relegated to tier 10 or 11 or 13 or last place and turn into a barren wasteland.

Healix.5819:

The new living story model is supposed to offer single episode branches. They’ve already mentioned that Sylvari will have special options. They were likely referring to that.

PvP in actual open world PvE is never going to happen. It simply goes against one of their core designs. They could however do it in the beta again, like how they did the branded event.

Thanks for the info.

ekarat.1085:

If you delete your Sylvari characters, can I have your stuff?

I did not say I am quitting. I am just deleting my Sylvari. I still have my human, norn, charr and asuran characters.

Belzebu.3912:

SirDrygan.1823:

CobaltSixty.1542:

There are crackpot theories posted every day.

Then there is this garbage.

Thank you for saying I am garbage.

He didn’t call you garbage, he called your topic garbage, on which I agree with him.
You could have made a topic asking if your theory could happen, or what is our opinion about your theory, but instead you simply attack ANet based in a quite ridiculous theory you created from barely nothing.

Because ANET may do it. That is why I attack ANET straight on. Which some people in this thread said it was a bad idea. And I agree. I was too paranoid at the beginning. I should have did it another way. Like your way or some other way that was mentioned in this thread.

Ok anet cant win now they get flame for stuff they “maybe will do in the future”
I think its time for anet to put up a second wall of silence if this is how some people are going to react.

Donari.5237:

I have great faith that ANet will never force PvP in PvE zones as that gets rid of the “be glad to see another player” goal.

They forced PvE onto WvW/PvP, just look at Stonghold and Golem week… I wouldn’t put it past them.

SirDrygan.1823:

ekarat.1085:

If you delete your Sylvari characters, can I have your stuff?

I did not say I am quitting. I am just deleting my Sylvari. I still have my human, norn, charr and asuran characters.

Why would you delete your Sylvari? This is very likely only tied to the story mode. In fact, having your Sylvari and having a non-Sylvari do the story of HoT could possibly increase the amount of story you get to see; one from the Slyvari’s perspective and one from a non-Sylvari’s perspective.

They are not introducing open-world PvP. They have WvW for that. At most, there will probably be a story instance where your Sylvari’s mind gets warped and you think you are killing enemies, but you snap back to reality and find you just slaughtered a bunch of allies. This is a relatively common trope and would fall in line with what is happening since Mordremoth’s “invasion”.

your statement is completely non-speculative and your reaction in no way ridiculously over the top. Carry on. Make sure to delete every of your Sylvari. I heard otherwise they will be locked undeletable in hostile mode as long as the Mordry arc continues. Better be safe than sorry.

The important word that everyone is glossing over is “MAY”, and Leah specifically said the story is going to be different for Sylvari from the other characters…which if you want to read between the lines means that it’s entirely encased within the story and not going to be in open world.

Zaklex.6308:

The important word that everyone is glossing over is “MAY”, and Leah specifically said the story is going to be different for Sylvari from the other characters…which if you want to read between the lines means that it’s entirely encased within the story and not going to be in open world.

^OMG! Don’t start with the common sense. You’ll scare people.

Zaklex.6308:

The important word that everyone is glossing over is “MAY”, and Leah specifically said the story is going to be different for Sylvari from the other characters…which if you want to read between the lines means that it’s entirely encased within the story and not going to be in open world.

I MAY be glossing over the MAY, but if someone from ANET can say something like that, it means they have thought about it. Again, this is my speculation and opinion. It may be garbage to some, but it’s just my opinion.

The scenario in the Open World is that anyone using Sylvari suddenly could attack friendly players. Randomly. then those other players either kill the “turned” player in the pretence to make them “get back to their senses” aka rezzing them after killing them. Or if that player is good, they could kill the friendly(s) and can continue to do so until they get kill.

It could be done. “Could”.

Linken.6345:

Ok anet cant win now they get flame for stuff they “maybe will do in the future”
I think its time for anet to put up a second wall of silence if this is how some people are going to react.

It was my mistake for attacking ANET like that.

sephiroth.4217:

Donari.5237:

I have great faith that ANet will never force PvP in PvE zones as that gets rid of the “be glad to see another player” goal.

They forced PvE onto WvW/PvP, just look at Stonghold and Golem week… I wouldn’t put it past them.

Golem week had forced PvE? I thought WvW already got some PvE elements in it?

Algreg.3629:

your statement is completely non-speculative and your reaction in no way ridiculously over the top. Carry on. Make sure to delete every of your Sylvari. I heard otherwise they will be locked undeletable in hostile mode as long as the Mordry arc continues. Better be safe than sorry.

yes yes. I admit I was paranoid. My mistake.

The PvP that ANet has is voluntary. You have to go to a particular PvP/WvW area to access it or it’s a one time special event that you can avoid by going to another map or logging out. They have never, that I can think of, have had required PvP in a PvE map. Their philosophy, from Guild Wars 1 days, is cooperation in the PvE maps and there is absolutely no indication they’ve turned from this. I would expect what the quote refers to, to happen in a story line instance and have a Sylvari character turn against you or your Sylvari char briefly turn against the NPCs in the instance.