Guild Wars 2

I just wanted to say that I, as a non-engineer and non-elementalist player, found it exceedingly strange that the quasi-revealed ‘scrapper’ elite spec totally overshadows the tempest elite spec in core themes.

Yes: more information will be revealed in the PoI and we don’t know everything. HOWEVER.

- Screenshots show lightning effects that far outstrip current ele ‘air-attunement’ abilities. Engineer can ‘call down a massive lightning strike’ with hammer 5 whereas any elementalist ability at most will produce a stick-thin spark. I could understand an electrical discharge effect when striking the target, afterall engineers are technology based… but the animation clearly shows they just sort of.. beseech the sky and a furious thunderbolt slams down — it looks so much more like an elementalist skill than an engineer one.

- Hammer 4 covers your hammer with lightning that will passively strike nearby enemies and block attacks for its duration… This sounds a LOT like harnessing an electrical STORM to your character’s action… something the TEMPEST sounded like it should be able to do with it’s overload, but it was given to the engineer as well — with the added effect of blocking incoming attacks. I just pray that this isn’t an effect that you place on yourself, and that it does in fact lock you into a cancel-able animation like every other block in the game.

As I said, I do not main either of these professions, and indeed perhaps the Scrapper (once fully revealed) will pique my interest and get me to play a mostly un-used alt. What I don’t get is why two elite specs were so similar. I can understand if later down the line, when there are 3-4 elite specs available then there is some re-iteration of themes with each class giving a unique take on an archetype; but this is the first wave! YES I know that the scrapper is about more than lightning effects, but two of it’s unique weapon’s most iconic skills just stamp all over elementalists hopes and dreams.

I am not a engi player or an ele player, but even I feel bad for the elementalists that look at these abilities and think “Maybe one day that will be us.”

Sounds like Mjolnir, and subsequently charged lodestones are going to get a nasty spike in price >.<

ScribeTheMad.7614:

Sounds like Mjolnir, and subsequently charged lodestones are going to get a nasty spike in price >.<

I crafted my juggernaut already & farm CoE on a daily basis…
My purse is smiling.

Sits down at brainstorming session for engr spec… time goes by, decisions are being made, we settle on a hammer as the weapon.

dev1: ‘wat kinda skills could we use w/ a hammer’
dev2: ‘i dunno, thor kinda lightning be kool’
dev1+every1: ‘i lik it, we’ll fit dat in therr’

Jaxom.7310:

Sits down at brainstorming session for engr spec… time goes by, decisions are being made, we settle on a hammer as the weapon.

dev1: ‘wat kinda skills could we use w/ a hammer’
dev2: ‘i dunno, thor kinda lightning be kool’
dev1+every1: ‘i lik it, we’ll fit dat in therr’

Yeah, I can see wanting to tie in some sort of ‘thor’ theme to capitalize on current movie success, but these aren’t really in line with Thor either. These are almost branching out from a more magical standpoint. I know Thor can summon lightning strikes, but most iterations I’ve seen (which are few, I admit) have him at least gesture towards the target with his hammer. Engie Hammer 5 just looks like a touchdown victory celebration.

In all honesty, the most galling thing is that these are just 2 skills. 2 skills that go AT THE END OF THE SKILL BAR. These could legitimately have been on the warhorn:

Air attunement WH 4:

Name: Storms Defense
Effect: Grant all nearby allies shocking aura and Aegis for 5s. on a 25s CD.

Air attunement WH5:

Name: Stormcaller
Effect: Call down a lightning strike on target foe dealing damage. It and nearby enemies are weakened for 4s. 35s CD

EDIT:

Alternate effect for “stormcaller”: Target takes dmg and is stunned for 1s, nearby enemies are dazed for 2s.

Oberon Vex.1389:

Jaxom.7310:

Sits down at brainstorming session for engr spec… time goes by, decisions are being made, we settle on a hammer as the weapon.

dev1: ‘wat kinda skills could we use w/ a hammer’
dev2: ‘i dunno, thor kinda lightning be kool’
dev1+every1: ‘i lik it, we’ll fit dat in therr’

Yeah, I can see wanting to tie in some sort of ‘thor’ theme to capitalize on current movie success, but these aren’t really in line with Thor either. These are almost branching out from a more magical standpoint. I know Thor can summon lightning strikes, but most iterations I’ve seen (which are few, I admit) have him at least gesture towards the target with his hammer. Engie Hammer 5 just looks like a touchdown victory celebration.

In all honesty, the most galling thing is that these are just 2 skills. 2 skills that go AT THE END OF THE SKILL BAR. These could legitimately have been on the warhorn:

Air attunement WH 4:

Name: Storms Defense
Effect: Grant all nearby allies shocking aura and Aegis for 5s. on a 25s CD.

Air attunement WH5:

Name: Stormcaller
Effect: Call down a lightning strike on target foe dealing damage. It and nearby enemies are weakened for 4s. 35s CD

EDIT:

Alternate effect for “stormcaller”: Target takes dmg and is stunned for 1s, nearby enemies are dazed for 2s.

Engie Devs and Ele Devs sit down to have a discussion about how their elites are going. They both have the same ideas for their respective weapons and argue who gets to use the ideas. They finally decide to end the argument over a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors (best out of three), Karl loses and subsequently has to redesign Tempest.

tbh I’m more concerned about why thrd party websites have aready “reveal” of engineer elite specialisation while there is none of OFFICIAL news page….

I really wouldn’t say it was ‘lightning’ focused, so much as electricity in general. Hey they’re engineers, coal and steampower don’t have to be their only energy sources.

Thor !

/15char……………………

Lord Trejgon.2809:

tbh I’m more concerned about why third party websites have already “reveal” of engineer elite specialisation while there is none of OFFICIAL news page….

ANet ‘leaks’ to popular sites to generate buzz. They’re masters of the Hypetrain, even if they let it run too long.

I’m curious if this lightning shtick is going to sustain with the gyro-drone thingies. Like maybe a line of electricity in between Scrapper and gyro that does damage to targets in between.

That lightning strike is out of place.

So…a class specialization that is all about creating and using electronic robots has an electric theme to the weapon…

and this is shocking to you?

Yea, that pun was bad, but the arguments here are worse.

Dahkeus.8243:

So…a class specialization that is all about creating and using electronic robots has an electric theme to the weapon…

and this is shocking to you?

Yea, that pun was bad, but the arguments here are worse.

Yes…because the lightning effect/skill in that screenshot is 10x more impressive then what an ele could ever dream of doing..and that’s a pure elemental magic type. Like the OP stated he can barely do a spark…but the engie? He’s kitteng Gandalf and Sauron in 1 character.

As others said…completely out of place. The animation/effect itself.

Rebound.3409:

Dahkeus.8243:

So…a class specialization that is all about creating and using electronic robots has an electric theme to the weapon…

and this is shocking to you?

Yea, that pun was bad, but the arguments here are worse.

Yes…because the lightning effect/skill in that screenshot is 10x more impressive then what an ele could ever dream of doing..and that’s a pure elemental magic type. Like the OP stated he can barely do a spark…but the engie? He’s kitteng Gandalf and Sauron in 1 character.

As others said…completely out of place. The animation/effect itself.

You do realize that the lightning effect in that screenshot is really just a copy an existing ele spell animation, right? It’s pretty much the exact thing that happens every time a fresh air ele goes to air attunement. The only difference is that this is a high resolution, polished screenshot of it.

Also, where were all these complaints when engi got orbital strike on mortar?

I think people are just getting all ruffled up because someone at MMORPG mentioned an electricity theme that clearly wasn’t even fully intended. Feel free to read the full quote from the article:

MMORPG: The Hammer skills seem to deal a lot with electricity. Is there a reason behind this? Flamethrower covers the fire, obviously, other kits have poisons, is this the “electric” option?
ICH: I hadn’t considered it in terms of other kits, but yes, the hammer and Scrapper specialization do cover the electric theme.

Ele’s have never had, nor ever will have, anything to complain about.

Stark.1350:

Ele’s have never had, nor ever will have, anything to complain about.

You are either an overly competitive player and measure worth only by power, or do not have a single minute of playtime on the Ele.

You ever heard the expression “Winning isn’t everything”? Having the most powerful build in the game doesn’t mean much when its been your ONLY competitively viable build for three years.

And pardon me? Never? Your experience with the ele is showing again. We suffered through the better part of a year after the Cleric DD bunker build was gutted with zero competitive builds, unless you count the introduction of the joke of a build that is fresh air, or standing in the back of the WvW zerg with a staff.

And you know what our biggest justification for complaint is? That it’s all going to happen again, and again, and again. We will always have one build, we will always either be overpowered and on the chopping block, or underpowered and forgotten, because the developers refuse to admit their design goals concerning the attunement system were flawed from the start. We are stuck in a never ending cycle of nerfs and buffs because the developers seemingly refuse to admit there is even a problem, let alone are willing or working on any way to address it.

As someone who has been playing the Engi and has utterly fallen in love with the class, I find the spec pretty lame. If I wanted to be a warrior, I’d be one. if I wanted to be and ELE I’d be one. Seems a little lazy. However to those that say the lightening strike is totally out place that’s not exactly true. The orbital strike is a tool belt skill equipped with the mortar kit. its kind of like a called down thunder attack. So the precedent is there. but yeah the parallels between Thor and this new class are obvious and not very creative. kind of disappointed…

Well, it’s all clearly explained with science. We have satellites up there. Beside shooting down orbital lasers, they’re also probably equipped with some weather-related device. Both for weather reports and to change the weather itself whenever is needed (this also explains how the weather is almost always the same, in Tyria).

After all, that’s what we need to defeat those dragons. Zhaitan wasn’t defeated with some measly magic tricks, we used mechanical airships to do so. Magic can’t do much versus enemies that can eat that up for breakfast.
Leave your outdated magic ways in the past, the future lies in technology.

#technomancer2016 #engiarethefuture

TheScryingGame.3875:

As someone who has been playing the Engi and has utterly fallen in love with the class, I find the spec pretty lame. If I wanted to be a warrior, I’d be one. if I wanted to be and ELE I’d be one. Seems a little lazy. However to those that say the lightening strike is totally out place that’s not exactly true. The orbital strike is a tool belt skill equipped with the mortar kit. its kind of like a called down thunder attack. So the precedent is there. but yeah the parallels between Thor and this new class are obvious and not very creative. kind of disappointed…

How your mind accepts an engineer using orbital strikes indoors in a universe that’s never mentioned satellites while not being able to believe that an engineer can channel static electricity to shock an enemy with their big metal hammer, I will never understand…

Honestly the electric them fits well. Arc welding and tesla coils, perfectly non magical way to do the skills.

Manuhell.2759:

Well, it’s all clearly explained with science. We have satellites up there. Beside shooting down orbital lasers, they’re also probably equipped with some weather-related device. Both for weather reports and to change the weather itself whenever is needed (this also explains how the weather is almost always the same, in Tyria).

After all, that’s what we need to defeat those dragons. Zhaitan wasn’t defeated with some measly magic tricks, we used mechanical airships to do so. Magic can’t do much versus enemies that can eat that up for breakfast.
Leave your outdated magic ways in the past, the future lies in technology.

#technomancer2016 #engiarethefuture

The Technocracy must really love you.

Oberon Vex.1389:

I am not a engi player or an ele player, but even I feel bad for the elementalists that look at these abilities and think “Maybe one day that will be us.”

I am perfectly happy with my lightning whips and ride the lightning.

Stark.1350:

Ele’s have never had, nor ever will have, anything to complain about.

Not true, they have always been in a good spot but just because you are bitter doesn’t mean that they deserved the Tempest to be so disappointingly designed. I’m not saying all elites have to better than the original class but they should be on par. Tempest is not, TBH I really don’t even know wth the was going through the dev mind when designing the Tempest. Players do reserve the right to be unhappy with the new specialization when they are sub par and quite frankly seem to have had no thought put into it. This goes for all classes not just Ele, maybe you should put down the hatorade and hope for an all around well balanced and fun for everyone game.

How your mind accepts an engineer using orbital strikes indoors in a universe that’s never mentioned satellites while not being able to believe that an engineer can channel static electricity to shock an enemy with their big metal hammer, I will never understand…

Nowhere in my post did I mention any sort of conflict with the Lore of the game. It has nothing to do with “believing” anything. Its a fantasy game, I check my rational faculties at the door. I was showing where the Engi already was using such technique and expressing my advanced disappointment in the unimaginative overlap in design.

However since you bring it up… Airships… There are airships everywhere in the game.

How your mind can jump to wrong conclusions about someones statement is NOT hard to understand. You must have a simple one unburdened by exercise or challenge .