Guild Wars 2

Maris.3164:

Terrahero.9358:

Maris.3164:

Nope, HoT maps aren’t solo friendly. What do you want Anet to do about it? “Hardcore” players have asked for harder content for two years or so. To nerf the content now would be letting down the players who wanted harder content and were also promised it by Anet. The very people who bought HoT because harder content was promised.

Should Anet make more casual friendly content then? They have already catered for casuals for 3 years now but sure, why not. When they have the time.

Honestly though, I wouldn’t say the actual content on the maps is hard aside from maybe King of the jungle in TD. Some or most of the content just isn’t soloable. Joining or creating a guild (maybe just for casual players?) isn’t a bad idea.

Hmm, its almost like when you cater to one kind of demographic that that demographic grows larger. Then you switch it up, charge people full price for an expansion that is suddenly tailored for the minority of players, and act surprised that people are kittened?

They released an expansion that went directly against what they’ve been building up over the years and hyped their game to be before it even came out. It’s stupid to say “well, you got yours now we hardcore player tiny minority deserve to get ours”, because the hardcore crowd doesnt pay the bills.
If all the “casual” players would up and leave, and just the “hardcore” players would stick around, i can promise you GW2 will be shut down before Q3 2016.

You are right, the majority of the players are casual.

However, everybody knew that HoT content would be slightly more challenging than the central Tyrian content as Anet was very much open about it. It wasn’t “suddenly” tailored to “hardcore” players, this was known all along. This is what was asked of them. Players demanded it and Anet delivered. I didn’t see anyone complaining back then when it was announced that the expansion content would be more challenging.

Furthermore I find it shortsighted and well, selfish to say ‘because we are the majority, we should always get what we want regardless of what others want.’ Anet is trying to cater to both types of players. I don’t see an issue with that.

I personally don’t think the content in HoT is really that hard. The difficulty comes in when you want to solo absolutely everything. You cannot and you should accept it. For random exploring and story all you need is one friend to help you out if you really are struggling.

Would it be too much of a trouble to ask a friend to join in and help with hero points? Or wait around for others to show up? I highly doubt people will stop running the events or doing the hero points on HoT maps anytime soon and there’s always someone willing to help if you do find yourself alone.

There’s one gigantic flaw here. The casual player base too wanted an expansion, because frankly, not much has been added to the game since launch, content wise. What little things were added, were usually either a smallish zone or temporary in nature. Many stopped playing for lack of new things to do.

It’s my assumption this casual player base is the majority. So why have an expansion that caters to a minority, unless you are actually aiming to get NEW players with different preferences. Which, historically, hasn’t exactly been proven the best idea ever for MMOs.

It’s really quite simple.

Sure the new content was advertised as being harder. What they did’nt mention is that this was going to be the only content on offer. All they needed to do was release another four maps of “watch netflix and spam 1111” or whatever the “hardcore” call such content to keep everyone happy.

It’s not the fact the new content is harder, something I personally enjoy, as opposed to the fact they released nothing…NOTHING…on par with the open-world PvE content up to that point.

That’s stupid.

Slowpokeking.8720:

GW1 is the most solo friendly MMO I’ve ever played

Thats because GW1 is not a MMO but a CORPG (Competitive/Cooperative Online Role Playing Game).

Slowpokeking.8720:

In GW2 it was not the same,

Of course, because GW2 is a MMORPG.

According to Wiki: “After the release of Guild Wars Nightfall, development goals seemed to shift towards a more traditional MMO-styled experience, introducing concepts such as grind and PvE-only skills,…”

I like the fact that HoT has more challenging content. I just about became tired with all the quick kills on mobs that just stand in front of you with 1 hit every 3 secs.

I would like to see also open world content, which encourages the use of any other gear except zerker.

Nauticus.5769:

I like the fact that HoT has more challenging content. I just about became tired with all the quick kills on mobs that just stand in front of you with 1 hit every 3 secs.

I would like to see also open world content, which encourages the use of any other gear except zerker.

I like the enemies in HoT. Each feels pretty unique in how they fight, and when I take the time to think about turns out I have skills to counter them. It’s pretty cool.

Broom.2561:

Kal Spiro.9745:

eldrin.6471:

TD meta is a pushover compared to raids. and when did the people that played this game since launch ask for this crap? Anet decided to screw over there own player base to draw in a few raiders from wow.

That’s easy, since launch. People have been asking for Hardcore since launch. It became Hardcore when ANet decided to make an expansion, because people have been begging for Hardcore since launch. There are a lot of casuals and just bads who aren’t going to like it, but then there are also a lot of other people who want to be challenged and have not been since launch. Those people have been begging for and demanding this, and this is the result of that desire.

If you do not enjoy hardcore, or even just challenging, then I pity you. It’s your own fault, though, for not paying enough attention. They said it repeatedly. They told you it was coming. They never claimed it would be business as usual, they said it would be harder. That the entire point was endgame content for all those people than felt Orr wasn’t endgame enough and thought Liadri was the bomb. You were warned. It’s not ANet’s fault if you missed the warning, didn’t understand it, or ignored it.

Correction. In my experience, most people were fine with the core game as it was. A group of people of indeterminate size wanted ‘hard’ content, but I don’t think anyone ever did a poll of the game population to find out how large that group was. Personally, I THINK it wasn’t all that large, just very vocal.

It’s nice to shout ‘everyone was begging for it’, but that statement is not substantiated by numbers in any way. WHAT percentage of the population wanted this? And how wise is it to have a core game that specifically aims at casual gameplay and then turn around and to make an expansion that does anything but?

And worst of all, the expansion does it rather badly. It’s truly unwise to have complicated map metas and then not allow people who want to make a serious effort at it to select their own map. It’s just about as stupid as it gets to shove a raid gateway into a zone that depends on active participation to get a meta done. And forcing people to constantly use a badly designed LFG tool to get NORMAL map progression done is beyond words.

At what point did I ever say everyone? At what point did I even make an attempt to size the population. I said people, because that is the information I have. I don’t know, nor care, what the size was, what mattered was how long it had been a thing.

Broom.2561:

Maris.3164:

Terrahero.9358:

Maris.3164:

Nope, HoT maps aren’t solo friendly. What do you want Anet to do about it? “Hardcore” players have asked for harder content for two years or so. To nerf the content now would be letting down the players who wanted harder content and were also promised it by Anet. The very people who bought HoT because harder content was promised.

Should Anet make more casual friendly content then? They have already catered for casuals for 3 years now but sure, why not. When they have the time.

Honestly though, I wouldn’t say the actual content on the maps is hard aside from maybe King of the jungle in TD. Some or most of the content just isn’t soloable. Joining or creating a guild (maybe just for casual players?) isn’t a bad idea.

Hmm, its almost like when you cater to one kind of demographic that that demographic grows larger. Then you switch it up, charge people full price for an expansion that is suddenly tailored for the minority of players, and act surprised that people are kittened?

They released an expansion that went directly against what they’ve been building up over the years and hyped their game to be before it even came out. It’s stupid to say “well, you got yours now we hardcore player tiny minority deserve to get ours”, because the hardcore crowd doesnt pay the bills.
If all the “casual” players would up and leave, and just the “hardcore” players would stick around, i can promise you GW2 will be shut down before Q3 2016.

You are right, the majority of the players are casual.

However, everybody knew that HoT content would be slightly more challenging than the central Tyrian content as Anet was very much open about it. It wasn’t “suddenly” tailored to “hardcore” players, this was known all along. This is what was asked of them. Players demanded it and Anet delivered. I didn’t see anyone complaining back then when it was announced that the expansion content would be more challenging.

Furthermore I find it shortsighted and well, selfish to say ‘because we are the majority, we should always get what we want regardless of what others want.’ Anet is trying to cater to both types of players. I don’t see an issue with that.

I personally don’t think the content in HoT is really that hard. The difficulty comes in when you want to solo absolutely everything. You cannot and you should accept it. For random exploring and story all you need is one friend to help you out if you really are struggling.

Would it be too much of a trouble to ask a friend to join in and help with hero points? Or wait around for others to show up? I highly doubt people will stop running the events or doing the hero points on HoT maps anytime soon and there’s always someone willing to help if you do find yourself alone.

There’s one gigantic flaw here. The casual player base too wanted an expansion, because frankly, not much has been added to the game since launch, content wise. What little things were added, were usually either a smallish zone or temporary in nature. Many stopped playing for lack of new things to do.

It’s my assumption this casual player base is the majority. So why have an expansion that caters to a minority, unless you are actually aiming to get NEW players with different preferences. Which, historically, hasn’t exactly been proven the best idea ever for MMOs.

Why was the casual player base running out of things to do? I’m a casual, I never ran out of things to do in central Tyria, for three plus years. Hell, I still have things to do, and I’ve still been running characters around in there along with playing in HoT. Casuals get by, Hardcore without much time burn through things, Hardcore with too much time burn through things immediately. Those are the people who demanded an expansion, and those are the people who got one.

Nauticus.5769:

I would like to see also open world content, which encourages the use of any other gear except zerker.

Right after they introduce a working builds system.

Sicarius.4639:

Nauticus.5769:

I would like to see also open world content, which encourages the use of any other gear except zerker.

Right after they introduce a working builds system.

So Soon™ right, right?!?

Tommyknocker.6089:

Sicarius.4639:

Nauticus.5769:

I would like to see also open world content, which encourages the use of any other gear except zerker.

Right after they introduce a working builds system.

So Soon™ right, right?!?

Depends on our definition of soon or Anets? If it’s Anet, use dog years.

Shen Slayer.3058:

Tommyknocker.6089:

Sicarius.4639:

Nauticus.5769:

I would like to see also open world content, which encourages the use of any other gear except zerker.

Right after they introduce a working builds system.

So Soon™ right, right?!?

Depends on our definition of soon or Anets? If it’s Anet, use dog years.

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TexZero.7910:

Dresdoe.7503:

Sicarius.4639:

Hey! Those 4000 odd people watching that stream think it’s highly valuable!

The people who watch streams are the cancer that needs to be purged from the internet. I mean seriously they contribute zilch to the community as a whole, whereas those of us that have actually supported the game have been kicked to the curb in order to encourage…..what? people to watch? this is so disturbing to me.

Really calling people who watch streams cancer now ?

That’s mighty low, especially from what is supposed to be a friendly community. Shame that PvE players are being so toxic, instead of constructive and a staple part of the community that thrives to show their best sides…..

As for contributing nothing, really….can you tell me all the solo “causal” etc contribute anything more outside of constant complaints founded only in the basis that they are too stubborn or unwilling to learn/adapt ?

The whole anti eSports crusade is a sad joke on the communities part. You don’t have to like, understand or even remotely care why its a thing, but refrain from the petty and nonsensical and baseless attacks on people who enjoy something you do not.

you seem completely ignorant to the fact that PvE players have sustained this game as the majority purchasers of gems which are the financial backbone to this game, seeing how this games streaming accounts are joking unpopular they are not even relevant to the profits generated by GW2. Arenanet is trying to force this change, which is the stupid part of it all which is why I blame everyone who watches people play games instead of actually playing them. Can you not see how their not playing is ruining our game we have up til now fully supported? They have literally SAW something that was ours and mutilated it. I stick to my original comment, people who watch streams are the equivalent of cancer to those of us who actually play and don’t care about streaming. I’ve paid hundreds of dollars to play this game and enjoy it and it’s all being twisted and warped into some trash that I don’t even have interest in. If I wanted a hardcore pvp stream experience I’d play something revolving entirely around PvP, not take an mmorpg and try to turn it into some busted, falling apart, unbalanced wreck like it is now. I understand that you think they should have a right to watch us play and not get labeled as cancer and that’s true, but when it starts leading the the developers down some messed up road that I have not ever cared about nor want to care about that creates a problem that cannot be ignored.

Dresdoe.7503:

TexZero.7910:

Dresdoe.7503:

Sicarius.4639:

Hey! Those 4000 odd people watching that stream think it’s highly valuable!

The people who watch streams are the cancer that needs to be purged from the internet. I mean seriously they contribute zilch to the community as a whole, whereas those of us that have actually supported the game have been kicked to the curb in order to encourage…..what? people to watch? this is so disturbing to me.

Really calling people who watch streams cancer now ?

That’s mighty low, especially from what is supposed to be a friendly community. Shame that PvE players are being so toxic, instead of constructive and a staple part of the community that thrives to show their best sides…..

As for contributing nothing, really….can you tell me all the solo “causal” etc contribute anything more outside of constant complaints founded only in the basis that they are too stubborn or unwilling to learn/adapt ?

The whole anti eSports crusade is a sad joke on the communities part. You don’t have to like, understand or even remotely care why its a thing, but refrain from the petty and nonsensical and baseless attacks on people who enjoy something you do not.

you seem completely ignorant to the fact that PvE players have sustained this game as the majority purchasers of gems which are the financial backbone to this game, seeing how this games streaming accounts are joking unpopular they are not even relevant to the profits generated by GW2. Arenanet is trying to force this change, which is the stupid part of it all which is why I blame everyone who watches people play games instead of actually playing them. Can you not see how their not playing is ruining our game we have up til now fully supported? They have literally SAW something that was ours and mutilated it. I stick to my original comment, people who watch streams are the equivalent of cancer to those of us who actually play and don’t care about streaming. I’ve paid hundreds of dollars to play this game and enjoy it and it’s all being twisted and warped into some trash that I don’t even have interest in. If I wanted a hardcore pvp stream experience I’d play something revolving entirely around PvP, not take an mmorpg and try to turn it into some busted, falling apart, unbalanced wreck like it is now. I understand that you think they should have a right to watch us play and not get labeled as cancer and that’s true, but when it starts leading the the developers down some messed up road that I have not ever cared about nor want to care about that creates a problem that cannot be ignored.

Post your figures….I await how you know exactly who the biggest backers of this game.

You’re posting from a position of extreme bias, and it’s cute to label someone as ignorant when you have nothing but your own anecdote to go on.

Additionally, you seem to be under-informed or misinformed if you truly believe you cannot watch a stream, and play the game. People do it all the time and in fact the game itself has its own twitch stream where-in it promotes all gameplay facets, showcases recent updates, and even does community related shout outs to its artist.

So please continue shouting on your soapbox about how people not being in game is hurting the game, when many of the ways people are coming into the game come from sources other than traditional media or gameplay.

TexZero.7910:

Dresdoe.7503:

TexZero.7910:

Dresdoe.7503:

Sicarius.4639:

Hey! Those 4000 odd people watching that stream think it’s highly valuable!

The people who watch streams are the cancer that needs to be purged from the internet. I mean seriously they contribute zilch to the community as a whole, whereas those of us that have actually supported the game have been kicked to the curb in order to encourage…..what? people to watch? this is so disturbing to me.

Really calling people who watch streams cancer now ?

That’s mighty low, especially from what is supposed to be a friendly community. Shame that PvE players are being so toxic, instead of constructive and a staple part of the community that thrives to show their best sides…..

As for contributing nothing, really….can you tell me all the solo “causal” etc contribute anything more outside of constant complaints founded only in the basis that they are too stubborn or unwilling to learn/adapt ?

The whole anti eSports crusade is a sad joke on the communities part. You don’t have to like, understand or even remotely care why its a thing, but refrain from the petty and nonsensical and baseless attacks on people who enjoy something you do not.

you seem completely ignorant to the fact that PvE players have sustained this game as the majority purchasers of gems which are the financial backbone to this game, seeing how this games streaming accounts are joking unpopular they are not even relevant to the profits generated by GW2. Arenanet is trying to force this change, which is the stupid part of it all which is why I blame everyone who watches people play games instead of actually playing them. Can you not see how their not playing is ruining our game we have up til now fully supported? They have literally SAW something that was ours and mutilated it. I stick to my original comment, people who watch streams are the equivalent of cancer to those of us who actually play and don’t care about streaming. I’ve paid hundreds of dollars to play this game and enjoy it and it’s all being twisted and warped into some trash that I don’t even have interest in. If I wanted a hardcore pvp stream experience I’d play something revolving entirely around PvP, not take an mmorpg and try to turn it into some busted, falling apart, unbalanced wreck like it is now. I understand that you think they should have a right to watch us play and not get labeled as cancer and that’s true, but when it starts leading the the developers down some messed up road that I have not ever cared about nor want to care about that creates a problem that cannot be ignored.

Post your figures….I await how you know exactly who the biggest backers of this game.

You’re posting from a position of extreme bias, and it’s cute to label someone as ignorant when you have nothing but your own anecdote to go on.

Additionally, you seem to be under-informed or misinformed if you truly believe you cannot watch a stream, and play the game. People do it all the time and in fact the game itself has its own twitch stream where-in it promotes all gameplay facets, showcases recent updates, and even does community related shout outs to its artist.

So please continue shouting on your soapbox about how people not being in game is hurting the game, when many of the ways people are coming into the game come from sources other than traditional media or gameplay.

I think you pretty much admit that PvP is not the core mode of GW2. Everyone knows that, even Anet admits it. But according to Dev´s, it is growing rapidly. That may very well be. But let´s just assume you have 10 Dollars and get an additional 10 dollars by lawn mowing. Your income has doubled! Hooray!

Let´s also say that 4000 watch a stream. Let´s say that these 4000 are 10% of all pvp players, aka 40000 players in general. Or let´s be more generous and say they are 5%, settling full blooded PvPers at 80000 then. According to the latest news, Anet has 3.1 Million accounts. 31000 accounts would be 1% by that number, so we´re probably looking at 2.5% of all accounts.

The ESport tournament has a pricing money of 200000, and the costs all together could indeed be sitting at 300000. So with a target audience of 80000, Anet is offering 2.5 € per player to get their Esports going. Offering, not collecting money. When was ever offered money to PvE and WvW players? These demographies are by default the largest when PvP is not, and we all know how sparsely populated WvW is these days.

Therefore it is highly doubtable from my point of view that Anet will be successful with their PvP offensive and makes a serious mistake by driving the casual player base away.

And the thought that people were warned and should have seen it coming is complete nonsense. I am pretty sure only a tiny minority asked for a super mario clone expansion, but indeed for enjoyable content in general. I have no problem with the opponents, but the glorified jumping puzzle maps and the life line grind on these maps to keep them populated annoy me.
So of course enjoyable is a matter of definition, but Anet should get a clue about how empty maps appear and to which kinds of tricks players are forced to undertake to get the events going. This should not be an issue for players, but Anet.

I think the problem isn’t on the sudden spike in the difficulty of the content. It’s that, in order to progress further in the game, you HAVE to do this content. With that sudden spike in difficulty.

At level 80, pre-HoT, your XP bar goes to the right regardless of what you do. When you reach it, it just resets and you get what are now “Hero Points.” The only difference is when you go to WvW because it then fills your WvW XP bar.

Now, my XP bar is stuck. Whether in HoTS or in Core. If I don’t have enough Mastery Points, it’s going to stay stuck. Core World Masteries are easy enough – map completions, Story Mode completions, collections, etc. – but what about for HoTS maps? How do I get to those Mastery Points? How do I progress my avatars in the XPac?

You know what I loved about this game, despite my initial misgivings coming from years of playing WoW? Because it respects my play style. I’m a soloist by nature. The only people I’m comfortable playing with in an MMO are my guildmates, men and women I met online in some Korean MMO back in 2006 who are now my closest friends.

At the same time, I love to experiment. The surest way for me not to use a build is to tell me that THAT is the “preferred” build for my class. I’ve had people tell me that my Retadin SHOULD NOT be played the way I did.

Don’t get me wrong: I help when I can in the Open World. I help in pre-events for the World Boss Hunt. I assist players who need it and answer any questions I can. I’m just not that social to strangers who have a high chance of calling me a noob simply because I don’t play as the game somehow should be played.

I don’t care if you want to play competitively, if you want to be the strongest in the game. Good for you!

But I’m here to relax and have fun after a hard day’s work.

I’ll respect your play style. Respect mine. Because you sure as heck don’t pay for the Gems I used for the outfits, additional character slot, additional bag slot and two additional Bank tabs. Or the money used to buy the Vanilla and the XPac.

And for the longest time it seems Guild Wars 2 was a game that respected this variance in play style. I don’t need to go Fractals or engage in PvP just to be adequate in the game. All my Exotics were either through coinage painstakingly collected solo or through the daily rewards. The Ascended trinks are the same. I have held my own in WvW no matter what I faced despite my play style.

Now, it seems (for me at least) that it’s changed. There’s so many other things I have to do just to be considered adequate in this game.

I respecced my Ranger – my most powerful Avatar, the constant of my WvW battles – to just survive in HoTS. I kept her as a Ranger and didn’t go Druid because of my personal meta story for her and because I like the things in the Ranger trees. This is the fighting style I am comfortable with.

This “just contributing” in the HoTS maps? It’s rocking in Cursed Shores. I actually lasted quite a while SOLO against the Champ Priest in Grenth’s Temple before the battle’s mechanics – really meant for an army to take it on – finally killed me.

I remember complaining about the VB Menders in mapchat. Someone cheekily replied, “do more damage?” Like, how, Mr. Genius? I have an Exotic-Ascended kitted Ranger that kills rather regularly in WvW. The only way I can “do more damage” is to get the higher ranked equips. How do I get those again?

I’ve been farming SW lately again, when I have the time. I don’t complain about the Menders there, somehow. I kill them fine using the same build.

Don’t get me wrong: there are a lot of things I do love about the XPac. The new map completion rewards, for instance. New stuff to do. The Elite specs made me play my avatars that were uninteresting for me (now I love my Daredevil). The Masteries forced me to explore Tyria more and finish my Story Journal stuff.

But I got tired with the jungle. For now, I think I’ll stay in the Core and frak these things the game is making me do for the new maps. Do my dailies, gather what mats I can in the Core, build the Guild’s resources for when everyone comes back this month and we try to take a Guild Hall despite being less than 20.

Also, if you can quickly finish a game’s content, and there’s more people who DON’T, then that’s not the game’s fault: you’re either just too good for it, or you probably have so much time to burn through so much content.

When players in this game start demanding I be so-and-so build with this-and-that equips that can only be got by following a certain path that the game itself imposes just to participate in content other than Open World exploration – no, you can’t join in Teq because you’re not [Preferred Build] that’s when I’m out.

Torolan.5816:

TexZero.7910:

Dresdoe.7503:

TexZero.7910:

Dresdoe.7503:

Sicarius.4639:

Hey! Those 4000 odd people watching that stream think it’s highly valuable!

The people who watch streams are the cancer that needs to be purged from the internet. I mean seriously they contribute zilch to the community as a whole, whereas those of us that have actually supported the game have been kicked to the curb in order to encourage…..what? people to watch? this is so disturbing to me.

Really calling people who watch streams cancer now ?

That’s mighty low, especially from what is supposed to be a friendly community. Shame that PvE players are being so toxic, instead of constructive and a staple part of the community that thrives to show their best sides…..

As for contributing nothing, really….can you tell me all the solo “causal” etc contribute anything more outside of constant complaints founded only in the basis that they are too stubborn or unwilling to learn/adapt ?

The whole anti eSports crusade is a sad joke on the communities part. You don’t have to like, understand or even remotely care why its a thing, but refrain from the petty and nonsensical and baseless attacks on people who enjoy something you do not.

you seem completely ignorant to the fact that PvE players have sustained this game as the majority purchasers of gems which are the financial backbone to this game, seeing how this games streaming accounts are joking unpopular they are not even relevant to the profits generated by GW2. Arenanet is trying to force this change, which is the stupid part of it all which is why I blame everyone who watches people play games instead of actually playing them. Can you not see how their not playing is ruining our game we have up til now fully supported? They have literally SAW something that was ours and mutilated it. I stick to my original comment, people who watch streams are the equivalent of cancer to those of us who actually play and don’t care about streaming. I’ve paid hundreds of dollars to play this game and enjoy it and it’s all being twisted and warped into some trash that I don’t even have interest in. If I wanted a hardcore pvp stream experience I’d play something revolving entirely around PvP, not take an mmorpg and try to turn it into some busted, falling apart, unbalanced wreck like it is now. I understand that you think they should have a right to watch us play and not get labeled as cancer and that’s true, but when it starts leading the the developers down some messed up road that I have not ever cared about nor want to care about that creates a problem that cannot be ignored.

Post your figures….I await how you know exactly who the biggest backers of this game.

You’re posting from a position of extreme bias, and it’s cute to label someone as ignorant when you have nothing but your own anecdote to go on.

Additionally, you seem to be under-informed or misinformed if you truly believe you cannot watch a stream, and play the game. People do it all the time and in fact the game itself has its own twitch stream where-in it promotes all gameplay facets, showcases recent updates, and even does community related shout outs to its artist.

So please continue shouting on your soapbox about how people not being in game is hurting the game, when many of the ways people are coming into the game come from sources other than traditional media or gameplay.

I think you pretty much admit that PvP is not the core mode of GW2. Everyone knows that, even Anet admits it. But according to Dev´s, it is growing rapidly. That may very well be. But let´s just assume you have 10 Dollars and get an additional 10 dollars by lawn mowing. Your income has doubled! Hooray!

Let´s also say that 4000 watch a stream. Let´s say that these 4000 are 10% of all pvp players, aka 40000 players in general. Or let´s be more generous and say they are 5%, settling full blooded PvPers at 80000 then. According to the latest news, Anet has 3.1 Million accounts. 31000 accounts would be 1% by that number, so we´re probably looking at 2.5% of all accounts.

The ESport tournament has a pricing money of 200000, and the costs all together could indeed be sitting at 300000. So with a target audience of 80000, Anet is offering 2.5 € per player to get their Esports going. Offering, not collecting money. When was ever offered money to PvE and WvW players? These demographies are by default the largest when PvP is not, and we all know how sparsely populated WvW is these days.

Therefore it is highly doubtable from my point of view that Anet will be successful with their PvP offensive and makes a serious mistake by driving the casual player base away.

And the thought that people were warned and should have seen it coming is complete nonsense. I am pretty sure only a tiny minority asked for a super mario clone expansion, but indeed for enjoyable content in general. I have no problem with the opponents, but the glorified jumping puzzle maps and the life line grind on these maps to keep them populated annoy me.
So of course enjoyable is a matter of definition, but Anet should get a clue about how empty maps appear and to which kinds of tricks players are forced to undertake to get the events going. This should not be an issue for players, but Anet.

Again you’re under informed. The prize pool for the ESL league isn’t being fronted by ArenaNet out of pocket. They have a myriad of sponsor helping to front and split the cost (ESL who has several of its own sponsors including BenQ and Intel; Nvidia, Khongzhong etc…)

The production cost you seem to think is massive, is really not that big a deal compared to what it cost them to even keep the electricity up and running at their own HQ let alone what it cost for them to keep their current staff which is at last count around 300 people.

So, is it really so wrong that they are paying more attention to one game mode given that A) PvE has had constant and will continue to have constant updates B) PvE gets patches kitten near bi-weekly; PvP will get them Quarterly. Seems like PvP is taking up so much resources right guys ?

Calm down. Sure the mode of play isn’t for you, heck watching it may not be for you. However that is no reason to crucify the mode or your fellow community members who do enjoy it.

I neither want to ban PvP or want to get people away from it. If you like it good for you, really. It can also have patches and new maps bi weekly if you ask me. honestly, if I were a PvP enthusiast, I would have quit GW2 years ago.

But I think you confuse providing with promoting here. Of course Anet has costs for power, employees, etc etc. These are tools, programs and wages they have to PROVIDE for the game to run. You can´t host the game without a, well, host. And it´s not the idea that Anet want´s to promote PvP that bugs me, it´s the way they PROMOTE it. It´s trhe complete neglect of their other types of players like WvWers or casual PvEers lately.

Compared to HoT free maps, it stays optional. So far, so good. To be honest, I don´t know if the legendary backpack is PvP only, I did not inform myself over it as I was still hoping mad about legendary armor gated behind raids. If it is exclusive, my only other complain about PvP would be that it gates something I would like to have, but am forced to get it by doing things I dislike.

Dresdoe.7503:

you seem completely ignorant to the fact that PvE players have sustained this game as the majority purchasers of gems which are the financial backbone to this game, seeing how this games streaming accounts are joking unpopular they are not even relevant to the profits generated by GW2.

A-Net is not a charity that needs our money to “do good” and “help the game”. They are a company and selling a product (including an online-service) and virtual goods (the AH). Whatever they do with the money (finance further development, buying some company air-planes and fancy houses for upper management, or financing completely different other games within NCsoft) is totally up to A-Net/NCsoft and about this you (and me) are entitled to nothing.

However, they said last year that their metrics show, that “more online-time per player” corresponds to “more revenue in the ingame-show” and they have said that pvp-players have more online-time per player than the other player types in GW2, so more pvp-players results in more in-game-shop revenue for A-Net.

And: pvp-players do not cost so much than PvE-players when you compare how much new content they need/want. (thats my assumption, not what A-Net said).

As a result of this they have created a marketing strategy to focus on PvP to increase their revenues.

That includes several ways to attract non-PvP players to try-out PvP but also to give the good PvP players some kind of “rock-star” feeling, to attract PvP players from outside of GW2. According to their metrics, this marketing strategy already works.

Yo do not have to like it, but the gems you bought do not entitle you to change that strategy.

This is just my opinion, but please do keep in mind I’ve been playing PVP centric MMO almost exclusively since 2003 and was, in those games, pretty hardcore.

And I really think Guild Wars 2 is not a PVP game. Trying to pretend it is, is laughable. And I can’t really imagine watching other people doing it online either. This when I am an avid watcher of the EVE Online streamed tournaments (where billions of ISK get blown up in each match never to return).

Just my 2 bits, for what it’s worth.