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The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
The end wasn't the end. (SPOILERS)
You know, ANet did say that the Living Story will continue in the HoT maps, there’s a chance that it will lead up to a proper Mordremoth fight rather than being another lead up to the next Elder Dragon.
It’s rather obvious the end was a decoy. Seriously, Trahearne just sits there and tells you he can open a way to Mordremoth’s one weakness, while Mordremoth is listening in, and what does the Elder Dragon do?
Voice his displeasure, leave Trahearne alive, continue picking off Pact soldiers aboveground despite them not being near the weakness or even aware of said weakness, and evidently doesn’t even try to overwhelm the three people left behind to protect your bodies despite having a massive army at his beck and call.
That’s not suspicious at all.
You mean all i have to do is throw this ring into the lava and the whole thing is over? What an over-climax…
Another update by OP:
Act 4 of the story just seems like one big trap from the start.
Mordremoth used Logan and Zojja as bait to lure you in while getting as many clones of them as he can for his army.
Once you break them out, Faolain shows up and you’re forced to chase her down and kill her only to see Trahearne get pulled away right to where he can suddenly teleport you to the said ‘’weak spot.’’
He could’ve kept the barrier vines up on the paths to block you from reaching his center, but he doesn’t.
He could’ve had multiple armies of Mordrem overwhelm you, but he doesn’t.
He could’ve easily stopped Trahearne from portaling you into his mind, but he doesn’t.
And why else would Faolain be there at the right moment?
’’You’ll never make it to Trahearne!’’
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leads you straight to Trahearne
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
Another update by OP:
Act 4 of the story just seems like one big trap from the start.Mordremoth used Logan and Zojja as bait to lure you in while getting as many clones of them as he can for his army.
Once you break them out, Faolain shows up and you’re forced to chase her down and kill her only to see Trahearne get pulled away right to where he can suddenly teleport you to the said ‘’weak spot.’’
He could’ve kept the barrier vines up on the paths to block you from reaching his center, but he doesn’t.
He could’ve had multiple armies of Mordrem overwhelm you, but he doesn’t.
He could’ve easily stopped Trahearne from portaling you into his mind, but he doesn’t.And why else would Faolain be there at the right moment?
’’You’ll never make it to Trahearne!’’
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leads you straight to Trahearne
Almost as if he’s absolutely sure that he can corrupt you inside of the Dream. He almost succeeded with Canach, and considering how hard the fight against him is by yourself, he has enough strength to where it’s possible to overpower you and take you out. It’s only because you started turning things against him inside of it that he realized this was an error, he had no clue the PC had so much willpower by this point.
This isn’t a surprise considering he outplayed us during Season 1 of the LS (especially during the Tower of Nightmares when through Scarlet he saw what makes us tick), so of course he would think he had the upper hand here. Unfortunately for him, a lot about our characters has changed since Scarlet so his tricks couldn’t work against us at the end of HoT.
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PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
I do not believe it is over… there is an easy way they are going to continue this story…
2 words… Living World
Blackfang’s Demon Alliance [BfDA]
Guys/gals, tell me one thing, even if it is just your theory, does a Elder Dragon have infinite energy? or does it have to recharge that energy that is used to attack it’s enemy? or it’s has plot armor and have UNLIMITED ENERGY??
Guys/gals, tell me one thing, even if it is just your theory, does a Elder Dragon have infinite energy? or does it have to recharge that energy that is used to attack it’s enemy? or it’s has plot armor and have UNLIMITED ENERGY??
From what I know, an elder dragon does not have unlimited energy. They have to gather it the moment they awaken. Mordremoth was plugged in where the ley lines were, so he must’ve gotten his much quicker than the other elder dragons (except maybe Primordus) have.
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
l and see the story. When I had to kill Trahearne I was really like ‘’what? Noo!’’
But well, I want to know what happen to Zodja and Logan and where is Taimi? And what happen to the egg and the pale tree.
I feel that my character should participate in a funeral to Eir and Trahearne. I was really upset about Eir too.
And where is the final feast to commemorate the end of Mordremoth.
I kinda think that the Theory of the OP can be possible. About Trahearne being a clone I don’t know and I don’t think so.
I love the story of GW2 I just wanted more freedom about choosing the speech like in others game we always have like three options to choose. And my character is suppose to be charming and I feel that the charming or furosity and dignity thing doesn’t do any difference to my character personality.
1) Same reaction I had when being forced to kill Trahearne. I was dreading the story may end like it did with Rurik. Anet confirmed it, Trahearne was the next Prince Rurik.
2) Taimi is in Rata Novus.
3) There was no time to have a funeral, not with Modremoth on the move and Zojja and Logan in trouble.
4) The Pact Marshall is dead, I don’t think anyone had it in them to celebrate. Plus, there is more work to be done. Mordrem still have Pact soldiers prisoners. There is no evidence to state that Mordrem completely vanish with Modremoth dieing. A good example is Tequatl, he became stronger when Zhaitan died. Anet said that this was part of lore.
5) I agree the personality should matter, I did not make my main character ferocious. But when he talked to Caithe he said, “You cross me again and I will end you” or “You cross me again and I will personally send you to the Mists.” Caithe was silent. In Living Story Season 2, I was asked if I trusted Caithe or not. I said, yes and the other characters were fine with my decision. In HoT, my character was angry at Caithe throughout the entire expansion the player had no say in their character’s response to her. To ArenaNet: I understand, if a majority of players felt mad at Caithe but that does not mean everyone was upset at her.
Another update by OP:
Act 4 of the story just seems like one big trap from the start.Mordremoth used Logan and Zojja as bait to lure you in while getting as many clones of them as he can for his army.
Once you break them out, Faolain shows up and you’re forced to chase her down and kill her only to see Trahearne get pulled away right to where he can suddenly teleport you to the said ‘’weak spot.’’
He could’ve kept the barrier vines up on the paths to block you from reaching his center, but he doesn’t.
He could’ve had multiple armies of Mordrem overwhelm you, but he doesn’t.
He could’ve easily stopped Trahearne from portaling you into his mind, but he doesn’t.And why else would Faolain be there at the right moment?
’’You’ll never make it to Trahearne!’’
.
.
.
leads you straight to Trahearne
Something else to add to this: You defeating him was also part of Mordy’s trap. I mean, he should know about the rifts and what they do by now if he’s been in the Dream for that long. He didn’t display a shocked reaction when you turned the blighted characters against him. Plus, isn’t it his OWN mind that we’re in? Clearly he should have control over it.
And nothing screams ’’suspicious’’ more than a corrupt looking, shriveled Trahearne saying ‘’kill me, kill me’’ while Mordremoth taunts you in the most out of character way.Almost as if he wants you to kill him.
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
5) I agree the personality should matter, I did not make my main character ferocious. But when he talked to Caithe he said, “You cross me again and I will end you” or “You cross me again and I will personally send you to the Mists.” Caithe was silent. In Living Story Season 2, I was asked if I trusted Caithe or not. I said, yes and the other characters were fine with my decision. In HoT, my character was angry at Caithe throughout the entire expansion the player had no say in their character’s response to her. To ArenaNet: I understand, if a majority of players felt mad at Caithe but that does not mean everyone was upset at her.
Trust doesn’t mean you aren’t kittened at somebody. Think about it, she has in her hands the one thing that can tip the scales of the war in one’s favor, the literal trump card. She’s Sylvari, we know they can be taken over, and she’s running into the heart of the enemy’s territory. She’s practically delivering the trump card on a silver platter, with no thought on asking others for help. Caithe is pulling off a really risky move, one that could have ended in disaster, our characters have the right to be kittened at her.
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PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
im sad about trahearne i hated him in reg personal story but i had a huge crush on him too
i hope that this isnt the whole expansion tbh, if so then it was not kittening worth it
its more of a DLC for 15 dollars if this is the only content we get.
I really hope there’s some killer plot twist like this for raids/LW3 and it wasn’t just a rushed storyline. As good as the HoT story was, the ending felt rushed with a heavy dose of deus ex machina. Hahaha, just realized the irony with the new “ex machina” title…
Guys/gals, tell me one thing, even if it is just your theory, does a Elder Dragon have infinite energy? or does it have to recharge that energy that is used to attack it’s enemy? or it’s has plot armor and have UNLIMITED ENERGY??
From what I know, an elder dragon does not have unlimited energy. They have to gather it the moment they awaken. Mordremoth was plugged in where the ley lines were, so he must’ve gotten his much quicker than the other elder dragons (except maybe Primordus) have.
You’re getting near the point. As far as we understand, the Elder Dragons’ whole role in the Eternal Alchemy is to wake up and shovel so much magical energy into their toothy maws that they go into a(nother) food coma and the magic seeps back out into the world…until they wake up hungry again. It’s like the water cycle. Their ravenous hunger for magical energy is an intrinsic part of what keeps Tyria balanced and alive.
So, do they have unlimited energy? No. The energy just passes through them, like air through the bellows to keep the fire burning.
I should be writing.
So from what I’ve heard, does the first Spirit Vale raid has nothing to do with the mordrem/Mordremoth?
(I have yet to play it.)
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
http://www.toptiertactics.com/12614/mass-effect-3-indoctrination-theory-ending/
welcome to the land of unfulfilled expectations
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
Just one thing that kinda angered me. A HUGE part of the Living Story involved both Caithe [who somehow didn’t succumbed to Mordremoth even when she’s one of the Sylvari who has a pretty dark mind] and Glint’s egg.
WE KNOW NOTHING NEW. I thought the egg would be key to eliminating Mordremoth [similar to how the specialized cannon was key to killing Zhaitan], yet nothing happened. Caithe didn’t seem to do anything or truly say anything, the egg didn’t hatch or do dingus, so…..we gotta wait for the Living Story to kick in again?
“Would you kindly?”
The story ended faster than Usain Bolt setting world 100m records.
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
If you recall, their entire fleet was shot down, including the cannons before they knew what was happening. You know that airship in Verdant Brink with the glowing aura coming out of a ‘core’? That’s the main airship of the fleet. Mordremoth took them out before they could fire the cannons. Meaning we lost our highest tech stuff in this fiasco.
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PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
He’s dead, you’re just hoping beyond hope that he isn’t, that it was clever double blind writing. It isn’t. It was a rushed story with chopped content, for whatever reason. Also, the Mouth of Mordremoth IS big Mordy. Either what is left of him, or what he was able to bring back together.
Why? It talks in first person with Mordremoth’s voice. There are a couple times it is referred to as mordremoth, it is clearly a dragon because it used the fear breath weapon, like all other dragons.
The commander is present for the fight because I think Arenanet originally intended us to do the map metas with the story.
For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.
(edited by Snow.2506)
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
If you recall, their entire fleet was shot down, including the cannons before they knew what was happening. You know that airship in Verdant Brink with the glowing aura coming out of a ‘core’? That’s the main airship of the fleet. Mordremoth took them out before they could fire the cannons. Meaning we lost our highest tech stuff in this fiasco.
And yet we STILL killed Mordremoth, who is supposed to be far stronger than Zhaitan, much more easily. In fact, we, almost literally, beat him with nothing but swords.
“Would you kindly?”
Well… The story was very good until Rata Novus ended.
Too many unanswered questions though – on every front. We were told we would get exploration between mordremoth and the nightmare court. We had 2 nightmare courtiers say the mordremoth look was too emo. We were told we would have more insights on Scarlet. Nope.
I don’t feel like anything has been resolved at this point of the story. The state of the intelligent mordrem was not touched on. The state of Mord’s still living body was not touched on. The state of the pact was not touched on. There were no holographic dancing moas – the only true sign of victory.
The most infuriating part was the achievement for finding the secret dragon research lab in Rata Novus – it was empty. Seriously.
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
If you recall, their entire fleet was shot down, including the cannons before they knew what was happening. You know that airship in Verdant Brink with the glowing aura coming out of a ‘core’? That’s the main airship of the fleet. Mordremoth took them out before they could fire the cannons. Meaning we lost our highest tech stuff in this fiasco.
And yet we STILL killed Mordremoth, who is supposed to be far stronger than Zhaitan, much more easily. In fact, we, almost literally, beat him with nothing but swords.
In his mind. He had the most unstoppable body, but his mind was his weakness. If we had a battle against his body we never would have won.
[hS]
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
If you recall, their entire fleet was shot down, including the cannons before they knew what was happening. You know that airship in Verdant Brink with the glowing aura coming out of a ‘core’? That’s the main airship of the fleet. Mordremoth took them out before they could fire the cannons. Meaning we lost our highest tech stuff in this fiasco.
And yet we STILL killed Mordremoth, who is supposed to be far stronger than Zhaitan, much more easily. In fact, we, almost literally, beat him with nothing but swords.
In his mind. He had the most unstoppable body, but his mind was his weakness. If we had a battle against his body we never would have won.
Uhh no, we fought both. WE, as in us the PC, fought in his mind. A lot of the others fought his physical body and actually managed to hold him at bay while we fought in his mind at the Dream.
And may i remind you that the last time someone fought an Elder Dragon head on like that, it was Destiny’s Edge and ONLY thanks to Snaff going into Krakaltorrik’s mind and almost winning.
“Would you kindly?”
(edited by Ephemiel.5694)
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
If you recall, their entire fleet was shot down, including the cannons before they knew what was happening. You know that airship in Verdant Brink with the glowing aura coming out of a ‘core’? That’s the main airship of the fleet. Mordremoth took them out before they could fire the cannons. Meaning we lost our highest tech stuff in this fiasco.
And yet we STILL killed Mordremoth, who is supposed to be far stronger than Zhaitan, much more easily. In fact, we, almost literally, beat him with nothing but swords.
In his mind. He had the most unstoppable body, but his mind was his weakness. If we had a battle against his body we never would have won.
Uhh no, we fought both. WE, as in us the PC, fought in his mind. A lot of the others fought his physical body and actually managed to hold him at bay while we fought in his mind at the Dream.
And may i remind you that the last time someone fought an Elder Dragon head on like that, it was Destiny’s Edge and ONLY thanks to Snaff going into Krakaltorrik’s mind and almost winning.
Then shouldn’t we be complaining if Kralkatorrik can’t be beaten in a 1 on 1 fight? :p
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PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
Here’s my theory as to why Mordremoth looked like a giant Mordrem troll in the dream…
>.>
<.<
Because he was trolling us all… o.o
I countinue to find
that I’m losing my mind.
that I’m losing my mind.
I was left thinking glint is next, corrupted by the energy passed to the egg.
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
If you recall, their entire fleet was shot down, including the cannons before they knew what was happening. You know that airship in Verdant Brink with the glowing aura coming out of a ‘core’? That’s the main airship of the fleet. Mordremoth took them out before they could fire the cannons. Meaning we lost our highest tech stuff in this fiasco.
And yet we STILL killed Mordremoth, who is supposed to be far stronger than Zhaitan, much more easily. In fact, we, almost literally, beat him with nothing but swords.
In his mind. He had the most unstoppable body, but his mind was his weakness. If we had a battle against his body we never would have won.
That reminds me. Just how exactly do we know that Mordy’s true weakness is his mind? We don’t even look around for researched proof in Rata Novus for it. We just assume that his brain is his Achille’s heel and jump straight in.
Kind of reminds me of that one quest in the PS where we just thought that a certain spot in a tomb was the center of Orr, but it was not so we had to ask for help to find it. (Arenanet just might be repeating that here.)
’’Mordremoth’s weakness is his mind.‘’ says the corrupted-looking sylvari that’s been captured for a few days and may have had that thought planted into his mind while the dragon is listening in.
“SEEMS LEGIT. LET’S GO.”
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
Whatever with Mordy still been alive, it ain’t going to survive long when Glint’s baby hatch and wipes the floor on the remaining Elder Dragons…..Then turn on us the allies and wipe us out only to be save by some unknown entity that could only transport us to GW3…. :P
I would dare say i hate how we killed Mordremoth even more than how we killed Zhaitan. At least with Zhaitan, we HAD to use cannons specifically designed to kill Elder Dragons [notice how this cannon tech doesn’t seem to exist now, i guess Zojja forgot].
If you recall, their entire fleet was shot down, including the cannons before they knew what was happening. You know that airship in Verdant Brink with the glowing aura coming out of a ‘core’? That’s the main airship of the fleet. Mordremoth took them out before they could fire the cannons. Meaning we lost our highest tech stuff in this fiasco.
And yet we STILL killed Mordremoth, who is supposed to be far stronger than Zhaitan, much more easily. In fact, we, almost literally, beat him with nothing but swords.
In his mind. He had the most unstoppable body, but his mind was his weakness. If we had a battle against his body we never would have won.
That reminds me. Just how exactly do we know that Mordy’s true weakness is his mind? We don’t even look around for researched proof in Rata Novus for it. We just assume that his brain is his Achille’s heel and jump straight in.
Kind of reminds me of that one quest in the PS where we just thought that a certain spot in a tomb was the center of Orr, but it was not so we had to ask for help to find it. (Arenanet just might be repeating that here.)’’Mordremoth’s weakness is his mind.‘’ says the corrupted-looking sylvari that’s been captured for a few days and may have had that thought planted into his mind while the dragon is listening in.
“SEEMS LEGIT. LET’S GO.”
Either it is a trap, or it is crap.
I really hope it was Mordremoth manipulating us, and not a really bad deus ex machina.
(edited by Ojyh.9842)
I’d say that Morde is still alive, except that Anet knows that they want to do expansions now, and were able to roughly make this expansion in 1 years time…so i think we are only getting 1 Living Story update and that is going to setup the next elder dragon’s rise
and since we are gonna be learning a lot about glint’s egg, i believe we are headed to the crystal desert and kralkatorrik
Judging by the fact that there’s no replies about what happens in the recent Spirit Vale release, I’m just going to assume that we learn nothing about the mordrem.
(I’d find out if I didn’t keep getting stuck in raid teams with bad DPS.)
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
Judging by the fact that there’s no replies about what happens in the recent Spirit Vale release, I’m just going to assume that we learn nothing about the mordrem.
(I’d find out if I didn’t keep getting stuck in raid teams with bad DPS.)
There’s basically zero lore in Spirit Vale, which is a shame since there was so much potential for it.
Judging by the fact that there’s no replies about what happens in the recent Spirit Vale release, I’m just going to assume that we learn nothing about the mordrem.
(I’d find out if I didn’t keep getting stuck in raid teams with bad DPS.)There’s basically zero lore in Spirit Vale, which is a shame since there was so much potential for it.
Thanks for letting me know.
I honestly think that combining lore content into over the top hard content was a bad idea. (My suggestion is that Arenanet should add an ‘’easy mode’’ to the raids for people that just want more story and keep the current mode for hardcore folks that want better rewards/legendary armor, but I’ll make another thread for that.)
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
Looking back at this forum discussion after the recent news update, I don’t know how to feel about it.
I still wouldn’t say that this theory is dead yet. Who knows? Maybe Mordremoth will be reborn inside Glints egg.Maybe he planted his seeds onto Logan and Zojja. Or maybe since there were 3 head versions of the Mouth of Mordremoth instead of one floating around the battle area in Heart and Minds, I wouldn’t be surprised if Mordy had 2 backup mouths somewhere.
….Or I could be wrong and LS3 will be absolutely dreadful and have as many plotholes and wasted potential as HoT’s story did. All I can say is this: If Mordremoth is truly dead and that’s all we’ll ever see of him, I’ll be convinced that it’s impossible for Arenanet to write a decent story.
The Elder Dragons could’ve been great if they weren’t victims of piss poor writing.
Gotta concur with the post above me. If killing Mordy was as easy as walking up to him and smacking his snout, why the hell did we need a Pact anyways? Clearly it being destroyed wasn’t too much of a problem.
Hell, SCARLET was more of a threat to Tyria and the world and was actually more of a built up fight than the pathetic jungle dragon was. Which is quite sad given how much I loathed Season 1.
Which surprisingly enough makes all the efforts of that crazed sylvari look even more pointless. Woo, you awakened an elder dragon. Whats that? “You’ll see Caithe, Tyria needs me”?
No, not really. Taking out Mordy was easier than Pre-Patch Teq.
There was so much they could have touched on, so much they STILL can. Yet I have a feeling this is going to play exactly like the end of Season 1 and we’ll be left grasping at straws and people going “Don’t worry! It’l be in the next story release! Right….?”
It’s getting tiresome.
Duty is heavier than death.