Guild Wars 2

For those who say that buying LS2 with gold is a reasonable option: I have been playing GW2 since the beginning – was in Beta. I have only recently hit 350 gold. I don’t buy anything expensive and barely buy anything on the TP at all. I think the one expensive purchase I made (which I’ve only done once) was to buy a skin from the Pavilion vendor for 10g. I also don’t “grind” for gold. I like to just play the game and don’t prefer to do something boring like grinding while I’m playing a game for entertainment.

That said, I would not want to spend all of the gold I’ve ever made to purchase LS2.

Just some perspective for those who might buy HoT because they have heard that GW2 is an easy, casual-friendly game…

I think your experience is exceptional and not indicative of the average. It’s more than reasonable to purchase LS2 with ingame gold … the only reason you don’t have any is that you don’t attempt to sell anything. That would not be normal behavior for someone actively trying to accumulate the gold to purchase LS2.

I mean, what I can tell, you’re simply saying that through regular play, you’ve accumulated 350G … I think that’s really good actually. I can only imagine what you would have if you sell the mats you have collected in the period of time you have played.

Obtena.7952:

I think your experience is exceptional and not indicative of the average. It’s more than reasonable to purchase LS2 with ingame gold … the only reason you don’t have any is that you don’t attempt to sell anything. That would not be normal behavior for someone actively trying to accumulate the gold to purchase LS2.

I mean, what I can tell, you’re simply saying that through regular play, you’ve accumulated 350G … I think that’s really good actually. I can only imagine what you would have if you sell the mats you have collected in the period of time you have played.

I’m not sure where you get the idea that I never sell anything. I actually got a Chaos skin that I sold for 50-ish gold. But that hasn’t happened before. I also sell many of the Rares that I get if they sell for enough. But I don’t grind AB multi-map every day or whatever so I don’t sell huge numbers of rares. I don’t sell mats because I like to craft for my characters.

My point was in my last sentence – to give a perspective for people who like to play casually.

If you have only made 350G in 4 years of play even with selling things, you’re definitely not representative of the amount of money people can make by playing casually. Therefore, it’s not so unreasonable for even a casual player to purchase content with in game gold.

So what you’re saying is something you want isn’t affordable with gold because you’re not willing to liquidate your assets.

GW2’s entire economy is built around the buying and selling of crafting materials. Raw gold income exists specifically to facilitate that trade. However, the bulk of every players income in GW2 comes in the form of crafting materials, and the entire game is designed in such a way that there’s a reliable buy and sell market for them.

This is why salvaging is a thing, because the component parts of most of the loot you pick up is where it derives its value.

You’re basically saying you can’t afford something because you don’t want to spend the money that is in your bank account.

Using the ‘casual player’ card here means literally nothing. You income is not low because you play casually. It is low because you are actively choosing not to leverage your assets in a manner that helps you achieve your desired goal.

PopeUrban.2578:

So what you’re saying is something you want isn’t affordable with gold because you’re not willing to liquidate your assets.

GW2’s entire economy is built around the buying and selling of crafting materials. Raw gold income exists specifically to facilitate that trade. However, the bulk of every players income in GW2 comes in the form of crafting materials, and the entire game is designed in such a way that there’s a reliable buy and sell market for them.

This is why salvaging is a thing, because the component parts of most of the loot you pick up is where it derives its value.

You’re basically saying you can’t afford something because you don’t want to spend the money that is in your bank account.

Using the ‘casual player’ card here means literally nothing. You income is not low because you play casually. It is low because you are actively choosing not to leverage your assets in a manner that helps you achieve your desired goal.

First, I am only assuming you are responding to me – but this isn’t clear since you don’t respond with quotes.

However, assuming that you are responding to me, I didn’t say that LS2 isn’t affordable. I am stating my experience as the kind of player I am. I don’t play every day and don’t play for many hours in a day. I made several alts and mainly alternated playing between them. I wanted to actually play my characters so I didn’t use XP items to get to 80 quicker. I wasn’t getting high-level gear or mats for a long time. I didn’t sell much because I like to craft.

I’m not offering this information as a criticism, but as information. I’m sure I’m not the only person who likes to play this way.

The confusing part is where you relate your experience to the casual player. I simply don’t think your experience is indicative of the kind that someone looking to buy gems ingame with gold would have.

Djinn.9245:

PopeUrban.2578:

So what you’re saying is something you want isn’t affordable with gold because you’re not willing to liquidate your assets.

GW2’s entire economy is built around the buying and selling of crafting materials. Raw gold income exists specifically to facilitate that trade. However, the bulk of every players income in GW2 comes in the form of crafting materials, and the entire game is designed in such a way that there’s a reliable buy and sell market for them.

This is why salvaging is a thing, because the component parts of most of the loot you pick up is where it derives its value.

You’re basically saying you can’t afford something because you don’t want to spend the money that is in your bank account.

Using the ‘casual player’ card here means literally nothing. You income is not low because you play casually. It is low because you are actively choosing not to leverage your assets in a manner that helps you achieve your desired goal.

First, I am only assuming you are responding to me – but this isn’t clear since you don’t respond with quotes.

However, assuming that you are responding to me, I didn’t say that LS2 isn’t affordable. I am stating my experience as the kind of player I am. I don’t play every day and don’t play for many hours in a day. I made several alts and mainly alternated playing between them. I wanted to actually play my characters so I didn’t use XP items to get to 80 quicker. I wasn’t getting high-level gear or mats for a long time. I didn’t sell much because I like to craft.

I’m not offering this information as a criticism, but as information. I’m sure I’m not the only person who likes to play this way.

So you choose to save mats instead of sell mats. That’s a choice. You could always sell them until you had enough for the LS and then go back to saving them. It’s still an option. Posting that it’s not an option because you play a specific way and won’t play another is a bit misleading in my opinion.

Mats are easy to get. They sell well. And they’d allow people to afford to buy the story. Obviously people who hoard mats or use them are inevitably going to have less money than people who sell them.

Obtena.7952:

The confusing part is where you relate your experience to the casual player. I simply don’t think your experience is indicative of the kind that someone looking to buy gems ingame with gold would have.

Well, of course. Casuals are more likely to buy gems with cash instead of gold, because they are less likely to have enough gold to casually (heh) spend it on gems.

Just so you know how big the difference can be from what you might expect, i’ll tell you a story:
At one time, Anet introduced possibly the first set of big farm events. At the same time we’ve got the first instance of Queen’s Pavillon (deadeye farm + monster farm below) as well as the mapwide massive farm fest that was the Scarlet Invasion. People were earning tons of gold daily on this. And then we’ve been told what was the median gold income for the whole 2 weeks among the active players.
It was 2 gold.

Astralporing.1957:

Obtena.7952:

The confusing part is where you relate your experience to the casual player. I simply don’t think your experience is indicative of the kind that someone looking to buy gems ingame with gold would have.

Well, of course. Casuals are more likely to buy gems with cash instead of gold, because they are less likely to have enough gold to casually (heh) spend it on gems.

Just so you know how big the difference can be from what you might expect, i’ll tell you a story:
At one time, Anet introduced possibly the first set of big farm events. At the same time we’ve got the first instance of Queen’s Pavillon (deadeye farm + monster farm below) as well as the mapwide massive farm fest that was the Scarlet Invasion. People were earning tons of gold daily on this. And then we’ve been told what was the median gold income for the whole 2 weeks among the active players.
It was 2 gold.

I think that many “power gamers” find it almost impossible to understand people who don’t play the way they do.

Djinn.9245:

Astralporing.1957:

Obtena.7952:

The confusing part is where you relate your experience to the casual player. I simply don’t think your experience is indicative of the kind that someone looking to buy gems ingame with gold would have.

Well, of course. Casuals are more likely to buy gems with cash instead of gold, because they are less likely to have enough gold to casually (heh) spend it on gems.

Just so you know how big the difference can be from what you might expect, i’ll tell you a story:
At one time, Anet introduced possibly the first set of big farm events. At the same time we’ve got the first instance of Queen’s Pavillon (deadeye farm + monster farm below) as well as the mapwide massive farm fest that was the Scarlet Invasion. People were earning tons of gold daily on this. And then we’ve been told what was the median gold income for the whole 2 weeks among the active players.
It was 2 gold.

I think that many “power gamers” find it almost impossible to understand people who don’t play the way they do.

It’s not a matter of being confused here. You’re experience goes without saying … if you don’t play, you don’t make much gold. If that’s your game, the ability to purchase gems and buy content with RL money is a more realistic option for you than using gold to buy gems.

Really, it’s about what is worth more to a player and that’s why Anet has smartly made gems available with BOTH money and gold. Your anecdote seems to give the message that if a person is ‘casual’, they won’t have gold to buy stuff. That’s extremely misleading and in fact, untrue. how much gold a person has is about how they spend their time ingame, not how much time they spend ingame.