Guild Wars 2

i have played gw since beginning of gw1. my problem with the expansion is do i let my current account go to waist. because getting core game create new email and start over so i can build new toons. i am on a fixed income and cant see spending $50 on a game i have most of already. all i would like to se would be 1 or 2 new toon slots like all their other expansions so i can build the new builds. i just feel a little cheated with out an option just for expansion at a lower rate then not getting a new toon slot wouldn’t make me feel like i wasted three years developing my toons. i would really like Anet to understand what a lot of players feel. we spend extra cash to buy gems. we bought the game, we get our friends and family to buy the game, we just want something extra if we link our accounts that’s all like 1 simple toon slot for reverent, hell we didn’t get our hall or monuments like they promised and other things, they could at least show us they appreciate our loyalty to the game

Solori.6025:

I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.

Maybe its because frustrated people usually say stuff that really makes no sense since they only see it their way instead of seeing the big picture?

I get frustrated as do so many people. I say things out of frustration. Once I actually stop and think, I usually say in my head “wow that was silly of me to get so frustrated over something like that”

You have the right to be frustrated but most people that post out of frustration never see the big picture.

So many are still stuck on not getting something free because new players are getting a freebie. Some are stuck on the price and you have every right to be since everyone doesn’t have the same budget. Some are still stuck on not getting a free character slot when the game starts you with 5 and has 8 professions to begin with.

The big picture I see it as Anet wants to bring in more players into this game. A game needs players to continue to grow. Without players it will most likely die. Yes people will leave this game but I’d put money on that they will gain a lot more players then those that actually do leave.

Only time will tell. You can stick around and help this game grow even more or you can leave and be replaced by someone else who will. It is your choice.

briggah.7910:

Small size of the expansion? So you’ve played the entire expansion? Can you make a list of everything that is in it for all of us that don’t have a time machine into the future?

They have given us previews, and shown us roughly how much landmass will be added. Thats not much.

dragonfighter.4098:

i have played gw since beginning of gw1. my problem with the expansion is do i let my current account go to waist. because getting core game create new email and start over so i can build new toons. i am on a fixed income and cant see spending $50 on a game i have most of already. all i would like to se would be 1 or 2 new toon slots like all their other expansions so i can build the new builds. i just feel a little cheated with out an option just for expansion at a lower rate then not getting a new toon slot wouldn’t make me feel like i wasted three years developing my toons. i would really like Anet to understand what a lot of players feel. we spend extra cash to buy gems. we bought the game, we get our friends and family to buy the game, we just want something extra if we link our accounts that’s all like 1 simple toon slot for reverent, hell we didn’t get our hall or monuments like they promised and other things, they could at least show us they appreciate our loyalty to the game

You don’t have to start over if you purchase the xpac. Your account gets upgraded and you get e-mails and in-game mails saying so. The expansion would probably be $50 dollars even without the free core for “new” players. I understand some people are thinking they are buying the core game twice but just think for a second if they didn’t include that to new players and it still cost $50 dollars. Would you still feel the same? Maybe you would but I’d bet we’d have less upset players.

Wouldn’t make sense to me to delete your current account just so you can start all over and get the free core version. Your account will be upgraded so all your hard time and work will still be there. Only difference is you can experience HoT faster since a new player will have to start from level 1.

ThreeHitDown.2169:

Why is everybody ignoring the fact that there are no monthlies?Yeah the xpac is kinda expensive but on the long run its actually cheaper than any expansion out there.Take for example WoW.You pay 40euros and then 15euros every month where in GW2 you are gonna pay 50 euros for the expac and you are done.I’m not tryna be a fanboy or somethin im just sayin that its cheaper than any other paid mmo on the long run of course.

Edit:Yea its a kitten move to the old players and those that recently bought it(not pre-purchase)but its still cheaper.

Cause its irrelevant, false advertising is not countered by this useless information and due to the microtransactions your argument is null for anyone that uses the gem store. Further, its a kitten move to not allow a day-1 revenanat without an added fee to an already over-priced dlc pack.

milumilu.1759:

well… i know people that bought the game 1-2 months ago like myself

- i dont even know what you mean with face
- i didnt experience the festival events and seasoned events like you did
- i don’t even know what LA is
- i’ve never fought marionette like you did cause that is all gone and done
- sab what?
- i didn’t get to farm aetherblades in zones and have tons of champs spawning

Those are just a few examples but so many other open world events that i will never experience even if they do get a “Bonus” free version of the core game.

Me either with all of these, in fact, most the good farming was nerfed before I got the game cause Anet are like that. I actually get less for my money than other vets. The people in the middle really got the weakest deal here.

Solori.6025:

Solori.6025:

I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.

Maybe its because frustrated people usually say stuff that really makes no sense since they only see it their way instead of seeing the big picture?

I get frustrated as do so many people. I say things out of frustration. Once I actually stop and think, I usually say in my head “wow that was silly of me to get so frustrated over something like that”

You have the right to be frustrated but most people that post out of frustration never see the big picture.

So many are still stuck on not getting something free because new players are getting a freebie. Some are stuck on the price and you have every right to be since everyone doesn’t have the same budget. Some are still stuck on not getting a free character slot when the game starts you with 5 and has 8 professions to begin with.

The big picture I see it as Anet wants to bring in more players into this game. A game needs players to continue to grow. Without players it will most likely die. Yes people will leave this game but I’d put money on that they will gain a lot more players then those that actually do leave.

Only time will tell. You can stick around and help this game grow even more or you can leave and be replaced by someone else who will. It is your choice.

TL;DR. The wall of text can’t counter the false advertising claim or the fact that Anet have become cheapskates compared to their former selves, GW1 expansions having 2 character slots and way more content for example.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

briggah.7910:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Bog Otter makes good points, although he doesn’t mention how Anet already makes money from the gemstore. So I don’t think 50 bucks is a reasonable price, given the small size of the expansion, and that they are already getting a lot of money from us through the store.

Small size of the expansion? So you’ve played the entire expansion? Can you make a list of everything that is in it for all of us that don’t have a time machine into the future?

They have given us previews, and shown us roughly how much landmass will be added. Thats not much.

Keyword there is preview. Also from what I understand the maps are 3 levels of maps. So that is like 3 maps on top of each other.

You also seem to be forgetting new character specializations, new legendary weapons, new profession, new pvp game mode, new wvw map( although i think even without xpac players can access this or it would split community) new mastery system and guild halls.. That’s all I can think of that they previewed but I’m sure there is more.

im going to say i understand all the complaints and where people are coming from with it myself. to say im not going to buy it would be falsehood. im going to buy. would i like it anet offered veterans an extra slot. i think they should. for those who recently bought the game i think you should get an hot for free if you bought it since the end of the last living story. to me the price isnt the problem but the fact if i didnt have a slot ready for the new class id have to buy one whereas new players got 5 slots free. thats the injustice on the veterans. if you use we got all the stuff for free but your wrong because we deserved that we supported anet to get them to a spot where they could offer an exspansion. we made the game a success and we got all that free stuff to rewards us for supporting the game. so to make us equal footing with new people at least give us a free spot anet

Alexxander.8306:

TL;DR. The wall of text can’t counter the false advertising claim or the fact that Anet have become cheapskates compared to their former selves, GW1 expansions having 2 character slots and way more content for example.

Like I said to others. Please share with us your data that you gathered from when you went into the future to experience the entire expansion since you seem to actually know that it doesn’t have “way more content”

briggah.7910:

Alexxander.8306:

TL;DR. The wall of text can’t counter the false advertising claim or the fact that Anet have become cheapskates compared to their former selves, GW1 expansions having 2 character slots and way more content for example.

Like I said to others. Please share with us your data that you gathered from when you went into the future to experience the entire expansion since you seem to actually know that it doesn’t have “way more content”

it’s true that we don’t know for sure that the expansion has less content, but we can’t realistically judge that at all. another issue with the way the pre-purchase is being handled is that they are offering the ability to pay for the full expansion, and have yet to show us what that is. there may be almost no content. there may be more content than the base game. but they could at least give us an idea…

milumilu.1759:

well… i know people that bought the game 1-2 months ago like myself

- i dont even know what you mean with face
- i didnt experience the festival events and seasoned events like you did
- i don’t even know what LA is
- i’ve never fought marionette like you did cause that is all gone and done
- sab what?
- i didn’t get to farm aetherblades in zones and have tons of champs spawning

Those are just a few examples but so many other open world events that i will never experience even if they do get a “Bonus” free version of the core game.

Just for you, here is your face is funny

https://youtu.be/t0d_gT0K7Z8

Here is another fan video of funny NPCS. this is a favorite of mine

https://youtu.be/oSXWsQniYOk

Gray.9041:

briggah.7910:

Alexxander.8306:

TL;DR. The wall of text can’t counter the false advertising claim or the fact that Anet have become cheapskates compared to their former selves, GW1 expansions having 2 character slots and way more content for example.

Like I said to others. Please share with us your data that you gathered from when you went into the future to experience the entire expansion since you seem to actually know that it doesn’t have “way more content”

it’s true that we don’t know for sure that the expansion has less content, but we can’t realistically judge that at all. another issue with the way the pre-purchase is being handled is that they are offering the ability to pay for the full expansion, and have yet to show us what that is. there may be almost no content. there may be more content than the base game. but they could at least give us an idea…

This is just a pre-order. Pre-orders are not for everyone. No date yet to as when HoT actually drops so you still have lots of time I would think to judge for yourself if it is worth it or not.. I’d say too early though to say it isn’t.

briggah.7910:

Keyword there is preview. Also from what I understand the maps are 3 levels of maps. So that is like 3 maps on top of each other.

With a lot of air in between.

briggah.7910:

You also seem to be forgetting new character specializations,

One of which will possibly finally make the necromancer viable…. or replace it, because why fix the old necro.

briggah.7910:

new legendary weapons

More grind!

briggah.7910:

new profession

But no character slot to play the profession.

briggah.7910:

new pvp game mode

Which I don’t play.

briggah.7910:

new wvw map

Which I also don’t play, and is basically merged with the core game, so this should not be used to justify the high price tag on the expansion.

briggah.7910:

new mastery system

Even more grind!

briggah.7910:

guild halls

Which were supposed to be in the original game.

Try and see this from my perspective. I was a bit disappointed with the original game, given the broken combat balance and the missing elite end game areas, and the horribly broken necromancer.

Given the fact that Anet has been oddly silent about challenging group content in HOT, I have good reason to doubt whether this will finally be added with the expansion. And I think many of us would agree that it should have been in the original game. Yet now I am expected to pay the price of the full game again, and I’ll probably not even get that yet again. And if I want to enjoy the new profession, I have to pay even more money to get a new character slot, because I suppose 50 bucks wasn’t overpriced enough yet.

briggah.7910:

Solori.6025:

I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.

Maybe its because frustrated people usually say stuff that really makes no sense since they only see it their way instead of seeing the big picture?

I get frustrated as do so many people. I say things out of frustration. Once I actually stop and think, I usually say in my head “wow that was silly of me to get so frustrated over something like that”

You have the right to be frustrated but most people that post out of frustration never see the big picture.

So many are still stuck on not getting something free because new players are getting a freebie. Some are stuck on the price and you have every right to be since everyone doesn’t have the same budget. Some are still stuck on not getting a free character slot when the game starts you with 5 and has 8 professions to begin with.

The big picture I see it as Anet wants to bring in more players into this game. A game needs players to continue to grow. Without players it will most likely die. Yes people will leave this game but I’d put money on that they will gain a lot more players then those that actually do leave.

Only time will tell. You can stick around and help this game grow even more or you can leave and be replaced by someone else who will. It is your choice.

That response did nothing to address the concern or reason why some people are angry,and honestly, you don’t have the ability or knowledge to do so. I do agree, complaining for the price is silly, complaining about new players coming into the game is silly.

It is NOT silly to expect a product that is advertised to be delivered.
It is NOT silly to expect some type of compensation for an item that can’t be delivered, even though it was advertised to be included.
It is also not silly to upgrade people that bought the core game 3-4 months to at least a standard edition of HoT. Those players especially deserve to be compensated.

Solori.6025:

briggah.7910:

Solori.6025:

I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.

Maybe its because frustrated people usually say stuff that really makes no sense since they only see it their way instead of seeing the big picture?

I get frustrated as do so many people. I say things out of frustration. Once I actually stop and think, I usually say in my head “wow that was silly of me to get so frustrated over something like that”

You have the right to be frustrated but most people that post out of frustration never see the big picture.

So many are still stuck on not getting something free because new players are getting a freebie. Some are stuck on the price and you have every right to be since everyone doesn’t have the same budget. Some are still stuck on not getting a free character slot when the game starts you with 5 and has 8 professions to begin with.

The big picture I see it as Anet wants to bring in more players into this game. A game needs players to continue to grow. Without players it will most likely die. Yes people will leave this game but I’d put money on that they will gain a lot more players then those that actually do leave.

Only time will tell. You can stick around and help this game grow even more or you can leave and be replaced by someone else who will. It is your choice.

That response did nothing to address the concern or reason why some people are angry,and honestly, you don’t have the ability or knowledge to do so. I do agree, complaining for the price is silly, complaining about new players coming into the game is silly.

It is NOT silly to expect a product that is advertised to be delivered.
It is NOT silly to expect some type of compensation for an item that can’t be delivered, even though it was advertised to be included.
It is also not silly to upgrade people that bought the core game 3-4 months to at least a standard edition of HoT. Those players especially deserve to be compensated.

I quoted you on you asking “I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.”

Pretty sure I made it clear that it is hard to understand the frustration of others. Also you sound pretty frustrated and to be honest, not really understanding you.

Are you a new or veteran players? Seeing as you think people who bought the game 2 – 3 months ago should be compensated, I’d guess that’s when you bought the game. If you are a veteran player let those people speak for themselves. Sounds like you heard a complaint and jumped on the complaint bandwagon.

Not sure how much the game was 2 – 3 months ago but I’ve seen it for $10. You mean to tell me they didn’t get $10 out of this game for those 2 – 3 months when a sub fee game would cost $10 per month? TBH not sure what sub fee games cost now a days.. Gave those up when FFXIV burned me.

briggah.7910:

So many posts saying us veterans didn’t get anything and new players are getting the core game for free really makes me think how many of you are actually veteran players.

Us veteran players have gotten to experience all the open world events since release with new patches every few weeks. These new players won’t get all that the same way we did even if they get a “bonus” free version with buying HoT.

They won’t hear while afk’ing at the bank in LA the asura and char that say “Your face is funny”, “No, your face is funny. It’s like a little raisin”

They didn’t experience the festival events and seasoned events like we did.

They won’t see LA getting destroyed and how we fought over it while scarlet attacked it.

They won’t get to fight marionette like we did cause that is all gone and done.

They probably won’t see SAB seeing as people still riot about it to this day.

They didn’t get to farm aetherblades in zones and have tons of champs spawning.

Those are just a few examples but so many other open world events that these new players will never experience even if they do get a “Bonus” free version of the core game.

Stop being greedy and thinking its all about new players when new players will have missed out on a ton of content that is no longer available. Veterans have the memories of all that has happened since launch of this game to this date while new players will never experience those events.

Wagging your tail to anet won’t drop you any precursors. And don’t make up fake argument. No one ever said “vet players don’t get anything”. So stop fighting a strawman. What about people who bought the game recently. They didn’t get any of what you mention, but they suffer the same fate as us who bought the same since it started. The frustration here is that vet players will pay the same price, but not even an extra character slot at least. Now supposed that you just bought the game 2 weeks ago for $40 . No , you are not yet a vet player at this point. Not after 2 weeks. But suddenly now someone else who just a few weeks after you will pay slight more, but get both old game and the HOT, whereas you who just paid 40 bucks not to long ago now will have to pay the very same scale of fee for the same access. Clearly there is pothole in the way Anet’s pricing and stinginess towards pre-HOT . We are trying get a message out so that at least we get something abit more for the price dictated at us, and you, Anet’s pet do-gooders, came out and defend them as if we are insulting your own parents. Does it hurt to think nowadays? No, precursors won’t rain on you for your lawyer service.

I admit it, I didn’t read through every single page of posts. I did read the op, or enough to get what his point it. He is saying, correct me if I am wrong, that the price they are asking is fine because the Veterans have experienced so much that the new players won’t ever get to experience.

Sorry but I think you, and probably some others, are entirely missing the point. Let me see if I can explain it in simple terms.

Say you buy a new car, you love it, you have it a few years. The seats start getting worn out so you decide to buy new ones. Now new seats, 2 of them, front and back, are going to cost a little but you don’t mind because you really want those new seats. You go to buy them but the store tells you that the only way to get them is to buy the total package, which means buying the entire car. It doesn’t matter that you already have the car, that you have had some amazing times in that car, to get the new seats you have to buy another car.

Doesn’t sound very fair does it? Making you buy something that you already have just so that you can get something that you really need and/or want.

I already bought the game so why should I have to pay for it again just to get the expansion?

I hope this explanation cleared it up for at least a few of you.

quaniesan.8497:

No one ever said “vet players don’t get anything”.

Do you even read these forums? That’s one of the biggest complaints going around. “new players got the core for free and us vets didn’t get anything” “where is my free character slot I spent a gazillion dollars on the gem store and deserve a freebie too”

TBH I didn’t even make it past that statement so not sure what the rest of you post even said..

briggah.7910:

quaniesan.8497:

No one ever said “vet players don’t get anything”.

Do you even read these forums? That’s one of the biggest complaints going around. “new players got the core for free and us vets didn’t get anything” “where is my free character slot I spent a gazillion dollars on the gem store and deserve a freebie too”

TBH I didn’t even make it past that statement so not sure what the rest of you post even said..

I can’t speak for everyone, but for me it’s not that I deserve a freebie for spending money on gems or such. it’s that Anet are supposedly offering the core game as an added extra – a side part, separate from the expansion. if I pay as much as a new player, it’d be nice if I could also get that core game. (for use as an alt account, or to give to a friend)

it more or less comes down to the bonus not being available to everyone equally – and that feels kinda crappy.

That’s great & all but why can’t HoT be a stand alone purchase/upgrade for those of us who already own gw2. Or did I miss something?

Agrotera.1254:

Say you buy a new car, you love it, you have it a few years. The seats start getting worn out so you decide to buy new ones. Now new seats, 2 of them, front and back, are going to cost a little but you don’t mind because you really want those new seats. You go to buy them but the store tells you that the only way to get them is to buy the total package, which means buying the entire car. It doesn’t matter that you already have the car, that you have had some amazing times in that car, to get the new seats you have to buy another car.

Doesn’t sound very fair does it? Making you buy something that you already have just so that you can get something that you really need and/or want.

Well, you don’t need new seats. Having worn seats doesn’t stop you from sitting on them and driving the car, nor are they required to be replaced unless they are not functional and thus is required to be replaced. The analogy doesn’t follow since there is no requirement to purchase HoT to continue to play the game. The core game will continue to get updates (such as feature additions, stability fixes, balance changes and even possibly world-event additions), HoT is an upgrade. If your analogy indicated you wanted a turbo upgraded transmission to make your car run faster and being unable to install it into your current car thus requiring the purchase of a vehicle that can, it makes more sense…but then transmission is extremely expensive on its own anyway so you might end up saving money in the long run, getting a new car with it already installed vs trying to integrate it into an old model. But again, it’s going on your own desire to upgrade, not on a necessity to upgrade.

briggah.7910:

Solori.6025:

briggah.7910:

Solori.6025:

I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.

Maybe its because frustrated people usually say stuff that really makes no sense since they only see it their way instead of seeing the big picture?

I get frustrated as do so many people. I say things out of frustration. Once I actually stop and think, I usually say in my head “wow that was silly of me to get so frustrated over something like that”

You have the right to be frustrated but most people that post out of frustration never see the big picture.

So many are still stuck on not getting something free because new players are getting a freebie. Some are stuck on the price and you have every right to be since everyone doesn’t have the same budget. Some are still stuck on not getting a free character slot when the game starts you with 5 and has 8 professions to begin with.

The big picture I see it as Anet wants to bring in more players into this game. A game needs players to continue to grow. Without players it will most likely die. Yes people will leave this game but I’d put money on that they will gain a lot more players then those that actually do leave.

Only time will tell. You can stick around and help this game grow even more or you can leave and be replaced by someone else who will. It is your choice.

That response did nothing to address the concern or reason why some people are angry,and honestly, you don’t have the ability or knowledge to do so. I do agree, complaining for the price is silly, complaining about new players coming into the game is silly.

It is NOT silly to expect a product that is advertised to be delivered.
It is NOT silly to expect some type of compensation for an item that can’t be delivered, even though it was advertised to be included.
It is also not silly to upgrade people that bought the core game 3-4 months to at least a standard edition of HoT. Those players especially deserve to be compensated.

I quoted you on you asking “I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.”

Pretty sure I made it clear that it is hard to understand the frustration of others. Also you sound pretty frustrated and to be honest, not really understanding you.

Are you a new or veteran players? Seeing as you think people who bought the game 2 – 3 months ago should be compensated, I’d guess that’s when you bought the game. If you are a veteran player let those people speak for themselves. Sounds like you heard a complaint and jumped on the complaint bandwagon.

Not sure how much the game was 2 – 3 months ago but I’ve seen it for $10. You mean to tell me they didn’t get $10 out of this game for those 2 – 3 months when a sub fee game would cost $10 per month? TBH not sure what sub fee games cost now a days.. Gave those up when FFXIV burned me.

You are still sidestepping the problem, asking an irrelevant question doesn’t make the problem go away. I am, personally a vet, I am also the one that paid for my friends core game. So no, I am not on the complaint bandwagon, but thank you for deciding it was necessary to address my play history instead of an actual completely valid concern.
Secondly, timeplayed has no relevancy and doesn’t excuse shady or bad business practices.

Do these responses sound frustrating to you because I don’t agree with you? I’m curious. Can you quote what I have typed that sounds like itsfrom someone frustrated or upset?

Agrotera.1254:

Doesn’t sound very fair does it? Making you buy something that you already have just so that you can get something that you really need and/or want.

I already bought the game so why should I have to pay for it again just to get the expansion?

I hope this explanation cleared it up for at least a few of you.

Good post! Will only say this though. What if by some chance the expansion is still $50 without the core game included? That was the problem I think on Anets parts. Your account gets upgraded when you purchased the xpac and if you already have the core game well your purchase is for HoT.

If people are thinking they are buying it twice look at it this way. What do you pay when you bought the game? What did you pay to upgrade the game to HoT?

been awhile but mine would be something like

$60 for game, $50 for xpac. That is $110 for both. Now if I thought like others and think I’m buying core twice wouldn’t it be more like

$60 for game, $60 cause i’m buying it twice, $50 for xpac. that comes out to $170

Leo G.4501:

Well, you don’t need new seats. Having worn seats doesn’t stop you from sitting on them and driving the car, nor are they required to be replaced unless they are not functional and thus is required to be replaced. The analogy doesn’t follow since there is no requirement to purchase HoT to continue to play the game. The core game will continue to get updates (such as feature additions, stability fixes, balance changes and even possibly world-event additions), HoT is an upgrade. If your analogy indicated you wanted a turbo upgraded transmission to make your car run faster and being unable to install it into your current car thus requiring the purchase of a vehicle that can, it makes more sense…but then transmission is extremely expensive on its own anyway so you might end up saving money in the long run, getting a new car with it already installed vs trying to integrate it into an old model. But again, it’s going on your own desire to upgrade, not on a necessity to upgrade.

I think a better comparison would be:

You buy new locks for your car doors, and they charge the price of the entire car for it, but you get the car along with it, unless you already had a car, but either way you pay full price. Also, you need to buy a deluxe edition of the car locks if you also want the keys to the car.

Solori.6025:

briggah.7910:

Solori.6025:

briggah.7910:

Solori.6025:

I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.

Maybe its because frustrated people usually say stuff that really makes no sense since they only see it their way instead of seeing the big picture?

I get frustrated as do so many people. I say things out of frustration. Once I actually stop and think, I usually say in my head “wow that was silly of me to get so frustrated over something like that”

You have the right to be frustrated but most people that post out of frustration never see the big picture.

So many are still stuck on not getting something free because new players are getting a freebie. Some are stuck on the price and you have every right to be since everyone doesn’t have the same budget. Some are still stuck on not getting a free character slot when the game starts you with 5 and has 8 professions to begin with.

The big picture I see it as Anet wants to bring in more players into this game. A game needs players to continue to grow. Without players it will most likely die. Yes people will leave this game but I’d put money on that they will gain a lot more players then those that actually do leave.

Only time will tell. You can stick around and help this game grow even more or you can leave and be replaced by someone else who will. It is your choice.

That response did nothing to address the concern or reason why some people are angry,and honestly, you don’t have the ability or knowledge to do so. I do agree, complaining for the price is silly, complaining about new players coming into the game is silly.

It is NOT silly to expect a product that is advertised to be delivered.
It is NOT silly to expect some type of compensation for an item that can’t be delivered, even though it was advertised to be included.
It is also not silly to upgrade people that bought the core game 3-4 months to at least a standard edition of HoT. Those players especially deserve to be compensated.

I quoted you on you asking “I don’t know how its hard to understand the frustration of others.”

Pretty sure I made it clear that it is hard to understand the frustration of others. Also you sound pretty frustrated and to be honest, not really understanding you.

Are you a new or veteran players? Seeing as you think people who bought the game 2 – 3 months ago should be compensated, I’d guess that’s when you bought the game. If you are a veteran player let those people speak for themselves. Sounds like you heard a complaint and jumped on the complaint bandwagon.

Not sure how much the game was 2 – 3 months ago but I’ve seen it for $10. You mean to tell me they didn’t get $10 out of this game for those 2 – 3 months when a sub fee game would cost $10 per month? TBH not sure what sub fee games cost now a days.. Gave those up when FFXIV burned me.

You are still sidestepping the problem, asking an irrelevant question doesn’t make the problem go away. I am, personally a vet, I am also the one that paid for my friends core game. So no, I am not on the complaint bandwagon, but thank you for deciding it was necessary to address my play history instead of an actual completely valid concern.
Secondly, timeplayed has no relevancy and doesn’t excuse shady or bad business practices.

Do these responses sound frustrating to you because I don’t agree with you? I’m curious. Can you quote what I have typed that sounds like itsfrom someone frustrated or upset?

Nope. The whole point of this thread was to show veterans that we did in-fact get more content than any new player that gets a free version of the core game. I said that over and over again and reason why I said what I said in my first post was because there were a lots of threads from veterans saying we got nothing yet new players got a freebie.

That was it. There are a bunch of other threads to talk about pricing and what not. I should have just ignored all those pricing posts in this thread so that is my fault. This thread wasn’t about pricing. Like most people, they missed the point of it and are stuck on the price or not getting something free or even being compensated. Just like most people are missing the big picture.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I think a better comparison would be:

You buy new locks for your car doors, and they charge the price of the entire car for it, but you get the car along with it, unless you already had a car, but either way you pay full price. Also, you need to buy a deluxe edition of the car locks if you also want the keys to the car.

The car is a free gift :^)

RabbitUp.8294:

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I think a better comparison would be:

You buy new locks for your car doors, and they charge the price of the entire car for it, but you get the car along with it, unless you already had a car, but either way you pay full price. Also, you need to buy a deluxe edition of the car locks if you also want the keys to the car.

The car is a free gift :^)

Not really a “Free gift” when it’s included in the price.
And you can’t sell or give away the extra copy of GW2 (which we already bought) that comes with HoT.

(Unless of course, you were being sarcastic. In which case, /laugh)