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She never said anything about families. She just said “their loss, their agony” – which “their” likely refers to those she killed and their brothers-in-arms.

Mike Winters.6871:

She probably the one that made up the flame seeker prophecies, she said she heard about it but glint is known a known fibber.

From my memory, she actually claims outright that she was the prophet of the Flameseeker Prophecies. It’s anyone’s guess whether it was a genuine prophecy, or whether she was taking advantage of her knowledge of her enemies to set them up for a fall.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Secondly, Khilbron may have had a personal vendetta against them – in The Vizier’s Tower poi/jumping puzzle in Straits of Devastation, one can find a Broken Mursaat Statue – the text of which indicates Khilbron struck it with a sword in anger.

This statue really interested me when I found it! You know the history better than I, Konig; can you think of any reason that Khlibron would have had a problem with the Mursaat during his lifetime in Orr? I know the Mursaat were hated for their betrayal when they ditched Tyria, but that was way before Khlibron’s time, surely. Yet that statue felt like a fairly personal grievance. All I can think of is that he found out about them, tried to contact them to gain power from them, was refused, and got bitter about it.

A really roundabout connection, but Khilbron was a servant of Abaddon, who had Titan servants, which were tasked to kill Mursaat. So whatever connection Abaddon had with the Mursaat was most likely the connection with the Titans and Khilbron

Most likely the situation is that Vizier Khilbron wanted to be the Flameseeker, which he did turn out to be, but to become the Flameseeker and open the door of Komalie he had to go through the hordes of Mursaat protecting the door. He most likely spent years trying to figure out a way to open this door, but the Mursaat and their spectral agony proved too much. Eventually he found the “chosen” in the form of our heroes and used us to kill the Mursaat and get to the door to claim the world for himself, and through him Abaddon. I would like to spend a moment and note that Khilbron did not send the Titans to any Mursaat settlements that we know of through his portals. The titans killing off the Mursaat was just a matter of being in the right place at the right time, his end all goal was to take the human capitals and control the world from there.

Narcemus.1348:

Khilbron did not send the Titans to any Mursaat settlements that we know of through his portals.

And I would like to note that we don’t know where mursaat settlements are outside of the Ring of Fire. So that point is saying just about nothing.

Plus, while water resistance would make it harder to attack a statue with a sword, Lich Lord Khilbron didn’t need to breathe – he could have done that damage to the mursaat statues after the Cataclysm.

Alternatively, depending on how much Khilbron was a witting or unwitting pawn of Abaddon, it might have been that the mursaat intervention in Kryta spoiled whatever plans Khilbron/Abaddon had for Kryta.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Narcemus.1348:

Khilbron did not send the Titans to any Mursaat settlements that we know of through his portals.

And I would like to note that we don’t know where mursaat settlements are outside of the Ring of Fire. So that point is saying just about nothing.

I was just pointing out that his portals, at least all of the portals that we found and closed, were to known human and dwarf settlements. The only Mursaat found in those areas would be invasion forces, not the base or homefront.

draxynnic.3719:

Alternatively, depending on how much Khilbron was a witting or unwitting pawn of Abaddon, it might have been that the mursaat intervention in Kryta spoiled whatever plans Khilbron/Abaddon had for Kryta.

That or Khilbron – in his desperate search for a plan to stop the invading charr – requested help from the mursaat first but was refused (he could’ve deemed the price too high for mursaat assistance, came up with a compromise solution but in turn he received a big NO).

I think that the reason for the presence of the statue in his quarters is overlooked. To me, it seems likely that he was on good terms with the mursaat, maybe even adored them until the mursaat betrayed him. For instance, another possibility could be the case of the Door of Komalie itself.

It just doesn’t make much sense that until the mursaat asserted dominance over Kryta and started their sacrifices to keep the door shut, there were not even gossips about someone kidnapping people en masse for unknown goals (and besides, the descriptions for the outpost/mission areas of the Ring of Fire suggest that it was completely charted, including Abaddon’s Mouth… as such, I would say that the mursaat fortifications there were recent additions, probably appearing there between 1070 and 1072 AE).

Just recently – after reading through this thread – I began to think that the Door’s stayed shut for millennia, but with Abaddon gaining more strength with each day he could’ve forced it open from the inside. The mursaat might have learned about what was going to happen (very bad for everyone) and acted immediately to thwart Abaddon’s plan. Abaddon kept – and increased – the pressure on the Door from the Foundry, while the mursaat had no choice but to harness soul energies to keep up with the fallen god.

Putting these together, it would give Khilbron the reason to hate the mursaat, as they were defying his god – who might have promised him (i.e. tricked him via Terick/Razakel) the necessary force (the titans) to save Orr if Komalie was opened. Khilbron’s obsession with himself being the Flameseeker could originate from Abaddon and Terick, actually, although if that’s the case, back then in his mortal days he might have believed to use the titans for good…

One last thought regarding the Vizier. The new lore in the Orrian History Scrolls changed my mind about him, and now I consider him a bit of a tragic hero. The fact that everyone knew that he had a plan to save Orr implies he wasn’t acting on his own, probably even told Reza that he had the means to destroy the charr, but didn’t go into the details. While it is true that he was already a follower of Abaddon by then, I doubt he was corrupted into betraying his people and his nation (even though simply knowing about Abaddon’s existence taints the soul and for that he or she is sent to the Realm of Torment to prevent the spread of Abaddon’s influence, but that taint is not equal to getting corrupted and becoming Abaddon’s minion – see Kormir, Melonni, the GW1 player, etc.). He might have actually believed that by using the magic Abaddon had gifted him, he could show the world that it was the God of Secrets whose intervention secured victory and that such noble god should be given amnesty and allowed to be revered again. It’s another matter entirely that poor Abaddon was crazy as hell from being exposed to the infinite torment of his realm for a thousand years, and wanted nothing else but to get back at his siblings – no matter the cost.

Thalador.4218:

One last thought regarding the Vizier. The new lore in the Orrian History Scrolls changed my mind about him, and now I consider him a bit of a tragic hero. The fact that everyone knew that he had a plan to save Orr implies he wasn’t acting on his own, probably even told Reza that he had the means to destroy the charr, but didn’t go into the details.

I’m by no means an expert in this area, but I always kind of felt that Khilbron’s original plan really was well-meaning, if desperate, and that he didn’t appreciate the magnitude of what it would do at the time. I agree with your summation – if he was a respected and powerful spellcaster, he may well have acted independently but no one would have reason to stop him if he was the person most likely to save Orr. It’s possible, to my mind, that corruption and less honourable intentions came post-death (undeath), when saving Orr was no longer a thing. In fact, the magic he unleashed may well have been what corrupted him.

Isn’t it obvious guys that Zhaitan corrupted him when the cataclysm happened. The jolt of energy awoke Zhaitan briefly and turned Khilbron into the Lich Lord.

Personally I believed in his good intentions until certain realm of torment quest chains. But honestly, he was most likely a ticking time bomb. We all know that prolonged exposure to Abaddon changes people, you can watch it merely through Varesh during Nightfall. If the charr hadn’t invaded, he still would have done something rash and vastly evil, eventually.

drkn.3429:

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Oh gotta love that censoring. x)