Amaranda The Lonesome's Enigmatic Utterance

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Posted by: Stephen.6312

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Introduction
Before I begin, I wanted to rectify some details I have presented in a previous post about the nature of the relationship between the briar of Briarthorn Den and the Pale Tree. In the short story “What Scarlet Saw” the briar is said to cling to the tree like a desperate lover. I posited that the two could be in some sort of twisted love tragedy. Recently, however, I re-read “The Movement Of The World”, which reveals that the Pale Tree is an oak, a monoecious species. I missed this seemingly insignificant detail. Consequently, I do not believe that there is any “personal” relationship between these two plants. Furthermore, although I once believed that the Pale Tree produced drupes (I was guessing, having overlooked the detail about it being an oak), clearly it produces acorns. I’m sure many other players already know this, but I’m pointing it out nonetheless for the sake of bringing anyone who might have missed these things up to speed.

The Potential Relevance Of This Detail
The fact that the Pale Tree is an oak does provide a clue about the following statement posted in the wiki entry for the Pale Tree:

“Twenty-five years prior to the start of Guild Wars 2, the Pale Tree birthed the twelve Firstborn sylvari. More sylvari joined them six to seven years later, with more following with greater frequency and in greater numbers.”

This is a reference to a botanical phenomenon known as a mast year, often observed in plants such as oaks. For the Pale Tree, it seems that every year is a mast year (compared to the former). I’m not sure if the compiler of this wiki article added this detail on his or her own behest, or whether they were copying something verbatim from another source. However, it is encouraging to learn that development has put such attention to detail into their game.

Malyck’s First Memory
It is hard to imagine a Living Story Season 2 that does not deal at least in passing with the origin of Malyck. This mysterious sylvari is probably the most famous member of his race, although very little is actually known of him. Indeed, it would seem that even Malyck doesn’t know many of the things to which he seeks answers. Players of the sylvari storyline dealing with him, however, attempt to help him draw some conclusions. They do so in conjunction with either Caithe or Trahearne.
Traditionally, Caithe’s assistance has been viewed as beneficial, whereas Trahearne’s has been the subject of mixed reviews (like so many other forms of “aid” the latter is known for). Both firstborn try to reconcile Malyck to the Dream of the Pale Tree; both try to help Malyck recover what they presume are “lost” memories. Caithe does this in a very practical manner, tracking Malyck’s movements back to his pod. Trahearne, a scholar at heart, opts instead to introduce Malyck to Amaranda The Lonesome, another mysterious sylvari with unusually strong ties to the Dream of the Pale Tree. In both cases, the same conclusion is reached: Malyck was not born of the Pale Tree.
But the enigmatic utterance of Amaranda The Lonesome has long been the subject of speculation by the player-base. To what is she referring?
It is this question which I am proposing an answer to.

When questioned by the firstborn, Malyck states that his “first memory…was lying by a river, staring up at an arched bridge”. Caithe later accompanies Malyck to this bridge, located in the Brisban Wildlands between the Gotala Cascade and Venlin Vale. From here, Malyck is able to point out the location of his pod, further upstream and much closer to the Ogotl Grounds of the cascade. Trahearne is afforded no such conveniences. He never locates Malyck’s pod. Instead, he asks Amaranda The Lonesome to help Malyck recover his memories. Amaranda searches Malyck’s mind before uttering the words,

“A distant shore – and darkness. A root, a cave…you. You are the seed. What Ronan knew and never told still lingers in the Dream.”

The prevailing interpretation of this statement is that Amaranda is referring to the events surrounding Ronan’s acquisition of the seed of the Pale Tree. However, there is another possibility – Amaranda may be relaying the details of Malyck’s first memory. To try to demonstrate this, consider where Malyck’s pod was located. It was in a river some distance from Amaranda’s location, “a distant shore”. It was in “darkness”, a “cave” to be precise, within which roots can be seen.

Conclusion
If this second interpretation is correct, it would mean that there was no contradiction between the details emerging from Caithe’s path and Trahearne’s path.

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Posted by: Stooperdale.3560

Stooperdale.3560

Let’s assume it is Malyck’s first memory. Why would Ronan be mentioned?

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

Malyck is said to be not part of the Dream, so why would Amaranda find anything related to Malyck’s memory? It sounds more like in looking for Malyck, she caught a glimpse not of his memory, but the Pale Tree’s memory as a seed (if such is possible) – that the act of Ronan finding the cave of seeds is hidden within the Dream, unknown to the sylvari.

“A distant shore” may be related more to the river in the distance that Malyck’s pod floated on, the shore lying to the west. “darkness” and “a cave” to the cave of seeds. What I don’t get is “you are the seed” – except that the memories she was seeing was the memories of the seed, and the “you” wasn’t in reference to Malyck but instead of the holder of the memories – that Amaranda was speaking in traditional clairvoyant “talking to the vision she’s having, not the people around her” manner. I think Trahearne realized this and thus realized Malyck, who’s memories couldn’t be found when attempted to be found within the Dream, was not tied to it.

Which, I realize now, the cave of seeds if my interpretation is right… would be near Malyck’s tree. And this, in turn, is near Mordremoth, supposedly, and all near The Falls location in GW1.

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Wanderer.3248

Wanderer.3248

Has anyone ever tried planting one of the pale trees seeds?

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Posted by: Konig Des Todes.2086

Konig Des Todes.2086

The Pale Tree, as far as I know, doesn’t have seeds to plant. And unlike oaks, the Pale Tree doesn’t produce acorns but instead “golden fruits” which the sylvari sprout out of. Many have speculated that the sylvari themselves are the seeds (which can point to Amaranda’s lines also with her apparent calling Malyck a seed), and that if they’re buried they’ll sprout a tree – though Riannoc hasn’t anything special, but Killeen and Fiana (a secondborn) have apparently unique trees in the area of their graves – in the latter’s case, the tree was pre-existing but came to bear magical fruit after Fiana’s death (this is the Tenebrith tree in Brisban), while Killeen’s has a youngish tree (too old to be new for her grave) and a bunch of sylvari mortars protecting it from the Branded (and, iirc, has sprouted flowers when Gullik shows up).

Dear ANet writers,
Stop treating GW2 as a single story. Each Season and expansion should be their own story.

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

Aaron Ansari.1604

Gullik brings the flowers, they don’t grow there.

R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.

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Posted by: Wanderer.3248

Wanderer.3248

On another note, was Scarlet’s body ever recovered?

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Posted by: Aaron Ansari.1604

Aaron Ansari.1604

Well, we definitely didn’t take it. It’s possible there could have been a clandestine behind-the-scenes recovery operation to secretly move it to some organization’s benefit, but unless they intend to make a plot point of it later on, my bet would be that the body was destroyed when the Breechmaker exploded.

If it was rescued, though, I expect it is somehow being dissected in an attempt to find out more on the entity, not being planted just to see what grows on the spot.

R.I.P., Old Man of Auld Red Wharf. Gone but never forgotten.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

CureForLiving.5360

On another note, was Scarlet’s body ever recovered?

Good question especially since it was looking kinda corrupted at the end there. Maybe we’ll have an evil/crazy pale tree in LA in a few hundred years…

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Posted by: Charrlizard.8041

Charrlizard.8041

On another note, was Scarlet’s body ever recovered?

Good question especially since it was looking kinda corrupted at the end there. Maybe we’ll have an evil/crazy pale tree in LA in a few hundred years…

No, she wasn’t corrupted on death (she very well might’ve been in life) Sylvari decompose rapidly, as Killeen did in the book. Scarlet was doing the same, that’s all.