Guild Wars 2

Can’t really search through all the post, so if there already is a topic for it. let me know and I’ll move it.

So all the mysteries of Azura and where they come up from the deeps – Where the uncatagorized Fractal location is- and when.
Weither or not if one structure is Azuran- Inquest- Mursaat- old or new, is all quite interesting. I would suggest we look at the material use – wear and plant overgrowth, mix of design and patterns to see if we can get somewhere..
There are many structures around. Ruins to investigate and odd things that might give clues.
First a few assumptions.
Locations:
Just like the real world we must assume that races of Tyria build cities along the same reasons as on earth. Near good rivers for fishing and transport, fresh water access, fertile soil from volcanoes nearby. or other likely natural reason for building exactly there.
In GW world that includes potentially Lay-lines.

Azura gates: I will assume that for a gate to work there must be an two gates. exit- entry.
They will need energy – and I will propose that they gain the power from the Lay-lines.
gw1 central transfer chamber stories and more seem to indicate that.

And lastly that developers have though of both design and texture skin when actually planning the building ^^

For the next few points Ill go over the locations and look at stones and textures.

Now lets have a look at some location and variation on textures and design.
gw003 is a corner of Coil. featuring 2 completely different stone types and structural designs.
The polished large black “inquesty” on the left – stones are orderly and flat often featuring silver writing
and the brighter sandstonelike more decorated with smaller stones.. in the wall that we can see some pillars are worn and crocked.
The decorated colourful small stoned walls, are the same as found in Rata Pten ruins
and are the same as found at Metrica province “old golem factory wp” and Ulta Metamigicals WP. Again bend and worn ruins we also find either priory historians excavating old ruins or Azura trying to salvage old knowledge.

Upper parts of Rata Sum has a 3rd style. bright coloured. but different patterned on the walls.

The dark inner coil stones are the same as used in Inquest complex north Metrica and the Fun house.

So we have established 3 separate stone and building styles..

Dark inquest . Brown Rata Sum . Sandstone Ruins

Pillars a bit odd and need more analysis as both round and square columns are present in the sandstone ruins. and partially in Brown Rata Sum. But never in the Dark Inquest (but sometimes as spires)

Now, already some of you will say; but I think I have seen x stones at y where there should be x.
And that is one of the mysteries.
The Base at Timberline Falls- Valance Tortury WP uses dark inquest – same with the base in Sparkfly Fen. but are managed by normal azura.

And it gets stranger.
the Gate that they are tweeking at Valance…. is being dug out. not build…. look at the roof and you see rocks in front of it. So the gate is older then the digsite.

Omnicron test + Bauxite Alchemicals are both in the brown Rata Sum style! . but look at the construction. Though not damaged by Zaitan. they look like the water level is not meant for the building.. Roof of BA odly sticks out of the sea..
Pillars support it mid water level. and manned by Inquest.

Ruined Pillar found at Old Glem Factory. gives a dates. “established 1294. status 1325” ref. to Oola,Vekk etc… this is the last 31 years we are talking about not “ancient ruins”. or did they just move into ancient ruins

Old overgrown gate at Ulta Metamagicals. along with working ones…. excavated from when?…. are they telling us that they are on expeditions excavating “ancient” 30 year old buildings ?

Thermanova – inquest stones.

Could it be explained by just local rocktypes.? no. the rocks are distinct and goes across huge distance. and type of land.

At Rata Sum- they have a shipping dock. Unloading crates from ship types that are sunken in Orr…. but they have gates to all known major cities.. only LA has a harbour.
Why would a magical gate making race use old ships to transport things and from where?… first time to get agate build sure… after?? wtf

Haven’t had time to look at Fractal Thermanova incident or uncatagorized.
But I’m fairly sure it will tell some stories once we figure all this out.

But based on the stones it seems at least to confirm the theory that the Azura didn’t build or design those early ruins or even Rata Sum, but reused it.

So: I would dare to say that like Rata Sum, there once was a floating structure above the coils location. in the same design as Rata Sum – more or less.- (about same size) with smaller hubs of structures around it both close and further away.. just Like Metrica.
Rata Pten is just a minor village like Desider Atum -
Both Rata Sum and Coil location match up in terms of water access and approx. size.
outer design match . -
I would dare that the Uncatagorized fractal structure is the missing square on top of coil. Gone missing at a major disaster as the Asura first tried to get the Mursat magi-tech to work. – it is now crashed landed in a fractal in.

I can yet grasp what part Dessa has in this, but is the ramifications of this past history would be something Asuras would try to keep secret for sure.

I also believe that the Cubular Fells is the leftovers of a construction site for the original building of the local area-

That there was a secret Mursaat location on Orr where Jinx Isles is.

And finally I would say that the Asura originaly where servants for the Mursaat – workforce.. hence knowledge of where the Mursat locations where- and they simply took over when the Mursaat fell…

Did nto read all of this – but I am quiteeee certain we would know if there had once been a city floating on top of the infinity coil. Also it was built AFTER the thaumanova reactor fallout specifically because OF the fallout, so it was built with the express purpose of being what it is, rather than of housing a city.

Cubular Fells I believe is hinted to be much like other rogue hidden Asuran structures – it’s where some crafty Asura tried to hide his treasure – hence the complex puzzle teleportation things.

As to Asura originally being servants to the Mursaat – I don’t see it. The Asura are an extremely intelligent race with remarkable technological and magical capabilities. The Mursaat would have struggled to hold control over them.

In GW1 the Asura Gates drew power from Primordius, NOT ley lines.. As to what powers them now – we don’t fully know. But there is nothing to suggest that ley lines PROVIDE power or energy….

As to the docks at Rata Sum, they make a lot of sense. Asura Gates have a specific size and for the transportation of large amounts of good you would sturggle to procure sole use of an Asura Gate to move them through. Then you have to question HOW those goods are being carried through the Asura Gate and also to WHERE.

Re. the coil it self. – yes the IC is indeed very new. and build after the Thermanova by the inquest.
Hence the black inquesty stones in the center. but there is an outer layer that is smashed up and of older design. Cities are build on top of cities – (in this case lab) but you get the drift.
That is the point of the post; to figure out when each building or part is build.

Cubular has the sandstone ruin design all the way up indicating the oldest of the 3 designs. The large amount of squandered blocks below would seem superfluous to hide a treasure.. . But alright. I’ll give that its a long strike. we have really nothing to indicate purpose.

Re. Servitude.. They may not originally have had that big an ability.
If they started as nothing more then servants while the very powerful Mursaat was there.. once the Mursaat was gone that would leave the Asura with a power vacuum – loads of powerful artifacts to study. and they may well have been slowly gaining intelligence and abilities while in service. Just not being powerful enough to break out under the Mursaat-

Re: gates and power. Think I read something about that as you say. it was from Primodius, with Central transfer over it.. but that does not explain how gates far away are powered. or how they power them now.
But there is now talk about how talk about how the Ley-lines feed the dragons. how the lines swell and now its a global network. That means its an energy source Asura for sure would have the power to tab into. and the older gates would have been used by someone before the Asura- still leaving the Mursaat as prime suspects.
Why are they digging out old gates? and calibrating them.—- why on those sometimes rather remote and odd places.?

The Docks. gates are abundant. often several gates are build in such remote locations as Ulta Metamagical-Brissbane (again older gates are found).
Building gates to the other cities brings commerce and is in all the cities interest. and I’m sure they are new.
But all the main cities are landlocked with no harbour, except Rata Sum and LA. .
it might just be transport of goods between those two and may well have been used to setup the first gates in LA but after that —- the gates are huge— far bigger then the ships loading doorways. The boats are not open, and the unloading happens by smaller golems. Nothing there would be better used by boat than gate- unless you don’t have a gate at the other side yet-.

If the Asura had been in servitude to the Mursaat then the dwarves would most likely have had at least SOME idea what Asura were back in GW1.. But they did not.

Same sort of thing with Thaumanova, if there had been a city there previously – we would have known about it. Unless you’re proposing that a city was built and destroyed within the space of 250 years and nobody ever noticed or documented its existence… It definitely did not exist back before or during GW1 – Droknar’s forge the dwarven capital city was very close to that point and we extensively explored that area.

There is now talk about ley lines- from players. Players are not a conclusive source of information. We have like ONE quote from Scarlet to go on regarding their existence and purpose – which is not a whole lot.

As far as we know the Asura gates were invented BY the Asura, so no the Mursaat would not have been using them at some point – Back in GW1 the only Asura gates that you could encounter were underground – the Asura used to live underground. The Mursaat did not…
The Asura aren’t digging out old gates and recalibrating them, all of the gates you find in GW2 are new gates that have been built by the Asura.

You have to remember that at one point Cantha and it’s docks were open, whilst the Asura would not have been able to travel there, human ships going through the harbour would have needed some place to dock and stock up and the placement of the docks would have allowed human sailors to bring shipments from Cantha (where there are no Asura gates).

You WAY overestimate Asura gates. Asura gates have a lot of purposes, from transporting goods to transporting people – to transport large amounts of goods through an Asura gate you would have to reserve it, which means nobody else could pass through for that duration of time – not very effective. We know that Lions Arch is a TRADING PORT and the fact that it is a harbour is rather important – it makes sense for the Asura to have a dock set up along their end of the Tarnished Coast specifically for intermediary trading, restocking of ships etc – it also gives them a platform from which to explore. Asura gates can only take you to other Asura gates, and both gates have to be attuned to one another – for Asura to explore outwards they need some other form of transport – hence ships. (Not to mention it provides them with a possible source of fishing)

Re: Thaumanova. It is indeed a new construction. as indicated by the black smooth stones mentioned above. There is no sign of previous structures. Unlike coil etc.
I haven’t played GW1 so any data fee from it is quite valuable. I try to glean some data from gw1 wiki. and I’m a bit confused about the Droknar’s forge- wiki states Shiverpeeks
Not even remotely close to Thaumanova. Could you elaborate?
The maps have changed quite a lot from gw1 to gw2 did you mean the coil structure and not Taumanova?

I’m also still uncertain about what everyone found in gw1. as there was several expansions. As far as I can tell only the last expansion had Asura?

Gates old versus new.-
Well; take Rata Pten (see picture) is that a new gate? or an abandoned old one.
Gate in the cave in Valence.. now the outside structure is new black stone. and separated from the cave entry. They state that they are making more room and calibrating. but nothing about why.. There are clearly rocks in front and above it.
If it was new would you not clear the site before setting the gate?

Cantha as shipping line makes great sense. Thank you- makes more sense. Also why ships in Orr are same design. .

LA and fishing is a bit of a different matter. there are 2 ship types in the Habour at Rata Sum- smaller sailing ships- likely for fishing, and those huge barges (with no means of propulsion) same ship design as the ones in Orr. but as you say. if this was used in Cantha leftover ships would make sense. and reuse for cargo as indicated by the golems seems viable, especially if, as you say- there is limits on gate use.

From the stones and structures, use and neglect- we are still able to see 3 separate periods..
How old exactly I am hoping to get help to figure out.. and then we can start mapping Asura data much better.

The black smooth inquesty stones with silver writings seems newest based on Thaumanova and coil etc I’d say max 50 years.
How shortened to (BI)

The brownish very decorated seem older than that- perhaps from up to 200 years old or less.
(now shortened to BD)

The sandstone ruins seems at least older than that but that’s really – really what I want to get the community to help figure out.
(now shortened to SR)

Yes I meant the infinity coil is located close to where drop are forge was. You have to realise that in GW1 that area was still part of the shiver peak mountains, it’s only with Zhaitans rise and Mount Maelstrom coming up that the landscape has changed. You can see the runs of Droknars close by in the water, I think some quaggas have set up a village there.

Yes only the last expansion had Asura, Asura came from underground and as such had no native land. The only place we encountered their architecture was in rats sum. Almost ALL of the areas we can explore in GW2 are areas that were exploitable in GW1, so we know that there were no Asuran structures anywhere other than Rata Sum. Which means any Asuran a Structures ground in GW2 have to have been built in the last 250 years.

Regarding the ship designs in Orr being the same – don’t place too much credence on that. It’s a game and they have to limit the amount of models in game in order to save space, which means that objects like ships tend to all reuse the same model. What we see in game is more like a representation of what is there, rather than absolutely what it should look like (which can make things complicated).

I’m on a tablet at the moment which makes the stone types a little difficult to check out. But I will have a look later today. I think its worth pointing out that Rata Sum was built on huge ruins of some unknown civilisation (although we suspect it may actually be Asuran ruins from a time when they lived on the surface but have since forgotten). There were also similar ruins dotted throughout the tarnished coast. The Asura seem to have taken the designs of those ruins as inspiration for all their architecture moving forward from that point. So that would possibly account for the three types of stone? We cannot put a date on the oldest type though, there is nothing anywhere to suggest who built the ruins that Rata sum was founded on, nor when.