Guild Wars 2

BrunoBRS.5178:

there are historical records of the gods though. not just tomes and tomes of things written about them by multiple races, but global events that are a direct result from these gods. then you have orr.

Religions today act the same way, granted the time gap is much larger than 250 years. One could easily argue that as generations passed, these “events” would be interpreted as nothing more than wise tales. Being told accounts isn’t as powerful as experiencing them yourself first hand. Nightfall nor the Titan invasion fell upon every single place around the world, just targeted locations. So for villagers who’ve never seen these threats, it’s difficult to say they would believe they happened at all.

We, the player, knew the gods existed. We fought for their favor, we watched them war with each other, and we watched one try to seed his influence throughout Tyria. But not every little woman and child throughout Tyria shared our experiences. The events were isolated and as the Titans showed, they were beaten back – it wasn’t long before the Charr splintered and those who fought against the Flame Legion called them False Gods.

It goes back to my initial post when I said that in this era, their presence has been so minute that skepticism could easily be high.

Ronin.7381:

Jermoe Morrow.9501:

Although that technically happened in GW1, could the argument continue that it was all myth?

At this point it’s plausible that skeptics would be growing by the dozens. But to answer the question itself, they had corporeal forms. And their powers were often exhibited via Favor of The Gods. Plus watching Komir ascend was kind of a big factor. That and Wintersday was a game of sorts between Dwayna and Grenth which brought snow into Lions Arch.

Skepticism may have started but doubting the gods on a large scale after only 250 years is like the general population of The USA doubting that George Washington ever existed.

Dustfinger.9510:

Skepticism may have started but doubting the gods on a large scale after only 250 years is like the general population of The USA doubting that George Washington ever existed.

the events are far too recent and far too widespread (also far too well-documented by various races). and like i said, there's physical evidence of the gods existence spread throughout tyria. the bloodstone being shattered everywhere, for one. arah, for another.

this isn’t like doubting the old testament is true. this is like doubting the french revolution happened.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Dustfinger.9510:

Skepticism may have started but doubting the gods on a large scale after only 250 years is like the general population of The USA doubting that George Washington ever existed.

the events are far too recent and far too widespread (also far too well-documented by various races). and like i said, there's physical evidence of the gods existence spread throughout tyria. the bloodstone being shattered everywhere, for one. arah, for another.

this isn’t like doubting the old testament is true. this is like doubting the french revolution happened.

exactly. Doubting actual historical figures who played such a major role in so many things is pretty unlikely on any large scale. especially in just 250 years.

Dustfinger.9510:

BrunoBRS.5178:

Dustfinger.9510:

Skepticism may have started but doubting the gods on a large scale after only 250 years is like the general population of The USA doubting that George Washington ever existed.

the events are far too recent and far too widespread (also far too well-documented by various races). and like i said, there's physical evidence of the gods existence spread throughout tyria. the bloodstone being shattered everywhere, for one. arah, for another.

this isn’t like doubting the old testament is true. this is like doubting the french revolution happened.

exactly. Doubting actual historical figures who played such a major role in so many things is pretty unlikely on any large scale. especially in just 250 years.

If history can doubt the existence of the gunmen on the grassy knoll in just 50 years…

H’okai so, here is how I debunk the myth!

You may find one or two human gods within Guild Wars 2.

/thread

Actually, this is not true. It is not only sylvari. Many humans are also stated to be skeptic of the gods’ existence. An example is the Vigil marksman in the Cathedral of Zephyrs that states he does not believe in the gods, for they have never assisted him in his life.
Asuran scientists, particularily older ones, also have a tendency to discredit spiritual relations between Priests and gods; particular example is the VOED personal storyline teacher, whom you can interact once more in the Cathedral of Silence, in Orr.

CureForLiving.5360:

If history can doubt the existence of the gunmen on the grassy knoll in just 50 years…

Little different situation here. The gunman on the grassy knoll wasn’t a known figure if he/she ever existed. So it wasn’t somebody that everyone knew and then fell into the realm of legend.

Anmida.4058:

Actually, this is not true. It is not only sylvari. Many humans are also stated to be skeptic of the gods’ existence. An example is the Vigil marksman in the Cathedral of Zephyrs that states he does not believe in the gods, for they have never assisted him in his life.
Asuran scientists, particularily older ones, also have a tendency to discredit spiritual relations between Priests and gods; particular example is the VOED personal storyline teacher, whom you can interact once more in the Cathedral of Silence, in Orr.

I’m curious if you have the asuras dialog available.

Dustfinger.9510:

I’m curious if you have the asuras dialog available.

Wiki scavenging to the rescue!

Speaking with Pokka:

>(if not asura)
Gods, spirits—pfaugh! Give me a good old-fashioned arcanoconverter and some widgets anyday!

> You don’t believe in the Six Gods?
Of course not. I’m an asura! We believe in the Eternal Alchemy, the machine of the universe. We are all just cogs in the apparatus.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cathedral_of_Silence_%28story%29

Ah, nice. That’s the first asura NPC in game I’ve seen explicitly deny the gods. I have seen a few humans express their doubts though. Also, this:

Esprits d’Orr : Are the Gods still worshipped with the same intensity as in GW1?

Angel McCoy : They are not. When the gods withdrew, many humans saw it as a betrayal, as if the gods were abandoning them to the dragons. More than a few humans turned away from their worship as a result. There are those at the other extreme as well, those who think that all they need to do is worship harder to entice the gods to return.

The grand majority of the human population falls somewhere between these two extremes. Only the most ancient of humans (who have magical longevity) have lived more than 250 years and have seen a god or avatar face-to-face. 99% of the population has not. Thus, the “fact” that gods once walked among humans is quickly taking on the characteristics of myth. Some even disbelieve that it actually happened and blame reports of such incidences on mass hallucination or wine. http://esprits-dorr.fr/node/261

I’m amused that the above quote could be read as meaning that as much of 1% of the human population has magically enhanced longevity…

Horst Hortensie.5420:

Diovid.9506:

Dustfinger.9510:

Diovid.9506:

Reaper of Grenth at the end of the personal story is again just an avatar and could of course be wrong/lying.

The definition of an avatar is an incarnation of a being. If the reaper really is an avatar, then the god must actually exist.

As a defintional remark, you are correct. However, how do we really know he is an avatar?

He looks like one. He acts like one. We’ve got told he is one. We don’t have more informations at most places.

He’s actually not an avatar in the technical sense, but an emissary. The Reapers are the spirits of seven heroes that helped Grenth to defeat Dhuum – this means that they are individual entities in their own rights.