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ok ok i agree with what was said earlyer this has gone off topic :s
(do we really need another why i hate hot story thread?)
i mean alot of this should have went into the “loose threads” post!

Deleena.3406:

(do we really need another why i hate hot story thread?)

No, but Slowpoking is a troll who keeps arguing for the sake of bashing ArenaNet left and right. It’s why I stopped responding.

And though this post will probably get an infraction and deletion because I used the t word, I hope others see this and stop the pointless discussion with someone who won’t stop arguing.

There is a particular quote that comes to mind: Don’t argue with idiots, for they will bring you down to their level and beat you with years of experience.

AESOkami.1072:

First off, why the kitten did Mordremoth have to die so quickly?

Yeah, I think everyone agrees that the final stages were a bit… abrupt. There could easily have been at least a couple more story steps in there (one involving finding a secret way into Dragon’s Stand rather than simply waltzing down Dragon’s Path in the open world, say, and one involving getting the Pact set up in Dragon’s Stand ready to start launching an attack on the Mouth of Mordremoth before going into Bitter Harvest).

But as Konig said, this thread is aimed towards speculating to the future, not complaining about the shortfalls of HoT.

Second, why should we wonder about how the Black Citadel would react to Rytlock returning? The charr didn’t seem to care about him disappearing before.Why would they care now?

It’s not the fact of his coming back, it’s what he’s come back as.

The revenant is probably the closest thing GW2 has to a divine spellcasting profession, as it explicitly draws its power from entities in the Mists. it would be very easy to imagine a revenant-like profession that draws its powers from the Six Gods instead. Now, we know that the relationship between a revenant and the legends they draw power from is quite different to that between a god and a priest… but the typical charr won’t know that, and to said typical charr channeling a legend could look awfully similar to receiving power from worship.

And in Iron Legion territory at least, suspicion that you engage in worship can get you tried on suspicion of being a Flame Legion sympathiser.

And I don’t see a reason why The Shining Blade’s plans for Canach should be brought up either. My guess is that they’ll both just be random story filler.

Because Canach mentions it. It probably will be a sideplot rather than the main arc, though, although it might still get a fair amount of screentime if LS3 goes deep into Krytan politics.

Here are some questions that still need answering: What happens to the sylvari race now? Where’s Malyck? What does the future hold for the Nightmare Court and the Pale Tree? How are all those political problems in Divinity’s Reach doing? Arenanet left so many hanging threads that were never answered in the end and, if they’re truly moving on to the next elder dragon, probably will never get answered.

All good questions.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Deleena.3406:

(do we really need another why i hate hot story thread?)

No, but Slowpoking is a troll who keeps arguing for the sake of bashing ArenaNet left and right. It’s why I stopped responding.

And though this post will probably get an infraction and deletion because I used the t word, I hope others see this and stop the pointless discussion with someone who won’t stop arguing.

There is a particular quote that comes to mind: Don’t argue with idiots, for they will bring you down to their level and beat you with years of experience.

Ah yes, the old “call them a troll if you can’t get them to agree with you, because no one should be allowed to disagree with you” tactic.

DarcShriek.5829:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Deleena.3406:

(do we really need another why i hate hot story thread?)

No, but Slowpoking is a troll who keeps arguing for the sake of bashing ArenaNet left and right. It’s why I stopped responding.

And though this post will probably get an infraction and deletion because I used the t word, I hope others see this and stop the pointless discussion with someone who won’t stop arguing.

There is a particular quote that comes to mind: Don’t argue with idiots, for they will bring you down to their level and beat you with years of experience.

Ah yes, the old “call them a troll if you can’t get them to agree with you, because no one should be allowed to disagree with you” tactic.

While I agree that calling him a troll might be too much, not responding to him is actually the only way right now, since he ignores one crucial fact, in favour of his own headcannon.
Mordremoth ended up only as a stepping stone for the overall plot, however he argues on and on about how he should have been handled better and more dangerous.
Something no one disagrees with, but he still bombarded further and further with questions about why he wasn`t handled better and why he wasn`t a better villian.

It just doesn`t make sense, if the answer is allready given multiple times and he asks them again and again, like he wants to force his head through a wall, instead of using the big neon lit door.

However again. Not the topic of this thread.

DarcShriek.5829:

Ah yes, the old “call them a troll if you can’t get them to agree with you, because no one should be allowed to disagree with you” tactic.

More like the “point out that he disagrees with everyone who agrees with him and will repeat already repeated points just to carry on the discussion, despite the fact that his original post which started this discussion was terribly off-topic and he successfully brought everyone to his level in discussion something totally unrelated to the topic this thread was made for” tactic.

Based on what Colin wrote, I’d expect to see the following and get at least a few lingering plot points addressed in some manner if not fully:

Black Citadel’s reaction to Rytlock’s shiny new revenant powers, as well as the apparently recent resurgence of revenants all over the place (as Pact NPCs discuss the phenomenon briefly in Tarir), will likely cause friction among the Legions who could potentially view charr becoming revenants as Flame Legion 2.0 with all that siphoning power from legends that reminds them of the incident with Titans etc. It’s interesting how the NPCs discussing it in Tarir don’t include any charr NPCs; perhaps that was Anet’s way of leaving the question open to be resolved in S3.

Iron Imperator Smodur might be facing a political dilemma here. On the one hand Rytlock is a notable, trusted hero who has helped defeat two Elder Dragons as well as the Flame Imperator, but on the other hand Blood Imperator Bangar and Rytlock’s fellow tribunes in the Blood Legion might want to question Rytlock about these new powers and if the ever-increasing number of revenants may pose a threat to charr interests. This could neatly tie into a future Blood Legion storyline where Bangar decides to take action now that the threat of the Ascalonian ghosts has somewhat diminished and the Flame Legion is fractured in a power struggle within its ranks, so he no longer has to worry about a war on two fronts if he wants to make his ambitions known. This could also be a good opportunity to have Ash Imperator Malice have her operatives take an even greater interest in what’s happening in Ascalon although my guess is that neither the Ash nor Blood storylines will receive much development for the time being as we focus on the fallout of Mordremoth’s demise.

Another notable conflict involves Rox and “Monti Scythescrape” if that is his real name. We saw tension between the two in Camp Resolve during S2, and Rox also let it slip that the reason she was in the Pact camp was to spy on someone. Rox was rather adamant on not elaborating further (even coming up with lies on the spot when she realized she’d given away too much) whenever the Pact Commander talked to her, and Monti likewise acted rather shady even in the presence of the charr PC. Perhaps we’ll see more development with this subplot once our focus shifts back to the Black Citadel.

I would expect some sort of sendoff for Eir and Trahearne with maybe the Pact Commander giving a memorial speech similar to how the PC and Trahearne held one for Apatia in Hoelbrak in the Personal Story. A sort of tribute to them with a funeral pyre in Tarir or some other notable place/city with Pact officers and Destiny’s Edge members attending it and mourning all who fell in the war against Mordremoth would be a nice heroes’ farewell. On that note, I hope that we’ll also check up on the Pale Tree and deliver the good (and bad) news to her.

Speaking of sylvari, I would expect some acknowledgement of the change within the Mordrem Guard. As we learned in Rata Novus during HoT, the MG weren’t fully corrupted but were in fact aware of what they were doing yet unable to stop the dragon from manipulating their minds to make them carry out its will. With the dragon now gone and its siren song ended, it should mean that the MG can return to normal as they no longer hear the dragon’s orders (whether that means they’re stuck in their monstrous forms or can turn back into beautiful sylvari should be interesting to see). Or do they? Will some MG have gone crazy that even with the dragon’s demise they refuse to surrender and face judgement, will some in the Pact automatically slaughter any MG despite some of them having returned to the light? Will any of Mordremoth’s champions, who may have siphoned the magic released from the dragon’s body and grown in power, continue their master’s work and force the weaker MG to stay loyal to the dragon’s cause? I’d like to see loose ends like Blademaster Cellona (whom we can’t fight in southern Auric Basin) to be dealt with one way or another since to me she seems like content that ended up on the cutting floor. Why else would you introduce such a character and even have named minions around her instead of generic mobs?

There’s also the lingering issue of Duchess Chrysanthea and the future of the Nightmare Court. With Faolain gone and the Court already fractured into multiple splinter factions, does this mean Chrysanthea will lead a more morally grey splinter faction closer to Cadeyrn’s original vision? I’d like to see the story address the sylvari’s reaction to Nightmare Court having assisted the Dreamers against the dragon and whether this leads to tension in the Grove. With the world now aware of the sylvari’s origins, perhaps both the Court and the Dreamers will have to form an uneasy alliance to survive against the racists that will emerge. It would also be nice to learn more about Chrysanthea as she was so abruptly introduced in Dragon’s Stand with no setup whatsoever. The fact that she was voiced by Debi Derryberry, had a unique model and had intriguing dialogue with the PC indicates that she’ll play a part in the plot in the future.

This leads us to Canach, Anise and Divinity’s Reach. We might see part of the HoT teaser cinematic actually happening in the game now: Canach being attacked in DR. Although Mordremoth is gone, its legacy will continue as many in the Pact became downright racist towards sylvari and will have spread that knowledge across Tyria by now. Caudecus and the Ministers will likely pressure Jennah and Anise to take action against the sylvari for their perceived betrayal and rouse the citizens and nobles against them. With Logan still recovering from his injuries, who knows if Caudecus can use proxies to somehow manipulate a patsy to be placed as Commander of the Seraphs until Logan’s well again, thus strengthening his power base and leading to a sylvari witch hunt. Perhaps they could also dwell on the topic of the Krytan locket introduced in S2 and who the supposed true heir is meant to be, not to mention give us more hints of E’s identity (who I still believe to be Ela Makkay for several reasons) while we’re at it, but that might also be a plot they want to save until later.

I also expect us to return to Tarir to check up on the egg, perhaps flesh out the Exalted a bit more and hopefully talk with the notable ones like Ruka and the Luminate again. Ogden, if we get to meet him in this season at all, should hopefully give the PC more information now that the PC has proven his or her loyalty to the cause beyond any doubt after the PC passed the tests in Tarir and because the egg chose the PC as its champion. If Ogden still acts evasive and says we’re still not supposed to know stuff yet, I guess even my diplomatic Dawnbloom sylvari will have to resort to “aggressive negotiations” with that stubborn old dwarf so he’ll finally spill the beans.

Depending on how widely spread the knowledge of the egg’s existence is, this could also lead to a very interesting plot point. If Tyria as a whole learns that there’s a dragon out there with potential to become an Elder Dragon ready to hatch, how many will cheer and how many will dread that it’ll become just like the others? This growing hostility could put the PC’s loyalties into question, having to go against the Tyrian population to safeguard the egg/hatchling from them while trying to convince Tyria that the PC has not been corrupted by a dragon and that the baby will play a crucial role in the salvation of the world.

And speaking of the Commander, I’d expect the Forsaken Thicket’s raid wings to tie into the plot in the following manner: the plot so far has set up the squad leader who apparently was deemed worthy to be taken beyond the wall. I’d assume the PC succeeds in saving this leader who may play a part in future storylines, perhaps becoming Trahearne’s replacement as a new Marshal. In the meantime, though, the story should show us the problems the PC will face as the temporary Marshal if only to make it absolutely clear to all glory hounds among the playerbase how difficult a role being a Marshal actually is and how much it ties us down when we have to balance it with being the new leader of Destiny’s Edge. Heck, the story could even further elaborate on the dilemma by showing the Pact not being pleased by its current Marshal, the PC, running off to save the world instead of managing the Pact like he or she should, thus leading to the need to have a new Marshal so the PC can continue being the wandering hero. We’ve already seen hints of this in Verdant Brink where the Pact members lament how the Commander is rarely around.

Why do so many people suddenly speculate that Rytlock becoming a Revenant will cause trouble with the Legions? Was there a statement I missed or any other hint towards that? I’m a bit out of the loop, sorry.
Still if there is no such hint, than I have to ask: Why would the Legions, especially Smodur have any problem with that? I know Charr hate the thought of worshipping anything and yes they distrust magic users. But let’s face it, being a Revenant has nothing to do with worshipping anyone, it’s merely honoring the memory of great warriors, something the Charr already do, as we can see by all those statues they build.
And while Charr distrust spellcasters, the Revenants are still primarily close combat fighters, that just happen to also wield magic. I mean it’s not like the Charr aren’t opportunistic enough to use any resource they can get their paws on to win a fight.
If the countless spellcasters in the legions aren’t a hint, than them being okay with the searing ritual (the ultimate Flame Legion spell) being used on the Risen in Orr, certainly is. So again, why would they not be okay with Revenants?

It’s based off the “How will the Black Citadel react when they learn of the return of Rytlock?” tease Johanson threw at us- speculation on why that’d be relevant to the story at all. Personally, I think it’s more likely they’re picking the ghost banishment back up, but so far we don’t have much to guess off of.

BuddhaKeks.4857:

Why do so many people suddenly speculate that Rytlock becoming a Revenant will cause trouble with the Legions? Was there a statement I missed or any other hint towards that? I’m a bit out of the loop, sorry.

Yes.

With the recent death of Mordremoth, the Pact and its armies are in disarray with the vast majority of its troops dead or missing. Survivors have begun to regroup or gone home to mourn the dead while the heroes of the great invasion into the jungle investigate a strange disturbance to the north. Within the golden city of Tarir, the last known dragon egg rests protected by the Exalted—but the egg begins to crack. What creature lies within the egg? An enemy or an ally? In other corners of Tyria, the remaining powerful elder dragons continue to expand their control—but what impact will the death of the two of the elder dragons have on them and on Tyria itself? What impact will being held by Mordremoth have on Zojja and Logan? What research will Taimi uncover at Rata Novus? What plans do Anise and the Shining Blade have for Canach? How will the Black Citadel react when they learn of the return of Rytlock? These questions and more await you in season three of Living World! We’ll give you more details as we get closer to its launch.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/state-of-the-game-update-q1-2016/

That the reaction regards Rytlock becoming a revenant seems obvious because of a simple question: Why would their reaction be brought up unless it’s something to focus on, and why would they react if he came back as he left?

BuddhaKeks.4857:

If the countless spellcasters in the legions aren’t a hint, than them being okay with the searing ritual (the ultimate Flame Legion spell) being used on the Risen in Orr, certainly is.

I fail to see how the Pact using the Searing ritual spell has anything to do with the current Legions’ views.

It wasn’t the Legions who used it – it was another, unrelated, group. It just happened to be that a Durmand Priory charr helped cast it. But we don’t know Barron’s ties to the High Legions after he joined the Priory, and he’d have been around magical artifacts so much that it’d be highly likely he long lost any negative view of them from his times in the Legions (if he was ever in the Legions).

BuddhaKeks.4857:

But let’s face it, being a Revenant has nothing to do with worshipping anyone, it’s merely honoring the memory of great warriors, something the Charr already do, as we can see by all those statues they build.

Not even honoring the memory – it’s more that they’re simply using the memory (and its imprint on the Mists) as a power source. What they think of the legend is immaterial – since we have villains among the legends, it’s entirely likely that you could have contempt for the individual and still draw from it.

The problem is, as I’ve explained earlier in this thread, that we know that being a revenant doesn’t involve worshipping the legends. Your typical random charr soldier, however, probably doesn’t know that. What they see is someone invoking a powerful entity and receiving power from doing so – which looks an awful lot like worship and receiving the rewards of worship.

i think in lore Revenants may favor legends closer to their race (unlike we the PC who are bound by mechanics xD)
Charr kinda seem like the “its ok if it works to our advantage type” too me
i dont see a rev being treated no different then a necro IMO

(i would not be suprised if a flame leagion spy try to use Rytlock’s new powers as a way to turn the leagons on each other)

Jaken.6801:

While I agree that calling him a troll might be too much, not responding to him is actually the only way right now, since he ignores one crucial fact, in favour of his own headcannon.
Mordremoth ended up only as a stepping stone for the overall plot, however he argues on and on about how he should have been handled better and more dangerous.
Something no one disagrees with, but he still bombarded further and further with questions about why he wasn`t handled better and why he wasn`t a better villian.

It just doesn`t make sense, if the answer is allready given multiple times and he asks them again and again, like he wants to force his head through a wall, instead of using the big neon lit door.

However again. Not the topic of this thread.

Sorry Mordremoth isn’t a stepping stone, it is the antagonist of the xpc, you don’t bring up some “overall plot” by ruin the camping against it. It was VERY clear in the LS and HoT that it is the biggest problem we ’ve had now.

Slowpokeking.8720:

Jaken.6801:

While I agree that calling him a troll might be too much, not responding to him is actually the only way right now, since he ignores one crucial fact, in favour of his own headcannon.
Mordremoth ended up only as a stepping stone for the overall plot, however he argues on and on about how he should have been handled better and more dangerous.
Something no one disagrees with, but he still bombarded further and further with questions about why he wasn`t handled better and why he wasn`t a better villian.

It just doesn`t make sense, if the answer is allready given multiple times and he asks them again and again, like he wants to force his head through a wall, instead of using the big neon lit door.

However again. Not the topic of this thread.

Sorry Mordremoth isn’t a stepping stone, it is the antagonist of the xpc, you don’t bring up some “overall plot” by ruin the camping against it. It was VERY clear in the LS and HoT that it is the biggest problem we ’ve had now.

And this entire expansion is just ONE chapter in the story that is guild wars 2, mordremoth may be the antagonist of this expansion but he is NOT the main antagonist of guild wars 2, so in every essence he is just that, a stepping stone

But go ahead and continue your delusional fanfiction in your head, if you also want to believe darth maul is the main antagonist of star wars thats fine too, but it doesnt make it true