Guild Wars 2

Hi folks,

I’m sorry if this has been posted before, but after reading the Exalted tablets from ‘A Study in Gold’ more closely, a fellow roleplayer has stumbled upon this pretty outrageous continuity error:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/A_Study_in_Gold

“Glaust herself was a defender of civilization, at great risk to herself, and Kralkatorrik understood the depth of her betrayal and killed her for it.”

So let’s get that straight. These lines are supposed to be from the final speech which the last of the Forgotten has given to the Exalted. That’s approximately 200 years ago.

Glint died just eight/nine years prior to where we are now. We definitely need some fixing here. Almost as bad as the time they messed up Dhuum with Abaddon.

Eew, thats a pretty catastrophic oversight.

Whats worse, is that she had already changed her name to Glint by the time she died, yet the tablet refers to her as Glaust, and all the Exalted refer to her as Glint as well.

Somebody seriously out-of-touch wrote this.

The Exalted were recruited and construction of Tarir began 200 years ago, but I don’t think we were ever given an exact date in which the last Forgotten died. Only that it was sometime between then and now.

I’d agree it might be an oversight, but I don’t think it’s a horribly massive one, especially since we don’t know the average lifespan of a Forgotten.

Argon.1563:

Eew, thats a pretty catastrophic oversight.

Whats worse, is that she had already changed her name to Glint by the time she died, yet the tablet refers to her as Glaust, and all the Exalted refer to her as Glint as well.

Somebody seriously out-of-touch wrote this.

You have to remember that the speech is being made by a Forgotten and not an Exalted, and as the Forgotten said itself in one of the tablets, “Glaust has been known by many names, and even we do not know her true name. She is called Glint in these modern times and she entrusted us with using her legacy for Tyria.” It’s only after the Forgotten points out that she is now called Glint in the modern age does s/he continue to refer to her as such in the tablets. All the times previously the Forgotten referred to her as Glaust.

I wouldn’t be all that surprised if the Forgotten that did the speech was ancient, and they grew up during an era before Glint adopted her new modern name.

Erukk.1408:

The Exalted were recruited and construction of Tarir began 200 years ago, but I don’t think we were ever given an exact date in which the last Forgotten died. Only that it was sometime between then and now.

I’d agree it might be an oversight, but I don’t think it’s a horribly massive one, especially since we don’t know the average lifespan of a Forgotten.

I think the idea is supposed to be that the speech came before their hibernation, though, and that the hibernation came before Rata Novus fell- which certainly wasn’t in the last decade or so.

This is one of two statements by Exalted which indicate Glint died before they went into hibernation. The other is one of the Exalted Sages in Tarir, who states “A Forgotten spell granted Glint the free will to break from her Elder Dragon master, Kralkatorrik. Hundreds of years later, Kralkatorrik destroyed our beloved prophet for her betrayal.” – not innately wrong, but odd wording consider it would have been at at least 3,000 years later.

The wiki has a template used when lore discrepancies appear, and it is used on that page, ArenaNet’s been made aware of the template and its use – it’s up to them to check it periodically if they wish to fix such typos.

Erukk.1408:

The Exalted were recruited and construction of Tarir began 200 years ago, but I don’t think we were ever given an exact date in which the last Forgotten died. Only that it was sometime between then and now.

I’d agree it might be an oversight, but I don’t think it’s a horribly massive one, especially since we don’t know the average lifespan of a Forgotten.

The Exalted came out of hibernation due to Glint’s egg’s presence, thus after her death.

And they went into hibernation over a century ago (before Rata Novus’ fall – which was about 155 years ago).

The speech takes place before they hibernated (“Here you will wait in stasis for the signs, and much time may pass before you awaken to the call.”) so it took place over a century ago. Which was well before Glint’s death.

Technically it’s also possible Glint, being a prophetic dragon, foresaw her own demise and told the Forgotten of it.

Granted then it should’ve read “Will kill her for it” and not “Killed her for it”.

She did prophecized her own death but as you said, it should be “will kill her” not “killed her”.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

She did prophecized her own death but as you said, it should be “will kill her” not “killed her”.

Is it possible that The Last Forgotten deliberately said in that tense, knowing that it only had to be “incorrect” until Glint’s prophecised death, but from then on, the tablets will be “correct” to anybody reading the story after then? (Unless the people reading are a group of overly touchy video game addicts on a forum, in which case it’ll always be wrong.)

Erukk.1408:

I’d agree it might be an oversight, but I don’t think it’s a horribly massive one, especially since we don’t know the average lifespan of a Forgotten.

A really, really long time. There’s a Forgotten in the Nightfall victory celebration who speaks of seeing ‘the light of the First Sun’. What precisely that means is unclear, but if it doesn’t mean that that individual Forgotten did not predate the arrival of the Forgotten on Tyria at least, I would be very surprised – and that would put him at nearly three millenia as a conservative estimate.

It’s possible, of course, that I’ve misinterpreted that line, but my gut feeling is that the Last Forgotten didn’t die of old age – the Forgotten created the Exalted in order to perform their function and then moved on. Possibly the next task for the Forgotten was one they did not expect to survive, or possibly it just suits the purposes of the Forgotten that the Exalted, and by extension the world, believes that they are extinct.

Argon.1563:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

She did prophecized her own death but as you said, it should be “will kill her” not “killed her”.

Is it possible that The Last Forgotten deliberately said in that tense, knowing that it only had to be “incorrect” until Glint’s prophecised death, but from then on, the tablets will be “correct” to anybody reading the story after then? (Unless the people reading are a group of overly touchy video game addicts on a forum, in which case it’ll always be wrong.)

Technically it would always be incorrect anyways since it was spoken centuries before her death, and the Forgotten words it as if she died long ago. After all, for all the Forgotten and the Exalted knew, Glint could have found a way to prevent her death in the century and a half the Exalted slept.

Also, ‘nice’ insult there.

draxynnic.3719:

Erukk.1408:

I’d agree it might be an oversight, but I don’t think it’s a horribly massive one, especially since we don’t know the average lifespan of a Forgotten.

A really, really long time. There’s a Forgotten in the Nightfall victory celebration who speaks of seeing ‘the light of the First Sun’. What precisely that means is unclear, but if it doesn’t mean that that individual Forgotten did not predate the arrival of the Forgotten on Tyria at least, I would be very surprised – and that would put him at nearly three millenia as a conservative estimate.

It’s possible, of course, that I’ve misinterpreted that line, but my gut feeling is that the Last Forgotten didn’t die of old age – the Forgotten created the Exalted in order to perform their function and then moved on. Possibly the next task for the Forgotten was one they did not expect to survive, or possibly it just suits the purposes of the Forgotten that the Exalted, and by extension the world, believes that they are extinct.

A better example would be Vissh Rakissh who saw the fall of Abaddon before the Exodus – putting him at over 1075 years old.

Especially since the Mists have that whole messes-up-time thing, and the Forgotten could have easily gone to the Rift where time doesn’t flow and come out centuries or millennia later after seeing the “First Sun” whatever that’s meant to mean.

As to what happened to the Forgotten – my bet would be on leaving the world. Not that the Forgotten went extinct (nothing in the tablets says that, just that this speaker is ‘the last of the Forgotten’ and the Forgotten are ‘gone’), but just left the world like the Six Gods did. After all, when this speech happened wouldn’t have been long after the silence of the Six.s