Guild Wars 2

I can’t be bothered scanning through every thread and since the search function on this forum is god awful, I guess I gotta make a thread about it.

What information do we have that hints to a possible 7th elder dragon? If there is a dragon, what do we know about it?

I think I remember reading a thread months ago that mentions a dragon that could be residing in Cantha but bad search function is bad.

There’s only a possible 6th dragon, not a possible 7th.

Gandarel.5091:

There’s only a possible 6th dragon, not a possible 7th.

Rather: There is a confirmed 6th Dragon and a possible 7th Dragon.

I don’t think we have been given any reason to believe that there was an elder dragon in cantha. There were normal dragons in guild wars 1 but that’s about it.

Records from the 5 races from the time of the last elder dragon awakening only indicate 6 dragons.

Records from two of the five races that survived on the continent of Tyria speak of six dragons. The short version of the argument for 7+ is that if there were six just in the immediate area of a single continent, it stands to reason there could be more elsewhere.

When the game started there where many references for 6 dragons:
The research in the reactor in Metrica provence
The scrolls in Orr
The ancient city of arah path 1
And most off all the design of CoE where in the different corners research for all known elder dragons is done.

From the skills of project Alpha we found a possible name: Mordremoth and later in an interview Arenanet confirmed the existance of a jungle dragon.

At the moment there is no indication what so ever that there is a 7th elder dragon. You have to keep in mind that studying lore means you are studying what Arenanet’s writers are comming up with. So as long as they are not giving any hints bout a 7th dragon we can only speculate on if they ever are going to write bout it. I personally doubt they have plans for a 7th dragon.

The jotun – to our knowledge – have only laid claims to lands on the Tyrian continent. The six dragons we know of are either centered in Tyria, or their influence spreads to Tyrian lands (DSD harrowing karka and sea life to shallow waters, and – if the arctic seas and Tyria’s (the planet’s) north pole is not part of the continent – Jormag’s invasion of the south). So the jotun might have only known of the “sextet of swallowers” ravaging their lands and neighborhood.

Tyria is a very big place, and it would be a very strange case if all the Elder Dragons were clustered on the continent. Trahearne also mentions post-game that “across the world, dragons are rising.”

@Mada: without being arrogant, I believe you’ve read one of my posts, since I’m the most fervent patron of the theory of the existence of a 7th, (more) benevolent Elder Dragon residing somewhere in Cantha.

The hints are the strong presence of dragons in Cantha, the power Kuunavang who has been used as a comparison to the power of the Elder Dragons twice – along with Glint, who turned out to be a former champion of Kralkatorrik – and last but not least, the powers she wields: air/sky combined with celestial magic. Glint used crystal powers in GW1 before anyone would’ve known of her connection to Kralkatorrik, and Kuunavang has star-related powers unlike any other dragon in the world.

I believe the clues hinting at an Elder Celestial Dragon are rather substantial.

mercury ranique.2170:

When the game started there where many references for 6 dragons:
The research in the reactor in Metrica provence
The scrolls in Orr
The ancient city of arah path 1
And most off all the design of CoE where in the different corners research for all known elder dragons is done.

The Thaumanova Reactor was not studying Elder Dragons, but choas magic. Granted it was the precursor for the Infinity Coil Reactor so it may have had some side ED research going on, but nothing there really indicates six – at best, five, lacking Zhaitan.

The Scrolls in Orr never make mention of the number of Elder Dragons. Same with the Arah paths on the number bit.

The Inquest are fallible in their knowledge, which likely comes from the jotun.

The only indication of six Elder Dragons comes from jotun stelae and the Inquest base at the Infinity Coil Reactor. As Thalador said, they both are limited to the continent of Tyria as far as our knowledge goes. This means that non-Tyrian Elder Dragons would be unknown to them.

And what people seem to forget is that the jotun stelae have already been proven partially wrong with The Lost Shores content. Not only does it claim there are six Elder Dragons, but only five sentient surviving races. And yet the karka and djinn were around during the last Elder Dragon rise – heavily implied by Matthew Medina on the karka, and reaffirmed by their past behavior provided to us by Zomorros, and by extension the djinn due to Zomorros’ knowledge on the karka. And both are definitely sentient.

mercury ranique.2170:

At the moment there is no indication what so ever that there is a 7th elder dragon. You have to keep in mind that studying lore means you are studying what Arenanet’s writers are comming up with. So as long as they are not giving any hints bout a 7th dragon we can only speculate on if they ever are going to write bout it. I personally doubt they have plans for a 7th dragon.

Wrong. There is a hint of a seventh Elder Dragon – it’s just not a hint in the game. From a video interview with Ree and Jeff shortly prior to launch, we got Jeff and Ree conflicting in what they’re saying about pre-existing dragons brought into the game in GW1 – specifically, Glint, Rotscale, and Kuunavang. In said interview, Ree responded with “they’re not the same” and Jeff goes “no, they are, this goes back to what I was talking about how the Elder Dragons are the same and yet not” or some wording like that.

I made a thread on this at Guru2 (it says sixth ED because this was prior to knowing of Mordremoth, so now it’d be “possible seventh elder dragon”), in which I quoted and linked the interview. The interview itself and the lines of interest:

Q: “From several people: Will we know the fate of Glint’s baby in GW2?”

J: "Wow The whole story of Glint was an interesting thing that came in because of course we are looking at-

R: “-we looked at Glint, we looked at Kuunavang, we looked at Rotscale.”

J: “We said ‘we got dragons in the world, what are these creatures?’ And that’s one reason why we-”

R: “And they’re not the same (J:they came from)… really.”

J: “No they are, again that gets back to what I was saying about different dragons function differently therefore their minions function differently.”

R: “Yeah.”

J: “So Glint in many ways is unique. We do tell the tale, this is spoiler, of how Glint got free. And that’s a game story. (ree starts talking but stops for Jeff to finish) And we haven’t seen what becomes of the babies yet.”

R: “We said that the Elder Dragons, like Zhaitan, create minions, and sometimes their minions go out and make minions. So the idea that Glint has babies or has procreated is meaningful and is part of the story we took account, but we haven’t told the story of whether her children will be free of the dragon she broke away from.”

J: “Or will they be influenced by it.”

So there is indication that Rotscale and Kuunavang are dragon champions. And Kuunavang’s not really linked to any pre-existing Elder Dragon’s theme, which to me implies the existence of a “Elder Star/Sky Dragon” based on her ties to the Celestials.

And let’s not forget that there’s a Forgotten and Deldrimor presence in Cantha – though the latter was a “former” case even by the time humanity arrived there by all indication. Two of five races fighting the Elder Dragons within Cantha, but nothing of them in Elona (beyond the Forgotten’s previous home of the Crystal Sea-now-The-Desolation)? I doubt it’s a mere coincidence.

-split into next post-

There’s another thing to consider: the tengu have knowledge of the Elder Dragons, per Genzhou – this gives indication that they may be a race that survived the last ED rise, like the karka and djinn, who went unknown to the jotun and their records of “only five sentient races survived.”

And when considering the possibility of the tengu’s surviving and an Elder Star/Sky/Celestial Dragon…

“My people tell tales of the day when we will be free, when our lands will be revealed by a heavenly star and rise. When that day comes, human, only then will our races live in peace.”
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talon_Silverwing#Eye_of_the_North_2

Gives a new meaning to this prophecy. “Only when the Elder Celestial Dragon rises shall our races live in peace.”

@Thalador:
Well, the Six Elder Dragons are likely centered/near continental Tyria due to the Bloodstone from the previous rise, and likely that it was simply the “last place to conquer” then. That’s always been my view – and why Jormag’s pushing south now and, seemingly, the DSD pushing north.

lordkrall.7241:

Gandarel.5091:

There’s only a possible 6th dragon, not a possible 7th.

Rather: There is a confirmed 6th Dragon and a possible 7th Dragon.

Yes, let’s wish for even more dragons! So we can kill dragons for countless years!

Personally, I hope they will all clash above a sea in the air, all die and we can get real lore once again.

I think even Arenanet admits secretly that dragons were a bad choice. That’s why we don’t have them in the living story.

Srsly, you can’t make a good or reasonable bossfight against them. Pressing 22222222222 from a cannon, the last hobo in Divinity’s Reach could do that, and kill a dragon wielding so much power to raise up a peninsula from the depths of the ocean.

Not so heroic. The story is only about the asura and charr weapons, not our powers and how hard we try.

Gandarel.5091:

Yes, let’s wish for even more dragons! So we can kill dragons for countless years!

Has nothing at all to do with wishing, it has to do with fact.
We KNOW that there are six dragons and it is POSSIBLE that there are more.

Gandarel.5091:

Srsly, you can’t make a good or reasonable bossfight against them. Pressing 22222222222 from a cannon, the last hobo in Divinity’s Reach could do that, and kill a dragon wielding so much power to raise up a peninsula from the depths of the ocean.

At the risk of getting into a pointless off-topic debate of semantics, you are correct in that pressing 2 repeatedly is not an epic fight. However, you can, quite easily, make an epic fight with Elder Dragons. Even if the only means to damage the Elder Dragon is via pressing 2 at a cannon, the fight can still be made epic.

The Fail of Zhaitan is not merit enough, imo, to disregard the potential of the Elder Dragons.