Guild Wars 2

Hi everyone,

Obviously lore is something you’re curious about if you’re here, so I wanted to invite anyone interested to check out a new series I’m writing called “Pondering Tyria with Marcus Dairy”.

The first in the series can be found here:

http://knights-templar.com/journals/12623

Links to the rest that have been written are included in the posts.

Thanks for reading!

~L

You make a few mistakes:

1. Nothing says 10,000 BE (approx.) is when the G-Lupe went extinct, technically – they just “disappeared from” and “last walked on” continental Tyria. Furthermore, the ED did kill off the Giganticus Lupicus, not “almost” – but this was during the ED’s previous rise, date unknown still (we don’t know if 10,000 BE marks an ED awakening either, for that matter – there is minor indication, though this is pure theorycrafting still, that the last ED rise might have been sometime between 2,000 BE and 1,000 BE given a line from Sieran dating the oldest dwarven ruins to be “over two thousands years old” (a very odd word choice if the dwarves as a civilization were around for 11,000 years!)).
2. The charr never crossed the Shiverpeaks – or, for that matter, the Blazeridge (they went around the Blazeridge – going north, then east into what’s now the Blood Legion Homelands, then south into what’s now Ascalon)
3. We have absolutely no indication of when the Six Gods arrived on the world – we only know they did so after the mursaat/seer war and writing of the original Tome of Rubicon, and that the forgotten are said to have been arrived in Tyria (unknown if continent or world) in 1,769 BE. We also know that humans were in Cantha sometimes earlier than 786 BE (the date given to them settling northern Cantha – by that time, the Kurzicks and Luxons were on the continent already).
4. You make it sound like the forgotten immediately went into the Crystal Desert – this is not the case. Humans arrived on continental Tyria and Elona in 205 BE, the forgotten retreated to the Crystal Desert in 174 AE – well over 350 years later.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

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Forgive me and correct me if I’m wrong. I didn’t play the GW1 bonus mission pack, but I thought the Charr did cross the Shiverpeaks, otherwise this (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_White_Mantle) didn’t happen? Obviously they didn’t cross the Shiverpeaks into Ascalon as the OP implies (either by error in sentence structure or not), but to pose the threat that they did to both Kryta and Orr would they not have had to cross the shiverpeaks. They certainly didn’t go down through the Crystal Desert.

That’s a different situation. I was referring to their spread of settlement that occured before 100 BE, not the Charr Invasion of 1070-1 AE.

And they might have gone through the Crystal Desert to Orr – there’s only 2 passes into the Shiverpeak Mountains – one’s at Ascalon Foothills (GW1)/Diessa Plateau (GW2), and the other is up north at Grothmar Wardowns (GW1). There’s no easily climbable pass into the Shiverpeaks further south than that – and the northern one is the one used to get to Kryta.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

That’s a different situation. I was referring to their spread of settlement that occured before 100 BE, not the Charr Invasion of 1070-1 AE.

And they might have gone through the Crystal Desert to Orr – there’s only 2 passes into the Shiverpeak Mountains – one’s at Ascalon Foothills (GW1)/Diessa Plateau (GW2), and the other is up north at Grothmar Wardowns (GW1). There’s no easily climbable pass into the Shiverpeaks further south than that – and the northern one is the one used to get to Kryta.

All good. Thought you might have been referring only to what was specifically mentioned.

Also you should write that only five gods came to Tyria. Also it was not Grenth but Dhuum and Abaddon (instead of Kormir) who made up the original six gods. I don’t think the origin of Dhuum/Abaddon is known, so only Dwayna, Melandru, Balthazar and Lyssa “came” to Tyria. Grenth was born on Tyria by Dwayna.

So the last name of your account is Michael, which is also my older brothers name and the first name of the titular character is Marcus, which is my name… coincidence? I think not!

Actually, Sigmatics, Abaddon has an unknown predecessor. So he wasn’t among the original six either (though TBH, any of the other four or even Dhuum may have had a predecessor).

And nothing says Lyssa came to Tyria either. We’re told that Grenth was the first Tyria-born god, however there’s no context to the word “Tyria” (world or continent? Grenth by all indications was born in Orr). And even if it meant the world, that comes from human sources which as we all know have been altered by the gods once already (and Lyssa’s attributed with making people forget in that very source…).

We only know that Dwayna, Balthazar, and Melandru came to the world, and that Grenth and Kormir were born on the world. Whether Dhuum, Lyssa, or Abaddon came from the Mists is still left in the air.

You’re right about Abaddon having a predecessor. But the question is, did he supplant him after he arrived on Tyria or before that time? Dwayna and the other gods most likely had predecessors too before they arrived on Tyria.

So while we cannot say for sure that Abaddon and Lyssa came to Tyria, they must have come from somewhere. If Dwayna was the first god(dess) to arrive, Lyssa and Abaddon must have come after. Or else Lyssa could have never been in Wren and Abaddon never in the Crystal Desert.

I’d love to know whether or not Lyssa was among the first group to come to Tyria. We have the implication of Lyss and Ilya, right? Probably humans originally, could have been Tyrian, could have been from wherever the gods were before Tyria… could be not human at all, though the twins aspect always struck me as a hint of her/their ascension at some point in the past.

I always thought it was neat that Vabbians in Nightfall often referred to the goddess as ‘Lyss’, because I took it to just be a cultural or language evolution thing. These days I wonder if there isn’t ore to that particular oddity…

@Signatics: “did he supplant him after he arrived on Tyria or before that time?” That was actually my point – you said that five gods came to Tyria, and that only Dwayna, Balthazar, Melandru, and Lyssa came to Tyria – but we don’t know whether or not Abaddon, Dhuum, or Lyssa did.

“Dwayna and the other gods most likely had predecessors too before they arrived on Tyria.” I disagree. There’s indications – albeit very very minor – that Dwayna and Melandru may not have predecessors (the Hall of Heroes and like-structures have a lot of winged female statues, and both Dwayna and Melandru are depicted as winged females, so there’s likely a connection in this).

“Lyssa and Abaddon must have come after. Or else Lyssa could have never been in Wren and Abaddon never in the Crystal Desert.” Sorry, but I’m not sure I understand what you mean. Scenario 1 is that the two came from the Mists; Scenario 2 is that they were born on Tyria (world) and ascended on Tyria (world), and the line about Grenth being the “first born god of Tyria” refers to the continent. Neither scenario would prevent Lyssa from being in Wren or Abaddon in the Crystal Sea (technically, Abaddon never was in the Crystal Desert, as it was formed from his fall). And we know for a fact they were in those respective places.

@Curuniel: Lyss was never explicitly referred to as Lyssa, technically. That was an assumption by players because Vabbians revere Lyssa so much and at the time we hadn’t a clue the twins even had their own separate names, let alone one could be named Lyss. The Festival of Lyss and Mirror of Lyss likely refers to Lyss alone, rather than the combination of Lyss and Ilya.