Guild Wars 2

This type of thread doesn’t really belong in the lore forum.

Furthermore, it looks like the OP wants this thread to be a petition, which is against the rules of the forum anyway..

And Tyria has still too much potential to move to another region already.
And there aren’t any signs of the ED being active outside of Tyria.

Say no to Cantha and Elona.
Or even better, don’t say anything at all and appreciate what we have already.

I say: “Say no to Cantha and Elona so their lore can be preserved from ANet vandalism!”

Thalador.4218:

I say: “Say no to Cantha and Elona so their lore can be preserved from ANet vandalism!”

Good point.

Even if you get a thousand folks to say yes, don’t expect Cantha and Elona for a long long time.

If ArenaNet keeps with the Living Story instead of an Expansion, then we’d be getting 1 zone every few months (maybe 1 zone a month), and they’d likely be as good as Southsun Cove or Labyrinthine Cliffs in terms of content available.

I’d say no to Cantha and Elona until ArenaNet gets their act together and is willing and capable of giving a full-fledge continent’s worth of content in a single update with proper testing to it.

Speaking of Cantha: Emperor Angsiyan in the cinematic where Shiro killed him looked different from his appearance in the other cinematics….

Namely he looked alot like Vizier Khilbron……

Considering the emperor’s suspicious actions that day and the fact that the fortune teller that got Shiro to kill the Emperor was an agent of Abbadon what are the chances that it was Khilbron?

Also considering that Mad King Thorn’s war with Palawa Joko is causing Grenth alot of paper work what are the chances of Khilbron busting out of the Underworld unnoticed and later invading Cantha and crowning himself Emperor Usoku Khilbron.

If you’re talking about the CGI trailer looking different from the in-game trailers, then yeah he’d look different since the former was outsourced to another company. If you mean in-game then you’d be mistaken since there was only one Canthan emperor model – so Angsiyan had not only one model, but the same model as Kisu.

As for Khilbron “busting out of the Underworld unnoticed” – immensely impossible given that we most likely destroyed his spirit in Gate of Madness. Granted we don’t really know what happens to a spirit “killed” in the Mists, but only Foefire spirits are known to return other than those with very strong ties to Tyria (though that’s really only an excuse for reoccurring dynamic events with named ghosts as all other cases tell us that the ghosts move onto the Mists when “killed” in Tyria).

I dunno, Khilbron’s in sort of a unique position, existentially-speaking. While working for an evil god, he casted a spell older than the gods that sank the city he was in onto Zhaitan’s sleeping belly. That’s like five different kinds of undead. If anyone could just show up again for no reason, it’s this dude.

The Cataclysm was not a spell older than the gods. It was a spell from 1 BE (specifically stated during Prophecies to be from “before the Bloodstones” which since the same source would say that magic didn’t exist until 1 BE, means it had to be 1 BE or 0 AE). Either way, definitely not before the Six Gods.

And I fail to see where you get “five different kinds of undead” – and how Khilbron, no matter how strong of a necromancer, could come back from his soul being destroyed (presuming that’s what happens otherwise souls would forever exist and the Mists would eventually fill up with an infinite number of souls – the Mists is said to have an edge, I believe, thus cannot contain an infinite number of souls).

Depends on how you define “before the Bloodstones”, actually. It could be referring to the time between when the gods tampered with the original bloodstone of the Seers and when they decided to split them. Or it could be referring to when the Seers created the bloodstone in the first place – which would likely mean before the arrival of the Six on Tyria, albeit not necessarily predating the gods in the multiverse as a whole.

During the questline where you learn that the Fortune Teller is a Demonic servant of Abbadon the quest giver mentions:“Now, we must return Shiro’s spirit to the Mists, where he can pay for his deeds in the proper manner.”

This quest is in the Realm of Torment….

Are all Worlds in the Mists? That may explain things….

Drax, you have to keep in mind that such lines came from the same source that states that magic just did not exist at all in any way shape or form prior to 1 BE, and that the Bloodstones did not exist at all in any way shape or form prior to Year 0. So there isn’t really a matter of “how you define” it, given the source.

If it came from the devs, or some other source – especially a modern one – then yeah, I could go with what you argue. But it isn’t, so it seems foolhardy to try and play devil’s advocate on something so pointblank.

The only alternative to it being made in 1 BE/Year 0 would be that the source was wrong… again. Not unlikely, but not something we should blatantly presume without some solid reason to believe such.

Edit: Technically speaking, yes, all “worlds” and “realms” are within the Mists. It is protomatter that surrounds all things. But when people refer to the Mists as a place, they usually refer to the afterlives – which the Realm of Torment is among. In this case though, I’d argue he’s referring to the Mists in the sense of the “building blocks of creation” and where all things (seem to) go in the end – aka the protomatter.

The only deaths we’ve have confirmation of being permanent are those in _Grenth_’s realm as a result of Dhuum absorbing their souls…..

Do we have confirmation on anything much less Dhuum having eating Shiro and the Lich’s souls?

The eating of souls by Dhuum and Demons does explain why the Mists doesn’t have an infinite number of souls though…..

Technically speaking, that’s false. We’re not told why Dhuum gets stronger with deaths in the Underworld, just that he does. And I don’t recall confirmation of them being permanent either – but if there was, it certainly wasn’t tied to Dhuum “absorbing their souls.”

The only things that have devoured souls are demons (at least certain kinds of them like Margonites and torment creatures), Jormag, and two possibly-unique scarabs (Kephket Marrowfeast and the Eater of Souls – the latter called a demon incidentally but unclear if this is meant to be literal). In the former cases, devouring results in the destruction of the soul but not immediately; in the latter, we just know that they can remain in the belly for 200+ years. With Jormag it’s up in the air.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Drax, you have to keep in mind that such lines came from the same source that states that magic just did not exist at all in any way shape or form prior to 1 BE, and that the Bloodstones did not exist at all in any way shape or form prior to Year 0. So there isn’t really a matter of “how you define” it, given the source.

If it came from the devs, or some other source – especially a modern one – then yeah, I could go with what you argue. But it isn’t, so it seems foolhardy to try and play devil’s advocate on something so pointblank.

The only alternative to it being made in 1 BE/Year 0 would be that the source was wrong… again. Not unlikely, but not something we should blatantly presume without some solid reason to believe such.

In this case… yeah. It’s reasonable to assume that the source may indeed have been wrong. Again.

We’ve been given indications that the year 1 date for the original tampering with the bloodstones is incorrect. This is something I consider an acceptable retcon – the year 1 date was inconsistent with so much that we found in GW1, let alone GW2, and it’s possible that the date is simply the point at which it became uncontrolled. The prevalence of magical creatures, races and wars, some from before recorded history (ie the mursaat/seer war) also made it clear when you thought about it that there must have been plenty of magic around at some point in the distant past.

The writer probably did assume that since the Cataclysm was not something that was possible with modern magic, it must have used magic from between the gift of magic (which he labelled at 1BE) and the splitting of the bloodstones. We, however, know better. Given that we now know that Arah was used for storing a number of artifacts of the elder races that likely predated the arrival of the gods on Tyria, it’s entirely likely that the Lost Scrolls were in fact one such artifact.

Sorry but I just cannot disagree with the argument that is effectively “because it got retconned so many times, it’s likely that the rest of it isn’t true anymore as well.”

I think it’d be better to hold to a “true until proven otherwise” situation.