Guild Wars 2

Then what are these? I asked the question few years ago elsewhere, the answer I got was Giganticus lupicus. But now the puppy in Arah simply isn’t as large as these guys.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5227/gw032g.jpg

I can’t remember where exactly I read it, but I’m pretty sure the Giganticus Lupicus in Arah is a baby.

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Really!?
That’s cute lol

Dash.7108:

I can’t remember where exactly I read it, but I’m pretty sure the Giganticus Lupicus in Arah is a baby.

It had an adult complexion (large and slender arms, small head) I really doubt it was a baby.

My guess would be those bones are from sea serpents. When the Chrystal Desert was a sea.

Edit: serpent snakes? seriously?? lol. I meant sea serpents. Thanks Konig

@Dash: That’s just an IP speculation that was added to the GW2W article. One of the many reasons why the GW2W is slowly becoming kitten for lore source. Anyone and everyone can add whatever they want, and there’s far too few people to really maintain the lore quality side of it, and there’s so many different formats across the wiki that makes it just look like one big clusterkitten.

That speculation came from it just being smaller than the GW1 skeletons. The shape of the body indicates it being an adult, like Ludovicus said. I doubt the IP really looked into the GL’s appearance.

@Afya: No one knows, sadly. Probably a group of ancient large species wiped out by the Elder Dragons cycles ago. There’s three different styles, one having a draconic appearance (sea serpents like Ludo said?), another with tusks that looked more mammilian in shape, and a third set we never seen a skull of.

Dash.7108:

I can’t remember where exactly I read it, but I’m pretty sure the Giganticus Lupicus in Arah is a baby.

The actual quote, in the Notes section of http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Giganticus_Lupicus:

“The creature depicted in Guild Wars 2 is much smaller, indicating either the skeletons are in fact of a different race, full grown adults and the undead Giganticus Lupicus is a juvenile, or simply that a retcon has taken place to make the Great Giants smaller than previously established. "

It’s listing different possibilities for why the Giganticus Lupicus in-game is smaller than the previously known skeletons. i.e., it’s speculation. AFAIK there’s no actual confirmation.

Yeah, was there ever lore to state that the skeletons that we see ARE Giganticus Lupicus? Or was it more of a situation of it being the best explanation for the skeletons? Sadly I wasn’t even aware that there was a lore community in GW1, so I mostly absorbed all of my knowledge from the GWW and took what I read as fact. (Probably the biggest explanation for a few of my blunders in the past when it comes to reading speculation as fact.)

At first it was just the best explanation. Then browsing the gw.dat after Nightfall had come (… and gone badum tissssh) out, revealed this:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Lupicus_Boneyard

Graveyard of huge beast, their fossils unearthed by the unheaval of the Abaddon’s return.

It can be actually found in-game, in the Poisoned Outcrops of the Desolation.

That, too, is actually just speculation Thalador. Based on the thought that the skeletons belonged to the GL, myself and others at the time on the wiki scoured for possible locations for the gw.dat descriptions – but nothing really says those locations made it into the game.

Poisoned Outcrops had the largest concentration of those bones in the area. It’s very likely the description is referring to an existing point of interest just like most of the gw.dat landmarks.

Unfortunately, nothing happens in-game when landmarks are discovered.

@Ludovicus – I don’t know how you can claim to know the complexion of a baby for a fictional race that we have only ever seen one of and in it’s undead form.

We also don’t know the expected life span of the race, how small they start, how big they grow to. They could live thousands of years and grow for a large period of that time.

On the otherhand, if those bones are indeed not from the great giants it would be interesting to see what they were from.

Yeah I must have read from the wiki, thanks for correcting me.

I am with Goatsjugsoup on this. Who are we to say how a baby look of another species.. heck look at the real world.
Many reptiles are born as perfect miniatures of the adults.
A foal (horse baby) will have ridiculously long and thin legs.
Then many animals, are not babies for very long, and such juveniles are just smaller versions of the older individuals of the species.

Thanks for all the reply. I really hope those bones aren’t just Giganticus Lupicus now. To simply change the size for the fight in Arah to work is kinda lazy development imo. Same as the baby theory.

I hope those are something else and will/did play a major role in fighting the elder dragons.

Don’t know if someone uttered this before, but perhaps the giant bones in the Crystal Desert are actually those of the Colossus seen in one of the Fractals?

Thalador.4218:

At first it was just the best explanation. Then browsing the gw.dat after Nightfall had come (… and gone badum tissssh) out, revealed this:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Lupicus_Boneyard

Graveyard of huge beast, their fossils unearthed by the unheaval of the Abaddon’s return.

It can be actually found in-game, in the Poisoned Outcrops of the Desolation.

Yes but Thal, isn’t information from the .dat file considered more speculation than fact? I mean I remember reading about all the .dat locations in the Realm of Torment like Abaddon’s Children and such. I personally would love to see what the heck these skeletons are. What the draconic skeleton in Ascalon Catacombs Pre-Searing was, and other such things.

They are much more than speculation. It was written and once considered to be included, but somehow got dished since they probably couldn’t find a good way to implement them as some sort of PoIs. Besides, like I said: most of the gw.dat speak of existing places, and most of the time they describe the area perfectly.

In other words, those skeletons were likely to be retcon’ed to not be GL remains.

Furesy.6935:

Don’t know if someone uttered this before, but perhaps the giant bones in the Crystal Desert are actually those of the Colossus seen in one of the Fractals?

The one in Cliffside? Probably not because the bones especially the skull resemble something of a beast, not “human” figure.

I do not believe any of the spines found throughout the world would support anything quite that large either. It would have to be something between the sizes of the Colossus and the current G-Lupe.

And fair enough Thalador, I suppose they would be located in some sort of nether between solid fact (which itself is always changing) and speculation, probably closer to the solid fact category. Of course ArenaNet could always go and say locations like the Lupicus Graveyard are actually located somewhere on the map in a zone that they didn’t end up adding to the game… Always wiggle room.

Goatjugsoup.8637:

@Ludovicus – I don’t know how you can claim to know the complexion of a baby for a fictional race that we have only ever seen one of and in it’s undead form.

Zeefa.3915:

I am with Goatsjugsoup on this. Who are we to say how a baby look of another species.. heck look at the real world.

The Giganticus Lupicus holds aspects of real actual dogs (well, a certain dog, I could never remember the name). In comparison of the G-Lupe and said dogs, they are more akin to the adult than puppy.

Can we be certain that it’s not a youngling G-Lupe? Of course not. However, given how even charr take aspects of cats in terms of how the young and adult differentiate, it wouldn’t be hard to guess that the G-Lupe would be the same. It’s still conjecture, but it’s far stronger conjecture than saying it’s a baby G-Lupe just because it’s smaller than the bones that people once thought to be G-Lupe bones but, in fact, look nothing like the G-Lupe seen in Arah (the G-Lupe clearly holds canine features in the head, the bones were either tusked (of which there were both large and smaller skulls, the smaller still being larger than the G-Lupe head) or serpentine/reptilian in appearance – they just don’t match).

Maybe it was just a small GL? Who knows, maybe their short/tall is much more literal than what we think of it.

#Shingeki no Kyojin

Something else I just noticed yesterday, hylek are typically smaller than the player but in caledon forest there is a champion risen hylek event by the spiral tree jp and its pretty massive. I reckon this indicates that either some races have a massive growth cycle or that being a minion of Zhaitan means he could influence what size you are

A lot of the “more powerful” kinds of enemies tend to be larger-than-life in a literal way. In Honor of the Waves there’s a non-corrupted Son of Svanir who’s taller than a kodan (who’re taller than norn), for example.

Though it is known that at least Kralkatorrik can enlarge creatures upon corrupting per Edge of Destiny, and there is the Champion Bloated Creeper in Arah story that’s a risen norn that’s bloody huge. But there really isn’t any indication of a creature shrinking due to dragon corruption.

I don’t think size really gives us lore information for most of the npcs’s we fight in the game. Their sizes are largely dependent on their types. Vets are larger than normal mobs, champs even larger and then legendaries larger still. On the other hand GL in arah could be just shrunk down for players to be able to read animations and dodge attacks..