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I am not sure what most people in the section might think about the connection between the lost Krytan amulet and the Magdaer curse legend. Is it possible that there might be a connection between its disappearance (aside from Mordy looking for an evening snack)?

To me, and granted I am new to the whole lore-crafting business, it just seems bizarre that we find out about this secret object that is capable of determining the heir to the human throne. We are also informed that it is now missing(stolen or lost?) after escaping the attack on Concordia. Now, despite it being a teaser of the next episode, we see Rytlock attempting to cleanse Ascalon of the curse that has plague it for 250 or so years.

What am I proposing then? That I am not sure of. It could be that the Black Citadel has stolen it in the chaos (somehow having knowledge of its movements) in hopes of it working via region oppose to just for the Krytan throne. Even more devious renegades or Flame Legion trying to disrupt the alliance/treaty between the Humans and the Charr. As mentioned above it just seems far to coincidental for it just to be a snack for our newly awakening Dragon-friend.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Is there a connection or just a bizarre coincidence?

*krytan throne.

kryta and ascalon are two different kingdoms. it just so happens that one of them is dead, so the other one might as well be the “human kingdom”.

but the legend specifically states ascalon, which is a different lineage than kryta.

in other words, these are two different plot threads.

I understand that Ascalon and Kryta are completely different areas with different lineage. It does sound a little “conspiracy theory-ish”. It was just a bizarre connection I had put together, which may have been reaching a little too far.

Lets hope Willard had a good snack.

Not exclusively two different plot threads, depending on who the heir to the throne of Kryta is, but it seems to be unlikely that there is a connection.

All royal lines trace back to king Doric, and since Jennah does not seem to have any relative who is next in line then it could be any distant descendant of King Doric, even someone who is a descendant of the kings of Ascalon.

As i said, i doubt that the plot lines are connected when it comes to the question of who is shown in the amulet, or that the Charr are somehow involved. Rytlock is surely not shown in it.

But who knows, it could be anyone. Maybe the portrait shows Skritt King or no one at all.

Jokes aside, Lord Faren for example traces his lineage back to ancient kings, so it could be him. Another known descendant of Doric is Wade Samuelsson, although i doubt it is him, more likely someone from Kryta, which leaves the whole Ascalon plot separated.

The Charr most likely do not even know that the amulet exists. And my bet is currently Lord Faren to be shown in the amulet.

We only see Rytlock use Sohothin, only half of the plot is being told here.

@BrunoBRS, do not forget about EbonHawk, as well as the separatists. Ascalon is far from dead…

@Fuiltech, it is not un common for Kings of different lineages to have their kids marry and produce offspring in order to expand the Kingdom… Who is being shown in said locket may well be related to the story, as it could be one that is descendant from both bloodlines… who? and how?

Well my biggest guess would be that Gwen (featured in GW1) could be ‘a’ descendant of King Adelbern, as it has never been made clear as to who Gwen’s father was. She then would have been the half sister of Prince Rurik (who died by PC hands without any offspring, as far as we know). So that would make Logan the heir to the Ascalonian throne, and some gossip has been going on that he might have a child with the queen of Kryta. Which would make said child to be the king or queen of Tyrian Continent Humans. A descendant from King Doric, who basically took a blood oath burdening his bloodline with the protection of the Keystone (and with it the protection of the bloodstones), and a Descendant from King Adelbern, burdened with the curse of Ascalon and ‘from human perspective’ the rightful king of Ascalon.

But that’s a far stretch though, with a lot of speculation

If Logan was really an heir to anything I’m sure Jennah was have used that opportunity to make him a Duke, marry him, cement their claim to lots of land, etc.

(In fact, it is a bit surprising that Jennah can’t give Logan a title for his part in killing Zaitan. Seems an obvious thing to do.)

Stooperdale.3560:

If Logan was really an heir to anything I’m sure Jennah was have used that opportunity to make him a Duke, marry him, cement their claim to lots of land, etc.

(In fact, it is a bit surprising that Jennah can’t give Logan a title for his part in killing Zaitan. Seems an obvious thing to do.)

You’re assuming that Jennah wants as much to do with Logan as he wants to do with her.

But he does make a pretty zealous Captain of the Guard.

About among other things the amulet:

Waller said that while players may not see potential story hooks like these picked up immediately, they’re certainly “interesting” and ripe for speculation. He also cautioned that plot threads which appear to lead to obvious conclusions might actually head off in an entirely different direction. Hopefully that’s good news for those of us who are fans of Kryta’s young queen.

It sounds like they aren’t ready to use the amulet, if it’s even going to be used as a storyline at all. The way it’s phrased sort of scares me, like they didn’t expect the fan base to pay attention to it and it was just a random piece of magic a dragon wanted.

The story has been so interesting lately, I hope it doesn’t fall flat and just be a generic “rally the forces and kill the mindless dragon who wants to eat magic”, and all our speculation is us coming up with interesting stories that will never happen.

Arghore.8340:

@BrunoBRS, do not forget about EbonHawk, as well as the separatists. Ascalon is far from dead…

Ebonhawke is technically ascalon, yeah, but it’s under krytan rule, and has been for a while, since their former king blew up the country. they’re too arrogant and proud of their ascalonian lineage to admit it, but they’re an offshoot of kryta now.

ascalon as a kingdom has been dead for a while now, but if you want to get technical, then yes, ebonhawke is still there.

Fluffball.8307:

About among other things the amulet:

Waller said that while players may not see potential story hooks like these picked up immediately, they’re certainly “interesting” and ripe for speculation. He also cautioned that plot threads which appear to lead to obvious conclusions might actually head off in an entirely different direction. Hopefully that’s good news for those of us who are fans of Kryta’s young queen.

It sounds like they aren’t ready to use the amulet, if it’s even going to be used as a storyline at all. The way it’s phrased sort of scares me, like they didn’t expect the fan base to pay attention to it and it was just a random piece of magic a dragon wanted.

The story has been so interesting lately, I hope it doesn’t fall flat and just be a generic “rally the forces and kill the mindless dragon who wants to eat magic”, and all our speculation is us coming up with interesting stories that will never happen.

Sounds to me like they intend to use the Amulet in a different manner than we’re all thinking/expecting. If we’re thinking it’ll be used to discover the next King/Queen if Jennah dies, that probably won’t be the case. I think the theories of the Amulet being the Keystone to the Bloodstones is true, and that it’s going to be used in conjunction with them to take down the Elder Dragons. What the amulet could do in the short term is perhaps play a role in undoing the curse of Ascalon.

I sincerely hope Rytlock fails to break the curse, and that Logan is the one to do it for him. It could be a good step forward towards further mending their relationship. Maybe Eir actually fixed the other sword and intends to give it to Logan. Honestly I think Logan being able to break the curse, wield a sword, and solidify himself as royalty would be a major step forward in his character. There’s no telling how he’ll handle it. We’d all expect his immediate reaction to be to marry Jennah and live happily ever after, but in reality the weight of a Crown may cause him to, well… grow up a bit. He’d have to realize that there were people who’d look to him for leadership and guidance, and that simply giving away Ascalon couldn’t be as easy as it seemed.

I don’t think that both are connected directly.

The foefire was summoned from Adelbern who wasn’t a pure royal with the help of Magdaer. The tale about the curse tells that it is tied to the royal blood and the weapon that caused the curse (or it’s partner sword Sohotin which Rytlock wields). Magdaer broke during the cast and it was at the moment the Khan Ur hit the sword. We have the city of Ascalon and the area of Ascalon and if the curse is tied to the area of Ascalon then the charr are still the true dwellers of it, effectively turning the Khan Ur to the real royal to whom blood the curse is tied. It is told that the leader of the legions are descendants of the Khan and Rytlock told at some point that he has some ties to the (prior) leader of the iron legion (if I’m not wrong). We do not see if it fails or if it succeeds, but it reacts.

The amulet is basically tied to the bloodstone (the big one before it was divided).

Thats if Jennah has the right to see the Amulet, it might be something that is exclusively only the Shining Blades responsibility. If the heir was someone Jennah would approve of heir that could introduce some problems.

IE If for example the Amulet showed Minister Caudecus an individual known to have challenged Jennah and she was to know he was the heir, well to put it plainly were I in her position I would have killed him for challenging me and have an heir who isn’t a complete threat to me.

Vexander.9850:

Sounds to me like they intend to use the Amulet in a different manner than we’re all thinking/expecting. If we’re thinking it’ll be used to discover the next King/Queen if Jennah dies, that probably won’t be the case. I think the theories of the Amulet being the Keystone to the Bloodstones is true, and that it’s going to be used in conjunction with them to take down the Elder Dragons. What the amulet could do in the short term is perhaps play a role in undoing the curse of Ascalon.

I will agree that the link between the locket and the cleansing of The Foefire is very loose. But I would be very skeptical of the locket being the keystone and intended to be used as a weapon.

Remember, the story in Arah details that the elder races used the bloodstones to “starve” the Elder Dragons. In hazarding a guess, the source they feed off of being locked away and there’s an item out there that unlock that magical potential… I wouldn’t think that was a weapon you would to “use” against the EDs. More so, I’d expect that’s what they would want.

Well didn’t one of Salma’s descendants marry someone from the Ascalonian royal line? I can’t remember where I read it, but if it’s true, Jennah’s bloodline may actually be the Ascalonian bloodline as well.

Also consider the locket that finds the heir to the Krytan throne might just be tweaked a little or cloned to track down the heir to the Ascalonian throne. If someone can make a magical device to track down the Krytan descendant of Doric, it shouldn’t be dificult to emulate/alter the magical device to track down the Ascalonian descendant of Doric? It’s still looking for the same blood (Doric’s blood) except it’s going down a different branch (root?) of the family tree.

Maybe the amulet was mentioned not to indicate Jennah will die but to foreshadow it’s use to solve the Foefire’s curse when Rytlock uses it to track down the true heir.

tldr: The locket is a GPS device currently set to Jennah as it’s destination (if she dies it recalibrates to the next most suited heir). Recalibrate the GPS to search for the Ascalonian heir and you have a the deus ex machina solution to the Foefires curse. Now that I think of it that way, it seems kinda lame. If this doesn’t turn out to be the answer, the question becomes, if someone created a locket tracking down the Krytan heir, why not do the same for the Ascalonian heir?

Theoretically, the person with the most to gain from this locket’s destruction is Minister Caudecus. If he was to ever seize power from Jennah then he would always be undermined by a magic locket that showed someone else as the intended ruler of the nation. If he could manipulate the locket or fake the results then he’d also have a lot to gain from owning it. I can’t see any evidence of the jungle dragon being in collusion with Caudacus though.

Any named human character could be a lost Ascalonian heir really. Even that councilor who was murdered in Lion’s Arch, he came from a respected family and might not have been the faceless nobody we thought he was.

I think someone mentioned that you didn’t find out about the locket if you chose to accompany Rox instead of Braham in the instance. This suggests that the locket isn’t a major clue, or that it will get another mention before it gets significant.

Could Theo Ashford be one of the heir’s to the throne? As you say, he comes from a GW1 Ascalonian family. Ashford was a village just outside of Ascalon City, so presumably the Ashford family would be somewhat prestigious (that’s an assumption, I don’t even remember them from GW1, just the location).

What if Theo Ashford was specifically selected, not because his second had already died, but because Scarlet’s Entity knew he was of royal blood and was eliminating him early? Getting Mai Trinn on the Council was just a bonus.

Scarlet was supposed to be targeting Lion’s Arch because the ley line was there, but the ley line wasn’t discovered until after Theo died. Scarlet needed the probes to locate the ley line hub, up to that point she had no reason to be interested in Lion’s Arch. What if the Captain’s Council wasn’t the target, Theo Ashford was always the target and Mai Trinn’s council seat was just the sweetener?

Still, that all hinges on Scarlet/the Entity caring about the heir to the Ascalonian kingdom. Bah, that would be silly.