Guild Wars 2

Well, if he’s off attacking Joko… we don’t really care. Hell, the OoW from Elonian wouldn’t care as they were formed to keep him in prison.

Now if the branded started going on the offensive or Kralk doing something major, I’m sure they’d inform everybody/as many as they could.

But until then (With the branded basically just wandering south and sticking inside the brand)… there isn’t a point to yelling where he might or might not be.

Also, their intelligence may be old. IE, they found out where he was napping at one point, but he likely could’ve moved.

bullyrook.2165:

Why would they tell? Simple, to raise awareness of the dragons. That is something that is stressed through the whole game, that the races don’t understand the threat the dragons pose.

How would they tell? Simple, through their shady underworld contacts. LA was perfect for that sort of thing.

We haven’t heard a whisper of the trouble he is causing elsewhere in the world. For all we know, he may already be gnawing on Joko as we speak.

The Order of Whispers aren’t doomsayers. They’re manipulators and spies. They’re trying to solve the lesser problems to give the races room to go after the dragons. There is no awareness issue that telling where Kralkatorrik currently is would solve. The Dragonbrand makes the threat of Kralkatorrik as clear as anything else ever could – charr see it as a threat, but asura don’t because they’re so far away. And the asura still wouldn’t see Kralkatorrik as an immediate threat even if they’re told “Kralkatorrik is in the Crystal Desert at xyz location!” – in fact, they’d be LESS inclined to view it as a threat because he’s so far away and there’s actual tabs on him. So if he’s going to make a move… they’ll know when he does so.

But again, you miss the more important part of my post:

Very few people have seen an Elder Dragon and lived to tell a tale.

Zhaitan’s known to be in Arah because he never moved. But even then, only two people had ever seen him and lived – Caithe and Trahearne. Jormag’s known because he’s leading an army south, but again few have seen him and lived.

So anyone who sees Kralkatorrik… will be in so much risk that the chances of survival are slim to none. And bam, another branded to Kralk’s army.

Who’d risk such a thing when Kralkatorrik isn’t an immediate threat? Answer: no one.

So even if they know where Kralkatorrik is and what he’s doing, they won’t tell just because 1) no one important who needs to listen will listen, 2) idiots will race off to their deaths and expand his army, and 3) he’s not as immediate as the other dragons, given how recently he woke up and he isn’t doing more damage currently.

Why spread knowledge that can make Kralkatorrik a threat, when the Order of Whispers have – until Zhaitan’s defeat – thought the Elder Dragons immortal and the only hope was to put them back to hibernation (something we’re told pre-release and was poorly shown in-game).

Where did Caithe and Trahearne see Zhaitan? Curious because I’ve not really heard about it. Completely believable though, as Trahearne is stated to have went through Orr a good bit before the game starts even.

Also about the Brand, yeah even the “Butcher of the Siege plains” openly states it’s a far bigger threat then any racial hatred she has about the humans. OoW doesn’t need to operate heavily in that area to get them working together..

Konig Des Todes.2086:

bullyrook.2165:

Why would they tell? Simple, to raise awareness of the dragons. That is something that is stressed through the whole game, that the races don’t understand the threat the dragons pose.

How would they tell? Simple, through their shady underworld contacts. LA was perfect for that sort of thing.

We haven’t heard a whisper of the trouble he is causing elsewhere in the world. For all we know, he may already be gnawing on Joko as we speak.

The Order of Whispers aren’t doomsayers. They’re manipulators and spies. They’re trying to solve the lesser problems to give the races room to go after the dragons. There is no awareness issue that telling where Kralkatorrik currently is would solve. The Dragonbrand makes the threat of Kralkatorrik as clear as anything else ever could – charr see it as a threat, but asura don’t because they’re so far away. And the asura still wouldn’t see Kralkatorrik as an immediate threat even if they’re told “Kralkatorrik is in the Crystal Desert at xyz location!” – in fact, they’d be LESS inclined to view it as a threat because he’s so far away and there’s actual tabs on him. So if he’s going to make a move… they’ll know when he does so.

But again, you miss the more important part of my post:

Very few people have seen an Elder Dragon and lived to tell a tale.

Zhaitan’s known to be in Arah because he never moved. But even then, only two people had ever seen him and lived – Caithe and Trahearne. Jormag’s known because he’s leading an army south, but again few have seen him and lived.

So anyone who sees Kralkatorrik… will be in so much risk that the chances of survival are slim to none. And bam, another branded to Kralk’s army.

Who’d risk such a thing when Kralkatorrik isn’t an immediate threat? Answer: no one.

So even if they know where Kralkatorrik is and what he’s doing, they won’t tell just because 1) no one important who needs to listen will listen, 2) idiots will race off to their deaths and expand his army, and 3) he’s not as immediate as the other dragons, given how recently he woke up and he isn’t doing more damage currently.

Why spread knowledge that can make Kralkatorrik a threat, when the Order of Whispers have – until Zhaitan’s defeat – thought the Elder Dragons immortal and the only hope was to put them back to hibernation (something we’re told pre-release and was poorly shown in-game).

You’re forgetting too: you don’t need to see an Elder Dragon to know his location. “Risen are coming from Orr! Whatever could be the cause?” In the case for Kral, his corruption is pretty danged easy to recognize. “Lets see: sand… sand… sand.. Oh, look!, purple crystals! sand… sand… sand…”

And even if they wouldn’t tell the average joe, some kind of info would be leaked to the Commander if the Pact at some point.

Kalavier.1097:

Where did Caithe and Trahearne see Zhaitan? Curious because I’ve not really heard about it. Completely believable though, as Trahearne is stated to have went through Orr a good bit before the game starts even.

In the sylvari lvl 10 story step, just before meeting Trahearne for the first time as a sylvari. If you talk to Caithe in the final instance after the Pale Tree says he returns, one of her dialogue lines, in response to asking her what she knows of Zhaitan, is: The undead dragon at the heart of the cursed land of Orr. Only two living creatures have ever seen it: myself and my brother Trahearne.

bullyrook.2165:

You’re forgetting too: you don’t need to see an Elder Dragon to know his location. “Risen are coming from Orr! Whatever could be the cause?” In the case for Kral, his corruption is pretty danged easy to recognize. “Lets see: sand… sand… sand.. Oh, look!, purple crystals! sand… sand… sand…”

And even if they wouldn’t tell the average joe, some kind of info would be leaked to the Commander if the Pact at some point.

But Branded aren’t coming from the desert. They’re going to it. Which is really the only indication we have other than last sighting that Kralkatorrik is in the Crystal Desert still.

A commander. There’s more than one commander. But it wasn’t relelvant. Why mention more than what’s relevant until it becomes so? The Pact has been focusing solely on Orr. Orr was the testing ground for the three orders to see if their cooperation would have an effect. The Order of Whispers wouldn’t spare info on the other dragons, until the test is complete. And since the Pact has been proven worthwhile, we’ve not seen the Pact’s actions – just been told they’re still cleaning up Risen and recovering from their losses.

If the Order of Whispers can tell people where Kralkatorrik is beyond “in the Crystal Desert” – or where Jormag is beyond “in the Far Shiverpeaks”, or where Primordus is beyond “in the Depths of Tyria” – then they wouldn’t do so until it becomes useful information. Zhaitan was only known to be in Arah itself because of Caithe and Trahearne – elsewise it is simply “Zhaitan is in Orr”. But this is no more specific than what we have for Jormag who has been around far longer.

Specific information doesn’t exist. General does. And you’ve been demanding why specific information is unknown in this thread thus far, just because he fled the big ol’ splooch of Brand. Yet you don’t question “why don’t we know the exact location of Jormag in the Far Shiverpeaks” or “why don’t we know the exact location of Primordus in the Depths” – in fact, we’re less certain of Primordus’ location than Kralkatorriks. Yet the Depths is easily accessible. Just grab a drill and go until you hit some tunnels. So why only complain about Kralkatorrik? All of the dragons, even Zhaitan as far as the Orders come in, only have the general details revealed.

Let me put it this way…

Would you risk putting a white British spy in North Korea? No. You wouldn’t, because the risk is too great and it’s rather illogical. Same thing for sending out scouts into Elder Dragon territory – except with the added issue of “anyone who’s caught becomes the enemy.”

Also the added issue of “All their knowledge instantly becomes known to the enemy” So it isn’t even as kittenay, “Oh no, they are turned into a zombie or a husk”. It’s literally "OH kitten, our top spy just got turned into a branded… now every single thing he knows the dragon knows.