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Without the Pale tree to protect them, wouldn’t they be more vulnerable to falling to Mordremoth? Also, wasn’t Aerin Soundless? And if he was had he turned to Mordemoth? Was that why he went mad?

inch.3769:

Without the Pale tree to protect them, wouldn’t they be more vulnerable to falling to Mordremoth?

Yes.

inch.3769:

Also, wasn’t Aerin Soundless?

Depends on how you define Soundless, but he was seemingly cut off from the Dream so I guess, yes.

inch.3769:

And if he was had he turned to Mordemoth?

Never explicitly stated but it seems pretty definite, so yes.

inch.3769:

Was that why he went mad?

It seems to have been a combination of being Soundless and proximity to Mordy (the Zypherites were over Maguuma after all).

By all indication, Soundless are more vulnerable to Mordremoth’s influence – both Scarlet and Aerin are outright stated to being disconnected from the Dream, and Aerin is outright called a Soundless (only to sylvari PCs though). So most likely the Soundless throughout Tyria could theoretically fall to Mordremoth outright.

However, since maps tend to be ‘stuck in time’ until the Living World comes to them, the only Soundless we currently see in the open world (in Caledon) may be remaining there even with HoT’s release.

All signs point to yes. Although it yet remains to be seen just how widespread Mordremoth’s Call was considering that it happened at the end of LS2. So we’ve only seen its effects in a localised area and we haven’t had much story time pass to gauge its repercussions. The Soundless in Caledon might be affected but it’s also possible that the distance between them and Mordremoth means they didn’t turn or perhaps he didn’t specifically target them. We’ll have to wait for HoT to release before we can find out how widespread Mordremoth’s Call was.

The main issue for the Soundless is that they have no protection against Mordremoth which makes them especially vulnerable. To explain this in more depth: The Pale Tree.

Just a theory : is it possible that since they have enough willpower to detach themselves from the Dream, they could just as easily resist Mordremoth? After all, they are all about free will and independence.
Also, if ever the Pale Tree were to fall to Mordremoth, they would be the last Sylvaris to stay uncorrupted.

They are just more vulnerable to be taken by Mordy’s influence but not all can be taken.

As Canach mentioned in the beta test main Storyline, if the Commander is a Sylvari, only the weak willed Sylvari are falling under Mordy’s control. The Stronger willed ones are mostly just hearing his voice in their heads like the Sylvari Commander/Boss.

Points of Interests episode 18 outright states that the sylvari’s protection from Mordremoth is two-fold. One half is individual willpower, but the other half is protection from the Pale Tree/Dream.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/points-of-interest-episode-18-summary/

Sure, the Soundless might have enough willpower to resist Mordremoth… but they’re not protected via the Dream.

If Aerin can fall to Mordremoth, I don’t see why others would be so easy to resist Mordy.

CureForLiving.5360:

inch.3769:

Without the Pale tree to protect them, wouldn’t they be more vulnerable to falling to Mordremoth?

Yes.

inch.3769:

Also, wasn’t Aerin Soundless?

Depends on how you define Soundless, but he was seemingly cut off from the Dream so I guess, yes.

inch.3769:

And if he was had he turned to Mordemoth?

Never explicitly stated but it seems pretty definite, so yes.

inch.3769:

Was that why he went mad?

It seems to have been a combination of being Soundless and proximity to Mordy (the Zypherites were over Maguuma after all).

Cool thanks

Djahlat.9610:

Just a theory : is it possible that since they have enough willpower to detach themselves from the Dream, they could just as easily resist Mordremoth? After all, they are all about free will and independence.
Also, if ever the Pale Tree were to fall to Mordremoth, they would be the last Sylvaris to stay uncorrupted.

Disconnecting from the Dream doesn’t seem to be done via force of will. It seems to be the result of meditation and practice. But I haven’t been to the soundless isle recently.

It’s more than just that, Shiren, about Aerin’s sudden change. The exact dialogue about him being Soundless is this:

Player: He was Soundless, we believe.
Master of Wind: He was open—almost obsessive—about that. He claimed his connection to the Pale Tree and your Dream made him less of an individual. He called you all “the hive.” I don’t believe he meant to flatter.

So not only does he go from praising the Pale Tree and saying he’d record his trip in the Dream to being Soundless, but he goes further into bashing the Pale Tree and the Dream.

As for the Pale Tree’s protection post-Shadow of the Dragon attack, it’s stated in Episode 7 when you return to her that she ‘protected the Dream’. An odd thing to point out since it wasn’t even asked about, which means that the Pale Tree/wardens believe that’s very important to the situatino.

Unless there’s another dialog I missed, Aerin didn’t want to record his trip in the Dream, but in his journal.
=> Trader Aerin: “I shall record every moment in my journal so that even those who can’t access the Dream know the joy I’m experiencing.”

But, yeah, apart from that, his “Pale Tree guide me” line always bugged me.

How cool would it be to see the Nightmare Court actually come out to fight against Mordremoth as opposed to the cliche “We’re evil so we’re joining!”

Actually I think the soundsless are invulnerable to mordremoth. This because it is the dragon of mind, could mean that he corrupts them through mind control: in sylvari case the dream. But since soundsless are not connected anymore to the dream it would make them invuln.
Just a theory

The V.8759:

Actually I think the soundsless are invulnerable to mordremoth. This because it is the dragon of mind, could mean that he corrupts them through mind control: in sylvari case the dream. But since soundsless are not connected anymore to the dream it would make them invuln.
Just a theory

Aerin and Scarlet were both soundless.

from what I understand, the dream acts like a mental firewall

much like it’s perfectly possible to go online with no antimalware software on your computer, it’s not reccommended since you have no protection other than your own common sense (eg, don’t visit piracy or adult sites if you don’t want viruses)

the soundless are essentially doing that, but instead of a virus from naughty sites, they get turned into mordrem by a psychic jungle dragon.

The V.8759:

Actually I think the soundsless are invulnerable to mordremoth. This because it is the dragon of mind, could mean that he corrupts them through mind control: in sylvari case the dream. But since soundsless are not connected anymore to the dream it would make them invuln.
Just a theory

That seems to be a wrong theory. Aerin and Scarlet were both soundless (well.. disconnected from the dream anyway, they weren’t the same as the other soundless) and they were the first to be corrupted by Mordremoth (at least, as far as we know).

What seems to be the case is that defiance against corruption is determined by 1) strong will, 2) connection to the dream, 3) a strong pale tree and 4) distance from Modremoth.

Diovid.9506:

The V.8759:

Actually I think the soundsless are invulnerable to mordremoth. This because it is the dragon of mind, could mean that he corrupts them through mind control: in sylvari case the dream. But since soundsless are not connected anymore to the dream it would make them invuln.
Just a theory

That seems to be a wrong theory. Aerin and Scarlet were both soundless (well.. disconnected from the dream anyway, they weren’t the same as the other soundless) and they were the first to be corrupted by Mordremoth (at least, as far as we know).

What seems to be the case is that defiance against corruption is determined by 1) strong will, 2) connection to the dream, 3) a strong pale tree and 4) distance from Modremoth.

I know that that is the most logical explaination, but some things keep bothering me:
Sylvari are born from the pale tree and thus are not directlty created by mordremoth. If they indeed are creations of him, that would mean the pale tree is a creation of him. But then how does it protect the sylvari/itself? Did ventari already know it was made by a Dragon maybe?

Next to that, maybe I just want it to be that unlogical, I like complex stories whom are unexpected

@The V: Points of Interest episode 18 might hold some answers, HoT will likely explain it all.

Scott and Bobby recommend a playthrough of the story as a sylvari to experience the full psychological horror of Mordremoth’s power. The Elder Dragon can implant thoughts in its creations—thoughts they may even believe to be their own—and only a combination of immense willpower and the protection of the Pale Tree can prevent Mordremoth from taking control. Sylvari receive calls to action in the form of the Wyld Hunt—or the Dark Hunt, for Nightmare Courtiers—and these compulsions act as an access point for Mordremoth’s influence.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/points-of-interest-episode-18-summary/

Basically, given this and various dialogue in Season 2, the Pale Tree is capable of protecting the sylvari via the Dream/Nightmare. However, there are loopholes in that protection which Mordremoth is utilizing (Wyld Hunts and Dark Hunts) now that he’s awake.

As for Ventari – it’s exceedingly unlikely that Ventari had any idea. Knowledge of the Elder Dragons was excessively rare until Jormag rose, and even then most folks thought he was the only Elder Dragon until Zhaitan.

Shiren.9532:

I still don’t understand the writing around that, it was so clumsily handled. Before boarding the ship he was distinctly portrayed as not Soundless. It doesn’t make sense he would go from praising he Pale Tree and her role in his life, to suddenly shutting her out like the Soundless do. It’s a complete turn around from how he was last portrayed. I think the line about being Soundless was clumsily written in there to hint at the Pale Tree’s protection of sylvari, ignoring/forgetting that it conflicts with Aerin’s character portrayal.

It’s not clumsily handled, it’s not handled at all. Any number of things could have happened to change his mind, perhaps as he started learning more about the zypherite philosophies? But none of this is seen in game. Maybe one day ANet will give us a ‘mission’ or ‘flashback’ showing this process. Mind you I doubt it will ever happen.

inch.3769:

Without the Pale tree to protect them, wouldn’t they be more vulnerable to falling to Mordremoth? Also, wasn’t Aerin Soundless? And if he was had he turned to Mordemoth? Was that why he went mad?

I think the Soundless already turned long time ago…. they were just waiting for their time.