Guild Wars 2

That golden armor can be an illusion.
But, still, all this theories are overcomplicated, based on lucky coincidences and rise more questions that answer.
While theory than Lazarus is just 80% Lazarus is based on a probable idea: Caudecus f—-ed up and made a mistake. He is a human, not even a scientist, and has a huge self-conceit (he thinks of himself a lot more than he is). Between improbable odds and human stupidity, human stupidity is an anwser almost every time.

Ider.1276:

That golden armor can be an illusion.
But, still, all this theories are overcomplicated, based on lucky coincidences and rise more questions that answer.
While theory than Lazarus is just 80% Lazarus is based on a probable idea: Caudecus f—-ed up and made a mistake. He is a human, not even a scientist, and has a huge self-conceit (he thinks of himself a lot more than he is). Between improbable odds and human stupidity, human stupidity is an anwser almost every time.

Just as probable that it isn’t Lazarus for all we know.

And queen Jennah is a Deep Sea dragon.

My problem with the Joko theory is that it makes no logical sense. Sure there may be hints at us moving towards the Crystal Desert in the future, but by the same toke, Joko is established to be up and about and pretty much more or less fully dominating Elona. He has an army of former corrupted sunspears at his disposal (a group he has a personal grudge against) and an even larger army of undead that is no longer even being kept in check by Zhaitan’s minions, so what use could he possibly have for an army of white mantle (a group he knows literally nothing about)?

One of the Ebonhawke chickens. Those things surely can take a bloodstone blast or two.

So whats the basis on the Lazarus being actual Lazarus, that’s what I want to hear.

Sojourner.4621:

My problem with the Joko theory is that it makes no logical sense. Sure there may be hints at us moving towards the Crystal Desert in the future, but by the same toke, Joko is established to be up and about and pretty much more or less fully dominating Elona. He has an army of former corrupted sunspears at his disposal (a group he has a personal grudge against) and an even larger army of undead that is no longer even being kept in check by Zhaitan’s minions, so what use could he possibly have for an army of white mantle (a group he knows literally nothing about)?

He knows about the bloodstones, and as an old lich, it makes sense he would know about groups using them. He hasn’t sat still before his encapturement, nor after the period he was freed.
Yes, he’s dominated most of elona, but then kralkatorrik came. And now we don’t know whether they’re at a stalemate, or Joko is actually losing ground and desperately wants/needs more power. He might not’ve had knowledge of the white mantle inherently, but upon searching for the bloodstones, he came across them. And I wonder if he could just overtake the risen as easily. They’re still flowing with zhaitan’s magic, so he’d have to break their bodies beyond repair, and then once zhaitan’s influence is out, the bodies are so damaged theyré useless to him.

Bauer double-crossed Caudecus and resurrected the real Lazarus.

I just had this pointed out to me – it’s in Bauer’s Memoirs, supported by Grand Savant Valis the Learned’s Reasearch Journal. The whole “it’s not Lazarus” is a feint… it IS the real Lazarus the Dire.

Genius trick, but someone spotted it!

Cirian.8917:

Bauer double-crossed Caudecus and resurrected the real Lazarus.

I just had this pointed out to me – it’s in Bauer’s Memoirs, supported by Grand Savant Valis the Learned’s Reasearch Journal. The whole “it’s not Lazarus” is a feint… it IS the real Lazarus the Dire.

Genius trick, but someone spotted it!

I don’t know, as seen from Bauer’s memoirs, he had great dislike for Xera. So can’t imagine why he’d go and send all of the pieces to the keep.
Then us as the players raided the keep and as Grand Savant’s Journal shows he feared the worst so we can imagine the pieces of Lazarus were also headed there.

If it was the real Lazarus don’t you think he would have slayed Caudecus the instant he saw him. For being non-believer and trying to use white mantle for his own uses.

Still find it hard to believe it’s the new Lazarus, but that’s at least something more than saying it’s him without backing it up.

But what I was really after was to know the reasoning for 80% Lazarus people.

Cirian.8917:

Bauer double-crossed Caudecus and resurrected the real Lazarus.

I just had this pointed out to me – it’s in Bauer’s Memoirs, supported by Grand Savant Valis the Learned’s Reasearch Journal. The whole “it’s not Lazarus” is a feint… it IS the real Lazarus the Dire.

Genius trick, but someone spotted it!

Can you pinpoint it, please, I read the whole thing but I don’t see anything that makes me think the same as you. They way I read it, he’s just a grumpy devotee who worships the Unseen Ones, but prioritizes the armament for Caudecus over Project Rebirth.

Hawt take here. So in the OG GW1, Lazarus split himself into several aspects which he gave to several members of the broken up white mantle in order for him to survive the titans that were released on Tyria. In order for Lazarus to regain his true form, the host that held on to the aspect given by Lazarus had to die. Think of Harry Potter with the horcruxes. What if Caudecus WAS the final aspect. Once he was killed, the final aspect was released. Maybe Lazarus was able to be awoken using the other pieces, but it wasn’t his true, most powerful form. Caudecus could represent the aspect of power and greed which was absorbed into Lazarus after his death and ultimately corrupts Lazarus upon completing his final form.

Weli.4568:

If it was the real Lazarus don’t you think he would have slayed Caudecus the instant he saw him. For being non-believer and trying to use white mantle for his own uses.

Lazarus was always a drama queen. He can’t just kill someone without a villain-stile 2-minute monolog. Just remember Out of the Shadows: he could kill everyone there with a single thought. But no, he chained every White Mantle there and forced to listen to his speaches before burning them to death.
Even in GW1 he was so over the top, shouting curses to everyone after being defeated (cliche villain stile).
Personally I enjoy him that way, just having a giggle every time he transforms something trivial into theater play.

Blue Blade.3049:

Hawt take here. So in the OG GW1, Lazarus split himself into several aspects which he gave to several members of the broken up white mantle in order for him to survive the titans that were released on Tyria. In order for Lazarus to regain his true form, the host that held on to the aspect given by Lazarus had to die. Think of Harry Potter with the horcruxes. What if Caudecus WAS the final aspect. Once he was killed, the final aspect was released. Maybe Lazarus was able to be awoken using the other pieces, but it wasn’t his true, most powerful form. Caudecus could represent the aspect of power and greed which was absorbed into Lazarus after his death and ultimately corrupts Lazarus upon completing his final form.

I think it was established that he learnt from his mistake when using human’s as vessels for his soul and instead used artifacts as the vessel. So Caudecus was most likely not a vessel.

Reading back at gw1 wiki though it seems like the 80% theory is plausible just as much that it isn’t Lazarus. Or more like 65% in case he hasn’t recovered from the damage Justiciar Naveed did to his soul from before.

Now the real question is, what does he want.

Amaimon.7823:

Cirian.8917:

Bauer double-crossed Caudecus and resurrected the real Lazarus.

I just had this pointed out to me – it’s in Bauer’s Memoirs, supported by Grand Savant Valis the Learned’s Reasearch Journal. The whole “it’s not Lazarus” is a feint… it IS the real Lazarus the Dire.

Genius trick, but someone spotted it!

Can you pinpoint it, please, I read the whole thing but I don’t see anything that makes me think the same as you. They way I read it, he’s just a grumpy devotee who worships the Unseen Ones, but prioritizes the armament for Caudecus over Project Rebirth.

Okay so I just have a few moments but here’s the part containing Bauer’s double-cross of Caudecus:

Justiciar Bauer’s Memoirs, 75 Zephyr 1325 AE part 3 reads “I hate to be dishonest about our true intentions, but I am sure a faithful servant of the Unseen Ones such as the confessor will be forgiven when face-to-face with our god!”

Valis’ Journal records the secretive acts of Bauer concerning the resurrection of Lazarus the Dire towards the end.

I just prefer to think of Laz as being the same as before – just now he`s realised he is the last of his race and with him his legacy will die . What makes me wonder is .. if the mursaat actually came clean all those years ago about the titans etc and why they did what they did ( to stop the titans an eventual build up to release of Abbadon ) would things have been different ? Ok nightfall would not have happened or may have been delayed and joko may still be in his “prison” . We never really knew much about the ancient races and we have to remember “humans” are technically aliens to tyria due to the Gods bringing us with them ( or so the lore goes ) . Isnt the first time a chr in the gw universe swapped sides – Abbadon was good until his act of allowing magic use made the other 5 gods turn against him and look how that ended up ? It is kinda nice in a way to have a chr thats evil come to the side of good and try and make up for their previous acts. Also i believe something adding to Laz`s actions is the case of “absorbing” the magic from the bloodstone has made him also a target of the dragons due to them being attracted to magic and consuming it – a very big target which also adds to his self preservation – if he stays on the good side its less likely the heros will once again attempt to destroy him for good

Weli.4568:

Cirian.8917:

Bauer double-crossed Caudecus and resurrected the real Lazarus.

I just had this pointed out to me – it’s in Bauer’s Memoirs, supported by Grand Savant Valis the Learned’s Reasearch Journal. The whole “it’s not Lazarus” is a feint… it IS the real Lazarus the Dire.

Genius trick, but someone spotted it!

I don’t know, as seen from Bauer’s memoirs, he had great dislike for Xera. So can’t imagine why he’d go and send all of the pieces to the keep.
Then us as the players raided the keep and as Grand Savant’s Journal shows he feared the worst so we can imagine the pieces of Lazarus were also headed there.

If it was the real Lazarus don’t you think he would have slayed Caudecus the instant he saw him. For being non-believer and trying to use white mantle for his own uses.

Still find it hard to believe it’s the new Lazarus, but that’s at least something more than saying it’s him without backing it up.

But what I was really after was to know the reasoning for 80% Lazarus people.

It was said fairly shortly after the Lazarus reveal that Lazarus had his own reason for letting Caudecus live. It’s possible that Lazarus let Caudecus live because Lazarus knew that an aspect was missing and why, but not where the missing aspect was – if Caudecus died he’d have no leads as to where the missing aspect was, while a living Caudecus might lead to the missing aspect being located in one way or another.

draxynnic.3719:

Weli.4568:

Cirian.8917:

Bauer double-crossed Caudecus and resurrected the real Lazarus.

I just had this pointed out to me – it’s in Bauer’s Memoirs, supported by Grand Savant Valis the Learned’s Reasearch Journal. The whole “it’s not Lazarus” is a feint… it IS the real Lazarus the Dire.

Genius trick, but someone spotted it!

I don’t know, as seen from Bauer’s memoirs, he had great dislike for Xera. So can’t imagine why he’d go and send all of the pieces to the keep.
Then us as the players raided the keep and as Grand Savant’s Journal shows he feared the worst so we can imagine the pieces of Lazarus were also headed there.

If it was the real Lazarus don’t you think he would have slayed Caudecus the instant he saw him. For being non-believer and trying to use white mantle for his own uses.

Still find it hard to believe it’s the new Lazarus, but that’s at least something more than saying it’s him without backing it up.

But what I was really after was to know the reasoning for 80% Lazarus people.

It was said fairly shortly after the Lazarus reveal that Lazarus had his own reason for letting Caudecus live. It’s possible that Lazarus let Caudecus live because Lazarus knew that an aspect was missing and why, but not where the missing aspect was – if Caudecus died he’d have no leads as to where the missing aspect was, while a living Caudecus might lead to the missing aspect being located in one way or another.

It could just be a plot device to allow the story to move forward. Same reason why Jennah didn’t use her mesmer mind powers to learn everything from Caudecus, when he was suspected of being a traitor after CM story dungeon.

Caudecus expected the ritual to fail with the fake aspect.

1) If it did fail, the group doing the ritual may have simply decided to lie and createkittene Lazarus to seize control from Caudecus with the detonation and absorption of the bloodstone as a way to empower their stand-in. Problem with that is them helping us, what’s their “long game”.

2) The ritual “appeared” to succeed and someone or something else is pretending to seize control of the White Mantle for their own ends, maybe that’s just a bonus, with the first being consuming the magic of that bloodstone.

3) The ritual did succeed with only 4 pieces and we got a mostly Lazarus with mostly Mursaat powers. If he encounters the other aspect would he suddenly go full Lazarus or are the aspects like a RAID array and could still restore Lazarus with 4 of the 5 but it will take time to reconstruct the missing portion?

Not sure what I would like to see more.

Personally, I think it is Lazarus. Because he wasn’t fully revived, it messed with his resurrection process, resulting in a non-evil Lazarus. Maybe if he manages to get the last aspect of him, he’ll end up returning to his full “unseen one” ways. (aka, becoming a coward and running away from the elder dragons like the Mursaat did last time)

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

So is the mysterious unnamed villain behind the Golems created by Zinn that were sent to assassinate Queen Salma, the Princes of Elona and Emperor Kizu a candidate for the fake Lazarus?

As Sherlock Holmes stated: “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”

We must consider all possibilities including this possibility as well as the possibility that Fake Lazarus is Menzies the Mad as shocking it may seem!

I’ve always hated that quote. It makes such breathtakingly arrogant assumptions: that you have successfully identified all the possibilities, and that you can conclusively eliminate all but one.

I agree Caudecus was expecting the ritual to fail. And as he’s a megalomaniac mad man, he couldn’t figure anything else, so that may be the reason why he’s claiming Lazarus is a fake.

I think the ritual partially succeeded, ie Lazarus got back, but he’s still missing some of his aspects. Maybe he just managed to compensate by draining the bloodstone. That may also explain why he’s behaving better, even if, as a Mursaat, he knows quite well the threat that Elder Dragons are, and the fact than the living being who managed to kill 2 of them should not be taken lightly.

Anyway, I more inclined to think he’s looking for ways to become full again, so maybe his missing aspect : that’d explain why he let Caudecus live, and why he wants to collaborate. He may also want to collaborate so that he could draw more power from more powerful sources : aka Elder Dragons.

From the gw1 wiki "Lazarus split himself up into several aspects and imbued them within members of the broken White Mantle, claiming them to be a blessing. The plan was to wait until the threat of Abaddon and the Titans had passed, and then free each aspect one by one until Lazarus had regained his full power. Unfortunately, he found that freeing each aspect would kill its host.
Lazarus cared little for this collateral damage, but the host of the final aspect, former Justiciar Naveed, cared quite a bit. Having long since realised that Lazarus’ gift was no blessing, he fled to the Tarnished Coast, where he sought the help of the talented asura Glayvin. Together, they were able to severely damage the aspect, but not remove it. When Lazarus eventually came to claim the corrupted aspect, he felt his power turn on him. He fled to go into recovery, but not before vowing vengeance against “countless generations”. "

Meaning it is most likely Lazarus, just that he can’t recover until he has the last aspect which I assume was successfully switched out anyway. And he’s just playing the role of a good guy until he finds the last aspect, then turns against us and we get to fight him.

What it the Missing piece Contained Lazarus’ mind and it is this guy controlling the body
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Justiciar_Naveed

The fake Lazarus is clearly Oswald Thorn. All of this is clearly a convoluted, destructive and cruel gigantic joke! a royal pun!

All Mursaat were worshipped as gods by the White Mantle, therefore this imposter cannot be a Mursaat. I have no idea who’s behind the disguise, but I can’t wait to learn the truth!

I don’t think it’s a “good guy”, though, because clearly they used the Aurene vs. destroyers encounter to win the Commander’s trust. I believe strongly that it’s a sinister force, and very likely a spy for the White Mantle.

Ogwom.7940:

It would be funny if it were Kasmeer lol

LOL

Ashantara.8731:

All Mursaat were worshipped as gods by the White Mantle, therefore this imposter cannot be a Mursaat.

sorry, I don’t follow this logic? All mursaat were indeed worshipped as gods,
while the white mantle is currently fractaled, there is still a big group that still
worships them as gods, Xera’s unit for example, and Bauer (although he more
out of fear).
There were also groups who didn’t care about the mursaat and joined the white
mantle for political reasons, aka Caudecus’ faction.

It’s really Mad King Thorn.

I think “Lazarus” is infact disguised Kormir. She wants to steal our glory and get famous for savior of the world again.

This story line will start a road for whole new game and is leading episode for Guild Wars 3. Those 6 Gods will raise up in one by one and help us to deal with Elder Dragons. When we kill last Elder Dragon, the whole world is in danger because all of that arcane magic is pouring freely. Those 6 Gods have seen that we have put in danger whole world with our actions. So they will safe our world and that’s begins new game: Guild Wars 3 – Wrath of Gods.

Sinope.5630:

I think “Lazarus” is infact disguised Kormir. She wants to steal our glory and get famous for savior of the world again.

One Reason why it can’t be Kormir.

1. Lazarus actually can kill things and isn’t a useless piece of kitten.

Walhalla.5473:

Sinope.5630:

I think “Lazarus” is infact disguised Kormir. She wants to steal our glory and get famous for savior of the world again.

One Reason why it can’t be Kormir.

1. Lazarus actually can kill things and isn’t a useless piece of kitten.

Reason 1 why it could be Kormir:
Lazarus made some sense, this guy made zero sense and counterintuitive decisions. Something Kormir was also good at

I think this false Lazarus is none other than E aka the person giving you those random mails. If so I think E is none other than Kasmeer’s father who got in trouble with the nobility of Divinity’s Reach. If so his idea to help Dragon’s Watch as a false Lazarus is possibly a plot of revenge. Also it’s possible Caudecus was a pretender ruler of the White Mantle and that E is their true Confessor or some other leader title.

zolcor.2601:

I think this false Lazarus is none other than E aka the person giving you those random mails. If so I think E is none other than Kasmeer’s father who got in trouble with the nobility of Divinity’s Reach. If so his idea to help Dragon’s Watch as a false Lazarus is possibly a plot of revenge. Also it’s possible Caudecus was a pretender ruler of the White Mantle and that E is their true Confessor or some other leader title.

Nah, I already think Blaine is E,
he said in a mail that Blaine is a fake name. And he knew it was you and could send a mail out from that well despite never catching your name or face, so he knew by some way that it was you. Only E would have such intel AND be able to use that intel from a well. Plus he was in the well hiding from the white mantle, which colaborates with the rather antagonistic letters he send to Caudecus

Kasmeer’s father died in prison, or at least Kas strongly believes this. It certainly is the public story. It seems unlikely that a supposedly dead man would be in a position to learn a lot of the high-up politics going on — who’s going to trust an unknown man with state secrets? It really is likely to be someone with connections.

Blaine sounds hapless and plaintive. Could be a facade, of course. He also sounds a little bit young and higher voice than what I picture from Marjory’s intro story. Might be a voice actor issue, I’ll admit.

“A deep voice whispered next to my ear, “Calm.” I sensed no necromantic power radiating from my captor. This was someone different. “The man you’re chasing is Kraig the Bleak. Magic for hire. You’ll probably never see him again.”

I asked, “Who are you?”

“Listen closely,” the deep voice said. “There are forces at work in this city, in this world, that will take us all down if we let them. Together, you and I can make a difference.”

My body was relaxing, senses expanding, and I’d finally caught my breath. “And what a positive start to our relationship.” My sense of humor was even returning.

“One you won’t forget. I’ll be in touch. You can call me E.” " https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Marjory's_Story:_The_Last_Straw

E being the fake Lazarus doesn’t feel right to me. I cannot say what does (though Kas being so very off camera could be significant in that regard … assuming she had a way to summon actual fire to burn up all those Mantle during the confrontation in Bloodstone Fen).

Putting things into context Ive 3 theories as to who Lazarus could be, or is.

Theory 1: Lazarus is actually Lazarus:

Its a double-bluff, a ploy meant to throw us off and distrust Lazarus as almost a final blow to his inital goals of bringing unity to us, or, Lazarus is using us because his actual agenda is far more obvious.

We Know Lazarus wanted to reform the mantle into a spear against the dragon (ironically a refference to the fact there was a spear involved in trying to kill Krally in Edge of Destiny) and that he regards himself as a true god, welcoming those that refuse to follow him as welcome to burn and die.

He helps us defeat the dragon minions attacking Aurene, and this leads me to believe theres a much more logical reason for this. Lazarus is actually trying to protect Aurene because he wants to use her for some reason himself in the future.

More importantly, Lazarus is the last of his race, or is he? Maybe what were failing to realize is that he BLEW UP A BLOODSTONE, literally causing the once imprisoned magic of Tyria the gods themselves tried to restrain to be horribly unleashed on this world. As a result, that magic is going wild and chaotic, and with so much magic around, the ressurection of an entire race no longer seems impossible. Which could be his goal.

Theory 2, Lazarus, is, E:

E, could be or would be an impersonator who has managed to use some questionably unethical powers in order to gain significant supernatural influence and manage to masquerade himself as Lazarus the Dire in order to make himself seem omnipotent.

Keep in mind that Kasmeer allegedly belongs to an order of Mesmers, while I dont believe E is Kasmeer, I believe E could be part of this alleged cult Kasmeer is apart of, and may even be its leader.

Given that he speaks of using Logan, and seems to have quite a few people in his grip (im actually convinced now even Anise obeys E) I suspect E’s agenda is to reform the white mantle, and potentially is some kind of decendant of Saul or someone that was inspired by his goals.

Thesis Three: Lazarus is Gleam

This is the… probable answer given that Gleam is very much alive and Lazarus has been seen using terribly great amonts of magical firepower which fire is often assosiated with dragons regardless of their nature.

It also explains the false Lazarus inherant desire to protect Aurene given that it would make her his younger sister and he would naturally want to save her from danger.

In addition to this, Gleam would be logical because given the direction were going it seems inevitable the next expansion will pit us against Kralkatorrik at this point and that would mean Gleam has taken up his mothers mantle as prophet and aid to help us push things forwards. He also absorbed the bloodstones magic in order to become strong enough to fight the Elder Dragon so his sister wouldnt have to.

Thesis Four: Lazarus is only mostly Lazarus. Whatever was substituted in for the final element either (a) turns out to be part of something else, or (b) let the white mantle cook a not-quite-the-original version of him.

This results in adjusted behaviour, and more niceness.

Thesis ALPHA OMEGA: Lazarus is Palawa Joko

Amaimon.7823:

Thesis ALPHA OMEGA: Lazarus is Palawa Joko

I think it’s more likely that Lazarus is Livia.

DarcShriek.5829:

Amaimon.7823:

Thesis ALPHA OMEGA: Lazarus is Palawa Joko

I think it’s more likely that Lazarus is Livia.

I think Marjory being Lazarus is more likely than either of these theories.

Palawa Joko is still ruling over Elona, last we heard, and I doubt he’s crossed the desert all the way to the Maguuma Jungle – the entire opposite end of the Tyrian continent – just to… what, fight the dragons? Take over the White Mantle? He’s got an undead army, he doesn’t need a living one as well.

Everyone wants to see Livia’s return, and while I don’t doubt that she still is out there in the game, somewhere, waiting for a chance to return, I don’t think she’s using mesmer magic at all (although if she really is Anise, I’m totally wrong on that front). How and when she’ll return, I don’t know, but I don’t want her to be posing as a mursaat to do so.

Rognik.2579:

DarcShriek.5829:

Amaimon.7823:

Thesis ALPHA OMEGA: Lazarus is Palawa Joko

I think it’s more likely that Lazarus is Livia.

I think Marjory being Lazarus is more likely than either of these theories.

Palawa Joko is still ruling over Elona, last we heard, and I doubt he’s crossed the desert all the way to the Maguuma Jungle – the entire opposite end of the Tyrian continent – just to… what, fight the dragons? Take over the White Mantle? He’s got an undead army, he doesn’t need a living one as well.

Everyone wants to see Livia’s return, and while I don’t doubt that she still is out there in the game, somewhere, waiting for a chance to return, I don’t think she’s using mesmer magic at all (although if she really is Anise, I’m totally wrong on that front). How and when she’ll return, I don’t know, but I don’t want her to be posing as a mursaat to do so.

who needs the bloodstones more than palawa joko? he’s fighting an elder dragon with sandy ragdolls, I don’t think there enough bloodstones in he world to sate palawa joko

Rognik.2579:

DarcShriek.5829:

Amaimon.7823:

Thesis ALPHA OMEGA: Lazarus is Palawa Joko

I think it’s more likely that Lazarus is Livia.

I think Marjory being Lazarus is more likely than either of these theories.

Palawa Joko is still ruling over Elona, last we heard, and I doubt he’s crossed the desert all the way to the Maguuma Jungle – the entire opposite end of the Tyrian continent – just to… what, fight the dragons? Take over the White Mantle? He’s got an undead army, he doesn’t need a living one as well.

Everyone wants to see Livia’s return, and while I don’t doubt that she still is out there in the game, somewhere, waiting for a chance to return, I don’t think she’s using mesmer magic at all (although if she really is Anise, I’m totally wrong on that front). How and when she’ll return, I don’t know, but I don’t want her to be posing as a mursaat to do so.

Can’t be Marjory. She was with us when he showed up. There’s a reason you never see batman and bruce wayne in the same room.

DarcShriek.5829:

Can’t be Marjory. She was with us when he showed up. There’s a reason you never see batman and bruce wayne in the same room.

I know that. Everyone knows that. That was my point.

Rognik.2579:

DarcShriek.5829:

Can’t be Marjory. She was with us when he showed up. There’s a reason you never see batman and bruce wayne in the same room.

I know that. Everyone knows that. That was my point.

then why is Marjory a more likely possibility than Joko or Livia?
I mean.. those two are solid options, Marjory isn’t an option at all

I think in the end Lazarus is just Lazarus. He’s probably getting close to find his missing aspect. Perhaps the missing aspect is why we are able to see him.

I like the idea of Gleam but I’m just not sure anet is going in that direction.

Same with the six god theory.

Amaimon.7823:

then why is Marjory a more likely possibility than Joko or Livia?
I mean.. those two are solid options, Marjory isn’t an option at all

Joko is not a valid theory, no matter what you might think. He has his own army down in the Desolate Wastes, and he’d need a very, VERY good reason for crossing a continent to pose as a long-dead mursaat.

Livia is a bit more valid, but I don’t see her posing as Lazarus. People point out that she was a member of the Shining Blade, so I find it hard for her to accept using the White Mantle as anything but target practice. I don’t believe she’s ever shown any evidence of knowing mesmer magic, and despite the illusion Faren we find in Confessor’s End, I feel like a crossdressing illusion would be much harder to maintain than one closer to the original form.

Lazarus isn’t Palawa Joko or Livia. I don’t know who he is, or if he is even a fake, but the discovery will certainly be interesting.

In the articles from before release of the game it was stated that noone can cross from Tyria to Elona except for the Order of Whispers somehow. Palawa Joko is blocked by an Elder Dragon from coming north. And it would be quite risky for him to leave Elona alone and travel to Tyria.
I’d say it would be quite silly wrting if first we would see Lazarus, then discover it’s not him and then again “oh it’s him in the end”. Not a fan of this theory, but I see that it would make sense probably more than any other.
If it would not be Lazarus, it would have to be someone able to consume the Bloodstone’s Power and at the same time use an illussion or shapeshift into the Mursaat. I just checked GW1 wiki and interestingly Gleam’s profession is mesmer.
I wouldn’t say it is a human (including Livia who shouldn’t have any power to mimic Lazarus) or any other playable race, I consider them too weak to survive through that kind of process.
I still would slightly consider a seer, because of their power and knowledge of both mursaat and bloodstones. I’d rather say we will see this race later, but still very soon – current events in LS are going around the Mursaat so there could be no better moment to introduce them again.

Concluding: now I think Lazarus being himself is a boring idea but most probable to happen. Gleam on 2nd place and a seer on 3rd.

I still think the substituted piece was Jobotron, who became the controlling personality of Lazurustron!

Cirian.8917:

Amaimon.7823:

Cirian.8917:

Bauer double-crossed Caudecus and resurrected the real Lazarus.

I just had this pointed out to me – it’s in Bauer’s Memoirs, supported by Grand Savant Valis the Learned’s Reasearch Journal. The whole “it’s not Lazarus” is a feint… it IS the real Lazarus the Dire.

Genius trick, but someone spotted it!

Can you pinpoint it, please, I read the whole thing but I don’t see anything that makes me think the same as you. They way I read it, he’s just a grumpy devotee who worships the Unseen Ones, but prioritizes the armament for Caudecus over Project Rebirth.

Okay so I just have a few moments but here’s the part containing Bauer’s double-cross of Caudecus:

Justiciar Bauer’s Memoirs, 75 Zephyr 1325 AE part 3 reads “I hate to be dishonest about our true intentions, but I am sure a faithful servant of the Unseen Ones such as the confessor will be forgiven when face-to-face with our god!”

Valis’ Journal records the secretive acts of Bauer concerning the resurrection of Lazarus the Dire towards the end.

I don’t think he’s being dishonest to Caudecus, It’s Xera he’s being dishonest with. Bauer has been faithful to Caudecus’ plans even before he was a confessor.

The issue there is that normally, you’d expect people to write their true feelings in their own journal… unless, that is, Bauer was expecting that someone would read his journal.

draxynnic.3719:

The issue there is that normally, you’d expect people to write their true feelings in their own journal… unless, that is, Bauer was expecting that someone would read his journal.

some people, especially those in cults and emperator orders, do tend to write their journals in code, or in a riddly fashion only they themselves would be able to translate. Often because they contain knowledge thats important to remember, but could prove fatal to your works if an enemy found it.
It’s never out of the question how far people go to speak in..- write in tongues

draxynnic.3719:

The issue there is that normally, you’d expect people to write their true feelings in their own journal… unless, that is, Bauer was expecting that someone would read his journal.

Also, who was the confessor when Bauer wrote this. He refers to someone that is faithful to the unseen ones, which would be the previous confessor. Bauer knew of Caudecus’ intentions when Caudecus was just a justiciar.

The note was written on 75 Zephyr, which is early in the year. Caudecus was not the Confessor yet. Bauer is not a traitor to Caudecus, he is a traitor to the former Confessor.

The artifact switch was made.