Guild Wars 2

If I didn’t know better, I would think that Trahearne is attracted to the Player Character in the same way Sylvari pair off with other people they respect and admire. He doesn’t care what race, gender etc. you are, he just wants you at his side. (Which would have been interesting if we were allowed to pursue a romance with him. ^.^ )

Which definitely makes sense. He needs a strong female/male player to support and encourage him. In that regard, it makes a lot more sense of him needing you for everything and I definitely got that vibe.

The problem is though, the execution of the spoken dialogue often times leaves the player thinking WTH? But I just… I just explored this area, did this quest and killed x number of monster/elites/champions etc. and yet, the story now seems to revolve around him?!

With examples that could point to the discussion the Mother Tree has with Trahearne and the attempt made on your life etc… there are potentials here to make good comments about the player character, but often time they are missed or ignored. At least that’s how I felt when I stood by the Mother Tree who seemed to ignore that I was there for the most part… I might be a vain creature, but at least say something as important to me as you did for your son. As well as, don’t tell me they’re trying to get to you through me. Maybe it’s worded poorly, but I am the biggest threat to the Dragon and it knows it. It’s not afraid of Trahearne, it’s afraid of me, but while I get that feeling… the responses I get from others seem to try to negate that.

It’s discrepancies like that which bothered me and which alienated some of the other players into hating him. Thankfully, I’m not one of the haters, but I definitely can see why people resent him as it makes sense. If only enough focus was equally shared between the player and Sylvari leader. It would have lessened the resentment.

But I wonder… does anyone think the mention of “kill the leader” could be referred to Trahearne? Master of Peace is referred to as Master (you might say leader, but I wouldn’t referred to him as that as he does have a Title) but it could also referred to the Leader of the Pact. I would totally laugh if you have to rush to protect our fearless Leader again. (Don’t worry buddy, I’m coming to save you!!!! again!"

(…or it could refer to “And their Leader…” but that’s a whole different story.)

ZidZabre.7256:

I think most of the hate towards Traeherne is coming of the Kormir hate.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Even though the reasons for griping about Kormir were more of a joke (no player in their right mind should have expected to become the God of Knowledge – I mean come on). However, the experience was often comically cited as bad only because the player didn’t get much recognition for their deeds and Komir stole all the credit. Flash forward 250 years and Trae does the same thing in retrospect.

Ronin.7381:

ZidZabre.7256:

I think most of the hate towards Traeherne is coming of the Kormir hate.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Even though the reasons for griping about Kormir were more of a joke (no player in their right mind should have expected to become the God of Knowledge – I mean come on). However, the experience was often comically cited as bad only because the player didn’t get much recognition for their deeds and Komir stole all the credit. Flash forward 250 years and Trae does the same thing in retrospect.

. . . sigh.

No. Traeherne doesn’t. Kormir didn’t either. You got an entire epilogue instance both times where our characters could chat up others and get credit. There are more than a few instances in GW2 where credit is not given to Traeherne, but to the player character.

The Kormir hate anymore seems founded entirely in a comedy animation which was thrown together. The Traeherne hate comes from people expecting to be the Nevarine all over again and not getting it.

Shardelyss.4807:

But I wonder… does anyone think the mention of “kill the leader” could be referred to Trahearne? Master of Peace is referred to as Master (you might say leader, but I wouldn’t referred to him as that as he does have a Title) but it could also referred to the Leader of the Pact. I would totally laugh if you have to rush to protect our fearless Leader again. (Don’t worry buddy, I’m coming to save you!!!! again!"

(…or it could refer to “And their Leader…” but that’s a whole different story.)

Given the indications that the protection of the Pale Tree through the Dream might be what’s protecting sylvari from being an easy target for the Plant Jungle Dragon Who Specialises In Corrupting Plants (I’m putting extra stress on this to emphasise that Mordremoth having an easy time corrupting unprotected sylvari does not mean that they were his minions all along, simply that they’re plants and Mordy specialises in corrupting plants) then the “leader” could well be the Pale Tree. Kill the Pale Tree, disconnect all the sylvari from the Dream, and they would all then become easy pickings for Mordremoth.

Trahearne’s character was mangled from the beginning. Poorly developed. Poorly written. Poorly voiced. Poorly executed. Half of the time his comments are out of sync with what’s happening in the personal story.

The hate for Trahearne is the fault of whoever implemented his character in such a flawed manner.

StinVec.3621:

The reason as to why Trahearne is loathed by so many is written out at length by many players over in the Living World Discussion and Lore Discussion sub-forums. The short version was mentioned up above; we do all the work, he gets all the credit/glory/rewards/titles after having done nothing.

The players want their spotlight as the hero (we did the work of one), but all we got was barely a footnote as being “Random Person #2,319,575 that may or may not have done something to help Trahearne, the Real Hero, to save Tyria.” – Trahearne needs to cozy up to a wood chipper and not return to our story to steal our glory and trod all over our sense of accomplishment from our saving Tyria.

Here is a good image that goes around the forums that accurately displays what happened and how it affected the Players behind the Player Characters.
(contains spoiler for end of “personal story” with fighting Zhaitan – the spoiler is the “fight” itself as well as the presence of Trahearne…who spoils anything he makes himself apart of)

Where on earth dose this keep coming from? When dose he take credit for killing the dragon? He gets to be leader of the Pact which is probably because otherwise you’d be stuck with them since you can’t really have the Marshal kittening off to do other things and because you belong to one of the orders.

Demented Sheep.1642:

Where on earth dose this keep coming from? When dose he take credit for killing the dragon? He gets to be leader of the Pact which is probably because otherwise you’d be stuck with them since you can’t really have the Marshal kittening off to do other things and because you belong to one of the orders.

And the sad truth is, he doesn’t take credit for all that much anyway. There is exactly one indefensible gap in how things flow . . . and a simple edit to include an after-comment would fix it. The time you name Fort Trinity, then he claims it’s a name he thought of. Sure, all that is needed to fix it is to turn around after and say “they needed it to come from me, and not you, so they don’t question my authority – they need to trust in me, and in you, together.”

His character sucks, and you can tell especially when the voice actor sounds bored out of his mind and feels like he is sat down holding the script in front of his face and reading it.

He isn’t very interesting and unless your Slyvari comes out of nowhere. Unlike the Destiny Edge he isn’t established in the slightest, even new players who never played GW1 are introduced to this party of heroes who once fought side by side it’s a simple concept that people understand. However, trahearne comes out of nowhere he isn’t mentioned in the slightest before you begin searching for a way to deal with Orr and his introduction is very intrusive.

From the beginning you know that the story will focus on this random Slyvari who you never knew.

Making him the Marshal was perhaps the dumbest decision made on the developers part, when you meet him he is wreck and this barely changes in fact he never changes. He is extremely unsure of himself and constantly questioning himself to the point where he keeps asking your character to do everything for him and make all the decisions (you even do speeches for him).

In short he is in the wrong place at the wrong time, he isn’t fit to be the marshal of the trinity and he shows no qualities of leadership, he isn’t confident in himself, he can’t communicate with anyone but your own character and the only reason he is comfortable with that is because you shared a dream.

They could bring him back if they did it right but I don’t think Anet is up to the challenge he will probably be a minor character at best.

Trahearne definitely has at least an indirect part in the story, and I think there’s plenty of potential for him to have a role. Of course, that all depends on execution, but that’s a given.

And lol at people STILL propagating the false belief that Trahearne steals the spotlight and “credit” from the character.

MastaNeenja.1537:

They could bring him back if they did it right but I don’t think Anet is up to the challenge he will probably be a minor character at best.

I don’t think “challenge” is the issue, as much as RL issues (getting the actor back to the studio for the LS2 material) . . . and knowing half the forum will catch fire if they do.

Cruril Darksbane.2318:

His character sucks, and you can tell especially when the voice actor sounds bored out of his mind and feels like he is sat down holding the script in front of his face and reading it.

That’s not the impression I got. I mean, I’ve heard “just shove them into a sound booth and record them doing line reads” in early-age CD-Rom games. King’s Quest 5 comes to mind for some terrible reads . . . and in comparison, Traeherne sounds more “subdued”. Then again, I find most sylvari do unless we’re talking Nightmare-influenced or Scarlet.

See, those characters? You could almost see them chewing the scenery and asking for ketchup.

He isn’t very interesting and unless your Slyvari comes out of nowhere. Unlike the Destiny Edge he isn’t established in the slightest, even new players who never played GW1 are introduced to this party of heroes who once fought side by side it’s a simple concept that people understand. However, trahearne comes out of nowhere he isn’t mentioned in the slightest before you begin searching for a way to deal with Orr and his introduction is very intrusive.

I found that more an issue with the story pacing than the character himself. The story outside of the first bits (racial stuff in your home region) felt very half-baked. The last bit in Orr felt more coherent, but that middle part . . .

Making him the Marshal was perhaps the dumbest decision made on the developers part, when you meet him he is wreck and this barely changes in fact he never changes. He is extremely unsure of himself and constantly questioning himself to the point where he keeps asking your character to do everything for him and make all the decisions (you even do speeches for him).

That’s not the dumbest decision the devs made. The dumbest one is including asura as anything other than target practice.

And your interpretation of him, I just don’t quite agree with. I don’t feel like going into specifics (again) so I’ll just say we don’t see the same character out of that.

In short he is in the wrong place at the wrong time, he isn’t fit to be the marshal of the trinity and he shows no qualities of leadership, he isn’t confident in himself, he can’t communicate with anyone but your own character and the only reason he is comfortable with that is because you shared a dream.

Well . . . we do lack Vorlons to help us find the right person, in the right place, at the right time.

I would have had no objections at all to playing second fiddle to Trahearne if his voice acting hadn’t been so wooden (pun not intended, but perhaps apt nonetheless). I can only surmise that the VA decided the Sylvari should be placid at all times, but it really deadens some of the high points of the story for me.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

MastaNeenja.1537:

They could bring him back if they did it right but I don’t think Anet is up to the challenge he will probably be a minor character at best.

I don’t think “challenge” is the issue, as much as RL issues (getting the actor back to the studio for the LS2 material) . . . and knowing half the forum will catch fire if they do.

Those are some good points, but the forum is already on fire on a daily basis, if the developers took everything to heart on here they would have some serious emotional baggage. If the actor who first portrayed Trahearne isn’t available to make a reprisal they can always find someone else to pick up the role.

For all Trahearne hate, it doesn’t seem right to just leave off with him where he’s at. I know some players would love to see him get killed but I don’t think it has to go that way either.

Zombiism.9375:

I guess since all he does is follow the PC around and get all the credit

Only, he doesn’t. Trust me, I’ve done personal story twice and he really doesn’t take credit at all.

StinVec.3621:

The reason as to why Trahearne is loathed by so many is written out at length by many players over in the Living World Discussion and Lore Discussion sub-forums. The short version was mentioned up above; we do all the work, he gets all the credit/glory/rewards/titles after having done nothing.

The players want their spotlight as the hero (we did the work of one), but all we got was barely a footnote as being “Random Person #2,319,575 that may or may not have done something to help Trahearne, the Real Hero, to save Tyria.” – Trahearne needs to cozy up to a wood chipper and not return to our story to steal our glory and trod all over our sense of accomplishment from our saving Tyria.

You know, if people would actually PAY ATTENTION to the personal story, they’d see the fact that Trahearne actually dumps credit onto the player acharacter more then he takes it for himself.

At one point in Orr my Norn ranger was hailed with “Sylvari, charr, and Norn are all singing songs in YOUR HONOR.” Not Traehearnes, but my characters. Eir sent my norn ranger a message talking about how people speak of her(my character) as if she took out plaguebringer (the dragon at claw island) BY HERSELF. Not “Traehearne did it.” but “The slayer of issomer? Yeah she wrestled that dragon to the ground and slew it!”

Kalavier.1097:

Zombiism.9375:

I guess since all he does is follow the PC around and get all the credit

Only, he doesn’t. Trust me, I’ve done personal story twice and he really doesn’t take credit at all.

Yes, he does, at one distinct point where “Fort Trinity” is named. And that is all.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Kalavier.1097:

Zombiism.9375:

I guess since all he does is follow the PC around and get all the credit

Only, he doesn’t. Trust me, I’ve done personal story twice and he really doesn’t take credit at all.

Yes, he does, at one distinct point where “Fort Trinity” is named. And that is all.

Well, he takes credit for things he does, like forging of the pact where he leads the mission/directs the player where to go, and another time IIRC.

But he doesn’t take 100% of the credit :P.

NEOCROM.8957:

I just want to discuss about this. Season 2 with new content, Mordremoth, new map, possible city, possible skills, i hope, and the hate of some ppl for Trahearne. Now why is Trahearne so unwanted and hated by many ppl?:D

Because he’s a trustafarian brat. The only worthwhile thing he’s ever shown doing is sticking a sword in the ground; even then, we’re the ones who have to take him there, and his mom just gave him the sword as a reward for tagging along with us on a vision quest. “Hey, you copied off the PC and still barely passed your exams. I’m so proud of you! Here’s a new Ferrari. Oh, hi Trahearne’s friend (oh, you’re my kid? awk-ward). Um. Got nothing for you. Sorry about Tybalt.”

Even within the Pact he really doesn’t do much other than order people to do either the obvious, or follow a plan laid out by one or more of the Orders — the only reason the Orders even made him their leader is that everyone (I almost said “everyone else”, but…) who was actually qualified was already affiliated with one group.

I mean, seriously, couldn’t the Pale Tree have just given us Saladbowlg and cut out the middleman?

Also, the game tries to pretend that he is some sort of inspiring leader, but his VO doesn’t have nearly enough charisma to back that up.

perilisk.1874:

Also, the game tries to pretend that he is some sort of inspiring leader, but his VO doesn’t have nearly enough charisma to back that up.

You’re right, we should have gotten BRIAN BLESSED. (Yes the caps are mandatory.)

Demented Sheep.1642:

StinVec.3621:

The reason as to why Trahearne is loathed by so many is written out at length by many players over in the Living World Discussion and Lore Discussion sub-forums. The short version was mentioned up above; we do all the work, he gets all the credit/glory/rewards/titles after having done nothing.

The players want their spotlight as the hero (we did the work of one), but all we got was barely a footnote as being “Random Person #2,319,575 that may or may not have done something to help Trahearne, the Real Hero, to save Tyria.” – Trahearne needs to cozy up to a wood chipper and not return to our story to steal our glory and trod all over our sense of accomplishment from our saving Tyria.

Here is a good image that goes around the forums that accurately displays what happened and how it affected the Players behind the Player Characters.
(contains spoiler for end of “personal story” with fighting Zhaitan – the spoiler is the “fight” itself as well as the presence of Trahearne…who spoils anything he makes himself apart of)

Where on earth dose this keep coming from? When dose he take credit for killing the dragon? He gets to be leader of the Pact which is probably because otherwise you’d be stuck with them since you can’t really have the Marshal kittening off to do other things and because you belong to one of the orders.

It isn’t that he takes credit, so much as that the writers inexplicably make everyone in the world give him credit he doesn’t deserve. He’s just a bad character in a bad story.

I mean, if the writers wrote him as a deluded, grandiose narcissist who is always taking credit for your actions despite being acknowledged in the story (and by more than a few NPCs, when they know he won’t hear) as essentially a useless and incompetent figurehead, so long as it was clear that it was a deliberate characterization by the writers, he wouldn’t be nearly so hated. He might even be liked if they wrote his dialogue well enough (assuming they had a VO to pull that sort of personality off).

perilisk.1874:

It isn’t that he takes credit, so much as that the writers inexplicably make everyone in the world give him credit he doesn’t deserve. He’s just a bad character in a bad story.

. . . okay, now I need to know where that happens.

I liked Trahearne very much. He fit into his character as a bit stiff, not too comfortable with what he’s doing but it’s his Wyld Hunt, and with the help of the hero (you) he comes to term with that Wyld Hunt and resolves to finish it.

I do not belive Trahearne will be back as a main character. His Wyld Hunt is pretty much done. What is left of it is to fight Risen in Orr mainly. But pretty much Risen in Tyria.

Mordremoth will have someone else to deal with, if it’s a new group, new characters, unexpected characters or we as gamers, that will time tell :^)

I find it very exciting and I am enjoying the story alot. I even read up on the story from GW1 and that story didn’t repeat itself as some of you seem to be afraid of will happen. I belive strongly that the writers on arena net are good at what they are doing and they will do a great job on the story!

This is for arena net: Great work! Looking forward to the future! :^)

I’d think if there was any dragon-fight for him to get involved in, it would be this one. Better now and take the opportunity so once this threat is over we can hop into the next Season focusing on Prim, Jorm, or Kral.

No Capes !!!

Err .. No Trahearne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU9H7zaD6zs

Ronin.7381:

I’d think if there was any dragon-fight for him to get involved in, it would be this one. Better now and take the opportunity so once this threat is over we can hop into the next Season focusing on Prim, Jorm, or Kral.

Him to get involved and pull a self-sacrifice to get him out of the story while giving us a reason to step into the leadership position?

I really think Trahearne is more interesting than Kasmeer and Marjory, i mean c’mon this is not my little pony please, and even though Trahearne was a coward that stole your pride, the conversations with him are FAR better than the 2 bimbos, i felt atleast more involved with him in the story.

magister sieran.. sob.. sniff..

I’m not even sure i killed Zhaitan… there were 5 of us on that ship and 3 cannons from which shoot at him. Was I on one of those? Or was I cleaning the trash from the deck? I wonder if I stole my friends credit…

Trahearne never steals credit, he makes it out to be a group effort (even though most of the time the groups is downed and the PC is the only one actually beating up the badguys).

And be glad he’s the leader of the pact, imagine all that boring paperwork he does for you