Guild Wars 2

Here’s my theory of season two.

Mai Trin decides to attack the Zephirites to steal all the goodies they’re flying away with (after all, she’s the sky pirates captain) in the process of looting the sanctum she discovers that the secret behind the Zephirs powerful magic is the remains of a Dragon.

Fueled by hunger for power Mai Trin decides to go after Mordremoth to kill him and claim his remains infusing herself and her sky pirates with magical power beyond anything they could imagine and it’s up to us to stop her from doing this and Mordremoth himself at the same time from destroying anything he might be heading towards.

Chrispy.5641:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

pretty much /thread right there

How’s it the end of the thread? All the ‘lore master’ did was regurgitate stuff that Kiel supporters have been saying for months now. Stuff that isn’t exactly painting the truth either.

I want to see evidence that Evon was not warning Lion’s Arch for months on end of another attack, even before Kiel got her so called evidence.

I also want to see supporting evidence that the explosions in the trailer weren’t from the inside. I doubt that Anet got so excited for that trailer that they forgot to add rocket trails behind the invisible missiles just so we would spend a week speculating in the wrong direction.

Actually in that first post of mine I was only spouting facts. At least, facts as to how ArenaNet presented them to us – mostly through Kiel’s words, or Magnus/Marjory/Kasmeer in some cases.

The fun fact about it all is that I am neither a Kiel nor Evon supporter, though in all honesty I was hoping Evon would win because I thought he’d be more interesting a captain because he’s clearly not a goodie-goodie.

I never said Evon wasn’t warning LA, so I’m not sure why you bother bringing that up. He was, but in the standard raving lunatic slash doomsayer fashion (which gets folks no where). He could have easily used his company’s excess fortunes to buff of Lion’s Arch even without being on the council – but did he? Nope.

And I have been saying that the explosions were on the inside (just not in this thread) – it’s pretty obvious they were from the inside. The second post was purely in jest, making fun of (or with depending on how serious the OP was) the OP in the ridiculousness fashion.

I’m pleased to see such a well reasoned and fact-driven theory put forward. Clearly Evon Gnashblade would never have let this happen to the Zephyrites.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I’m pleased to see such a well reasoned and fact-driven theory put forward. Clearly Evon Gnashblade would never have let this happen to the Zephyrites.

If only because it might, somehow, come back to have eyes on him.

And we all know he doesn’t want that until he finishes the shakedown for Black Lion Keys this season.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

I’m pleased to see such a well reasoned and fact-driven theory put forward. Clearly Evon Gnashblade would never have let this happen to the Zephyrites.

Of course not he would have given them captured aitherblade ships. For a coast of course to rebuild lions arch. A true merchant knows the value of an escort

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Chrispy.5641:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

pretty much /thread right there

How’s it the end of the thread? All the ‘lore master’ did was regurgitate stuff that Kiel supporters have been saying for months now. Stuff that isn’t exactly painting the truth either.

I want to see evidence that Evon was not warning Lion’s Arch for months on end of another attack, even before Kiel got her so called evidence.

I also want to see supporting evidence that the explosions in the trailer weren’t from the inside. I doubt that Anet got so excited for that trailer that they forgot to add rocket trails behind the invisible missiles just so we would spend a week speculating in the wrong direction.

Actually in that first post of mine I was only spouting facts. At least, facts as to how ArenaNet presented them to us – mostly through Kiel’s words, or Magnus/Marjory/Kasmeer in some cases.

The fun fact about it all is that I am neither a Kiel nor Evon supporter, though in all honesty I was hoping Evon would win because I thought he’d be more interesting a captain because he’s clearly not a goodie-goodie.

I never said Evon wasn’t warning LA, so I’m not sure why you bother bringing that up. He was, but in the standard raving lunatic slash doomsayer fashion (which gets folks no where). He could have easily used his company’s excess fortunes to buff of Lion’s Arch even without being on the council – but did he? Nope.

And I have been saying that the explosions were on the inside (just not in this thread) – it’s pretty obvious they were from the inside. The second post was purely in jest, making fun of (or with depending on how serious the OP was) the OP in the ridiculousness fashion.

How is it that in your first post you were only spouting facts (and in that first post you were questioning whether or not the explosions came from the inside), but three paragraphs later you’ve been saying the explosions were on the inside*. So, which of those two statements is fact? It can’t be both.

And we all know that Evon is unimaginably rich, but, doesn’t the Captain’s Council have unimaginably rich people of their own that didn’t do anything before the city was attacked, and also didn’t really do all that much while we were taking the city back? Why should Evon have spent the resources to protect a city that doesn’t want to protect itself? Again, I say that Lion’s Arch had exactly what was coming to them in the worst possible way!

Chrispy, my first post:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Think about it, who was responsible for Lion’s Arch being destroyed? Kiel.

I’m not seeing this. Kiel was the one warning the Captain’s Council once evidence of the attack was delivered. While we were told that should Evon have been elected LA would have stood a better chance, it isn’t Kiel’s fault that LA was unprepared but the rest of the Captain’s Council.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Now who was responsible for organizing the trade agreement, only to have the cargo filled with explosives? Kiel.

Who said that the explosives came from the cargo?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Who benefits from the money raised by the Zephyrites to rebuild LA? Kiel.

All of Lion’s Arch, rather than just Kiel.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Now that all the money was transferred to the Captain’s Council, she had no further need for them, so she blew up the airship, ala the Consortium ship in Southsun Cove’s LS.

She blew up a ship that had no one on board and in turn destroyed a bunch of paper contracts that kept refugees effective prisoners on an island full of hostiles.

Not exactly close to how you’re painting it.

Where do I twist facts here? Because I’ve stated everything as presented to us players by the game (Kiel warned the Council of the impending attack after A Study in Scarlet, but they did nothing; she blew up the Consortium Ship, but ensured no one was on it other than the contracts; and all of LA benefits from the festival, not just Kiel).

Where do I say the explosions were from the outside? The only thing about the explosions I said is this:

“Who said that the explosives came from the cargo?”

This does not indicate external or internal explosions, just whether or not it was the cargo that held the explosives. That is a HUGE difference. I never denied they were on the inside, just from where inside.

In my following post I made a joke about how Evon’s the criminal, but that post was a joke. The first one was not.

Chrispy.5641:

And we all know that Evon is unimaginably rich, but, doesn’t the Captain’s Council have unimaginably rich people of their own that didn’t do anything before the city was attacked, and also didn’t really do all that much while we were taking the city back? Why should Evon have spent the resources to protect a city that doesn’t want to protect itself? Again, I say that Lion’s Arch had exactly what was coming to them in the worst possible way!

If he’s such the good guy that folks enjoy painting him as, then he would do things for the better good even at his own expense. Just because the leaders don’t believe in threats doesn’t mean that the rest of the city shouldn’t defend himself. In defending Lion’s Arch he’s defending his own trading company as well. But he didn’t even do that – the only thing he did for his company was high tail it out of there and then cut off that escape route that others were using.

Whether or not LA had it coming to them is debatable, but Evon isn’t guilt free. If he knew the attack was coming, he should have done more than rave like a doomsayer. If anything, that makes people more certain that an attack won’t be coming. He didn’t even do anything to help his own freakin’ hide even though he “knew” Scarlet was going to attack.

Chances are, he was just blowing hot smoke trying to defame Kiel, and never thought that his words would become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Oh, and you’re wrong about hte Captain’s Council not doing anything. While half were directing the refugee camps, Peter and Shud was out there helping people escape, while Magnus and Kiel were fighting the enemies off. Peter didn’t even manage to escape before the miasma thickened (but luckily found a place to hide and survive). They all were working to help folks… except Evon. They weren’t all fighting, but there’s more to do than fighting when you have an evacuation and refugee situation going on. Management is more important, arguably. And that’s what the Captain’s Council did after realizing they were wrong to dismiss Kiel.

1). Its kind of hilarious reading your defense. I never said you were twisting facts, but perhaps you were unaware of what you posted several days ago?

2). Also, whether its an airship or watership, cargo is generally inside the ship, not hanging around on the outside, especially on a long trip like the Zephyrites were on. If the explosions didn’t come from the cargo, then that means that there were easily visible bombs laying around. When we say Cargo, we are inferring that the explosion came from the inside, and were hidden. You questioning whether or not it was the cargo means you were also questioning whether or not the explosion came from the inside, and if you weren’t, you are stating that the Zephyrites are pretty dumb people and just let the mysterious, clearly visible bombs sit where they were.

3). Evon wasn’t doing nothing. He was helping! I made a lot of gold from Lion’s Arch being attacked! If he hadn’t kept the Trading post up and operating during that crisis, then the economy of Tyria would have crumbled, not just Lion’s Arch. That’s a lot on your plate besides one little city.

You spoke about management during a crisis, and Evon was able to keep management of his company going, even during that crisis, even after being forcibly deputized by Kiel who doesn’t know a kitten thing about economics to know that Evon was helping. If Evon didn’t, then who knows what could have happened? There would be no money to buy any weapons, armors, consumables, or anything, and we all would have been horribly ill-equipped to take the city back! Scarlet could still be alive, and who knows what other evil plans she had! Cash and industrial power is what determines the outcome of a war. Tactics is third on the list. Economic incentive is fourth (personal or national). Pure hearted heroics and willpower is ninth and tenth, and don’t make much of a difference.

You don’t need to be in there fighting Scarlet’s armies or tending to wounded refugees to make a difference. Just keeping his company operating probably made the biggest impact (as far as economics go) in taking Lion’s Arch back! The best thing he could have done before the crisis was just keep his company managed as usual to prevent fear of an impending attack on the city, and crashing the economy as a result, which would affect a lot more people than just those ‘ex-pirates’ of Lion’s Arch (that deserve to die for thinking that their city was immune to attacks…..after being attacked three times in a year before that!)

Thanks Kielbama!

Chrispy.5641:

1). Its kind of hilarious reading your defense. I never said you were twisting facts, but perhaps you were unaware of what you posted several days ago?

And thus I quote ye!

“All the ‘lore master’ did was regurgitate stuff that Kiel supporters have been saying for months now. Stuff that isn’t exactly painting the truth either.”

You don’t say “twisting facts” word for word, but by saying that what I’m saying isn’t ‘painting the truth’ then you’re saying I’m not telling facts (which are objective truths). Ergo, to say I’m not telling the truth is akin to saying I’m twisting facts.

Chrispy.5641:

2). Also, whether its an airship or watership, cargo is generally inside the ship, not hanging around on the outside, especially on a long trip like the Zephyrites were on. If the explosions didn’t come from the cargo, then that means that there were easily visible bombs laying around. When we say Cargo, we are inferring that the explosion came from the inside, and were hidden. You questioning whether or not it was the cargo means you were also questioning whether or not the explosion came from the inside, and if you weren’t, you are stating that the Zephyrites are pretty dumb people and just let the mysterious, clearly visible bombs sit where they were.

So…. there’s nothing except cargo on the ship?

And that cargo is strewn all across the ship, and even on another ship (two ships explose), even near the edges?

Righto buddyboyo.

Saying that explosions came from cargo loaded from Lion’s Arch doesn’t mean “explosions came from inside the ship” it means “explosions came from the cargo loaded from Lion’s Arch” and that’s what Smooth Penguin said. Cargo is usually handled in a single location on a ship – the cargo hold (hence the name!) and is unpacked or kept packed depending on what is the said cargo. It could have been placed on the ship via cargo, but once it is taken out of cargo, it is no longer such – otherwise your bunk bed, your cloths you’re wearing, is cargo. It’s nitpickery at that point, but it is a very important distinction when you’re claiming “the explosions came from the cargo” because that line implies that they came from a singular location. And they weren’t. They were strewn about the ship. That’s not cargo.

And since they were strewn about the ship, either those explosions look like everyday items, or more likely there is an actual saboteur who moved the explosives across the ship without anyone noticing.

It may not seem like much, but it is a VERY important difference to make.

Chrispy.5641:

3). Evon wasn’t doing nothing. He was helping! I made a lot of gold from Lion’s Arch being attacked! If he hadn’t kept the Trading post up and operating during that crisis, then the economy of Tyria would have crumbled, not just Lion’s Arch. That’s a lot on your plate besides one little city.

-snip rest-

You realize that’s purely mechanics because they couldn’t stop the players’ “economy” and sole source of trading with other players for a full month (or more, given the rebuilding speed), right?

Yes, Evon was able to manage his company in the crisi… that’s why Evon was repeatedly saying his company is in shambles.

And don’t try to play off the idea that Evon is the only source of money in all of Tyria. He runs a huge company, but it’s not the only company, let alone only money source. Even Lion’s Arch had a series of other merchants running the show, and they’re only going bankrupt because of Kiel making Evon a quartermaster during the crisis.

Which goes to my point: Evon wouldn’t have done anything to help with the war effort if not for Kiel forcing him to. And even then, all he did in the lore of the game was supply the Lionguard. All that stuff about player trading has yet to be established in the lore of the game beyond “generic adventurers use the services”. And that held no standing established during the Battle for Lion’s Arch.

And for the record, keeping his company running only truly helped in kicking out all other merchants from the city. He just made himself a likely monopoly. Those he supplied weren’t the ones who felled Scarlet in the end.

For someone saying that I didn’t “paint the truth” – you sure as heck aren’t.

You really think the animators were worried about whether to make the explosions look like they could have been realistically concealed?

I doubt they were expecting a forensic examination. They weren’t thinking that they better make the explosions good enough to fool CSI.

They just blew some kitten up, to make a good video.

One day Evon will be restored to his rightful place and that evil witch Kiel will be cast down into the depths of the fiery abyss.

Maybe the Zephyrite flying city will drop on her, or something – wizard of oz style.

Dang, take a deep breath ‘buddyboyo’.

1). Yeah you know what, you’re right. You are twisting the truth, because there is obviously no such thing as omission of the truth or not telling the whole truth. There is truth in your words, just not all of it.

2). Cargo – Goods carried on a ship, aircraft, or motor vehicle.

That doesn’t signify a singular location. Even a (cargo)hold is just a place where cargo is held. It doesn’t mean there’s only one location.

Also, Multiple ships, multiple holds. Even the small ships will have areas for cargo and supplies in case a storm separates them from the rest of the fleet. They can’t have all their food and supplies on one big ship in one big area.

Another important factor is the design of the ships. The design of some of the ships wont allow for one singular cargo location even on the larger ships, (and even real world ships and planes separate multiple holds holding cargo.)

That VERY important difference you are trying to make doesn’t really seem that important.

3). You’re right. He said that his business was in tatters….once.

Riesty.9075:

some good news for you mr penguin

we never ever have to vote again
why? because china release
if they vote different arenanet have this 2 different content/client it is to riski
and they don t whant this
so if we get a vote or something the only different is the talking npc at the end
maybe with small changes in his word

you never have to face a voting lose again evon train dude
is this good ot not?

Actually Anet have quoted that they want to do more player interaction similar to the evon/kiel vote in the future and that was one of their big highlights from season 1.

Considering that the chinese client will be handled by Kongzhong, and that everything will be localised (v/o) and all, its entirely possible that in 2 years time we could look back and see two versions of the same game with two different stories (or at least major plotline characters). Anet makes the creative decisions, kongzhong do all the monkey work.

The two clients already have major differences as it is, Its not out of the realms of possibility (in fact id say its likely) that the LS will be different in each version as well.

Think of it like this, the chinese version is just another part of the franchise. Similar to macdonalds or any other big chain you can think of. Each restaurant can have different layouts/staff/policies while the brand and theme are consistent.

EDIT: To keep on topic, id say itd be a crying shame if anet didnt do a vote like this in the distant future… Look at the impact its made on the community, its amazing to see someone talking so much kitten based on a connection with a in game character. I bet anet devs read this to remind them that season 1 wasnt that kittenome people make out in terms of MMO innovation.

I should think the truth would be obvious by now.

Before Councillor Ellen Kiel underwent a sex change (ostensibly a lifestyle choice, but more likely a means of covering “her” trail), she was a man named Elim Kiel. Does that name seem suspicious? It should.

“Elim Kiel” is an anagram for “Like Lime.”

Keep up, folks.

Mr. Kiel took his appellation as a nod to his penchant for limes. Of course we all know that limes originate in Persia, and thus lead us to the Persian Empire. Specifically, the Achaemenid Empire of 550-330 BC. Founded by Cyrus the Great, the Empire’s capital was established in Pasargadae, near modern Shiraz, Iran.

You know where this is going.

In Pasargadae was the mighty fortress, Toll-e Takht, a seat of Cyrus’s power. You might even call it a…. praiseworthy castle?

Eeeeh?
Eeeeeeeeh?

Do I have to spell it ALL out? “Praiseworthy castle” is a rough translation of…

SHIRO TAGACHI!!!!!

He’s back, he’s worked his way onto the council, and he’s using his power to sabotage the Zephyrites in order to prevent us from accessing Cantha! Meanwhile, he’s building a private super-ship to take him across to wreak his vengeance!!!! IT’S SO CLEAR!

We’re going to need a strong, savvy leader to organize the transport of the millions of heroes of Tyria to end the Embargo in Cantha and save the world! We need Evon Gnashblade in LS2!

U get what u voted and u vote with how much brain u have

What if zepherite ship falls and hits the wizard city in kessic hills. ill edit latter.

HyruleanHyroe.1473:

I should think the truth would be obvious by now.

Before Councillor Ellen Kiel underwent a sex change (ostensibly a lifestyle choice, but more likely a means of covering “her” trail), she was a man named Elim Kiel. Does that name seem suspicious? It should.

“Elim Kiel” is an anagram for “Like Lime.”

Keep up, folks.

Mr. Kiel took his appellation as a nod to his penchant for limes. Of course we all know that limes originate in Persia, and thus lead us to the Persian Empire. Specifically, the Achaemenid Empire of 550-330 BC. Founded by Cyrus the Great, the Empire’s capital was established in Pasargadae, near modern Shiraz, Iran.

You know where this is going.

In Pasargadae was the mighty fortress, Toll-e Takht, a seat of Cyrus’s power. You might even call it a…. praiseworthy castle?

Eeeeh?
Eeeeeeeeh?

Do I have to spell it ALL out? “Praiseworthy castle” is a rough translation of…

SHIRO TAGACHI!!!!!

He’s back, he’s worked his way onto the council, and he’s using his power to sabotage the Zephyrites in order to prevent us from accessing Cantha! Meanwhile, he’s building a private super-ship to take him across to wreak his vengeance!!!! IT’S SO CLEAR!

We’re going to need a strong, savvy leader to organize the transport of the millions of heroes of Tyria to end the Embargo in Cantha and save the world! We need Evon Gnashblade in LS2!

You just won the internet, my dear sir!

zwierz.9012:

HyruleanHyroe.1473:

I should think the truth would be obvious by now.

Before Councillor Ellen Kiel underwent a sex change (ostensibly a lifestyle choice, but more likely a means of covering “her” trail), she was a man named Elim Kiel. Does that name seem suspicious? It should.

“Elim Kiel” is an anagram for “Like Lime.”

Keep up, folks.

Mr. Kiel took his appellation as a nod to his penchant for limes. Of course we all know that limes originate in Persia, and thus lead us to the Persian Empire. Specifically, the Achaemenid Empire of 550-330 BC. Founded by Cyrus the Great, the Empire’s capital was established in Pasargadae, near modern Shiraz, Iran.

You know where this is going.

In Pasargadae was the mighty fortress, Toll-e Takht, a seat of Cyrus’s power. You might even call it a…. praiseworthy castle?

Eeeeh?
Eeeeeeeeh?

Do I have to spell it ALL out? “Praiseworthy castle” is a rough translation of…

SHIRO TAGACHI!!!!!

He’s back, he’s worked his way onto the council, and he’s using his power to sabotage the Zephyrites in order to prevent us from accessing Cantha! Meanwhile, he’s building a private super-ship to take him across to wreak his vengeance!!!! IT’S SO CLEAR!

We’re going to need a strong, savvy leader to organize the transport of the millions of heroes of Tyria to end the Embargo in Cantha and save the world! We need Evon Gnashblade in LS2!

You just won the internet, my dear sir!

All that, and no Half-life 3 confirmed? My good man, you’ve only reached level 2 of the internet. You need to get bigger with your words, have more crazy ideas, create more intricate theories than the inner workings of the 75,000 page U.S tax code. Then, maybe then, will you win the internet.

(also, any theory that has Evon coming out on top is alright by me! Its just not internet winning worthy!)

Chrispy.5641:

All that, and no Half-life 3 confirmed? My good man, you’ve only reached level 2 of the internet. You need to get bigger with your words, have more crazy ideas, create more intricate theories than the inner workings of the 75,000 page U.S tax code. Then, maybe then, will you win the internet.

(also, any theory that has Evon coming out on top is alright by me! Its just not internet winning worthy!)

Can’t confirm Half-life 3, we haven’t reached the third page of posts yet!

Nope – Job-o-tron/hobo-tron/hero-tron was hacked!

Calys Teneb.7015:

So the running joke on the forums is that Smooth is an Evon shill. Every now and then he’ll write one of these theories to continue the joke, it’s just been a while since he’s had any material to work with.

The problem is that as a joke wears thing, it stops being funny and it becomes annoying

OmaiGodman.2098:

Calys Teneb.7015:

So the running joke on the forums is that Smooth is an Evon shill. Every now and then he’ll write one of these theories to continue the joke, it’s just been a while since he’s had any material to work with.

The problem is that as a joke wears thing, it stops being funny and it becomes annoying

Don’t read the threads then.

EDIT: that came off harsher than intended – let me add this bit: We all knew before clicking on the thread title what was coming, given it was SmoothPenguin and the inflammatory title.

I think it’s more immersing than the in-game election itself was when folks continue the rivalry into the forum.

KarateKid.5648:

OmaiGodman.2098:

Calys Teneb.7015:

So the running joke on the forums is that Smooth is an Evon shill. Every now and then he’ll write one of these theories to continue the joke, it’s just been a while since he’s had any material to work with.

The problem is that as a joke wears thing, it stops being funny and it becomes annoying

Don’t read the threads then.

I think it’s more immersing than the in-game election itself was when folks continue the rivalry into the forum.

But the threads that follow tend to be interesting. Such a dilemma

OmaiGodman.2098:

KarateKid.5648:

OmaiGodman.2098:

Calys Teneb.7015:

So the running joke on the forums is that Smooth is an Evon shill. Every now and then he’ll write one of these theories to continue the joke, it’s just been a while since he’s had any material to work with.

The problem is that as a joke wears thing, it stops being funny and it becomes annoying

Don’t read the threads then.

I think it’s more immersing than the in-game election itself was when folks continue the rivalry into the forum.

But the threads themselves tend to be interesting. The joke’s just run thin.

Gotcha. HEY! that reminds me – what’s the term for Captain’s Council – if annual, why weren’t there more elections while the Zephyrites were here like last year?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Captain%27s_Council

Is it regularly-recurring? Or does someone have to call for re-election (setting up SmoothPenguin, heheeh).

To be honest I think there should be an independent research and trial concerning the facts that both Gnashblade and Kiel warned the captain’s council – and yet they did nothing until it was too late. I’d actually see Gnashblade and Kiel set their differences aside on this one to make sure the ones who are truly responsible for LA being such an easy target don’t get away with it.

It seems the consensus is that Ellen Kiel was responsible for this act of terror, or at the bare minimum, involved. So the question now is, “why would she go so far to betray good people?”

All I know is that if Evon was elected, not only would LA probably not have been destroyed, but he would have probably negotiated a way for us to hitch a ride on the airship to Cantha.

. . . keep trying, prinny, keep trying

I did it. Whoops, sorry guys. My bad.

takes a drink

KIelluminati..?