Guild Wars 2

Its all about keyboard set up. Default key binds are just bad and im not sure why mmos keep using this set up. Using the keyboard to turn your character is just bad compared to using the mouse. I have a few friends that cant complete certain jumping puzzles because they cant turn fast enough and the same reason they hate wvw. I tell them to change their key binds so A and D are there strafe keys and dont bind any keys for turning and use the right mouse button for turning. So far only 1 friend did and he’s loving it. Just took him a while to get use to it. Also have 1 friend that uses left and right mouse at same time to move forward thats even worse she cant even complete the easy jumping puzzles. So i hope this helps some people.

I use Left+Right mouse to move and my Left Side Button on the mouse to jump…no problems here. As a matter of fact, I hardly ever use the keyboard for movement other than to strafe now and then.

Different people, different play-styles. The default setup works fine for me.

Fiddlestyx.9714:

Different people, different play-styles. The default setup works fine for me.

Agreed, I use all the movement keys provided, especially in combat, as well as the mouse to do a sharp camera turns.

It’s not just keyboard set up. Some people just aren’t very good at jumping puzzles (no offense meant by that). My friend hates them, because he just cannot get the hang of them. He uses his mouse to look around and has space for jump, which is a reasonable key to use.

I don’t have a problem at all with jumping puzzles, but I do think some of the vistas need to be made easier. Not everyone can do JP’s, so it is a bit unfair to put vistas out of their reach IMO.

Rin.1046:

It’s not just keyboard set up. Some people just aren’t very good at jumping puzzles (no offense meant by that). My friend hates them, because he just cannot get the hang of them. He uses his mouse to look around and has space for jump, which is a reasonable key to use.

I don’t have a problem at all with jumping puzzles, but I do think some of the vistas need to be made easier. Not everyone can do JP’s, so it is a bit unfair to put vistas out of their reach IMO.

This. Also, some named areas are in the JPs, and if you can’t do the JP, then you don’t get the map credit. I can’t do most of the JPs because they make me dizzy and nacreous. This means I can never get 100% World Map completion.

does anyone know if ArenaNet is going to make it so you can bind a action to the scroll wheel up and down? example the button would be your elite skill and scrolling up would be swaping weapons and scrolling down would be swapping pets in a ranger class?

While it does come down to personal preference, it is a fact that the mouse gives superior control over the camera as opposed to a keyboard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sUKWeaXZeOY#t=55s

Also latency.

Seems obvious in WvW but a third of a second (wireless mouse, wifi, undersea cable, back, wifi, screen lag) when attempting to do an unforgiving JP is in fact VERY noticeable.

I’ve gathered some ghetto laptops from a few sources to try to work out things such as this (and the wah wah AOE blinded me) issue, but really anything built in the last 2yrs is well over the min actual spec.

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

This. Also, some named areas are in the JPs, and if you can’t do the JP, then you don’t get the map credit. I can’t do most of the JPs because they make me dizzy and nacreous. This means I can never get 100% World Map completion.

I’m pretty sure you still can get 100% world completion, the thing you’re reffering to is something different. Getting all named areas is a different achievement, like ‘’Maguuma Explorer’‘. Don’t think WvW maps count, just like dungeon maps

Wartna.8671:

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

This. Also, some named areas are in the JPs, and if you can’t do the JP, then you don’t get the map credit. I can’t do most of the JPs because they make me dizzy and nacreous. This means I can never get 100% World Map completion.

I’m pretty sure you still can get 100% world completion, the thing you’re reffering to is something different. Getting all named areas is a different achievement, like ‘’Maguuma Explorer’‘. Don’t think WvW maps count, just like dungeon maps

Unfortunately, at least 1 vista is located at the end of a jumping puzzle. So you literally must complete the puzzle in order to get 100% map completion. Also, the WvW maps do count, and they can be a real pain to complete.

I initially thought none of the vista’s were part of, or similar in difficulty to, jumping puzzles. As I am ok with them I never thought they were challenging. But I have since done some with my friend, to help guide him through them, and have discovered a few tricky to get vistas that he really struggles with, a couple of which he still has not done because it just frustrates him too much (which I don’t blame him). He would like to get 100% in each zone but he cannot because he cannot get these vista.

Whether it is latency, keybinding or just personal capability it not really relevant. What is relevant, and I think key as to why many people dislike JP’s, is that they are a necessary evil in order to get 100% in each zone. And as some zones can reward you with a couple of exotics, I can see why they would get frustrated.

Some jps are as a matter of fact required for certain vistas and even a skillpoint or two. Straits of devastation has a vista and a skillpoint on top of the viziers tower, which you in fact need to do a jp to reach. Dredgehaunt cliffs has a vista in the southwest part, which you basically need to do a jp to reach. Diessa plateu has a vista that you need to do a jp to reach (and there is also a skillpoint up there? dont remember).

Imo i think it’s more to do with the race they play.
for instance i can fly though most if not all on human,asua,sylvari.
but when it comes to the charr or norm,i tend to have probs and takes me much longer to complete the jp.

XxTAFxX.6741:

Imo i think it’s more to do with the race they play.
for instance i can fly though most if not all on human,asua,sylvari.
but when it comes to the charr or norm,i tend to have probs and takes me much longer to complete the jp.

Useful tip for you: Use a tonic to turn yourself into something smaller.

I haven’t found out what useful purpose turning your character around does. Even if you start to run/jump when your character is facing the camera, it still executes the movement just as well. Isn’t the default behavior of holding down right mouse button to turn the camera around?

w a s d and right mouse and left mouse space bar all used together all the time in different situation appropriate combinations. strafe, tight circle strafe, kite, run and look in any direction simultaniously, change direction in mid air while jumping.

the default keybinds are completely standard and very much like warhammeronline, rift, swtor and im sure others.

this game is completely designed to be played as i described above and you can feel it with the dodge system as it exists in game. double tap w a s or d for a situationally appropriate dodge.

once you really get a hang of it youll never go back and im sure others can verify what im saying on the subject.

I explained it once by saying that not playing like i described is like playing mortal combat on sega genesis only using two of the three buttons. sure you can “play” with just two of the three buttons and maybe you can even beat the computer too but you arent playing the game to its full potential.

sure some people will say that they like how they play and do just fine and more power to you if you do but you will never be a god in pvp and youll never be as good in pve as you could be if you sucked it up and learned how to use the “third button”

Wesley Of Florin.2150:

Wartna.8671:

Kitty La Boom Boom.4065:

This. Also, some named areas are in the JPs, and if you can’t do the JP, then you don’t get the map credit. I can’t do most of the JPs because they make me dizzy and nacreous. This means I can never get 100% World Map completion.

I’m pretty sure you still can get 100% world completion, the thing you’re reffering to is something different. Getting all named areas is a different achievement, like ‘’Maguuma Explorer’‘. Don’t think WvW maps count, just like dungeon maps

Unfortunately, at least 1 vista is located at the end of a jumping puzzle. So you literally must complete the puzzle in order to get 100% map completion. Also, the WvW maps do count, and they can be a real pain to complete.

sigh You don’t understand, i’m not saying WvW vista’s, PoI’s, etc don’t count for 100%. I’m saying getting all named places doesn’t count, by lack of better explanation, here an example: if you walk in a undiscovered, grey bit of a map, some words pop up and you get some experience. That are the areas i mean, that counts to another achievement. I thought Kitty was reffering to WvW JP’s only, my bad

I’ve got to do something with my keybinds. I play with the default setup (always have with MMOs) but it’s just not working. With Ranger as my main I’m using the F1-4 keys way too often to not remap them to something more convenient.

Another thing is that I usually use mouse-turning. However, I revert to being a skill-clicker for those hard to reach keys, so when I’m doing that I have to keyboard turn. It’s clunky & clumsy and I gotta stop.

Any suggestions for how to lay out a Ranger’s F1-4 actions or a gaming mouse that’s not too ridiculous? I don’t want a mouse with 20 buttons on it, then I’ll just be thumb dancing while maneuvering my character.

Seras.5702:

I’ve got to do something with my keybinds. I play with the default setup (always have with MMOs) but it’s just not working. With Ranger as my main I’m using the F1-4 keys way too often to not remap them to something more convenient.

Another thing is that I usually use mouse-turning. However, I revert to being a skill-clicker for those hard to reach keys, so when I’m doing that I have to keyboard turn. It’s clunky & clumsy and I gotta stop.

Any suggestions for how to lay out a Ranger’s F1-4 actions or a gaming mouse that’s not too ridiculous? I don’t want a mouse with 20 buttons on it, then I’ll just be thumb dancing while maneuvering my character.

Same for me, with mesmer as my main. I’ve re-mapped my 9 skill to the auxilliary thumb button on my mouse, and that helped my game play immensely. 6 I can usually reach just fine and 0 I don’t mind clicking on. That leaves 7 and 8 for me to figure out. I tried a complete re-map once, but that felt very awkward and I’m not willing to put in the time to learn a brand new setup.

The only other modification I made from the default setup was to bind ‘x’ to look behind. I find this very useful, particularly when soloing a camp in wvwvw when I want to watch for someone sneaking up behind me.

blanketfreak.8913:

Its all about keyboard set up. Default key binds are just bad and im not sure why mmos keep using this set up. Using the keyboard to turn your character is just bad compared to using the mouse. I have a few friends that cant complete certain jumping puzzles because they cant turn fast enough and the same reason they hate wvw. I tell them to change their key binds so A and D are there strafe keys and dont bind any keys for turning and use the right mouse button for turning. So far only 1 friend did and he’s loving it. Just took him a while to get use to it. Also have 1 friend that uses left and right mouse at same time to move forward thats even worse she cant even complete the easy jumping puzzles. So i hope this helps some people.

ain’t nothing wrong with wasd.

Eirikr.8047:

The only other modification I made from the default setup was to bind ‘x’ to look behind. I find this very useful, particularly when soloing a camp in wvwvw when I want to watch for someone sneaking up behind me.

I did this too. Comes in handy for me with using the Ranger 1h sword for mobility.

I’m thinking about making my A D straif keys & then Q E R T can be 6 7 8 9.

Hmmm…..how to solve the F1-4 problem. I think ALT+1-4. Anyone use this effectively?

Shift 1-4 for me. You use pinky for it which is not as useful, I use thumb for jump and I assume that’s what you would use for pressing alt. I dont see that working as well but I guess it could.

For puzzles, there should be no camera or facing problems. Just hold right mouse button. Using A and D to turn is absolutely horrible. The only problems in jumping puzzles for anyone should be extreme EXTREME lag or just bad timing skills. I do jump puzzles as a norn and I find it pretty easy to use that character model.

While I don’t have trouble with most JPs, I do think that they shouldn’t put Vistas and Skill Challenges at the end of them.

As it stands at the moment, there’s a Skill Challenge in Straits of Devastation that requires the Vizier’s Tower JP, and Vistas in Diessa Plateau and Dredgehaunt Cliffs that both require JP completion too. Not really fair since JPs shouldn’t be ‘needed’ for 100% map completion.

Personally, I couldn’t conceive of doing a JP without using the mouse to steer. This goes way back to the days of Doom and Doom 2, where my roommate in university insisted he could beat me using a game-pad while I was using keyboard and mouse. Well, of course he was completely wrong. The mouse just gives you so much more fine-grained control that someone using a straight keyboard or even a good game controller can’t compete with. Now this only counts for movement. During a fight, of course, if the game has auto-targeting or snap-to-target (More common in console games), which requires less skill, IMO, it somewhat removes the need for fine-grained control. But, for the sheer control of movement and dodging, you cannot compete with keyboard and mouse.

Keep in mine though, the JPs that have “other” items at the end also tend to be easier puzzles. Vizier’s Tower and Tribulation Rift Scaffolding are prime examples. While not helping those who have height issues, one of my friends is like this, these are not difficult JPs compared to many of the others. Some of the vistas in Lornar’s Pass are way more difficult.

Not ideal, but here’s an idea. If it’s that much of an issue and you really need the point(s), ask/hire a mesmser to do it then teleport you up.

I use the mouse, but still have enough trouble trying to do jumping puzzles, that i do not do them. Some of the vistas were fun, but i had to first watch a video for many of them. As for WvW, since there not organized complete directions explaining it…i do not do that either. I followed the zergs when the game was new, but WvW still didnt make any sense to me. It was like a mini game running through a maze and being directed like mice.

blanketfreak.8913:

I tell them to change their key binds so A and D are there strafe keys and dont bind any keys for turning and use the right mouse button for turning.

Holding the right mouse button changes A and D into strafe. Seems as though they are not using the standard setup as intended.

It took me weeks to convince a friend to use +mlook in quake. Sigh.

Seras.5702:

I’ve got to do something with my keybinds. I play with the default setup (always have with MMOs) but it’s just not working. With Ranger as my main I’m using the F1-4 keys way too often to not remap them to something more convenient.

Another thing is that I usually use mouse-turning. However, I revert to being a skill-clicker for those hard to reach keys, so when I’m doing that I have to keyboard turn. It’s clunky & clumsy and I gotta stop.

Any suggestions for how to lay out a Ranger’s F1-4 actions or a gaming mouse that’s not too ridiculous? I don’t want a mouse with 20 buttons on it, then I’ll just be thumb dancing while maneuvering my character.

I was having trouble with this too. I swapped F1-4 with regular 1-4 keys in keybinding options, then mapped my Logitech G600 gaming mouse to F1-4 and regular 5-9 keys. This allows me to access all my skills with my right thumb but I only have to reach up to the 1-4 keys with my left hand on the keyboard for my pet skills (or to change attunements on my ele). Hope that makes sense!