Guild Wars 2

IF YOU SOLO QUEUE.

It was ok when solo queue had its dedicated queue but today – with the high possibility going against premades AND a totally messed up matchmaking system that is racist to high MMR people – I will say to you all the profanity known to mankind if you expect a pure solo queue player to have a 50% win rate.

A fair win-ratio is between 40-45%.

Anything higher than 45% win as a solo queue player is doing very well.

MAYBE it’s possible if you are not a high MMR player and are always teamed up with the group that has the pre-determined advantage. OR you have played less than 50 games like me on this noob EU acct.

Now, if you are always queued in a team – YOU BETTER DARN HAVE A WIN RATIO OF 65% or higher. If below that, you are pathetic.

/end rant

I still love you all

i think i have 50-65% win ratio in solo queue, both ranked and unranked.

Seems like a l2p issue.
everyone believes that one has a high MMR, if you have such a low ratio, maybe you are the problem?

“racist to high MMR people” – I beg your pardon??

60 something % solo queuing ranked here.

Edit: 63% since launch on my main, mostly solo queue.

Wait… the matchmaking system is racist? No wonder it’s been keeping me unemployed and in poverty!

eh why not trying dd cele ele, taunt ranger? sure you can have 60%+ winrate

we will see what happens once that supposed mmr bug gets fixed

OP doesn’t have l2p issue, the problem IS there for high mmr players qing alone

it gets really obvious if you make new account and get 100+ wins with high win rate (90% in my case);
the wall is simply insane:
- you win few games, having ok matches, maybe even lopsided where you just 500-10 other team
- then game decides ok, your win rate is too high, let’t get it down a bit
- you get bunch of games in a row where 3 of your teammates get constantly soloed by 1 guy that you can easily 100-0…. and 4th is too busy farming animal/buffs all game
i honestly was thinking to start to record such games, it is sometimes beyond hilarious
example: in one of such amazing games i managed to solo 2 enemy medi guards on thief (yes, on thief) while my team struggled to even cap one point w/o wiping xD

I think what he’s saying is 100% true except the racist part.

Assume Pug vs Pug win rate = 50%.
Assume Pug vs Premade win rate = 35%

Regardless of your mix of pug vs pug or pug vs premade, you will always come out to a weighted average < 50%.

I guess there is validity to OP’s rant.

First test ladder season rank and win ratio. I didn’t participate in the second test ladder coz it literally became a grind fest.

All I can say is that I was not the highest MMR person between the 2 teams. The bug Evan Lesh discovered was alive and well.

I’ve noticed in these matches that there was a player I absolutely know who is much more skilled than I am (do I get props for my honesty?) and they were on the opposing team with super noobie teammates.

51% rip
I think it’s because I lose all motivation against 4-5 bunkers every queue, I’ve noticed I fall asleep on my keyboard more often now.

The amount of people on these forums who don’t even have proper command of basic English is quite abhorrent.

" racist to high MMR people" lol.

This is true and this is because matchmaking fails to match roster size properly.

So people who join in 3+ and are decent will have always a better win/ratio than soloer.

This is the first issue when you share soloer and premade in the same queue.

abc so mellow I didn’t know he could rant.

50% win/loss ratio was a fair baseline expectation when solo queue was independent.

Now that it no longer exists, you’d have to be militant and masochistic, which I am not, to expect a 50% baseline from solo queuing. Especially now that matchmaking bugs are confirmed.

We’ve been playing a bugged game for a long time now. I think anet should reward those that got hit the hardest with a minimum of 150 winning streak matches

Prolly wont happen but I’ll be just as happy if they fix the bugs.

online.1278:

eh why not trying dd cele ele, taunt ranger? sure you can have 60%+ winrate

Wow, had no idea ranger spvp is in the ultra meta like a DD cele ele. Sweet.

I wouldn’t consider myself an exceptional player in any way yet I’ve managed to maintain an over 50% win rate in unranked and ranked, I soloq 90% of the time. Your saying I’m either an anomaly or better than I think.

Reikou.7068:

The amount of people on these forums who don’t even have proper command of basic English is quite abhorrent.

" racist to high MMR people" lol.

hi long time no see you always ignore me though lol

I have 60% on my thief solo queue. Some pug groups are good enough to beat bad premades, always remember that when playing.
Try to communicate strategy atleast a little before the game starts, and ping / draw with the minimap about stuff.

Hey there, I solo queue ranked and I think my MMR is pretty OK (It’s hard to say). Anyhow, my win rate is right around 50%. I find most of the fights pretty entertaining.

I think if you queue Ranked, with a good team, for several matches, then go back to soloing, you may get paired up with dungeon masters, and um, Golden—I know not pvp—bunny rabkittenamps. If you know what I mean. This seems to happen until you get back to around 50%.

This may not be how it works, but I always seem to get put into several really tough matches after a good win streak.

I LOL’d as well at the racist reference. I actually enjoy abc’s posts due to his eccentricity. I’m sure he was only trying to be “clever” and prolly meant the system doesn’t favor high MMR solo queue players.

I solo queued during the second test ladder season. It felt like about half of my losses came from 4v5 and totally mismatched matchmaking. Managed to end the test ladder at slightly above 50%. It was unreal how I hustled going between home and mid and engaging in many 1v2 encounters while my teammates were quadruple capping.

online, archon, pimsley, nexed, eurantien, abc secret na acct – I’ve had the pleasure of fighting amongst them and the displeasure of fighting against them.

Very solid pvpers, be glad if they end up in your NA team.

D I V A.6018:

Seems like a l2p issue.
everyone believes that one has a high MMR, if you have such a low ratio, maybe you are the problem?

“racist to high MMR people” – I beg your pardon??

I agree. Can you teach him a lesson and invite him to a duel? I believe he’s an EU scrub

55% for me. I have a bad case of often feeling like I’m a better player than my allies. In some cases thats true, not even trying to be arrogant about it. Sometimes I just get teams that send 3 to home point or don’t know how to defend the gates in Stronghold.

My ratio is 57%. Guess I’m better than most (see what I did there)

http://gw2pvpstats.com/overview.html?api-key=6B90F9C6-2166-D940-B5D8-197E94666567808776C1-259F-465C-B80C-9399C2C59A2B

I do not pay with premades with this account. Everything you see there is full solo queue.

Ps: Still working on the website so please excuse the non functional tabs.

Except when you queue as a team you are signficantly more likely to face another team, so that way it evens out at 50% win rate.

A match rating system is broken if everyone can’t obtain 50% win rate. That’s the goal of every system. If you’re getting more than 50% win rate, then that suggests the system is broken or you’re better than most people and don’t play enough to maintain a high rank in the leaderboard.

I’ve won my last 10 in a row solo. At least 2 of those were against premades. 53% overall. All were after solo queue was removed.

Personally, I think 40-60% win ratio is perfect, regardless of your skill level. assuming the MMR is working correctly, you should be matched up against people of equal skill to you, leading to a 50% win ratio (a bit higher if you are improving, and a bit lower if you’re not doing well)

The only problem I see with pvp matchmaking right now is people AFK-ing, toxic attitudes, and lopsided matches. however none of that has to do with your winrate.

And hopefully when the league system comes out, we can see even fairer fights and more people will actually realize how good they are (though I wouldnt be surprised if people still blame teammates if they stay in lower tiers)

The whole 50% thing is still terrible. Where is my sense of progress if the system is actively trying to prevent me from winning? Not to mention it feels like bogus in the first place. What’s that, you won a game? Here, have a bunch of level 30s to ensure you lose the next one. I’d mind less if it did not feel like the system was trying to defeat the player.

I have 62-65%, it depend to much on the people you end up with and also the combination of the profs. In the end it doesnt matter what % you have, its not adequate.

Solo Q mostly here. I’m losing so much and no matter how flawless I play, I always end up with teammates who have no idea what they are doing. Then from clear sky I’m granted a team that is not half bad and I win by a hairtread.
Maybe its because I play my engineer. To be honest , everything counters the engineer right now. Full zerks with tons of utility outshines the poor engie. And condi just wreck.

Im with 50% win rate 100% solo q and I consider myself mediocre player so for me the matchmaking is perfect. Every time I get over 50% and its Saturday or Sunday the game gives me a chance to prove that im exceptional player by puting in my team 4 mobs.This always ends with me going back to the sweet 50%.

i am pretty sure of following:

When you all solo-ququed on ranked arena, if you get…

Winrate less than 50% : skill and build is worse than avg, need a lot of practice
Winrate between 50%~60% : good, normal player with any build
Winrare between 60%~70% : skilled player with proper build
Winrate more than 70% : the class or build he plays is completely & absolutely OP and his skill is also pro. Usually DD cele ele run by pro player belonged to this (in terms of previous mmr-based soloq leaderboard). Or just super-luck.

61% on mostly crit strikes thief. Might just play d/d ele until matchmaking isn’t aids.

I don’t know, I’ve never queued up with a premade team, I’ve always solo’d and I seem to be winning more than losing.

But either way, I don’t play with the intention of really beating the other team, I play to just play.

Cynz.9437:

we will see what happens once that supposed mmr bug gets fixed

OP doesn’t have l2p issue, the problem IS there for high mmr players qing alone

it gets really obvious if you make new account and get 100+ wins with high win rate (90% in my case);
the wall is simply insane:
- you win few games, having ok matches, maybe even lopsided where you just 500-10 other team
- then game decides ok, your win rate is too high, let’t get it down a bit
- you get bunch of games in a row where 3 of your teammates get constantly soloed by 1 guy that you can easily 100-0…. and 4th is too busy farming animal/buffs all game
i honestly was thinking to start to record such games, it is sometimes beyond hilarious
example: in one of such amazing games i managed to solo 2 enemy medi guards on thief (yes, on thief) while my team struggled to even cap one point w/o wiping xD

^ one of the best thieves in all of EU no joke mad pro teach me pls.

I pretty much been on and off again solo queuing Guardian for ages with a 60-70ish win rate since it was possible to solo que.

Now, I typically sit out pvp for awhile (usually a couple of weeks to month) when my teams start taking serious nose dives in skill consistently. (The indication my MMR is getting to high and it’s selecting much lower MMR party members to place against a more balanced opposition)

So I kinda game that problem.

Aren’t leagues suppose to help with this problem anyways?

Remades or not, you should be better than the other teams random. Focusing on what you can control is the only thing that will get your win % up. Yes there are games that from the start are setup to lose, and equally as many your set up to win.

50% is not unreasonable. I basically play only solo que (in fact when I do que with people we are worse off). I am not even really that good either and I am basically just under 50% stats wise

!http://i.imgur.com/9eelgoK.png!

Modesty aside, I win 200% of my gaymes.

That’s right, I win twice for every match I play.

53% and honestly I have never thought about this. I just play the match. I assume I will lose half because I am not some top rank player and I usually face the same people over and over. I figure if we are all around the same skill level (minus some outliers) I should lose half my matches. That seems fair to me. That being said I usually just go into each match and try to have a bit of fun and work toward achievements.

My other account has 58 wins for 138 games for a tiny bit more than a 42% win rate. My percentage dropped substancially last night, post patch vs rangers.

Yeah a 50% win rate would be lovely.. I had it once, briefly. The balance is too poor to expect fun win rates.

I came out of tonight wondering why I play a game that makes me feel so bad.

Chase.8415:

Except when you queue as a team you are signficantly more likely to face another team, so that way it evens out at 50% win rate.

A match rating system is broken if everyone can’t obtain 50% win rate. That’s the goal of every system. If you’re getting more than 50% win rate, then that suggests the system is broken or you’re better than most people and don’t play enough to maintain a high rank in the leaderboard.

Not really you are assuming there is an unlimited supply of players of every skill level at all times of day and that is balances out for everyone. What you are saying is sound in theory but in practice in a game like GW2 which has a smallish population spread out over different times of day its not going to happen. Many people end up well over 50% and some much lower.

I have a 61% win ratio and I mostly Solo q…
It’s not unreasonable..

abc.5790:

IF YOU SOLO QUEUE.

It was ok when solo queue had its dedicated queue but today – with the high possibility going against premades AND a totally messed up matchmaking system that is racist to high MMR people – I will say to you all the profanity known to mankind if you expect a pure solo queue player to have a 50% win rate.

A fair win-ratio is between 40-45%.

Anything higher than 45% win as a solo queue player is doing very well.

MAYBE it’s possible if you are not a high MMR player and are always teamed up with the group that has the pre-determined advantage. OR you have played less than 50 games like me on this noob EU acct.

Now, if you are always queued in a team – YOU BETTER DARN HAVE A WIN RATIO OF 65% or higher. If below that, you are pathetic.

/end rant

I still love you all

I must be a god I dont have a team and I have a 59% win ratio, now imagine if I was in a team I would win 75% of my games.

Mine is 49.55% in Unranked. However I don’t think this takes into account the previous versions of pvp such as the Solo unranked and tournament types that no longer exist.