Guild Wars 2

(zerk)DPS Guards are descent, but they get outshined now days. Why run one when you can get better results as a warrior? Seriously, they have more HP, more HPS, pratically the same damage as you, more CC/conditions and can remove conditions easier. It’s just way better to give it up for a guardian. Sure, it provides better support but if you roll into that, you are giving up on damage, meaning you didn’t need to go zerk in the first place.

I’m not saying they suck, in fact, it’s my favorite spec. But with warrios and necros stomping their way on pvp, there’s not much a DPS guard can do to counter those…

@EDIT
By the way, have you guys tested the Runes of Speed? It’s pretty fun and makes Judge’s Intervention dispensable for mobility

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all you absolutely wrong and LOL if you think scepter is anywhat viable at the top level as a dps guardian. I am not talkin about a support class. Im talking pure dps. Trust me I play at a high level and have been the only one for the past 7 months doing so besides one or 2. But that is besides the point. The builds I have been running, have worked consistently all the time. If you think you dont need any kind of points in radiance for spvp you are dead wrong. The main reason you should even go into radiance is for the blinds. Fury alone did not do much. I have always had the tools to be somewhat viable, and this has helped. But the fact is I have to allocate my traits to the same exact traits for most dps builds. The amount of damage we can do is not the issue but more our consistency of landing it without having to rely on judges. I stated that earlier. The fact that I have 3 up on my sword to burst a target down but cannot use it to burst someone whos at 20% is mind boggling. I have to wait for a cd I just used to help burst someone down. If I had some sort of chill or immob/cripple, this would not be an issue. All im really asking for is some sort of cc.

And you are the example of why dps guardians haven’t gotten love they need. People like you consistenly are blinded by something and think we are absolutley fine and that you know everything there is to know. Don’t even play it at a high level to know what is viable, and have the nerve to say just use “scepter and you will be fine.” That is a good one lol. I am not trying to come off arrogant or anything. I just want anet to stop being so relaxed when it comes to guardians being dps. If no top tier dps guardian complains and everyone else speaks for them like they did on the last state of the game(when there was no guardian present), stating guardians are fine, ofc Anet is going to overlook it. Its about time one of us actually says something because I am tired of it.

think whatever you want.

Scepter is a very solid weapon even in high level tPvP as long as you have 3.2k+ power, perma fury and that very good-almost istant-immo which is ethereal chain.

Sad story is that there are no more team left even here in EU so no one will experiment ( and even if somethign will be successful, they’ll bash it because "there’s no competition so you can run whatever you want " ).

They said wars were not viable, in NA Zone was still complaining about " not being sure if wars were fine or not" after all the buffs just to see wars roflstomping everything 1 month later ( and pax tournament right after).

You want to play with sword becase “ZEALOUT’S DEFENSE BUUUUUURST HAAAARD” altough standing still and not moving while your opponent simply walks away ( and then of course you complian you have no movement impairment CCs) while you could have used Scepter till you close the range for the immo, then unleash the whole burst combo with the GS.

You want to keep the sword because it has the most damaging AA chain in guardian set up without caring that you do not have anything to stick your target to ( and complain you have no movement impairment CCs) instead of bringing a reliable source of damage like scepter, also having ( again) that good immo you so badly desire.

Again, a 30 zeal point build, with perma fury on, will let your orb of wrath hit up to 2K DAMAGE per orb on squishies.

You have the build, you can play it. Of course you need to make trade offs ( in this case, radiance blinds), but the goods outweight the bads BY FAR.

Again, i say DPS guards will be the meta soon.

you can think wahtever you want, we’ll see in the near future who will be right .

MrBig, do you even play a guardian?

You should try it out before making a lot of claims. I avoid making claims about other classes unless I have first hand experience with them. Otherwise I am just blowing hot air with no real substance.

The scepter immobilize is called chains of light (not ethereal chains), smite splits damage between multiple targets within it, and does not land all 15 hits, making the effective damage of it much lower, and the auto attack orb of wrath can be outrun and strafed, making it easily avoided.

the BEST reason to bring scepter is for team play honestly. Immobilizing a target for your team mates to set up burst can be devastating.

We have videos of people out running their own orb of light because of how slow it is.
There was a post by devs months ago saying they would look into it and agreed that orb of light was broken, but there hasn’t been a fix, even with other professions getting projectile speed increases.

The fury on meditations was not really an amazing fix for guardians. If you are going down meditations anyway, a lot of guards build into radiance and use 1h weapons, which gives 15% extra crit chance along with the 14% that you already had for going down the precision tree. Put on your choice of damage gear, which typically gets your crit to 50-65%+ along with that 15% for 1h weapons, now you are at a potential 80%.

If anything the fury change may allow guards to build away from precision, but I don’t think it is enough still…..time will tell though, and we will see what happens to the meta, but that is my analysis.

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all you absolutely wrong and LOL if you think scepter is anywhat viable at the top level as a dps guardian. …………
And you are the example of why dps guardians haven’t gotten love they need. People like you consistenly are blinded by something and think we are absolutley fine and that you know everything there is to know. Don’t even play it at a high level to know what is viable, and have the nerve to say just use “scepter and you will be fine.” That is a good one lol. I am not trying to come off arrogant or anything. I just want anet to stop being so relaxed when it comes to guardians being dps. If no top tier dps guardian complains and everyone else speaks for them like they did on the last state of the game(when there was no guardian present), stating guardians are fine, ofc Anet is going to overlook it. Its about time one of us actually says something because I am tired of it.

think whatever you want.

Scepter is a very solid weapon even in high level tPvP as long as you have 3.2k+ power, perma fury and that very good-almost istant-immo which is ethereal chain.

Sad story is that there are no more team left even here in EU so no one will experiment ( and even if somethign will be successful, they’ll bash it because "there’s no competition so you can run whatever you want " ).

They said wars were not viable, in NA Zone was still complaining about " not being sure if wars were fine or not" after all the buffs just to see wars roflstomping everything 1 month later ( and pax tournament right after).

You want to play with sword becase “ZEALOUT’S DEFENSE BUUUUUURST HAAAARD” altough standing still and not moving while your opponent simply walks away ( and then of course you complian you have no movement impairment CCs) while you could have used Scepter till you close the range for the immo, then unleash the whole burst combo with the GS.

You want to keep the sword because it has the most damaging AA chain in guardian set up without caring that you do not have anything to stick your target to ( and complain you have no movement impairment CCs) instead of bringing a reliable source of damage like scepter, also having ( again) that good immo you so badly desire.

Again, a 30 zeal point build, with perma fury on, will let your orb of wrath hit up to 2K DAMAGE per orb on squishies.

You have the build, you can play it. Of course you need to make trade offs ( in this case, radiance blinds), but the goods outweight the bads BY FAR.

Again, i say DPS guards will be the meta soon.

you can think wahtever you want, we’ll see in the near future who will be right .

You obviously are an idiot and cannot read. I never said that dps guardian wouldn’t be the meta one day and I obviously like dps guard thats why I want to help it. You on the other hand are too much of an idiot and don’t even know what its like to play at high level tPvP to see what is ineffective. You think scepter is effective lol. I would love to play your team if your playing dps guard with scepter because you would get smashed my friend and be utterly useless because dodging the orbs is fairly easy even if you are not focusing on doing so. When anyone refers to being dps, they bring the most effective weapon that allows them to have dps and sustain. The autoattack, blind(giving invuln) + burst make sword a hands down winner when it comes to dps. You are in another world if you honestly even remotley think scepter is in any shape or form of being considered great dps in tPvP. I am not talkin about the bad players who stand and get hit by killshots, and dodge randomly. Until you even compete at this level you are not even worth talkin to with the kind of remarks you are making claiming a useless weapon is useful.

And for the love of god I also said that I am not saying we suck or are useless, I am trying to help improve our dps spec because no one else has spoken up about we need exactly. Anet apparently only thought we needed fury which is a joke. You keep sitting over there thinking your scepter is great and I guarantee I will never see you competing at a top level with that laughable dps weapon.

CMF.5461:

MrBig, do you even play a guardian?

You should try it out before making a lot of claims. I avoid making claims about other classes unless I have first hand experience with them. Otherwise I am just blowing hot air with no real substance.

The scepter immobilize is called chains of light (not ethereal chains), smite splits damage between multiple targets within it, and does not land all 15 hits, making the effective damage of it much lower, and the auto attack orb of wrath can be outrun and strafed, making it easily avoided.

the BEST reason to bring scepter is for team play honestly. Immobilizing a target for your team mates to set up burst can be devastating.

We have videos of people out running their own orb of light because of how slow it is.
There was a post by devs months ago saying they would look into it and agreed that orb of light was broken, but there hasn’t been a fix, even with other professions getting projectile speed increases.

The fury on meditations was not really an amazing fix for guardians. If you are going down meditations anyway, a lot of guards build into radiance and use 1h weapons, which gives 15% extra crit chance along with the 14% that you already had for going down the precision tree. Put on your choice of damage gear, which typically gets your crit to 50-65%+ along with that 15% for 1h weapons, now you are at a potential 80%.

If anything the fury change may allow guards to build away from precision, but I don’t think it is enough still…..time will tell though, and we will see what happens to the meta, but that is my analysis.

Orb of wrath can be slow, but it’s not the point.

You have the immo, that’s what you need.

there’s no need to bring the sword if youa lready have GS ( which IS A MUST if you want to be impactful in teamfights) since the damage is about the same ( AA wise) and you also gain a good strong CC and an AoE field giving reta.

You can immo to set up your burst with the CC, symbol and whirling wrath while your opponent won’t be able to dodge.

Sword overlaps with GS on the damage department ( the teleport is not enough if your opponent has the tools to kite you) so there’s no need to bring it.

Fury overlaps with radiance, so that if you have perma-fury, with no precision trait investment, you end up with 55% crit anyway ( more than enough for DD build).

Again, it seems guardians like to complain when there’s no need to. It seems you can’t understand how impactful can be meditation’s changes now that you can stack up damage traits in zeal.

Here is your 2k damage on squishies setup with scepter.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQFAbEBhTEWPAAA8X1j4pPAcVgiA-TkAg0CnIQShkDJDSSksINKA

If you land a crit, and the target is burning with about 2000 armor, you have the potential to hit for 2079 damage about 51% of the time.

Scepter base damage, 939
33% crit damage bonus (183% crit damage with base included)
10% from burning
10% from condition on target

939 * 1.83 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 2079.2277

Now, experienced guardians, morph that build into something that can actually be effective and survive to do that damage and we can talk.

taking your point on stacking damage in zeal and dropping out of radiance

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQFAbEBhTEWFAQ1j4pPAc9giRshA-TkAg0CnIQShkDJDSSksINKA

same damage, but varying crit chance.

with fury up you have a 62% chance to crit, without you have 42% chance. (had to take toughness to precision trait, so meditations are a little slower, can swap that out and drop crit down a little lower to 39% and 59% without/with fury).

Great, it looks the same, with now some fluctuating crit chance. We did gain some survival on meditations heal though.

So again, time will tell. I’m not saying the fury/meditation change isn’t nice, but I am not sure yet if it is what the guardians were needing as a fix.

CMF.5461:

Here is your 2k damage on squishies setup with scepter.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQFAbEBhTEWPAAA8X1j4pPAcVgiA-TkAg0CnIQShkDJDSSksINKA

If you land a crit, and the target is burning with about 2000 armor, you have the potential to hit for 2079 damage about 51% of the time.

Scepter base damage, 939
33% crit damage bonus (183% crit damage with base included)
10% from burning
10% from condition on target

939 * 1.83 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 2079.2277

Now, experienced guardians, morph that build into something that can actually be effective and survive to do that damage and we can talk.

I’ve already told you my build.

30-0-30-10-0 with rune of rage and triple meditation

Scepter-focus + gs

enjoy.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNArdRlUgaDXGSOEf4ER1j4pv7hVQjXPoYEbIA-TsAg0CnIUSpkTJjSSlsKNgYZx0CA

You build is doing a potential of 1725 damage on a target with 2000 armor about 58% of the time (fury included) while auto attacking with orb.

I do not feel orb auto attack is that amazing, Smite has tons of potential but some flaws in the “bolt” type system that misses targets, and easy to run out of.

Immobilize will help set up some of that burst with smite, but fairly long cooldown for a fight that relies on get it dead or I’m in trouble.

Guardians do not really have the same kind of burst that I feel they need, not that I think they are worthless, just I see a lot of potential that isn’t there just yet.

Factoring in full bloodlust stacks, you can do 1929 damage, for the sake of clarifying your previous statement of 2k damage on squishies.

Also, I feel your larger symbols could be something else. Your only symbol is on the greatsword, and when you drop to 25% life.

Maybe put it in justice is blind for a blind stop or more survival or in inspired virtues for some on demand might/regen/protection? That or some other trait in honor.

CMF.5461:

You build is doing a potential of 1725 damage on a target with 2000 armor about 58% of the time (fury included) while auto attacking with orb.

I do not feel orb auto attack is that amazing, Smite has tons of potential but some flaws in the “bolt” type system that misses targets, and easy to run out of.

Immobilize will help set up some of that burst with smite, but fairly long cooldown for a fight that relies on get it dead or I’m in trouble.

Guardians do not really have the same kind of burst that I feel they need, not that I think they are worthless, just I see a lot of potential that isn’t there just yet.

You have the strongest DPS in the game along with power necros, with the only difference that guard dps is more reliable, on lower CDs, with added benefits ( AoE boons, AoE hard CCs) while necro’s one is tied to its wells and range ( after its buff, life blast can hit up to 6 k on squishies, and can pierce).

Again, dps guards are fine, and once in combat, on “close” range ( 600-800) avoiding scepter orbs is much, MUCH difficult.

A single chain-smite-judge + burst combo will 1 shot an engi even if he does stunbreak.

The only way to avoid guard damage is to dodge the pull ( which can be made harder by judge’s and chain) or to have a teleport, something not available to all classes.

And even those classes will be stuck in the AoEs sooner or later.

Again, this is my call, dps guards will be meta soon.

Edit to your edit:

10 in honor are for the perma-vigor. Larger symbols is very impactful in teamfights, bt it’s just a bonus.

better dodging more than a blind eevry 30 secs

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

There was a DPS guardian in the last MLG tournament, and I have been watching StunningStyles clean up in tPvP with his dps guardian quite well. He runs Staff/GS, I believe, and the burst damage is crazy, and does have great zone-control with line of warding as well as decent team-support. You also can get some crazy might-stacks with Empower before swapping to your GS to burst. The combination of pull (on the #5 skill) with the spin2win is nasty.

Currently GS guardian outclasses ele in its best role of dps-teamfighter with cmc’s build. They burst just as hard, support their team just as much (or more), and survive much better.

The reason guardian hasn’t seen many balance updates is because Anet spent a LOT of time on them early on and put them in a great place in almost levels. Little tweaks you see only make you even better.

lol so you want to be the toughest class and be able to dps -_- then why not roll a warrior for dps. thats what i did. i dont QQ in forums, i understand that a guardian must be different from a warrior or else what’s the point of making different class who does the same.

Ezrael.6859:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

bullkitten.

My main is a thief and i know i would NEVER even touch this build.

With this build you can wreck wars in the face ridicolously as long as you can “foretell” eventual skull cracks or dodge hammer burst.

DPS guardians have been the anti-thief class from the start of the game, don’t say things you have no idea about.

I really appreciate stunningstyles and he has been getting a ton of attention lately, especially with being highlighted in recent tournies, but I do not really consider him a “dps” build.

He is more of a team fight build oriented on support (not bunkering). His whirling wraths do something like 2k damage, that is like 200 damage a hit. Not really huge bursty dps per say.

His build is great because of the group condition cleanses, stability, and retaliation. As is mentioned earlier in the strengths of a guardian. Additionally he uses staff to help his team fights win with extra might.

Some links to his videos:

build video (in comments):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4b-zaMCJo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTR1RaHwL3UEx4DB6SzoiBQ

tpvp break down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvKXjyI5ODY

He may have changed the build up a bit, but this is what he used when he came on the scene about 3 or so months ago.

CMF.5461:

I really appreciate stunningstyles and he has been getting a ton of attention lately, especially with being highlighted in recent tournies, but I do not really consider him a “dps” build.

He is more of a team fight build oriented on support (not bunkering). His whirling wraths do something like 2k damage, that is like 200 damage a hit. Not really huge bursty dps per say.

His build is great because of the group condition cleanses, stability, and retaliation. As is mentioned earlier in the strengths of a guardian. Additionally he uses staff to help his team fights win with extra might.

Some links to his videos:

build video (in comments):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP4b-zaMCJo&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTR1RaHwL3UEx4DB6SzoiBQ

tpvp break down:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvKXjyI5ODY

He may have changed the build up a bit, but this is what he used when he came on the scene about 3 or so months ago.

CMF you should get a trophy because you truly understand lol. Stunning styles isnt dps at all. I consider him a hybrid with retal helping him a lot cuz of might stacks + condie cleanse for the team with stability.

Mrbig.8019:

Ezrael.6859:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

bullkitten.

My main is a thief and i know i would NEVER even touch this build.

With this build you can wreck wars in the face ridicolously as long as you can “foretell” eventual skull cracks or dodge hammer burst.

DPS guardians have been the anti-thief class from the start of the game, don’t say things you have no idea about.

I dare you to duel caed with scepter and see how far u get.

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

Ezrael.6859:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

bullkitten.

My main is a thief and i know i would NEVER even touch this build.

With this build you can wreck wars in the face ridicolously as long as you can “foretell” eventual skull cracks or dodge hammer burst.

DPS guardians have been the anti-thief class from the start of the game, don’t say things you have no idea about.

I dare you to duel caed with scepter and see how far u get.

Now pls tell me you don’t win against thieves with your dps build.

And i’m sure it’s all thanks to the MH sword.

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

Ezrael.6859:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

bullkitten.

My main is a thief and i know i would NEVER even touch this build.

With this build you can wreck wars in the face ridicolously as long as you can “foretell” eventual skull cracks or dodge hammer burst.

DPS guardians have been the anti-thief class from the start of the game, don’t say things you have no idea about.

I dare you to duel caed with scepter and see how far u get.

Now pls tell me you don’t win against thieves with your dps build.

And i’m sure it’s all thanks to the MH sword.

Lol you and making assumptions lmao. All I said is you are claiming to never lose to a thief with your scepter build. LOL if you duel Caed/Cruuk/Jumper with a scepter you would get trashed. Dueling a good thief is not about cc lmao

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

Ezrael.6859:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

bullkitten.

My main is a thief and i know i would NEVER even touch this build.

With this build you can wreck wars in the face ridicolously as long as you can “foretell” eventual skull cracks or dodge hammer burst.

DPS guardians have been the anti-thief class from the start of the game, don’t say things you have no idea about.

I dare you to duel caed with scepter and see how far u get.

Now pls tell me you don’t win against thieves with your dps build.

And i’m sure it’s all thanks to the MH sword.

Lol you and making assumptions lmao. All I said is you are claiming to never lose to a thief with your scepter build. LOL if you duel Caed/Cruuk/Jumper with a scepter you would get trashed. Dueling a good thief is not about cc lmao

i never claimed anything.

Think whatever you want, bringing both GS and sword is redundant. Fury on meditations and points spent in radiance are redundant.

You can drop sword and pick up scepter without losing anything.

Scepter is not the weapon you spend the most time with neither were the damage is and i never said it.

the one making assumptions is you, i’m just stating obvious facts that a top player like you should understand way before me, a silly peon.

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

Ezrael.6859:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

bullkitten.

My main is a thief and i know i would NEVER even touch this build.

With this build you can wreck wars in the face ridicolously as long as you can “foretell” eventual skull cracks or dodge hammer burst.

DPS guardians have been the anti-thief class from the start of the game, don’t say things you have no idea about.

I dare you to duel caed with scepter and see how far u get.

Now pls tell me you don’t win against thieves with your dps build.

And i’m sure it’s all thanks to the MH sword.

Lol you and making assumptions lmao. All I said is you are claiming to never lose to a thief with your scepter build. LOL if you duel Caed/Cruuk/Jumper with a scepter you would get trashed. Dueling a good thief is not about cc lmao

i never claimed anything.

Think whatever you want, bringing both GS and sword is redundant. Fury on meditations and points spent in radiance are redundant.

You can drop sword and pick up scepter without losing anything.

Scepter is not the weapon you spend the most time with neither were the damage is and i never said it.

the one making assumptions is you, i’m just stating obvious facts that a top player like you should understand way before than me, a silly peon.

Lol you my friend are the jokster. I know the obvious facts that you think arent obvious to me. But you are making a claim that is so false its not even funny. Scepter > sword in tpvp? Are we talkin about dps guard or bunker/support? If you are talkin about dps guard lol….you need to take a timeout lol. To actually be a dps guard and not be mediocore and useless lol scepter shouldnt even be considered.

lilz shorty.1879:

Lol you my friend are the jokster. I know the obvious facts that you think arent obvious to me. But you are making a claim that is so false its not even funny. Scepter > sword in tpvp? Are we talkin about dps guard or bunker/support? If you are talkin about dps guard lol….you need to take a timeout lol. To actually be a dps guard and not be mediocore and useless lol scepter shouldnt even be considered.

Would pls explain me WHY you bring sword ?

For the teleport ?

because the AA chain is the most damaging one ?

because zealot’s defense is a good burst ?

What is the point in bringing sword if you can’t stick up to your target, since NONE of these skills negate your opponents ability to kite you ?

GS AA chain is not so far off from sword ( especially since it scales better with power and in zeal you can pick up the trait with increased GS damage) so taking sword is redundant if you already have GS ( and you NEED GS anyway).

Scepter is a decent range option dealing good damage which ALSO gives you the tool to land efficiently your burst without any help from meditations.

I don’t understand why you can’t get that currently, with fury on meditations, you have no need to spec into radiance, so making 1h weapons dispensable, even more since Sword doesn’t offer any tangent benefit.

Pls explain it to me, common peon.

:( we need to evolve this conversation past name calling and arguments and be more constructive.

CMF.5461:

:( we need to evolve this conversation past name calling and arguments and be more constructive.

I’m trying, but our “top player” just doesn’t want.

He’s too focused on ITS idea of how dps guardians should be played, complaining about " not having soft CCs" while going in combat without swiftness and without any way to stick up to its target ( since he plays sword-focus + gs), neither having any range option due to playing with a full melee set with horrible mobility.

Mrbig.8019:

CMF.5461:

:( we need to evolve this conversation past name calling and arguments and be more constructive.

I’m trying, but our “top player” just don’t want.

He’s too focused on ITS idea of how dps guardians should be played, complaining about " not having soft CCs" while going in combat without swiftness and without any way to stick up to its target ( since he plays sword-focus + gs), neither having any range option due to playing with a full melee set with horrible mobility.

Lol my friend do want to go back and read how you responded to me to begin with. I suggest you do that. I agree with CMF we should yet you Mr.Big thinks that what he runs is somewhat effective when its not even mediocre. And yes the reason I run those weapons because its our our only set that can be considered dps in tPvP. Lol swiftness < chill/cripple as a melee. Idk what you are talkin about. Btw if you have any ounce of comprehension skills, I said many times im mainly bring up the issues with guard not complaining I can’t stay on a target myself. Lol my friend learn to read.

I do see your point that gs and sword can be redundant, and sword does not bring a whole lot to the table that can’t be augmented by other weapons.

I think the reason why a lot of people like that combination is the readily available gap closer when we are admittedly easy to kite.

Also, the layer of blinds help survival to a degree as well. So sword/gs is still useful, but maybe not optimal in terms of damage?

Your point of pulling away from radiance and 1h strength is a valid one, and will allow for more freedom of stat distribution, and zeal already has gs as well as scepter, so it is a logical choice.

Still, there are problems with scepter, and most find zeal lackluster in terms of effectiveness versus traiting into other trees. Hence the disagreements.

Just kind of devil’s advocate is all.

CMF.5461:

I do see your point that gs and sword can be redundant, and sword does not bring a whole lot to the table that can’t be augmented by other weapons.

I think the reason why a lot of people like that combination is the readily available gap closer when we are admittedly easy to kite.

Also, the layer of blinds help survival to a degree as well. So sword/gs is still useful, but maybe not optimal in terms of damage?

Your point of pulling away from radiance and 1h strength is a valid one, and will allow for more freedom of stat distribution, and zeal already has gs as well as scepter, so it is a logical choice.

Still, there are problems with scepter, and most find zeal lackluster in terms of effectiveness versus traiting into other trees. Hence the disagreements.

Just kind of devil’s advocate is all.

The blind alone for gap closers for getting onto a point before its nueted/chasing a target/getting ontop of a cliff or onto mid at khylo/ etc…… + invulnerbailty from blinds and stomping + the auto attack + the burst for single target is why it outshines scepter in every form. Scepter cannot do anything clutch at all.

Also not once have I ever used 30 in radiance because rhs is not needed and never was.

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

CMF.5461:

:( we need to evolve this conversation past name calling and arguments and be more constructive.

I’m trying, but our “top player” just don’t want.

He’s too focused on ITS idea of how dps guardians should be played, complaining about " not having soft CCs" while going in combat without swiftness and without any way to stick up to its target ( since he plays sword-focus + gs), neither having any range option due to playing with a full melee set with horrible mobility.

Lol my friend do want to go back and read how you responded to me to begin with. I suggest you do that. I agree with CMF we should yet you Mr.Big thinks that what he runs is somewhat effective when its not even mediocre. And yes the reason I run those weapons because its our our only set that can be considered dps in tPvP. Lol swiftness < chill/cripple as a melee. Idk what you are talkin about. Btw if you have any ounce of comprehension skills, I said many times im mainly bring up the issues with guard not complaining I can’t stay on a target myself. Lol my friend learn to read.

Regarding the bolded part and my “reading comprehension” ….

Anyone who is a decent player knows how easy it is to just avoid our burst and kite it, by just strafing. Judges does not solve that problem at. It helps us land 25-50% of our burst unless the target just dodges(randomly or not), phase retreats, etc….Therefore we waste 2 skills that have a quite a cd. That would be fine if we had more immobalizes and didn’t always get kited. But since we are melee, our main dps weapons, sword and greatsword, can be so easily kited without any immobilizes, cripple, chills, etc…WE ARE THE ONLY MELEE CLASS WITHOUT SUCH A THING.

Again, you’re gimping yourself with your build.

i’m giving you a honest and good advice, it’s up to you and to your arrogance to listen to me or not.

Think whatever you want, my dear “top” player.

I’ll see you again in the next tournament ( if it’s ever going to be another one), where “random dps guard” with my build will smash you NA pros.

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

CMF.5461:

:( we need to evolve this conversation past name calling and arguments and be more constructive.

I’m trying, but our “top player” just don’t want.

He’s too focused on ITS idea of how dps guardians should be played, complaining about " not having soft CCs" while going in combat without swiftness and without any way to stick up to its target ( since he plays sword-focus + gs), neither having any range option due to playing with a full melee set with horrible mobility.

Lol my friend do want to go back and read how you responded to me to begin with. I suggest you do that. I agree with CMF we should yet you Mr.Big thinks that what he runs is somewhat effective when its not even mediocre. And yes the reason I run those weapons because its our our only set that can be considered dps in tPvP. Lol swiftness < chill/cripple as a melee. Idk what you are talkin about. Btw if you have any ounce of comprehension skills, I said many times im mainly bring up the issues with guard not complaining I can’t stay on a target myself. Lol my friend learn to read.

Regarding the bolded part and my “reading comprehension” ….

Anyone who is a decent player knows how easy it is to just avoid our burst and kite it, by just strafing. Judges does not solve that problem at. It helps us land 25-50% of our burst unless the target just dodges(randomly or not), phase retreats, etc….Therefore we waste 2 skills that have a quite a cd. That would be fine if we had more immobalizes and didn’t always get kited. But since we are melee, our main dps weapons, sword and greatsword, can be so easily kited without any immobilizes, cripple, chills, etc…WE ARE THE ONLY MELEE CLASS WITHOUT SUCH A THING.

Again, you’re gimping yourself with your build.

i’m giving you a honest and good advice, it’s up to you and to your arrogance to listen to me or not.

Think whatever you want, my dear “top” player.

I’ll see you again in the next tournament ( if it’s ever going to be another one), where “random dps guard” with my build will smash you NA pros.

Lol I am not putting myself over anyone. I am saying that I have tested everything there is about dps guard at the top level and your build is not up to par at all. You will many dps guards either in these tournaments because most aren’t that great anyway especially in sPvP. I take advice quite well but only when that person doesn’t bash someone elses stuff when I clearly have been doing this longer than any dps guard for spvp. I don’t mean to come off arrogant but there is a difference considering I have been doing this for longer than anyone, and been the only one sufficient at making a zerker guard work after kaypud left. And I am not saying yours doesn’t work at all but at a high level it does not and I am trying to open ANETS eyes too see what really needs to improve if they want to improve our dps specs.

CMF.5461:

I do see your point that gs and sword can be redundant, and sword does not bring a whole lot to the table that can’t be augmented by other weapons.

I think the reason why a lot of people like that combination is the readily available gap closer when we are admittedly easy to kite.

Also, the layer of blinds help survival to a degree as well. So sword/gs is still useful, but maybe not optimal in terms of damage?

Your point of pulling away from radiance and 1h strength is a valid one, and will allow for more freedom of stat distribution, and zeal already has gs as well as scepter, so it is a logical choice.

Still, there are problems with scepter, and most find zeal lackluster in terms of effectiveness versus traiting into other trees. Hence the disagreements.

Just kind of devil’s advocate is all.

I’m of the opinion that Scepter is a melee weapon first, that so happens to be able to extend beyond melee range. When you look at it from that perspective, scepter is quite good. If you try to use it as a ranged weapon then problems start coming up.

In regards to zeal, its our worst trait line. I’m not sure why Mr.Big is using zeal over radiance. Zeal doesn’t have much to offer, besides scepter power and +10% dmg against burning targets (which most guardians get anyway). Outside of that, radiance is vastly superior. +10% dmg against targets with conditions, radiant fire, +5% dmg on swords, right handed strength.

The odds are grossly in radiance favor in regards to choices. And once more radiance offers more choices if you want to build outside of a 1h weapon. Zeal on the other hand has many traits which aren’t practical. Like I said though, if spirit weapons were better designed then zeal might actually be a good trait tree.

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Mrbig.8019:

CMF.5461:

:( we need to evolve this conversation past name calling and arguments and be more constructive.

I’m trying, but our “top player” just don’t want.

He’s too focused on ITS idea of how dps guardians should be played, complaining about " not having soft CCs" while going in combat without swiftness and without any way to stick up to its target ( since he plays sword-focus + gs), neither having any range option due to playing with a full melee set with horrible mobility.

Lol my friend do want to go back and read how you responded to me to begin with. I suggest you do that. I agree with CMF we should yet you Mr.Big thinks that what he runs is somewhat effective when its not even mediocre. And yes the reason I run those weapons because its our our only set that can be considered dps in tPvP. Lol swiftness < chill/cripple as a melee. Idk what you are talkin about. Btw if you have any ounce of comprehension skills, I said many times im mainly bring up the issues with guard not complaining I can’t stay on a target myself. Lol my friend learn to read.

Regarding the bolded part and my “reading comprehension” ….

Anyone who is a decent player knows how easy it is to just avoid our burst and kite it, by just strafing. Judges does not solve that problem at. It helps us land 25-50% of our burst unless the target just dodges(randomly or not), phase retreats, etc….Therefore we waste 2 skills that have a quite a cd. That would be fine if we had more immobalizes and didn’t always get kited. But since we are melee, our main dps weapons, sword and greatsword, can be so easily kited without any immobilizes, cripple, chills, etc…WE ARE THE ONLY MELEE CLASS WITHOUT SUCH A THING.

Again, you’re gimping yourself with your build.

i’m giving you a honest and good advice, it’s up to you and to your arrogance to listen to me or not.

Think whatever you want, my dear “top” player.

I’ll see you again in the next tournament ( if it’s ever going to be another one), where “random dps guard” with my build will smash you NA pros.

Lol I am not putting myself over anyone. I am saying that I have tested everything there is about dps guard at the top level and your build is not up to par at all. You will many dps guards either in these tournaments because most aren’t that great anyway especially in sPvP. I take advice quite well but only when that person doesn’t bash someone elses stuff when I clearly have been doing this longer than any dps guard for spvp. I don’t mean to come off arrogant but there is a difference considering I have been doing this for longer than anyone, and been the only one sufficient at making a zerker guard work after kaypud left. And I am not saying yours doesn’t work at all but at a high level it does not and I am trying to open ANETS eyes too see what really needs to improve if they want to improve our dps specs.

You said you tried everything.

Have you tried my build ?

Try it, just for the sake of arguing try it before bashing it.

Again they said THE SAME regarding warriors ( after the buffs) and we’re now, 4 months after, still in the same warrior meta.

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

Mrbig.8019:

Ezrael.6859:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

First of all I would like to point out that we have one build for dps. That is stupid considering anet’s always wants us to have options. Secondly, I never said dps guard wasn’t strong at all, we just need improvements because our consistency at a high level is not where it needs to be. Thirdly, FOR all of you saying im using the wrong weapons or that I
don’t know about dps guardian well enough, PLS don’t make me laugh. None of you even play at a high level in tPvP or are anywhere close to the same level as me when it comes to that. DO not bring that into this discussion because that was not the discussion to begin with.

Sword and gs are by far our most damage and to say im using the wrong weapons shows you yourself dont even know about dps guardian lol. I have been playing dps guardian at a high tPvP level longer than anyone besides kaypud and we have already had this conversation. What needs to happen is one of us needs to be brought onto sotg so we can speak directly with a dev. 90% of the traits/skills we have are absolutely useless for dps in tPvP. I would love to have the option of running more builds or a consistency when landing my burst without relying on a meditation to do so.

just swap the sword for the scepter in order to have a good ranged option.

I mean, c’mon.

You can say “i’m better than you” all the time you want ( i don’t want to start the EU vs NA crap again) but currently you now have the tools to deal ridicolous damage.

You have fury, so no more points in radiance. you can build for power ( zeal = more base power and more damage scaling traits like scpeter + 10% and GS + 5 %), you can build for perma vigor and larger symbols ( as great as the whole point) and scepter will give you range, good AoE and immo to land your burst.

If you really are a top player stop complaining because right now you have all the tools to play a DPS guard at high level.

This build with 15k hp and 2427 Armour gets absolutely destroyed by any decent Thief with blind or evade spam (every Thief has evade spam it’s built into this easy class) and a Warrior that gets close. It’s paper thin.

bullkitten.

My main is a thief and i know i would NEVER even touch this build.

With this build you can wreck wars in the face ridicolously as long as you can “foretell” eventual skull cracks or dodge hammer burst.

DPS guardians have been the anti-thief class from the start of the game, don’t say things you have no idea about.

Stealth or Shadowstep, never get hit by Scepter.

Blind field to avoid GS melee and wreck him using Dagger Pistol, Sword Dagger to evade melee while dealing damage, warp in and out with Infiltrator / Shadow Return.

I see Thieves ripping up the Scepter GS DPS Guardians on a daily basis on the King of the Hill 1v1 server.

I have no idea who you are but i have to completely disagree
Off guardian is in an awesome spot if played right..huge damage and decent survivability when supported correctly by his team (similar to necro)

My Team has been playing with an off guardian a lot lately and it works well
I don’t know where the problem is

lilz shorty.1879:

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

We will agree to disagree then.

No point continuing this discussion then.

Again, i say that DPS guards will be meta soon, believe me or not.

You’ve been full of hyperbole and whining since the GW2Guru forums during beta, so like usual I won’t believe you.

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

We will agree to disagree then.

No point continuing this discussion then.

Again, i say that DPS guards will be meta soon, believe me or not.

Dps guard is meta already

Sensotix.4106:

I have no idea who you are but i have to completely disagree
Off guardian is in an awesome spot if played right..huge damage and decent survivability when supported correctly by his team (similar to necro)

My Team has been playing with an off guardian a lot lately and it works well
I don’t know where the problem is

I never said once that it wasn’t good and said it was good but thats to an extent. I think when you can’t even admit your class has faults then there is a problem. And there is only 2 skills you can take next to judges effect at all. I suggest maybe you actually read the rest of the posts lol because I mentioned everything I just said multiple times.

lilz shorty.1879:

Sensotix.4106:

I have no idea who you are but i have to completely disagree
Off guardian is in an awesome spot if played right..huge damage and decent survivability when supported correctly by his team (similar to necro)

My Team has been playing with an off guardian a lot lately and it works well
I don’t know where the problem is

I never said once that it wasn’t good and said it was good but thats to an extent. I think when you can’t even admit your class has faults then there is a problem. And there is only 2 skills you can take next to judges effect at all. I suggest maybe you actually read the rest of the posts lol because I mentioned everything I just said multiple times.

Yea but if they are viable right now but hard to play with little possiblities why would we risk the same like anet did with necro buffing it a little too much..thats my fear atm
they are insanely strong with the right team comp and if you buff them even more that would make things fatal..even just giving them more opportunities would be a balance disaster

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

We will agree to disagree then.

No point continuing this discussion then.

Again, i say that DPS guards will be meta soon, believe me or not.

I agree and want it to be the meta one day but I honestly do not believe there are enough good guards capable of running the builds we have now well enough for it to be the meta. Because playing the specs we have now require a lot more than what makes classes the meta. Warrior class atm is braindead easy to play and so was necro for a bit. Those classes were the meta because of the ease required to play them and it made average players decent and the great players amazing. Dps guard is not on the level because it take a lot more to be effective. You have to play it like a thief at times.

Sensotix.4106:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

We will agree to disagree then.

No point continuing this discussion then.

Again, i say that DPS guards will be meta soon, believe me or not.

Dps guard is meta already

not even close to being remotely true

Sensotix.4106:

lilz shorty.1879:

Sensotix.4106:

I have no idea who you are but i have to completely disagree
Off guardian is in an awesome spot if played right..huge damage and decent survivability when supported correctly by his team (similar to necro)

My Team has been playing with an off guardian a lot lately and it works well
I don’t know where the problem is

I never said once that it wasn’t good and said it was good but thats to an extent. I think when you can’t even admit your class has faults then there is a problem. And there is only 2 skills you can take next to judges effect at all. I suggest maybe you actually read the rest of the posts lol because I mentioned everything I just said multiple times.

Yea but if they are viable right now but hard to play with little possiblities why would we risk the same like anet did with necro buffing it a little too much..thats my fear atm
they are insanely strong with the right team comp and if you buff them even more that would make things fatal..even just giving them more opportunities would be a balance disaster

All I am asking is more versatility in our builds and even if its just ONE cc that is reliable.

lilz shorty.1879:

Sensotix.4106:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

We will agree to disagree then.

No point continuing this discussion then.

Again, i say that DPS guards will be meta soon, believe me or not.

Dps guard is meta already

not even close to being remotely true

we are already running dps guard and winning almost everything and others are already trying it as well (EU)

Sensotix.4106:

lilz shorty.1879:

Sensotix.4106:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

We will agree to disagree then.

No point continuing this discussion then.

Again, i say that DPS guards will be meta soon, believe me or not.

Dps guard is meta already

not even close to being remotely true

we are already running dps guard and winning almost everything and others are already trying it as well (EU)

Ah well I stand corrected. I cannot speak for EU.

lilz shorty.1879:

Sensotix.4106:

lilz shorty.1879:

Sensotix.4106:

Mrbig.8019:

lilz shorty.1879:

Yes I have run that build lol. It was not nearly as good as the other ones I have used.

We will agree to disagree then.

No point continuing this discussion then.

Again, i say that DPS guards will be meta soon, believe me or not.

Dps guard is meta already

not even close to being remotely true

we are already running dps guard and winning almost everything and others are already trying it as well (EU)

Ah well I stand corrected. I cannot speak for EU.

sorry didn’t know u were na my bad

Show some footage then, your YouTube only has a Cleric bunker with a Hammer, Mace and Shield, Shout condi clear that’s been Guardian for the last year and a half in tourneys.

Lol, this conversation inspired me to go back and look at the guardian traits and weapons.

Ran across the description of scepter orb of wrath “Fires a slow-moving orb at your foe.”

That made me cry a little on the inside, it was purposefully made to be easy to avoid.

I haven’t logged in for the last month though, so I know the tooltips have been updated. Wonder if it still says “slow moving”.

Ezrael.6859:

Show some footage then, your YouTube only has a Cleric bunker with a Hammer, Mace and Shield, Shout condi clear that’s been Guardian for the last year and a half in tourneys.

yea may i present to you azshene the bunker guardian?
i can’t show you footage since our offguardian is not recording his games i am very sorry :/

CMF.5461:

Lol, this conversation inspired me to go back and look at the guardian traits and weapons.

Ran across the description of scepter orb of wrath “Fires a slow-moving orb at your foe.”

That made me cry a little on the inside, it was purposefully made to be easy to avoid.

I haven’t logged in for the last month though, so I know the tooltips have been updated. Wonder if it still says “slow moving”.

Its still the same.

And yes it was purposely made that way. Around the time when guardians were begging for scepter to be buffed a dev finally got back to them. I remember him saying (to paraphrase) scepter is the strongest ranged weapon in the game. So it has a cost to its strength.

Yeah I remember that statement, caused a stir at the time. But I also remember that same thread that people recorded how easy it was to outrun your own orbs and easily strafed by wiggle strafing left right to throw off targeting.

Meaning in a mobile fight with swiftness, your orbs will “never” hit as they run away from you.

In response to that they said that it it will see improvements, in a vague sort of way.

I’ll try to dig up the post in a sec, as this is all memory and I may be off.

lilz shorty.1879:

Anyone who is a decent player knows how easy it is to just avoid our burst and kite it, by just strafing. Judges does not solve that problem at. It helps us land 25-50% of our burst unless the target just dodges(randomly or not), phase retreats, etc….

And any decent player understand that all professions can miss by the other players kiting, dodging, strafing, phase retreat, etc.

What makes up in lack of control is replaced with anti-burst skills/defense/condi removal.